From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Nov 6 15:17:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3524E21F8BC2; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:17:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.539 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.539 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gqicnXehkZfM; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48D321F8B26; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:17:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.35 Message-ID: <20121106231757.8815.76406.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:17:57 -0800 Cc: straw@ietf.org Subject: [straw] I-D Action: draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00.txt X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 23:17:58 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Sip Traversal Required for Applications t= o Work Working Group of the IETF. Title : A Taxonomy of Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-= Back User Agents Author(s) : Hadriel Kaplan Filename : draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2012-11-06 Abstract: There are numerous types of SIP Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs), performing different roles in different ways. This document identifies several common B2BUA roles, in order to provide taxonomy other documents can use and reference. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From christer.holmberg@ericsson.com Thu Nov 8 06:42:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E917621F8A65 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 06:42:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Wxl1wvUCOim for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 06:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D828721F8AEA for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 06:42:24 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7f1e6d000002d2c-5a-509bc4cf834f Received: from esessmw0247.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id B5.84.11564.FC4CB905; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:42:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSHC021.ericsson.se (153.88.183.81) by esessmw0247.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.93) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.279.1; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:42:23 +0100 Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.182]) by ESESSHC021.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.81]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:42:23 +0100 From: Christer Holmberg To: "'straw@ietf.org'" Thread-Topic: [straw] I-D Action: draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHNvHT7jjdqb8Sv3kaCPO6ff/r/15fgBO1g Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:42:23 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B02798E@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.18] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrGLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvje75I7MDDKZ8ULG41fyY1YHRY8mS n0wBjFFcNimpOZllqUX6dglcGWue/mEumMVX8a9zHlsD4z7uLkZODgkBE4nTt5YxQdhiEhfu rWfrYuTiEBI4ySjx6PBCJghnB6PEwvNbWCCcxYwSf9fcZu9i5OBgE7CQ6P6nDWKKCKhLvD3q AjJIWMBdovnfRUYQW0TAQ2LyggksELaRRNvMO2wgNouAisSMMwtZQWxeAW+Jy7O/s4PYjEBH fD+1BuwgZgFxiVtP5kMdJyCxZM95ZghbVOLl43+sELaixMdX+xgh6nUkFuz+xAZha0ssW/ia GWK+oMTJmU/AbhACircsnsA+gVF0FpIVs5C0z0LSPgtJ+wJGllWM7LmJmTnp5YabGIFhf3DL b90djKfOiRxilOZgURLn5Ura7y8kkJ5YkpqdmlqQWhRfVJqTWnyIkYmDU6qB0dzBaJqRpntZ tBK7bJRgqWJ489k1u3dder8hjFn69MyVZ3mFS1/wRssvnJHxZl7Rsfz20Kkui4Pq9r26sk5e q7N53hXzmjUTNk71EzD1WZwoJdYXOKfzdEWAYW/i/6OCf5LP3OcXXeNtaXGu32C174Zys+BV oY+YRdQVIgLjA212udh7xpsqsRRnJBpqMRcVJwIAZ1eV40kCAAA= Subject: [straw] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00.txt X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:42:26 -0000 =20 (As co-chair) Note that Hadriel has now submitted the draft-ietf-straw version of the b2b= ua-taxonomy document. So, please base comments etc on that document. Our intention is to initialize WGCL for the draft in a couple of weeks, but= everyone is of course free to comment on the draft also before that :) Thanks! Regards, Christer -----Original Message----- From: straw-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:straw-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of i= nternet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: 7. marraskuuta 2012 1:18 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: straw@ietf.org Subject: [straw] I-D Action: draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Sip Traversal Required for Applications t= o Work Working Group of the IETF. Title : A Taxonomy of Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-= Back User Agents Author(s) : Hadriel Kaplan Filename : draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2012-11-06 Abstract: There are numerous types of SIP Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs), performing different roles in different ways. This document identifies several common B2BUA roles, in order to provide taxonomy other documents can use and reference. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ straw mailing list straw@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw From ietf@meetecho.com Fri Nov 9 09:07:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B8821F875F for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:07:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xtM8brcVyJkH for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpdg7.aruba.it (smtpdg7.aruba.it [62.149.158.237]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED3521F8759 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.129.19.11] ([130.129.19.11]) by smtpcmd03.ad.aruba.it with bizsmtp id MV7F1k00N0ELJoa01V7FG5; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 18:07:16 +0100 Message-ID: <509D3841.1040800@meetecho.com> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 18:07:13 +0100 From: Meetecho IETF support User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: straw@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [straw] Meetecho session recording X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:07:18 -0000 Dear all, the full recording (synchronized video, audio, slides and jabber room) of this WG session at IETF-85 is available. 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http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/minutes/minutes-85-straw

