From gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com Wed Jul 4 00:47:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448EA21F87CB for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 00:47:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.213 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.213 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.036, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qSj1f3K2PcE9 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 00:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9480221F87CA for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 00:46:59 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7fc26d000005908-6c-4ff3f4fc772b Received: from esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 55.FD.22792.CF4F3FF4; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 09:47:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [131.160.36.52] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.91) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.264.0; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 09:47:08 +0200 Message-ID: <4FF3F4FB.5060804@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 10:47:07 +0300 From: Gonzalo Camarillo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: straw@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrDJMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvre6fL5/9DQ7OM7S41fyY1YHRY8mS n0wBjFFcNimpOZllqUX6dglcGUsubmQuyKr4cs+ygdGvi5GTQ0LAROLrxH4mCFtM4sK99Wxd jFwcQgKnGCU2PVvNCuGsYpRY9fQeG0gVr4C2xK5VfYwgNouAisTKnq/MIDabgIXEllv3WUBs UYFgiXndN1kg6gUlTs58AmaLCAhJ3FkwF8wWFuCVaPjTxwaxWVLiXvtqMJtZQE9iytUWRghb XmL72zlg84WA9i5/1sIygZF/FpKxs5C0zELSsoCReRWjcG5iZk56uaFealFmcnFxfp5eceom RmCIHdzyW3cH46lzIocYpTlYlMR5uZL2+wsJpCeWpGanphakFsUXleakFh9iZOLglGpgdDPn rp6y+ZL0NoGt7ulxpY7f+QJMzm+4WHu/bip3RmjApwcPma5eK7VXi3F66zl/ypT+vXuNKs+t 8JWZH5B1cI1xtYZRgtrW/Bfrzr8o75Cs/XYwbRmPlqX5UlY7821/09Vl9Liv3ej4Nl3AwER4 /4M1Mb9WVQVmSylMVDKtrMjS/b9hn/pLJZbijERDLeai4kQAzGj/gv8BAAA= Subject: [straw] TEST X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 07:47:01 -0000 Hi, this is a test message to check whether the list has been correctly set up. Cheers, Gonzalo From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Tue Jul 10 09:40:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC52A11E819D; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:40:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_102=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wGjHG6BIsRfC; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8BE11E80CE; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.30p3 Message-ID: <20120710164004.26978.81439.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:40:04 -0700 Cc: straw WG Subject: [straw] WG Action: Formed Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work (straw) X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:40:05 -0000 A new IETF working group has been formed in the Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area. For additional information please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work (straw) ------------------------------------------------ Current Status: Proposed Working Group Chairs: Christer Holmberg Victor Pascual Assigned Area Director: Gonzalo Camarillo Mailing list Address: straw@ietf.org To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/straw/ Charter of Working Group: Problem Statement: Within the context of the SIP protocol and architecture, a Back-to-Back User Agent (B2BUA) is any SIP device in the logical path between two User Agents performing a role beyond that of a Proxy as defined in RFC 3261. The B2BUA may be as simple as a session-stateful Proxy becoming a B2BUA in order to terminate dead sessions by generating BYEs; or it may be a 3PCC-style agent only modifying SDP; or it may be a Session Border Controller performing such functions as in RFC 5853; or it may be an Enterprise PBX terminating REFERs and such; or it may be a complete UAS and UAC implementation with a PRI (Primary Rate Interface) loopback in-between. In its most extreme form, the scope of the SIP protocol ends at the UAS of the B2BUA, and a new SIP protocol scope begins on its UAC side. In practice, however, users expect some SIP protocol aspects to go beyond the scope of the B2BUA's UAS side, and be traversed onto its UAC side, as if the B2BUA was not an end unto itself; this is similar to the expectation that emails work when they cross from POP and IMAP to/from SMTP. It is impossible to normatively define all the behaviors of B2BUAs in general, or even subsets of them such as SBCs (Session Border Controlers)or PBXs (Private Branch Exchanges). Unlike consumer NATs, B2BUAs perform widely varying functions for purposes which may be unique to their environment, unique to their architecture, or unique to the wishes of their administrator. Instead of defining all things a given type of B2BUA must do, a more practical objective would be to define what very few things any B2BUA must do to make a specific SIP mechanism work, and let the market decide whether to do those things. The name of this working group reflects that practical objective: if there were a thin straw between the SIP UAS and UAC of a B2BUA, what must be passed through that straw and used on each side. Or viewed another way, if a B2BUA were in fact a UAS and UAC connected with a PRI loopback circuit, and if we could extend ISDN, what information would we carry in ISDN across the PRI for a specific SIP mechanism to work end-to-end. For example, the WG could produce a document which specifies that the Max-Forwards header field value should be copied and decremented across the B2BUA, if the B2BUA wishes to prevent infinite loops. Administrators could then tell their B2BUA vendors to comply with the document, if the administrator so wishes. Objectives: The objectives of the STRAW Working Group are to publish normative documents which define which SIP header fields, parameters, MIME bodies, body content fields/information, or media-plane characteristics are required to traverse between the User Agent "sides" of a B2BUA for specific functions to work. The specific functions covered are expected to relate to already-published RFCs or existing RAI area work, as opposed to all future IETF work. In other words, the Working Group is not meant to be a never-ending source for B2BUA requirements in the RAI area. Deliverables would indicate which types of B2BUAs would apply or not. For example, a document defining the requirements for end-to-end DTLS-SRTP would not apply to B2BUAs which terminate media, such as transcoders or recorders. Milestones: Dec 2012 - A taxonomy document defining role-types of B2BUAs, as a reference for other deliverables submitted to the IESG as Informational Apr 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs with respect to loop detection/prevention submitted to the IESG as PS Aug 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support end-to-end and hop-by-hop media-loopback test calls submitted to the IESG as PS Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support DTLS-SRTP (RFC 5764) end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support STUN message transactions end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support RTCP end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS From mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com Tue Jul 10 15:49:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B4911E8143 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:49:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.239 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.239 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.241, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_102=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e5sbwGvbNI-W for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20B611E8138 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbwc20 with SMTP id wc20so597531obb.31 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:49:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pMa1sw2RlrJbcAp/CAYCPsKGh/1zqE398QPtkZMb5iw=; b=PaOKYrsMxoP2IwgQ4S3FIjhEK69GBf17pAq1oTC4bMUkzFGuexS7bCj8yoo4+MJRWk 7Lq3Gsar8fU4R+qt84mEXBt/j4zjz5eTUWfpa1WtBXChESIJkU5b0HvqWwM6+KXoLDQ5 6WNCdTiQvNt7khu650k+4MeoYVm57hT/JGPuuNMoh1D1vfvJRum5wJuvvQ3GlFs20o+f f8l3BNGb49iqNEzolX18M3bLpDIx54NFNEXUZzR9iAsdEbd3kmb3CPjkIKSx+iEmJjZM qW6Ul+PayKvLNWEj96lQw1PC439FPkihMubib8Qy5AtPISI1hhb9ZSXK1vl7q+vhZnf7 yUjw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.72.9 with SMTP id z9mr43184170obu.5.1341960581222; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.147.1 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:49:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FFC8C27.3000502@ericsson.com> References: <20120626162244.16515.97970.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4FF54B23.4040601@ericsson.com> <4FFC8C27.3000502@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:49:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mary Barnes To: straw@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04462fbcbf0f4f04c4818baa Subject: [straw] WG Review: Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work (straw) X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:49:17 -0000 --f46d04462fbcbf0f4f04c4818baa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gonzalo Camarillo Date: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [dispatch] Fwd: [new-work] WG Review: Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work (straw) To: "dispatch@ietf.org" Hi, the STRAW WG has just been chartered: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/straw/charter/ Cheers, Gonzalo On 05/07/2012 11:06 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: > Folks, > > the IESG will discuss the chartering of this new WG this evening. In the > mean time, you may want to subscribe to the newly created mailing list > for the WG. > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw > > Cheers, > > Gonzalo > > On 26/06/2012 8:06 PM, Victor Pascual Avila wrote: >> FYI >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: IESG Secretary >> Date: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM >> Subject: [new-work] WG Review: Sip Traversal Required for Applications >> to Work (straw) >> To: new-work@ietf.org >> >> >> A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Real-time Applications >> and Infrastructure Area. The IESG has not made any determination yet. The >> following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informational >> purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg >> at ietf.org) by 2012-07-03. >> >> Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work (straw) >> ------------------------------------------------ >> Current Status: Proposed Working Group >> >> Assigned Area Director: >> Gonzalo Camarillo >> >> >> Charter of Working Group: >> >> Problem Statement: >> >> Within the context of the SIP protocol and architecture, a >> Back-to-Back User Agent (B2BUA) is any SIP device in the logical path >> between two User Agents performing a role beyond that of a Proxy as >> defined in RFC 3261. The B2BUA may be as simple as a session-stateful >> Proxy becoming a B2BUA in order to terminate dead sessions by >> generating BYEs; or it may be a 3PCC-style agent only modifying SDP; >> or it may be a Session Border Controller performing such functions as >> in RFC 5853; or it may be an Enterprise PBX terminating REFERs and >> such; or it may be a complete UAS and UAC implementation with a PRI >> (Primary Rate Interface) loopback in-between. >> >> In its most extreme form, the scope of the SIP protocol ends at the >> UAS of the B2BUA, and a new SIP protocol scope begins on its UAC side. >> In practice, however, users expect some SIP protocol aspects to go >> beyond the scope of the B2BUA's UAS side, and be traversed onto its >> UAC side, as if the B2BUA was not an end unto itself; this is similar >> to the expectation that emails work when they cross from POP and IMAP >> to/from SMTP. >> >> It is impossible to normatively define all the behaviors of B2BUAs in >> general, or even subsets of them such as SBCs (Session Border >> Controlers)or PBXs (Private Branch Exchanges). Unlike consumer NATs, >> B2BUAs perform widely varying functions for purposes which may be >> unique to their environment, unique to their architecture, or unique >> to the wishes of their administrator. Instead of defining all things >> a given type of B2BUA must do, a more practical objective would be to >> define what very few things any B2BUA must do to make a specific SIP >> mechanism work, and let the market decide whether to do those things. >> >> The name of this working group reflects that practical objective: if >> there were a thin straw between the SIP UAS and UAC of a B2BUA, what >> must be passed through that straw and used on each side. Or viewed >> another way, if a B2BUA were in fact a UAS and UAC connected with a >> PRI loopback circuit, and if we could extend ISDN, what information >> would we carry in ISDN across the PRI for a specific SIP mechanism to >> work end-to-end. >> >> For example, the WG could produce a document which specifies that the >> Max-Forwards header field value should be copied and decremented >> across the B2BUA, if the B2BUA wishes to prevent infinite >> loops. Administrators could then tell their B2BUA vendors to comply >> with the document, if the administrator so wishes. >> >> >> Objectives: >> >> The objectives of the STRAW Working Group are to publish normative >> documents which define which SIP header fields, parameters, MIME >> bodies, body content fields/information, or media-plane >> characteristics are required to traverse between the User Agent >> "sides" of a B2BUA for specific functions to work. >> >> The specific functions covered are expected to relate to >> already-published RFCs or existing RAI area work, as opposed to all >> future IETF work. In other words, the Working Group is not meant to >> be a never-ending source for B2BUA requirements in the RAI area. >> >> Deliverables would indicate which types of B2BUAs would apply or not. >> For example, a document defining the requirements for end-to-end >> DTLS-SRTP would not apply to B2BUAs which terminate media, such as >> transcoders or recorders. >> >> Milestones: >> Dec 2012 - A taxonomy document defining role-types of B2BUAs, as a >> reference for other deliverables submitted to the IESG as Informational >> Apr 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs with respect >> to loop detection/prevention submitted to the IESG as PS >> Aug 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support >> end-to-end and hop-by-hop media-loopback test calls submitted to the IESG >> as PS >> Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support >> DTLS-SRTP (RFC 5764) end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS >> Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support >> STUN message transactions end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS >> Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support >> RTCP end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> new-work mailing list >> new-work@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/new-work >> _______________________________________________ >> dispatch mailing list >> dispatch@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > > _______________________________________________ dispatch mailing list dispatch@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch --f46d04462fbcbf0f4f04c4818baa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

---------- Forwarded message ----------<= br>From: Gonzalo Camarillo <Gonzalo.Camarillo= @ericsson.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [dispatch] Fwd: [new-wor= k] WG Review: Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work (straw)
To= : "dispatch@ietf.org" &l= t;dispatch@ietf.org>


Hi,

the STRAW WG has just been chartered:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/straw/charter/

Cheers,

Gonzalo

On 05/07/2012 11:06 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
> Folks,
>
> the IESG will discuss the chartering of this new WG this evening. In t= he
> mean time, you may want to subscribe to the newly created mailing list=
> for the WG.
>
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gonzalo
>
> On 26/06/2012 8:06 PM, Victor Pascual Avila wrote:
>> FYI
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@ietf.org>
>> Date: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM
>> Subject: [new-work] WG Review: Sip Traversal Required for Applicat= ions
>> to Work (straw)
>> To: new-work@ietf.org
>>
>>
>> A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Real-time Applic= ations
>> and Infrastructure Area. The IESG has not made any determination y= et. The
>> following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informa= tional
>> purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list = (iesg
>> at ietf.org) by = 2012-07-03.
>>
>> Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work (straw)
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> Current Status: Proposed Working Group
>>
>> Assigned Area Director:
>> =A0Gonzalo Camarillo <gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com>
>>
>>
>> Charter of Working Group:
>>
>> Problem Statement:
>>
>> Within the context of the SIP protocol and architecture, a
>> Back-to-Back User Agent (B2BUA) is any SIP device in the logical p= ath
>> between two User Agents performing a role beyond that of a Proxy a= s
>> defined in RFC 3261. =A0The B2BUA may be as simple as a session-st= ateful
>> Proxy becoming a B2BUA in order to terminate dead sessions by
>> generating BYEs; or it may be a 3PCC-style agent only modifying SD= P;
>> or it may be a Session Border Controller performing such functions= as
>> in RFC 5853; or it may be an Enterprise PBX terminating REFERs and=
>> such; or it may be a complete UAS and UAC implementation with a PR= I
>> (Primary Rate Interface) loopback in-between.
>>
>> In its most extreme form, the scope of the SIP protocol ends at th= e
>> UAS of the B2BUA, and a new SIP protocol scope begins on its UAC s= ide.
>> In practice, however, users expect some SIP protocol aspects to go=
>> beyond the scope of the B2BUA's UAS side, and be traversed ont= o its
>> UAC side, as if the B2BUA was not an end unto itself; this is simi= lar
>> to the expectation that emails work when they cross from POP and I= MAP
>> to/from SMTP.
>>
>> It is impossible to normatively define all the behaviors of B2BUAs= in
>> general, or even subsets of them such as SBCs (Session Border
>> Controlers)or PBXs (Private Branch Exchanges). Unlike consumer NAT= s,
>> B2BUAs perform widely varying functions for purposes which may be<= br> >> unique to their environment, unique to their architecture, or uniq= ue
>> to the wishes of their administrator. =A0Instead of defining all t= hings
>> a given type of B2BUA must do, a more practical objective would be= to
>> define what very few things any B2BUA must do to make a specific S= IP
>> mechanism work, and let the market decide whether to do those thin= gs.
>>
>> The name of this working group reflects that practical objective: = if
>> there were a thin straw between the SIP UAS and UAC of a B2BUA, wh= at
>> must be passed through that straw and used on each side. =A0Or vie= wed
>> another way, if a B2BUA were in fact a UAS and UAC connected with = a
>> PRI loopback circuit, and if we could extend ISDN, what informatio= n
>> would we carry in ISDN across the PRI for a specific SIP mechanism= to
>> work end-to-end.
>>
>> For example, the WG could produce a document which specifies that = the
>> Max-Forwards header field value should be copied and decremented >> across the B2BUA, if the B2BUA wishes to prevent infinite
>> loops. Administrators could then tell their B2BUA vendors to compl= y
>> with the document, if the administrator so wishes.
>>
>>
>> Objectives:
>>
>> The objectives of the STRAW Working Group are to publish normative=
>> documents which define which SIP header fields, parameters, MIME >> bodies, body content fields/information, or media-plane
>> characteristics are required to traverse between the User Agent >> "sides" of a B2BUA for specific functions to work.
>>
>> The specific functions covered are expected to relate to
>> already-published RFCs or existing RAI area work, as opposed to al= l
>> future IETF work. =A0In other words, the Working Group is not mean= t to
>> be a never-ending source for B2BUA requirements in the RAI area. >>
>> Deliverables would indicate which types of B2BUAs would apply or n= ot.
>> For example, a document defining the requirements for end-to-end >> DTLS-SRTP would not apply to B2BUAs which terminate media, such as=
>> transcoders or recorders.