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--_000_CCD2887F602Dvpascualacmepacketcom_-- From christer.holmberg@ericsson.com Wed Nov 21 05:16:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B2621F864A for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 05:16:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.993 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.993 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.255, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sb1TaS4RLBfr for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 05:16:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw7.ericsson.se (mailgw7.ericsson.se [193.180.251.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E95321F8449 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 05:16:49 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-b7f936d0000018b3-88-50acd440ff21 Received: from esessmw0191.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by mailgw7.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 26.4F.06323.044DCA05; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:16:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSHC023.ericsson.se (153.88.183.87) by esessmw0191.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.84) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.279.1; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:16:47 +0100 Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.119]) by ESESSHC023.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.87]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:16:47 +0100 From: Christer Holmberg To: "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WGLC: for draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00 Thread-Index: Ac3H6kYbsIfz/xJSSmKTVwJDTm18DA== Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:16:46 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B0414B2@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.16] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B0414B2ESESSMB209ericsso_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrFLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvja7DlTUBBlt+ilj8OvGQzWLdg3/s FreaH7M6MHssWfKTyePL5c9sAUxRXDYpqTmZZalF+nYJXBlffx9jK5gnW/Hq11SWBsa7kl2M nBwSAiYSN+Z8Z4KwxSQu3FvP1sXIxSEkcJJRYvu5dnYIZyejxNl396GcJYwSc25tZO5i5OBg E7CQ6P6nDdItIqAqMeHLTUYQm1mgQuLarmlgU4UFTCUWPFzHClFjJfHx4DcoW0/iQ+daMJsF qPfOqvfMIDavgLfEo6Zj7CA2I9BF30+tYYKYKS5x68l8qEsFJJbsOc8MYYtKvHz8jxXCVpTY ebadGaI+X2LBz+uMEDMFJU7OfMICYgsJaEu0LJ7APoFRdBaSsbOQtMxC0gIR15FYsPsTG4St LbFs4WtmGPvMgcdMyOILGNlXMbLnJmbmpJebb2IExtfBLb8NdjBuui92iFGag0VJnFdPdb+/ kEB6YklqdmpqQWpRfFFpTmrxIUYmDk6pBsZSm7DPTiU9M5bvXVVw42rP6R8OCk+DZkomrX+c arWYqYOL9wu7dFWgyEv3Z8cKGtbFyRso+VpcnDl/mtdhO36ZhyoBf4UW+npMfBt51bL4xjnm fUlpe67adMVZL4iaN8+s+Mfr3wk9t7b0XFt8cYtgSubttAyh38Vm9oofHbV4DixIe2AUJa/E UpyRaKjFXFScCAAMTrjAfQIAAA== Cc: "straw-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "straw-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [straw] WGLC: for draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00 X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:16:50 -0000 --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B0414B2ESESSMB209ericsso_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [As co-chair] Hi, As indicated in Atlanta, we were going to initiate the WGLC for draft-ietf-= straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00. Due to upcoming holidays (Thanksgiving etc) the WGLC will last for 3 weeks,= until 12th December. Everyone is encouraged to read the document and provide comments. However, the chairs would also like to ask for at least a couple of volunte= ers, who commit to thoughtfully reading the document. Please contact the ch= airs if You can help with that :) Best regards, Victor & Christer --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B0414B2ESESSMB209ericsso_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

[As co-chair]

 

Hi,

 

As indicated in Atlanta, we were going to initiate t= he WGLC for draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00.

 

Due to upcoming holidays (Thanksgiving etc) the WGLC= will last for 3 weeks, until 12th December.

 

Everyone is encouraged to read the document and prov= ide comments.

 

However, the chairs would also like to ask for at le= ast a couple of volunteers, who commit to thoughtfully reading the document. Please = contact the chairs if You can help with that :)

 

Best regards,

 

Victor & Christer

 