>>
>> Milestones:
>> =A0Dec 2012 - A taxonomy document defining role-types of B2BUAs, a= s a
>> reference for other deliverables submitted to the IESG as Informat= ional
>> =A0Apr 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs with= respect
>> to loop detection/prevention submitted to the IESG as PS
>> =A0Aug 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to s= upport
>> end-to-end and hop-by-hop media-loopback test calls submitted to t= he IESG
>> as PS
>> =A0Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to s= upport
>> DTLS-SRTP (RFC 5764) end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS
>> =A0Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to s= upport
>> STUN message transactions end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS >> =A0Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to s= upport
>> RTCP end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> new-work mailing list
>> new-work@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/new-work
>> _______________________________________________
>> dispatch mailing list
>> dispatch@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch
>
> _______________________________________________
> dispatch mailing list
> dispatch@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch
>
>

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--f46d04462fbcbf0f4f04c4818baa-- From jmpolk@cisco.com Thu Jul 12 15:21:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52BD21F8668 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:21:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.477 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.122, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WY7U3s9e01q1 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-2.cisco.com (mtv-iport-2.cisco.com [173.36.130.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA0121F8665 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:21:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=jmpolk@cisco.com; l=2; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1342131727; x=1343341327; h=message-id:date:to:from:subject:mime-version; bh=frcCV1k9oG9oKj3dpUqdJg1PxRT2RSN/XKdLCPjaYaY=; b=hxPKweR6qeXm3ZGRDdUU03NsWtf8wqZ7zEeP/p65XyASwLtOmf4X0skT Fj6bD60xgKtzI7Hui0YLL0nVVhQgVYO3Xm6N6544NYLJvhS7a6oaukKNO Uci1HvBm+iE4xV9p1NifGrVa+rjwkQKFzJFcwHFYbaKNQJXnhBV8g/UEX A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhMMAPZM/0+rRDoJ/2dsb2JhbABFiByveoEHghwdAQYfAlY6KXmFJweCJBicRIEokg+NfI4ggxwDiEubD4Fmgn0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,576,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="51778379" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2012 22:22:07 +0000 Received: from jmpolk-WS.cisco.com (rcdn-jmpolk-8714.cisco.com [10.99.80.21]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6CMM7bJ032212 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:22:07 GMT Message-Id: <201207122222.q6CMM7bJ032212@mtv-core-4.cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:22:06 -0500 To: straw@ietf.org From: James Polk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [straw] test - please ignore X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:21:33 -0000 From vpascual@acmepacket.com Fri Jul 13 00:57:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1F521F87DD for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 00:57:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PrfnJZCE8hLc for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 00:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7E421F87C1 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 00:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIL1.acmepacket.com (10.0.0.21) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 03:57:42 -0400 Received: from MAIL2.acmepacket.com ([169.254.2.199]) by Mail1.acmepacket.com ([169.254.1.55]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 03:57:42 -0400 From: Victor Pascual To: "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Welcome to the STRAW WG! Thread-Index: Ac1gzFzilBNnd3b6R8qhLLbEM/SSWQ== Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:57:41 +0000 Message-ID: <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721CD361F2@Mail2.acmepacket.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [216.41.24.34] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: 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 Subject: [straw] Welcome to the STRAW WG! X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:57:08 -0000 Welcome to the STRAW WG! The WG charter and associated milestones can be found here: http://tools.ie= tf.org/wg/straw/charters As you may have seen, we have been assigned agenda time in Vancouver in ord= er to kick-start the work. So we encourage people to take a look and see fo= r which deliverables they are interested to contribute and, even better, st= art putting some draft text together. Dec 2012 - A taxonomy document defining role-types of B2BUAs, as a referenc= e for other deliverables submitted to the IESG as Informational Apr 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs with respect to = loop detection/prevention submitted to the IESG as PS Aug 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support end-t= o-end and hop-by-hop media-loopback test calls submitted to the IESG as PS Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support DTLS-= SRTP (RFC 5764) end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support STUN = message transactions end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support RTCP = end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS If you want to present ideas on how to address certain problems, feel free = to contact the chairs so that we take it into account when drafting the age= nda for the upcoming session. The following existing drafts are related to this group: - A Taxonomy of Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents:= http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaplan-dispatch-b2bua-taxonomy-00 - Loop Detection Mechanisms for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-B= ack User Agents (B2BUAs): http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaplan-dispatch-= b2bua-loop-detection-00 - A Media-based Traceroute Function for the Session Initiation Protocol (SI= P): http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-kaplan-dispatch-sip-traceroute-00.txt Best regards and happy strawing! Christer and Victor STRAW WG Chairs From vpascual@acmepacket.com Fri Jul 13 01:28:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB55E21F869E for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 01:28:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, GB_I_LETTER=-2] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xxb82Krz8bO0 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 01:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1180321F85E1 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 01:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIL1.acmepacket.com (10.0.0.21) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with 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Vancouver agenda requests X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:51:23 -0000 A preliminary agenda for the upcoming meeting is due on Wednesday. If you w= ant to present ideas on how to address certain problems, please send a requ= est to the chairs (straw-chairs@tools.ietf.org) Cheers, -Victor From vpascual@acmepacket.com Wed Jul 18 02:13:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B236721F8643 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:13:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.849 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.849 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.250, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8veqzTx5kHpX for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F8C21F8645 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIL1.acmepacket.com (10.0.0.21) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 05:14:01 -0400 Received: from MAIL2.acmepacket.com ([169.254.2.128]) by Mail1.acmepacket.com ([169.254.1.55]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 05:14:01 -0400 From: Victor Pascual To: "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft agenda for Vancouver Thread-Index: Ac1kxEqgCoTCuUUPQtC29inCL8eIwQ== Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:14:01 +0000 Message-ID: <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F295A94@Mail2.acmepacket.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [216.41.24.34] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: 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 Subject: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:13:13 -0000 See the draft agenda for the upcoming STRAW WG meeting: http://www.ietf.org= /proceedings/84/agenda/agenda-84-straw Please let the chairs know if you have any comments. Cheers, -Victor From jmpolk@cisco.com Wed Jul 18 13:44:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681F411E814A for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:44:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.097, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QM5xQkWZquL5 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-3.cisco.com (mtv-iport-3.cisco.com [173.36.130.14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B98311E80AA for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:44:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=jmpolk@cisco.com; l=788; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1342644318; x=1343853918; h=message-id:date:to:from:subject:cc:in-reply-to: references:mime-version; bh=xTlOp0HVbW3iM2EvXhj4lKjhH+tw9HoNekU/NS6JAgI=; b=HgBcEwDuOzr0EthJTgYwQz2fWZQJH99Pyb9ECWmA2XqgkiTzs4/5iLc/ y09to5CplQXF+8DFdnxutXS0Fg7egbZKFiW8qU17+gRbwGNWnFryNsFF7 bp4Jm7HHI6P3vkbea+Cx78i8x5NpTpuOQgspE8o6dQBZq7idDM8awhxim U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EAOYfB1CrRDoJ/2dsb2JhbABFuTWBB4IgAQEBBAEBAQ8BJQI0CxAHBA4KHhAZDjAGEwkZh2oMnXWgKYtAhxADiE2bGoFmgn0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,611,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="49755725" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Jul 2012 20:45:18 +0000 Received: from jmpolk-WS.cisco.com (rcdn-jmpolk-8714.cisco.com [10.99.80.21]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6IKjHFd020685; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:45:17 GMT Message-Id: <201207182045.q6IKjHFd020685@mtv-core-4.cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:45:18 -0500 To: Victor Pascual From: James Polk In-Reply-To: <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F295A94@Mail2.acmepacket. com> References: <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F295A94@Mail2.acmepacket.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Robert Sparks , "straw@ietf.org" , Gonzalo Camarillo Subject: Re: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:44:28 -0000 Victor bluntly, how can there be any agenda items when not one of the agenda items has been discussed on the STRAW list (not one message regarding any of the drafts on the agenda)? In fact, no one has posted a message to this list but you in the last week, and none of those messages had anything to do with any of the agenda drafts (or any draft whatsoever)... that's just fishy James At 04:14 AM 7/18/2012, Victor Pascual wrote: >See the draft agenda for the upcoming STRAW WG meeting: >http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/agenda/agenda-84-straw > >Please let the chairs know if you have any comments. > >Cheers, >-Victor >_______________________________________________ >straw mailing list >straw@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw From vpascual@acmepacket.com Thu Jul 19 08:23:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3E321F87B9 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:23:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.821 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.821 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.222, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hlyp7hIYChK1 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F15B21F87B7 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIL1.acmepacket.com (10.0.0.21) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:23:53 -0400 Received: from MAIL2.acmepacket.com ([169.254.2.128]) by Mail1.acmepacket.com ([169.254.1.55]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:23:53 -0400 From: Victor Pascual To: James Polk Thread-Topic: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver Thread-Index: Ac1kxEqgCoTCuUUPQtC29inCL8eIwQAYfSawACb/9IA= Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:23:52 +0000 Message-ID: <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F2980C1@Mail2.acmepacket.com> References: <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F295A94@Mail2.acmepacket.com> <201207182045.q6IKjHFd020685@mtv-core-4.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <201207182045.q6IKjHFd020685@mtv-core-4.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [216.41.24.34] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: =?us-ascii?Q?H4sIAAAAAAAAC02SbUhTYRiGfbezeZw7eXROH02oFitLXSsSNQn9UZTYh1K/?= =?us-ascii?Q?+mHOdXJD99E20RJKwwotM4VKzc8yNZ0YRszSQiTwE7JVKqZpS4SmLbA0TNR2?= =?us-ascii?Q?do7W++vivp/7ee9zeHGuzy+ehC/ABG5u4rCCHXiC/OHz4j+ekSWLoyiyq8gr?= =?us-ascii?Q?cm12gBf59EYLJxZLcDvDU2tTdFnJPFX1ci5P30BkVX5YcM9BDkEB8sB9yCcI?= =?us-ascii?Q?Wu6ZCpDAyZUIOkaeIdrgkzL4kWvjFCAc9yW3wZvKbHqGS+YisC4XI1oXkXug?= =?us-ascii?Q?+d0petyXlMNKQxfG8AGotk1zaMZIKeS1D7uYIOOhasyMMXflILDMlbkCHmQM?= =?us-ascii?Q?PC7sdTEi/eB3v9kV4JL+MDZd7WIgQ8Bif81jOBTahpswugOQ0dAx4cfIJNR1?= =?us-ascii?Q?vuUyLIHCTw42KoZvX1fZqAxWh8rZaCIUl15h5HCYq7NiDB+E3pYVds0RuNZa?= =?us-ascii?Q?y+rHoftRHctbYO3zJMux8P2lhZ3fCktdS9z1PTPWRpbj4f3dOXZ+H4wsXOXf?= =?us-ascii?Q?QcHl/30kw6FQ0zHPZzgE6mtnueWuP+cNfWXTWA3CmpCYMmkU6nSZQqmh9Apl?= =?us-ascii?Q?GmWSKXWaNuR8EaO7gN+ObIs7u1EAzpGIiSIJnuCzKUV37qJKYVSdNWSkU8Zu?= =?us-ascii?Q?BLhQ4kukSZ0eYdQrNEZ16roVhOMSIAy05W2gUqms8+p0E2Vg7H4UEOhPHKJN?= =?us-ascii?Q?ks6pMrQbnhWJA0VEYpDTE+opg0ZtYvQxJMK/cHwwrU5LBTorujlPMLIjfxxJ?= =?us-ascii?Q?REQcvUuo1po2Ktid7TjOdp5GPt3OpPhnBeYgL/ep0LabhvsBg8eUysnEobiI?= =?us-ascii?Q?gVu6/dzrXuEzmScqevIjZIMtjqmKVnMmBI/iVT8tszG+F7JfedW3JfWsDeQJ?= =?us-ascii?Q?LzXVRkmjhJqJ+M09ScOocfuL26Xj+Z19D+TzugSpPU7ed1mQbIk+2t5vVh8+?= =?us-ascii?Q?yVvqGi/Jd6Rowz7KT9ukHs0CCWZUKfbu5hqMir9J/iI4hwMAAA=3D=3D?= Cc: Robert Sparks , "straw@ietf.org" , Gonzalo Camarillo Subject: Re: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:23:04 -0000 James, Thanks for your feedback. The goal for the upcoming meeting is to kick-star= t the work towards the WG deliverables -- unfortunately the WG creation dat= e did not allow contributors to meet the -00 deadline. After sending a couple of calls for agenda requests we believe discussing e= xisting drafts related to this group (please see the milestones list) would= be a good way to start our work. Do you agree? Of course, if you want to present ideas on how to address certain problems = please contact the chairs and we'd be more than happy to allocate some agen= da time for you. Thanks again for your feedback. -Victor >-----Original Message----- >From: James Polk [mailto:jmpolk@cisco.com] >Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:45 PM >To: Victor Pascual >Cc: straw@ietf.org; Gonzalo Camarillo; Robert Sparks >Subject: Re: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver > >Victor > >bluntly, how can there be any agenda items when not one of the agenda >items has been discussed on the STRAW list (not one message regarding >any of the drafts on the agenda)? In fact, no one has posted a >message to this list but you in the last week, and none of those >messages had anything to do with any of the agenda drafts (or any >draft whatsoever)... > >that's just fishy > >James > >At 04:14 AM 7/18/2012, Victor Pascual wrote: >>See the draft agenda for the upcoming STRAW WG meeting: >>http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/agenda/agenda-84-straw >> >>Please let the chairs know if you have any comments. >> >>Cheers, >>-Victor >>_______________________________________________ >>straw mailing list >>straw@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw From HKaplan@acmepacket.com Thu Jul 19 08:35:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA4F21F8710 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:35:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZLZC2healGM9 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F97A21F870B for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIL1.acmepacket.com (10.0.0.21) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:36:11 -0400 Received: from MAIL2.acmepacket.com ([169.254.2.128]) by Mail1.acmepacket.com ([169.254.1.55]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:36:11 -0400 From: Hadriel Kaplan To: James Polk Thread-Topic: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver Thread-Index: Ac1kxEqgCoTCuUUPQtC29inCL8eIwQAYfZjWAC/UBgA= Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:36:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F295A94@Mail2.acmepacket.com> <201207182045.q6IKjHFd020685@mtv-core-4.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <201207182045.q6IKjHFd020685@mtv-core-4.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.0.0.30] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4639D6F9A78914448D5147415B6ECA5F@acmepacket.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: =?us-ascii?Q?H4sIAAAAAAAAC02Se0hTYRjG921n80w9dtw8+jqMcF3UvCZGVlqLgoSK9A8R?= =?us-ascii?Q?QqhNT27oNtkmGCappOVEvISVlqg0kzQviKVgTpEuZkKmkEstaxrlBY1aBpHa?= =?us-ascii?Q?zs60vr9+PM/zve/zwYfzRBt8qcAVc+VwqNCMIDw+Ir/X/NstunLVgqI7rrVy?= =?us-ascii?Q?owfKtkVvLL7iy7B4zjm+SqPQZl/gK292VaFMozD7h3VEkIfaXIxIiIvIBwga?= =?us-ascii?Q?x04bkaudaxEUlZTwGUNAhkJHXyvPiHDci/SHp7U5jMwjWxG0jwcwLCbDYbTN?= =?us-ascii?Q?4oh7kRGw1jSAsXwIukYKBQxj5G4YmF5xYcYQ5DFomc1hV+Uh6F6qduSF5FFo?= =?us-ascii?Q?LB1yMCK94dfwQy67ywcm5+ocDGQwdC+Y+SyHQOfbZoyZCeRh6H3vzcokmJ68?= =?us-ascii?Q?5rEshdKpZedVCuZn1/lsPBSKizxYOQFu3fmMsbwflkxjTo6FodY155iTUNje?= =?us-ascii?Q?4NTPwOA9k5N3wMaHma3845Z8xPJ2KBhd5m3qFc1NTj4F41VLznwkTPwsEJSj?= =?us-ascii?Q?oJr/HslyCNT3fhewHAu3vxQ7ORjuNyzyGCZIT3hZPYfVI34zomiDWq7KCJOn?= =?us-ascii?Q?qOlMeUo6bQhL0ao7kf1zWIJA0IOsqwGDyBfnSimiTIrHizwU2tRLSrleeV6X?= =?us-ascii?Q?lUHrBxHg7lIv4kWA3SP0mXK1XpW2afnhuBSIEcby1NFpdPZFVYaB1rH2MPKV?= =?us-ascii?Q?+BDvGJNk7imzNFveGKIkYiLBz+65Z9I6tcrA6pNIjH/iijCNVkNL7BU59hOI?= =?us-ascii?Q?FpAPjqRiYoaZ5a7SGLYqLNjbce3t3PQCpp1B/s+S5CGPs0rjiSRq2ib6KKzZ?= =?us-ascii?Q?WbxentuR+/W6eXrKcuDNnurI9SRFoK0nsW4uPL//hqY0/0QyZdHRx+fjKtQu?= =?us-ascii?Q?vrvuyspTdM022ZGY3IYrU4vfVmwUb/VyYnVY5drzkqi4EoVuLVaUHtrmH2Xt?= =?us-ascii?Q?kymSY6zTjROo/1nZ1dQ/j0wHF2dbhsxSTK+U79vL0+nlfwGh7jeukgMAAA?= =?us-ascii?Q?=3D=3D?= Cc: Victor Pascual , "straw@ietf.org" , Gonzalo Camarillo , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:35:20 -0000 There was some discussion of them back in February on the DISPATCH list, be= fore there was a WG of course. -hadriel On Jul 18, 2012, at 4:45 PM, James Polk wrote: > Victor >=20 > bluntly, how can there be any agenda items when not one of the agenda ite= ms has been discussed on the STRAW list (not one message regarding any of t= he drafts on the agenda)? In fact, no one has posted a message to this list= but you in the last week, and none of those messages had anything to do wi= th any of the agenda drafts (or any draft whatsoever)... >=20 > that's just fishy >=20 > James >=20 > At 04:14 AM 7/18/2012, Victor Pascual wrote: >> See the draft agenda for the upcoming STRAW WG meeting: http://www.ietf.= org/proceedings/84/agenda/agenda-84-straw >>=20 >> Please let the chairs know if you have any comments. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> -Victor >> _______________________________________________ >> straw mailing list >> straw@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw >=20 > _______________________________________________ > straw mailing list > straw@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw From jmpolk@cisco.com Thu Jul 19 13:00:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D8521F87A9 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:00:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N+w1EERuQoAD for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bgl-iport-2.cisco.com (bgl-iport-2.cisco.com [72.163.197.26]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5F221F87A8 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:00:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=jmpolk@cisco.com; l=2601; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1342728068; x=1343937668; h=message-id:date:to:from:subject:cc:in-reply-to: references:mime-version; bh=fdioIOJYhQh8ufvELIFvAKxU101CLRwNfdGI+A7fgZc=; b=Y8DAWBB7MaW9ub8+GYi3x0Rz6oT3Qak4L3MzH2XYfWJZ33lASb6fnDab fyxdrNhfUYWOk1TKVOBQ99s+lfzWczhzm0l52YvEuk+bbjOo9WDw1K76r 6PqAgKoS6YwbGbqQoDOj186hmLVGsO4nLG0y6WU301oThOsfgq+t7IfW9 U=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,617,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="15174997" Received: from vla196-nat.cisco.com (HELO bgl-core-3.cisco.com) ([72.163.197.24]) by bgl-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Jul 2012 20:01:06 +0000 Received: from jmpolk-WS.cisco.com (rcdn-jmpolk-8714.cisco.com [10.99.80.21]) by bgl-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6JK12PJ008226; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:01:03 GMT Message-Id: <201207192001.q6JK12PJ008226@bgl-core-3.cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:01:01 -0500 To: Victor Pascual , James Polk From: James Polk In-Reply-To: <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F2980C1@Mail2.acmepacket. com> References: <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F295A94@Mail2.acmepacket.com> <201207182045.q6IKjHFd020685@mtv-core-4.cisco.com> <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F2980C1@Mail2.acmepacket.