--_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B0414B2ESESSMB209ericsso_-- From christer.holmberg@ericsson.com Thu Nov 29 02:41:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3869221F87F5 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 02:41:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.138 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.138 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.110, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jHHnsCynNKul for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 02:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw7.ericsson.se (mailgw7.ericsson.se [193.180.251.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2C621F8796 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 02:41:12 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-b7f936d0000018b3-8b-50b73bc71437 Received: from esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by mailgw7.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id AD.7C.06323.7CB37B05; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:41:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSHC020.ericsson.se (153.88.183.78) by esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.81) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.279.1; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:41:11 +0100 Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.119]) by ESESSHC020.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.78]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:41:10 +0100 From: Christer Holmberg To: Christer Holmberg , "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WGLC: for draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00 Thread-Index: Ac3H6kYbsIfz/xJSSmKTVwJDTm18DAGM4agw Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:41:09 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B049018@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B0414B2@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B0414B2@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.16] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B049018ESESSMB209ericsso_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmpikeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZGfG3Rve49fYAg49nhC1+nXjIZrHuwT92 i1vNj1kdmD2WLPnJ5PHl8me2AKYoLpuU1JzMstQifbsEroz/X5uZC5YZV+w5cJ+pgXGpbhcj J4eEgInE4zUL2CBsMYkL99YD2VwcQgInGSXa/nZDOTsZJS6fnsIC4SxhlJj+tQ0ow8HBJmAh 0f1PG6RbRCBa4k3TG7BJzAIVEtd2TWMCsYUFLCXOrNzLDlFjJfHx4DdWCNtI4uOZiWD1LAKq EjcXb2MEsXkFvCWeLN/IDGILAdmfJjwDq+EU8JFY8Wc72BxGoEu/n1rDBLFLXOLWk/lMEB8I SCzZc54ZwhaVePn4HyuErSix82w7M0R9vsTmiTuZIHYJSpyc+YQFYpe2RMviCewTGMVnIRk7 C0nLLCQtEHEdiQW7P7FB2NoSyxa+Zoaxzxx4zIQsvoCRfRUje25iZk56ufkmRmA8Htzy22AH 46b7YocYpTlYlMR59VT3+wsJpCeWpGanphakFsUXleakFh9iZOLglGpg7K2bJxu+SsLkUjFj w24+I6MYkeXX2Cr+los28N41ungq8muX0XvBvStrPNMe/rx1UnGba7B1dbZdqEN0j9iaXdt7 V314VFDXo8ymtSXU8M68JenrmMNin29oXOO2+k+ep81e+RvHFW6zb2hWvuy/lDPH9UFWvcm9 yx/7VqzznZdtt7f/bbK0EktxRqKhFnNRcSIASkYGeJUCAAA= Cc: "straw-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "straw-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [straw] WGLC: for draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00 X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:41:17 -0000 --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B049018ESESSMB209ericsso_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [As co-chair] Hi, We have been informed by a couple of individuals that they will read the do= cument. Thank You very much! However, others are of course still encouraged to provide WGLC comments on = the document. And, you don't have to wait until 12th December before doing = so :) Best regards, Victor & Christer From: Christer Holmberg [mailto:christer.holmberg@ericsson.com] Sent: 21. marraskuuta 2012 15:17 To: straw@ietf.org Cc: straw-chairs@tools.ietf.org; straw-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: WGLC: for draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00 [As co-chair] Hi, As indicated in Atlanta, we were going to initiate the WGLC for draft-ietf-= straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00. Due to upcoming holidays (Thanksgiving etc) the WGLC will last for 3 weeks,= until 12th December. Everyone is encouraged to read the document and provide comments. However, the chairs would also like to ask for at least a couple of volunte= ers, who commit to thoughtfully reading the document. Please contact the ch= airs if You can help with that :) Best regards, Victor & Christer --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B049018ESESSMB209ericsso_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

[As co-chair]

 

Hi,<= /p>

 

We have been informed = by a couple of individuals that they will read the document. Thank You very= much!

 

However, others are of= course still encouraged to provide WGLC comments on the document. And, you= don’t have to wait until 12th December before doing so :)=

 

Best regards,

 

Victor & Christer<= o:p>

 

 

From: Christer= Holmberg [mailto:christer.holmberg@ericsson.com]
Sent: 21. marraskuuta 2012 15:17
To: straw@ietf.org
Cc: straw-chairs@tools.ietf.org; straw-ads@tools.ietf.org
Subject: WGLC: for draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00

 

[As co-chair]

 

Hi,

 

As indicated in Atlanta, we were going to initiate t= he WGLC for draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00.

 

Due to upcoming holidays (Thanksgiving etc) the WGLC= will last for 3 weeks, until 12th December.

 

Everyone is encouraged to read the document and prov= ide comments.