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Robert Sparks , "straw@ietf.org" , Gonzalo Camarillo Subject: Re: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:00:16 -0000 Victor I'm not trying to be a pain, or stifle this effort - I'm just surprised that *nothing* has been talked about on this list, especially leading up to a meeting that apparently has several drafts that will be considered for WG consideration soon. In other words, the silence is deafening on this list. I compare this to RAI's next newest WG INSIPID, and there are was only 1 milestone to begin with, and there was LOTS of discussion, especially before the meeting. Maybe I'm a bit slanted by that recent experience. I mean, the authors of the agenda drafts haven't even announced their drafts on the list with a non-draft-lingo paragraph explaining what each are about. I would at least expect that coming soon. Is that unreasonable? James At 10:23 AM 7/19/2012, Victor Pascual wrote: >James, > >Thanks for your feedback. The goal for the upcoming meeting is to >kick-start the work towards the WG deliverables -- unfortunately the >WG creation date did not allow contributors to meet the -00 deadline. >After sending a couple of calls for agenda requests we believe >discussing existing drafts related to this group (please see the >milestones list) would be a good way to start our work. Do you agree? > >Of course, if you want to present ideas on how to address certain >problems please contact the chairs and we'd be more than happy to >allocate some agenda time for you. > >Thanks again for your feedback. >-Victor > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: James Polk [mailto:jmpolk@cisco.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:45 PM > >To: Victor Pascual > >Cc: straw@ietf.org; Gonzalo Camarillo; Robert Sparks > >Subject: Re: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver > > > >Victor > > > >bluntly, how can there be any agenda items when not one of the agenda > >items has been discussed on the STRAW list (not one message regarding > >any of the drafts on the agenda)? In fact, no one has posted a > >message to this list but you in the last week, and none of those > >messages had anything to do with any of the agenda drafts (or any > >draft whatsoever)... > > > >that's just fishy > > > >James > > > >At 04:14 AM 7/18/2012, Victor Pascual wrote: > >>See the draft agenda for the upcoming STRAW WG meeting: > >>http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/agenda/agenda-84-straw > >> > >>Please let the chairs know if you have any comments. > >> > >>Cheers, > >>-Victor > >>_______________________________________________ > >>straw mailing list > >>straw@ietf.org > >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw From HKaplan@acmepacket.com Thu Jul 19 16:27:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7652D11E80A2 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:27:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7x-7aaHffGVC for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2FB11E80A0 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIL1.acmepacket.com (10.0.0.21) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:28:37 -0400 Received: from MAIL2.acmepacket.com ([169.254.2.128]) by Mail1.acmepacket.com ([169.254.1.55]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:28:37 -0400 From: Hadriel Kaplan To: James Polk Thread-Topic: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver Thread-Index: AQHNZgY3CoTCuUUPQtC29inCL8eIwQ== Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:28:34 +0000 Message-ID: <2B67CB23-9A68-4E85-9BC5-5C7E82AF8EE5@acmepacket.com> References: <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F295A94@Mail2.acmepacket.com> <201207182045.q6IKjHFd020685@mtv-core-4.cisco.com> <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F2980C1@Mail2.acmepacket.com> <201207192001.q6JK12PJ008226@bgl-core-3.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <201207192001.q6JK12PJ008226@bgl-core-3.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.0.0.30] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <823173AB8E973A46B9794866DDBDA3E0@acmepacket.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: =?us-ascii?Q?H4sIAAAAAAAAC+NgFmpgU2LjYuFiYBDVVZ3BEWCw/XRDB4/FpG83GC02tK9l?= =?us-ascii?Q?sjjQz2/x//VpVgeWAIYo1sy8pPyKBNaM7T2bGAueslZMbFNsYDzK0sXIxSEk?= =?us-ascii?Q?sJJRoudRCzuEM5dRYuXtTWxdjJwcbAK6Ehv2rmXuYuTgEBFQlDgytxokzCyw?= =?us-ascii?Q?llFi/WV1EFtYQF/iwrobrCC2iICBxN/lB1ggbD2J7XPawMawCKhKzNj4ixHE?= =?us-ascii?Q?5hVwlGh9cxFq8XdGiSNP2sESnAL2Eve/zgYbxCggJvH91BomiGXiEreezAez?= =?us-ascii?Q?JQS0Jba/2scKYetIbLq2igXkNgkBa4ndd8UgwgISS/acZ4awlSR6b7+DahWV?= =?us-ascii?Q?ePn4H1SrrkT3mqNQ8UCJVVefMkLYphJvllxigbBtJU6s/Qs1x12idf1CqLiv?= =?us-ascii?Q?xKHFS6BseYn/9+7D1W9b3Qg1R1ai6cI7Zpj4s0sroGxvictT30DVG0lc/9rE?= =?us-ascii?Q?NoFRcxaSLyFsHYkFuz+xzQL6jBmo/ffZOIiwtsSyha+ZZ4FDUVDi5MwnLAsY?= =?us-ascii?Q?WVcxiqaW5CZm5uglJuemFiQmZ6eW6CXn525iBKaOG5oSbDsYH31TP8QoycGk?= =?us-ascii?Q?JMqr18cRIMSXlJ9SmZFYnBFfVJqTWnyIUYKDR0mEl206UI63uCAxtzgzHSYl?= =?us-ascii?Q?w8GhJMH7fhpQSrAoNT21Ii0zpyS1CCJ9ilFSSpz3CUhSAKQvozQPLneJUVRK?= =?us-ascii?Q?mLdtAlCOpyC1KDezBCJ+i1GY4yGTEEtefl6qFNCJDECgwfiKUZyDUUmY9x/I?= =?us-ascii?Q?LJ7MvBK4E14BXccEdB13MRvIdSWJCCmpBkY1len3Vp6U5HYty+t+KZ9z3/mo?= =?us-ascii?Q?bMzBW+U7lY5cvhIpFmFZ8lPtvrN54EEFdh0W1dsb918w9z8pXdQuf3rq032H?= =?us-ascii?Q?I1b+alq/XSNgRl3Ws0XHvX91KulusGvemKJU4+cryb7qV8y7m6L/ju1edvt5?= =?us-ascii?Q?RNHn189UP7y9cCBPNrokxn6N0dG36YUOFUeVWIozEg21mIuKEwHpBNu9kwMA?= =?us-ascii?Q?AA=3D=3D?= Cc: Victor Pascual , "straw@ietf.org" , Gonzalo Camarillo , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:27:45 -0000 On Jul 19, 2012, at 4:01 PM, James Polk wrote: > Victor >=20 > I'm not trying to be a pain, or stifle this effort - I'm just surprised t= hat *nothing* has been talked about on this list, especially leading up to = a meeting that apparently has several drafts that will be considered for WG= consideration soon. In other words, the silence is deafening on this list. Well maybe no one has any disagreements over them. ;) > I mean, the authors of the agenda drafts haven't even announced their dra= fts on the list with a non-draft-lingo paragraph explaining what each are a= bout. > I would at least expect that coming soon. Is that unreasonable? I'll re-send the emails from DISPATCH onto this list. -hadriel From HKaplan@acmepacket.com Thu Jul 19 16:28:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034A121F8512 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:28:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fTg8nBWKJpEB for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A2021F850F for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIL1.acmepacket.com (10.0.0.21) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:29:16 -0400 Received: from MAIL2.acmepacket.com ([169.254.2.128]) by Mail1.acmepacket.com ([169.254.1.55]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:29:16 -0400 From: Hadriel Kaplan To: "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-kaplan-dispatch-b2bua-loop-detection-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHNZgZCO3BcP95kw0iJ22cmfMMVpg== Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:28:52 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.0.0.30] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <9ABD5AC59603DD44B750CFCF52DA6938@acmepacket.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: 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 Subject: [straw] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-kaplan-dispatch-b2bua-loop-detection-00.txt X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:28:24 -0000 Howdy, we submitted an I-D for one of the proposed STRAW WG's proposed deliverable= s, for the loop-detection deliverable. Comments welcomed/appreciated. -hadriel Begin forwarded message: > From: > Subject: I-D Action: draft-kaplan-dispatch-b2bua-loop-detection-00.txt > Date: October 24, 2011 7:02:21 PM EDT > To: > Reply-To: >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. >=20 > Title : Loop Detection Mechanisms for Session Initiation Proto= col (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs) > Author(s) : Hadriel Kaplan > Victor Pascual > Filename : draft-kaplan-dispatch-b2bua-loop-detection-00.txt > Pages : 6 > Date : 2011-10-24 >=20 > SIP Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs) can cause unending SIP request > routing loops because, as User Agent Clients, they can generate SIP > requests with new Max-Forwards values. This document discusses the > difficulties associated with loop detection for B2BUAs, and > requirements for them to prevent infinite loops. >=20 >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kaplan-dispatch-b2bua-loop-dete= ction-00.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kaplan-dispatch-b2bua-loop-detec= tion-00.txt > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From HKaplan@acmepacket.com Thu Jul 19 16:30:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB0C21F85A0 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:30:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bVKUACpdPtnf for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A680521F859F for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIL1.acmepacket.com (10.0.0.21) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:31:36 -0400 Received: from MAIL2.acmepacket.com ([169.254.2.128]) by Mail1.acmepacket.com ([169.254.1.55]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:31:36 -0400 From: Hadriel Kaplan To: "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-kaplan-dispatch-b2bua-taxonomy-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHNZgajM7kv+uQe2UaAwCTVTY/gMQ== Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:31:35 +0000 Message-ID: <62C375CD-476C-481C-A2D7-07876AD705CD@acmepacket.com> References: <20111015052304.2381.39792.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.0.0.30] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <822094ED3F6D93439FABE314414CB674@acmepacket.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: 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 Subject: [straw] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-kaplan-dispatch-b2bua-taxonomy-00.txt X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:30:43 -0000 Howdy, I submitted a draft for one of the STRAW WG's deliverables, for the taxonom= y part. Comments welcomed/appreciated. -hadriel Begin forwarded message: > From: > Subject: I-D Action: draft-kaplan-dispatch-b2bua-taxonomy-00.txt > Date: October 15, 2011 1:23:04 AM EDT > To: > Reply-To: >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. >=20 > Title : A Taxonomy of Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-t= o-Back User Agents > Author(s) : Hadriel Kaplan > Filename : draft-kaplan-dispatch-b2bua-taxonomy-00.txt > Pages : 8 > Date : 2011-10-14 >=20 > There are numerous types of SIP Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs), > performing different roles in different ways. This document > identifies several common B2BUA roles, in order to provide taxonomy > other documents can use and reference. >=20 >=20 >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kaplan-dispatch-b2bua-taxonomy-= 00.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kaplan-dispatch-b2bua-taxonomy-0= 0.txt > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From HKaplan@acmepacket.com Thu Jul 19 16:32:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06EA11E80A6 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:32:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rk3mZvMAtcDA for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E3D21F85A1 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIL1.acmepacket.com (10.0.0.21) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:33:20 -0400 Received: from MAIL2.acmepacket.com ([169.254.2.128]) by Mail1.acmepacket.com ([169.254.1.55]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:33:20 -0400 From: Hadriel Kaplan To: "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-kaplan-dispatch-sip-traceroute-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHNZgbhgEDZ0Uf5NEOTvogZHYN+uQ== Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:33:19 +0000 Message-ID: <0B85D5B5-E7A5-49B8-9879-F37AE857E27E@acmepacket.com> References: <20111014171327.7285.78062.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.0.0.30] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4B1E7F0620AAC64786A0F81EF8865396@acmepacket.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: 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 wAA Subject: [straw] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-kaplan-dispatch-sip-traceroute-00.txt X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:32:31 -0000 Howdy, I submitted a draft for one of the STRAW WG's deliverables, for hop-by-hop = media loopback test calls. Comments welcomed/appreciated. -hadriel Begin forwarded message: > From: > Subject: I-D Action: draft-kaplan-dispatch-sip-traceroute-00.txt > Date: October 14, 2011 1:13:27 PM EDT > To: > Reply-To: >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. >=20 > Title : A Media-based Traceroute Function for the Session Init= iation Protocol (SIP) > Author(s) : Hadriel Kaplan > Filename : draft-kaplan-dispatch-sip-traceroute-00.txt > Pages : 7 > Date : 2011-10-14 >=20 > SIP already provides the ability to perform hop-by-hop traceroute > for SIP messages using the Max-Forwards header field, in order to > determine the reachability path of requests to a target. A new > mechanism for media-loopback calls is also being defined separately, > which enables test calls to be generated which result in media being > looped back to the originator. This document is a strawman proposal > for a means of performing hop-by-hop traceroute-style test calls > using the media-loopback mechanism, in order to test the media path > when SIP sessions go through media-relaying B2BUAs. >=20 >=20 >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kaplan-dispatch-sip-traceroute-= 00.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kaplan-dispatch-sip-traceroute-0= 0.txt > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com Fri Jul 20 00:40:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC4F21F85D6 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 00:40:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.217 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.217 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gnhcBUYbk++n for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 00:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw2.ericsson.se (mailgw2.ericsson.se [193.180.251.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5803721F85D7 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 00:40:27 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-b7fb66d000003bb6-73-50090ba03062 Received: from esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw2.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id F7.A1.15286.0AB09005; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:41:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [131.160.36.57] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.88) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.264.0; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:41:20 +0200 Message-ID: <50090BA0.3050105@ericsson.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:41:20 +0300 From: Gonzalo Camarillo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Polk References: <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F295A94@Mail2.acmepacket.com> <201207182045.q6IKjHFd020685@mtv-core-4.cisco.com> <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F2980C1@Mail2.acmepacket.com> <201207192001.q6JK12PJ008226@bgl-core-3.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <201207192001.q6JK12PJ008226@bgl-core-3.cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrHLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvre5Cbs4Ag2+7WSx2rCm0uDankc3i VvNjVos7k86zObB4bJq8mc1jyu+NrB5Llvxk8pi18wlLAEsUl01Kak5mWWqRvl0CV8baR89Y C6aIV/Q9CW9g3CnUxcjJISFgInFx1i5GCFtM4sK99WxdjFwcQgKnGCXWfL/PBOGsZpTY+fIl O0gVr4C2xOzPz1lBbBYBVYlDkzYygdhsAhYSW27dZwGxRQWCJc58Wg9VLyhxcuYToDgHh4iA osSRudUgYWaBKolj2yaDjREW0Je4sO4GK8Suj4wSW542gM3kFLCXuP91NitIr4SApMTtAykQ vXoSU662MELY8hLb385hBrGFgE5b/qyFZQKj0Cwkm2chaZmFpGUBI/MqRuHcxMyc9HIjvdSi zOTi4vw8veLUTYzAMD+45bfqDsY750QOMUpzsCiJ81pv3eMvJJCeWJKanZpakFoUX1Sak1p8 iJGJg1OqgXHWDOPgj9UFhzOnXjiaM0+U6Uz8Xxu35dsO6W/8/uDG2UW3M/0F1rkv74q/dNtN 44x+t9G9l7t8DkXYcKXtSj3v5nH/Q0v5kQZeLe48I+anAcapquHH//FkTVuS+0g5Iq9Q6CJr D/cHW59JzcrPTT1npGhtOjHN7kaVY+b0xf/COg8evLF+l7USS3FGoqEWc1FxIgB+31luQQIA AA== Cc: Victor Pascual , "straw@ietf.org" , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:40:28 -0000 Hi James, yes, discussions around these topics have significantly slowed down while we were officially chartering the WG. I also expect them to resume now that the WG has been chartered. Cheers, Gonzalo On 19/07/2012 11:01 PM, James Polk wrote: > Victor > > I'm not trying to be a pain, or stifle this effort - I'm just > surprised that *nothing* has been talked about on this list, > especially leading up to a meeting that apparently has several drafts > that will be considered for WG consideration soon. In other words, > the silence is deafening on this list. > > I compare this to RAI's next newest WG INSIPID, and there are was > only 1 milestone to begin with, and there was LOTS of discussion, > especially before the meeting. Maybe I'm a bit slanted by that recent > experience. > > I mean, the authors of the agenda drafts haven't even announced their > drafts on the list with a non-draft-lingo paragraph explaining what > each are about. > > I would at least expect that coming soon. Is that unreasonable? > > James > > At 10:23 AM 7/19/2012, Victor Pascual wrote: >> James, >> >> Thanks for your feedback. The goal for the upcoming meeting is to >> kick-start the work towards the WG deliverables -- unfortunately the >> WG creation date did not allow contributors to meet the -00 deadline. >> After sending a couple of calls for agenda requests we believe >> discussing existing drafts related to this group (please see the >> milestones list) would be a good way to start our work. Do you agree? >> >> Of course, if you want to present ideas on how to address certain >> problems please contact the chairs and we'd be more than happy to >> allocate some agenda time for you. >> >> Thanks again for your feedback. >> -Victor >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: James Polk [mailto:jmpolk@cisco.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:45 PM >>> To: Victor Pascual >>> Cc: straw@ietf.org; Gonzalo Camarillo; Robert Sparks >>> Subject: Re: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver >>> >>> Victor >>> >>> bluntly, how can there be any agenda items when not one of the agenda >>> items has been discussed on the STRAW list (not one message regarding >>> any of the drafts on the agenda)? In fact, no one has posted a >>> message to this list but you in the last week, and none of those >>> messages had anything to do with any of the agenda drafts (or any >>> draft whatsoever)... >>> >>> that's just fishy >>> >>> James >>> >>> At 04:14 AM 7/18/2012, Victor Pascual wrote: >>>> See the draft agenda for the upcoming STRAW WG meeting: >>>> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/agenda/agenda-84-straw >>>> >>>> Please let the chairs know if you have any comments. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> -Victor >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> straw mailing list >>>> straw@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw > From jmpolk@cisco.com Fri Jul 20 12:03:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6CF21F8476 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:03:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ch5VVbu6NOA5 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-1.cisco.com (mtv-iport-1.cisco.com [173.36.130.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1556D21F849C for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:03:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=jmpolk@cisco.com; l=834; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1342811064; x=1344020664; h=message-id:date:to:from:subject:cc:in-reply-to: references:mime-version; bh=uZV+Is7guHDDA5Ex5xKEvPcBrA2ogcPQopiOR5aIgok=; b=IECRgL0Zs9pThIuDQSDyoQKnKMiAO2dj84P4Hp3o9hnFN7FPPnLBIS5V JzANw07itFkdJVJcDKJgrSmohdN29TNCS15UlLb9qMekjL/e7w7eTAXeX FCchSEOgc/sCUMrP+S4GANI8BLO/CzTXRnRP9R2zrEqFAC/itgw2Y5X4F g=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,625,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="49423731" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by mtv-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Jul 2012 19:04:24 +0000 Received: from jmpolk-WS.cisco.com (rcdn-jmpolk-8714.cisco.com [10.99.80.21]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6KJ4NGT001522; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:04:24 GMT Message-Id: <201207201904.q6KJ4NGT001522@mtv-core-3.cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:04:20 -0500 To: Hadriel Kaplan , James Polk From: James Polk In-Reply-To: <2B67CB23-9A68-4E85-9BC5-5C7E82AF8EE5@acmepacket.com> References: <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F295A94@Mail2.acmepacket.com> <201207182045.q6IKjHFd020685@mtv-core-4.cisco.com> <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F2980C1@Mail2.acmepacket.com> <201207192001.q6JK12PJ008226@bgl-core-3.cisco.com> <2B67CB23-9A68-4E85-9BC5-5C7E82AF8EE5@acmepacket.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Victor Pascual , "straw@ietf.org" , Gonzalo Camarillo , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:03:38 -0000 At 06:28 PM 7/19/2012, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: >On Jul 19, 2012, at 4:01 PM, James Polk wrote: > > > Victor > > > > I'm not trying to be a pain, or stifle this effort - I'm just > surprised that *nothing* has been talked about on this list, > especially leading up to a meeting that apparently has several > drafts that will be considered for WG consideration soon. In other > words, the silence is deafening on this list. > >Well maybe no one has any disagreements over them. ;) > > > > I mean, the authors of the agenda drafts haven't even announced > their drafts on the list with a non-draft-lingo paragraph > explaining what each are about. > > I would at least expect that coming soon. Is that unreasonable? > > >I'll re-send the emails from DISPATCH onto this list. thank you -j >-hadriel From christer.holmberg@ericsson.com Mon Jul 23 11:42:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1981611E80E7 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:42:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.196 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.196 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4zd-Ky4FOy4M for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw7.ericsson.se (mailgw7.ericsson.se [193.180.251.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C0C11E80CF for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:42:13 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-b7f916d000000bfb-e5-500d9b0431eb Received: from esessmw0191.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw7.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 12.F6.03067.40B9D005; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:42:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0356.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.21]) by esessmw0191.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.84]) with mapi; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:42:12 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: James Polk , Hadriel Kaplan Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:42:12 +0200 Thread-Topic: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver Thread-Index: Ac1mqurUtEpmxfm3T9aA58Nk++53nACVz89s Message-ID: <7F2072F1E0DE894DA4B517B93C6A05853408683552@ESESSCMS0356.eemea.ericsson.se> References: <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F295A94@Mail2.acmepacket.com> <201207182045.q6IKjHFd020685@mtv-core-4.cisco.com> <06858A3916A9A242BCF452E64C9186721F2980C1@Mail2.acmepacket.com> <201207192001.q6JK12PJ008226@bgl-core-3.cisco.com> <2B67CB23-9A68-4E85-9BC5-5C7E82AF8EE5@acmepacket.com>, <201207201904.q6KJ4NGT001522@mtv-core-3.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <201207201904.q6KJ4NGT001522@mtv-core-3.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrPLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+JvrS7rbN4Ag8tqFnMvP2e32LGm0OLa nEY2i1vNj1kt7kw6z+bA6rFp8mY2jym/N7J6LFnyk8lj1s4nLAEsUVw2Kak5mWWpRfp2CVwZ J9bsZi5YzFvx+PFn5gbGK1xdjJwcEgImEqfn7GCEsMUkLtxbz9bFyMUhJHCKUeL+44msEM4C RoltG6YBZTg42AQsJLr/aYM0iAh4SXw7eIYRpIZZYC2jxML/a5lBEiwCqhI3+v4zgdQLC+hL rL4YDFFvIPF3+QEWCNtIYuLdP2CLeQXCJSZfvQS16xGTxKtZM9hBejkF7CUuzZUBqWEEOu77 qTVMIDazgLjErSfzmSCOFpBYsuc8M4QtKvHy8T9WiHpRiTvt6xkh6nUkFuz+xAZha0ssW/ia GWKvoMTJmU9YJjCKzUIydhaSlllIWmYhaVnAyLKKUTg3MTMnvdxcL7UoM7m4OD9Przh1EyMw 0g5u+W2wg3HTfbFDjNIcLErivHqq+/2FBNITS1KzU1MLUovii0pzUosPMTJxcEo1ME6wn/5q er2uyg1WD7m8/977KhtrY+9NZxL4+WfNwRPq8a999j/8uXX1v8ZDHZ9qL2Z/uRD2qHnHVZ1Y BmYRGe4qj0sFgkGK6vpveo0XbJow3/vOojlRtw2Sdjfn9B70sFrsyHTnQIZxhf6V07pC3Mx7 d1W8PiCozqj7UWIuo5lus8C6/RNYnymxFGckGmoxFxUnAgAgTeb4ggIAAA== Cc: Victor Pascual , Robert Sparks , "straw@ietf.org" , Gonzalo Camarillo Subject: Re: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:42:18 -0000 Hi James, Thanks for your feedback! As Victor said, the whole idea of presenting the drafts is to kick-start th= e work, and start the discussions. In Vancouver, we are obviously not going to suggest that the WG adopts the = drafts. Anyone will get a chance to submit drafts on how to implement the d= eliverables, which we will then discuss in a normal fashion :) Regards, Christer ________________________________________ From: straw-bounces@ietf.org [straw-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Po= lk [jmpolk@cisco.com] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 10:04 PM To: Hadriel Kaplan; James Polk Cc: Victor Pascual; straw@ietf.org; Gonzalo Camarillo; Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [straw] draft agenda for Vancouver At 06:28 PM 7/19/2012, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: >On Jul 19, 2012, at 4:01 PM, James Polk wrote: > > > Victor > > > > I'm not trying to be a pain, or stifle this effort - I'm just > surprised that *nothing* has been talked about on this list, > especially leading up to a meeting that apparently has several > drafts that will be considered for WG consideration soon. In other > words, the silence is deafening on this list. > >Well maybe no one has any disagreements over them. ;) > > > > I mean, the authors of the agenda drafts haven't even announced > their drafts on the list with a non-draft-lingo paragraph > explaining what each are about. > > I would at least expect that coming soon. Is that unreasonable? > > >I'll re-send the emails from DISPATCH onto this list. thank you -j >-hadriel _______________________________________________ straw mailing list straw@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw= From HKaplan@acmepacket.com Mon Jul 30 14:30:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A5D21F861C for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:30:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HUxj1RDIRMBc for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8A621F8602 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIL1.acmepacket.com (10.0.0.21) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:30:05 -0400 Received: from MAIL2.acmepacket.com ([169.254.2.53]) by Mail1.acmepacket.com ([169.254.1.47]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:30:05 -0400 From: Hadriel Kaplan To: "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-kaplan-straw-sip-traceroute-00 Thread-Index: AQHNbpp8GWSK0NPG/0CCGa4wDo2WgQ== Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:30:05 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20120730212242.6966.799.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [216.41.24.34] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <448D7005994B5B4D9C275E643354B736@acmepacket.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: 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 AA= Subject: [straw] Fwd: draft-kaplan-straw-sip-traceroute-00 X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:30:15 -0000 FYI, I've re-submitted the traceroute draft using the new WG name so it'll appea= r on the tools webpage - no real changes were made to the draft. -hadriel Begin forwarded message: > From: > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-kaplan-straw-sip-traceroute-0= 0.txt > Date: July 30, 2012 5:22:42 PM EDT > To: >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-kaplan-straw-sip-traceroute-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Hadriel Kaplan and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Filename: draft-kaplan-straw-sip-traceroute > Revision: 00 > Title: A Media-based Traceroute Function for the Session Initiation Pro= tocol (SIP) > Creation date: 2012-07-30 > WG ID: Individual Submission > Number of pages: 7 > URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kaplan-straw-s= ip-traceroute-00.txt > Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kaplan-straw-sip-t= raceroute > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaplan-straw-sip-tracer= oute-00 >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > SIP already provides the ability to perform hop-by-hop traceroute > for SIP messages using the Max-Forwards header field, in order to > determine the reachability path of requests to a target. A new > mechanism for media-loopback calls is also being defined separately, > which enables test calls to be generated which result in media being > looped back to the originator. This document is a strawman proposal > for a means of performing hop-by-hop traceroute-style test calls > using the media-loopback mechanism, in order to test the media path > when SIP sessions go through media-relaying B2BUAs. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF Secretariat From HKaplan@acmepacket.com Mon Jul 30 14:30:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA4A21F861C for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:30:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Vf5K-HkDGdV for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D963321F85D6 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIL1.acmepacket.com (10.0.0.21) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:30:09 -0400 Received: from MAIL2.acmepacket.com ([169.254.2.53]) by Mail1.acmepacket.com ([169.254.1.47]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:30:09 -0400 From: Hadriel Kaplan To: "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-kaplan-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00 Thread-Index: AQHNbpp+TSoFcUq+FkyWIvWKFeoSrQ== Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:30:08 +0000 Message-ID: <52941D52-5E1C-4E4B-B415-A7C0AE8E2AC9@acmepacket.com> References: <20120730212357.8429.12667.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [216.41.24.34] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <5F7A68B05AC14C418C2A15CCEC792C7B@acmepacket.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: 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 wMAAA== Subject: [straw] Fwd: draft-kaplan-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00 X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:30:16 -0000 FYI, I've re-submitted the taxonomy draft using the new WG name so it'll appear = on the tools webpage - no real changes were made to the draft. -hadriel Begin forwarded message: > From: > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-kaplan-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-0= 0.txt > Date: July 30, 2012 5:23:57 PM EDT > To: >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-kaplan-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Hadriel Kaplan and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Filename: draft-kaplan-straw-b2bua-taxonomy > Revision: 00 > Title: A Taxonomy of Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back Use= r Agents > Creation date: 2012-07-30 > WG ID: Individual Submission > Number of pages: 8 > URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kaplan-straw-b= 2bua-taxonomy-00.txt > Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kaplan-straw-b2bua= -taxonomy > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaplan-straw-b2bua-taxo= nomy-00 >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > There are numerous types of SIP Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs), > performing different roles in different ways. This document > identifies several common B2BUA roles, in order to provide taxonomy > other documents can use and reference. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF Secretariat From HKaplan@acmepacket.com Mon Jul 30 14:30:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D3311E811B for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:30:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gZnaNDMwz12k for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF20E11E810F for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIL1.acmepacket.com (10.0.0.21) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:30:30 -0400 Received: from MAIL2.acmepacket.com ([169.254.2.53]) by Mail1.acmepacket.com ([169.254.1.47]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:30:30 -0400 From: Hadriel Kaplan To: "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-kaplan-straw-b2bua-loop-detection-00 Thread-Index: AQHNbpqKa/n8KlN/KE26ZjQK0gtkJA== Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:30:29 +0000 Message-ID: <23D3B19F-567E-4150-9B6C-351E3BFF22A4@acmepacket.com> References: <20120730212407.9247.54473.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [216.41.24.34] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: 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 Subject: [straw] Fwd: draft-kaplan-straw-b2bua-loop-detection-00 X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:30:32 -0000 FYI, I've re-submitted the loop-detection draft using the new WG name so it'll a= ppear on the tools webpage - no real changes were made to the draft. -hadriel Begin forwarded message: > From: > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-kaplan-straw-b2bua-loop-detec= tion-00.txt > Date: July 30, 2012 5:24:07 PM EDT > To: > Cc: >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-kaplan-straw-b2bua-loop-detection-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Hadriel Kaplan and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Filename: draft-kaplan-straw-b2bua-loop-detection > Revision: 00 > Title: Loop Detection Mechanisms for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) = Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs) > Creation date: 2012-07-30 > WG ID: Individual Submission > Number of pages: 6 > URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kaplan-straw-b= 2bua-loop-detection-00.txt > Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kaplan-straw-b2bua= -loop-detection > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaplan-straw-b2bua-loop= -detection-00 >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > SIP Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs) can cause unending SIP request > routing loops because, as User Agent Clients, they can generate SIP > requests with new Max-Forwards values. This document discusses the > difficulties associated with loop detection for B2BUAs, and > requirements for them to prevent infinite loops. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF Secretariat From ietf@meetecho.com Tue Jul 31 16:04:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55E921F8954 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:04:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.840, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c4gtXtBTyS-N for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtplq03.aruba.it (smtplqs-out18.aruba.it [62.149.158.58]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CB2521F8946 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24598 invoked by uid 89); 31 Jul 2012 23:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5.aruba.it) (62.149.158.225) by smtplq03.aruba.it with SMTP; 31 Jul 2012 23:04:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 22968 invoked by uid 89); 31 Jul 2012 23:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?130.129.21.177?) (alex@meetecho.com@130.129.21.177) by smtp5.ad.aruba.it with ESMTPA; 31 Jul 2012 23:04:45 -0000 Message-ID: <5018648A.4040803@meetecho.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 01:04:42 +0200 From: Meetecho IETF support User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: straw@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: smtplq03.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [straw] Meetecho support for STRAW WG X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 23:04:50 -0000 Hi all, a virtual room has been reserved on the Meetecho system for today's STRAW WG meeting session. Access to the on-line session (including audio and video streams) will be available at: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf84/straw The Meetecho session automatically logs you into the standard IETF jabber room. So, from there, you can have an integrated experience involving all media and allowing you to interact with the room. Remote participants might also send their own voice to the room, if they want to, by either calling a landline phone number, or using our embedded VoIP applet (in this last case they are *strongly* advised to use a headset). A tutorial of interactivity features of the tool can be found at: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf84 Cheers, the Meetecho team -- Meetecho s.r.l. Web Conferencing and Collaboration Tools www.meetecho.com From R.Jesske@telekom.de Tue Jul 31 21:29:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A3D21F87E5 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:29:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.248 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.248 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Aq539JYl2b-1 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail53.telekom.de (tcmail53.telekom.de [217.5.214.110]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7ED21F87E4 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from he111631.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.93.23]) by tcmail51.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 01 Aug 2012 06:29:54 +0200 Received: from HE111648.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.93.17]) by HE111631.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([::1]) with mapi; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:29:54 +0200 From: To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:29:52 +0200 Thread-Topic: Notes of Meeting Thread-Index: Ac1vnkuSJgee7Pc7QkOAAcoYLn/ILQ== Message-ID: <580BEA5E3B99744AB1F5BFF5E9A3C67D14DD3C7AA2@HE111648.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> Accept-Language: de-DE Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: de-DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: vpascual@acmepacket.com, christer.holmberg@ericsson.com Subject: [straw] Notes of Meeting X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 04:29:58 -0000 Dear all, please find attached my notes. If I have something misunderstood please indicate this on the list. Roland ------------------------------------------- Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work (STRAW) TUESDAY, July 31, 2012 1700-1830 Afternoon Session III Regency E - - Agenda bashing and IETF Note Well (5 min) Presenter: Chairs Christer: Introduction, Session should be seen as tutorial and starting poi= nt of work. - - Introduction to the WG (10 min) Presenter: Hadriel Kaplan Related reading: STRAW WG charter http://tools.ietf.org/wg/straw/charters Slides-84-straw-1 Hadriel: Problem statement =E0 B2BUA are not only SBC. So could be also other entiti= es e.G. PBX ect. It's impossible to specify everything that all types of B2BUAs must do for = SIP but very few things any B2BUA must do to make a specific mechanism wor= k. Like loop detection (Max-Forwards) Daryl: It helps but does not guarantee that it will work. The STRAW defined= procedures will help for implementers. Hadriel: Every RFC we will provide will work or. Robert: This is a theoretical discussion. - - Role-types of B2BUAs (20 min) Presenter: Hadriel Kaplan Related reading: A Taxonomy of Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Ba= ck User Agents http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaplan-dispatch-b2bua-taxon= omy-00 Slides-84-straw-2 Slide: Proxy B2BUA Keith: Does it have to sent BYE =E0 Yes Paul: Could keep contact? Hadriel: Yes Keith: Still proxy behaviour but will be a B2BUA due to replacement of elem= ents. Hadriel: Will replace headers or send also Messages. Andrew: Will it be a functionality not a BOX? Hadriel: Yes Slide: Signaling B2BUA Andrew Hutton: Sees also the modification of SDP as signalling Hadriel: sees this as an other type of B2BUA So this is not seen as manipulating SDP for media changes only to fix SDP. Will be further discussed on the list. Slide: Media Aware B2BUA Keith: Should reference RTP RFC terminology the differentiate between media= aware and media terminating B2BUA. Will be taken into account. (List discussion) Paul: What is the Criteria for B2BUA? One-to-one, call initiation into two = direction or??? Hadriel: Some documents will define the taxonomity itself. Paul: For Conference servers perhaps is not interesting for STRAW but e.g. = for a PCC it is seen. Keith: Will have documents in STRAW that is covered by the taxonomy documen= t. Conference is out of scope for him. Partaha: Thinks that it is needed more taxonomy functions. Hadriel: Please put it on the list for discussion. Martin: Conf is more an APP Server and there are Edge Servers and Applicati= on Server. Are these types covered? Hadriel: Yes Daryl: Proposes to mention within the draft the differences between types a= nd add examples. E.g. -This is a Media aware B2BUA and does... -If you deal with media than this is the procedure to do it. -If it is a Signaling then... And add some examples. - - Loop detection/prevention (20 min) Presenter: Hadriel Kaplan Related reading: Loop Detection Mechanisms for Session Initiation Protocol = (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ka= plan-dispatch-b2bua-loop-detection-00 Slides-84-straw-3 Robert: Pointing the RFC5393 =E0 will end up one Call, If you have forking = than you will have many Messages before ending by max forwards. Hadriel: proposes to pass thought the Max-Breadth. Robert: Andrew: Please not remove Max-Forwards. Robert: Max Forwards didn't work for proxies. Others: It works Robert: Yes better than nothing. Keith: There are still Scenarios where this will not work. Conclusion =E0 n= ot everything will work. Conclusion: We will get rid of loops within STRAW. - - Media-loopback test calls (20 min) Presenter: Hadriel Kaplan Related reading: A Media-based Traceroute Function for the Session Initiati= on Protocol (SIP): http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaplan-dispatch-sip-tra= ceroute-00 Slides-84-straw-4 Draft proposes a new header which is decremented by passing each media awar= e B2BUA. This is needed for trouble solution. Brian: Could be useful. But why should this to be implemented? Hadriel: This is seen more for test calls to trace it. Martin: This will work within a carrier network, but we will not let others= in our network. Such test calls will be only traced border to border. Paul: Likes the concept but not the new header. Why Max Forwards is not eno= ugh. So when M-F=3D0 the B2BUA can answer the call. Hadriel: When a loop exists then the B2BUA will answer this but does not he= lp while circulating. Hadriel: There will be a media loopback RFC soon. Daryl House: What the difference between this Media loopback and the propos= ed mechanism. Hadriel: For test calls to a B2BUA and wanted to have it explicitly answere= d. E.G. for cases where the Call sucks. Brian: Problem is that you cannot replicate the path. But do stepwise testi= ng. Hadriel: No will really will go through the path. Andrew: No guarantee that this can be replicated, but could help. Martin: If you have unpredictable results than it will not help. Brian: will not work 100% but will work in 95% of cases. Dale: You need not a 100% reproducibility 95% is enough. So if you make 20 = Calls you will get at least a result. Daryl House: Asks if this is really a use case for this WG. Hadriel: Was asked at least by 2 SP from US Martin: Really disagrees with the mechanism to. It makes these things worse= . Not better, because more measurements and effort are needed with no or mi= nimal result. Conclusions: Christer: Not yet asking for adoption but asking for comments on the list a= nd discuss the discussed proposals. E.G definition of other B2BUA roles. Ph= one call planned not a interims. Daryl: Asks for discussion of the existing B2BUA roles. Paul: Proposal to add later also further roles to the draft when definition= of existing roles are finalized and agreed. Conclusion: This means that the draft will be frozen for some of the B2BUA = roles but could be extended by new defined roles. End of Meeting Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen; With Best Regards Roland Jesske Deutsche Telekom Technik GmbH Fixed Mobile Engineering Deutschland Roland Jesske Heinrich-Hertz-Stra=DFe 3-7, 64295 Darmstadt +49 6151 58-12766 (Tel.) +49 6151 58-13395 (Fax) +49 171 8618-445 (Mobil) http://www.telekom.com Erleben, was verbindet. 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