 

However, the chairs would also like to ask for at le= ast a couple of volunteers, who commit to thoughtfully reading the document. Please = contact the chairs if You can help with that :)

 

Best regards,

 

Victor & Christer

 

--_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B049018ESESSMB209ericsso_-- From mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com Thu Nov 29 14:19:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E17921F8BF3 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:19:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V3z31kH6pvUN for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:19:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com (mail-la0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD6421F886A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:19:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id d3so12697471lah.31 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:19:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=fvqwnqkg9a4XTA+8DfiMDE9G/UuLYDTnfQ5Itp/abFg=; b=J+NJe8Ll/8vcmm8yAmWG/l4NBcEEWxRGKSbrqO1cMGh0DZAhb7fsHn2yu2k3yaNxrQ czW/wWlljX7cVaWOCsTdXUmeMIhaY+OTgUeipRLG/LKSzwJCmmQjjvuuBqFprPaOwHH9 UTFX23NxdTh/9obMYjp4CLRRdLc9JV8XS20arrTo4c14U8PtJwTulX94GeCTYK9VuF00 Le+LsIFzLG17mMm0KNcvZXmfqb9y3rxUGrIbmIYYvrjtv+yA4ZyFCsPpBfwxJbHwMdbV TtHp0rpOPcHM+xREGHd0bSbECM4us2sW3fKxLhoJesvPp9+f4GQxS0YD0D1rVjwFF4CV 8KDA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.24.104 with SMTP id t8mr3067681lbf.134.1354227580400; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:19:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.62.73 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:19:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B0414B2@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B0414B2@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:19:40 -0600 Message-ID: From: Mary Barnes To: Christer Holmberg , Hadriel Kaplan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b390f7f5adff38804cfa9add0 Cc: "straw-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "straw@ietf.org" , "straw-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [straw] WGLC: for draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00 X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:19:43 -0000 --485b390f7f5adff38804cfa9add0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have reviewed the document and think it is almost ready to progress, but it needs at least one more round of edits, per the following comments. Mary. WGLC Review: draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00 General comments: --------------------------- - A fair number of references need to be added - I've identified many below. - The document discusses Application Servers and PBXs throughout section 3, but those terms aren't described until section 4, so I think at least a forward reference should be added (although, that kindof makes it circular, so maybe adding a generic definition something like the following to the terminology section might be useful) and/or the terminology added to section 1. Minor comments: ----------------------- - Abstract - really could use a bit more intro. I would suggest to borrow some text from the introduction - maybe the first paragraph. - Section 1 - Terminology: -- Remove the reference to RFC 2119. I don't think it's necessary. -- Also, I don't think B2BUA, UAS and UAC need to be defined here. They should just be expanded on the first usage. I would just refer to the definitions in RFC 3261 as you have for RFC 2828. -- Per my comment above - Section 3, 2nd paragraph, last sentence. What is a "one-armed 3rd party call control transcoder"? There is a reference to section 3.1 of RFC 5369, but that doesn't use the "one-armed" terminology. I don't think referring to "one-armed" adds value. I suggest simply removing it. - Section 3.2.2: Add references for SRTP Terminator and RTCP for QoS - Section 3.2.3: Add a reference for MSRP - Section 4.6: Expand P-CSCF and IBCF. Add references to 3GPP architecture and media plane gateway specs. - Section 4.7: Expand S-CSCF. - Section 5: I would suggest to reword something like "The security considerations related to the functionality described in this document are addressed in the relevant references." Nits: ------ - Section 4.2: -- expand VCC & IVR -- last sentence: "Poxy-B2BUA" -> "Proxy-B2BUA" - Section 4.4.: Expand TDM. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Christer Holmberg < christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: > [As co-chair]**** > > ** ** > > Hi,**** > > ** ** > > As indicated in Atlanta, we were going to initiate the *WGLC for > draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00*.**** > > ** ** > > Due to upcoming holidays (Thanksgiving etc) the WGLC will last for 3 > weeks, until *12th December*.**** > > ** ** > > Everyone is encouraged to read the document and provide comments.**** > > ** ** > > However, the chairs would also like to ask for at least a couple of * > volunteers*, who commit to thoughtfully reading the document. Please > contact the chairs if You can help with that :)**** > > ** ** > > Best regards,**** > > ** ** > > Victor & Christer**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > straw mailing list > straw@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw > > --485b390f7f5adff38804cfa9add0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have reviewed the document and think it is almost ready to progress, but = it needs at least one more round of edits, per the following comments.
=
Mary.=A0

WGLC Review:=A0draft-ietf-straw-b2bua= -taxonomy-00

General comments:

-----------------------= ----

- A fair number of refe= rences need to be added - I've identified many below.=A0

- The document discusse= s Application Servers and PBXs throughout section 3, but those terms aren&#= 39;t described until section 4, so I think at least a forward reference sho= uld be added (although, that kindof makes it circular, so maybe adding a ge= neric definition something like the following to the terminology section mi= ght be useful) and/or the terminology added to section 1. =A0



Minor comments:

-----------------------=

- Abstract - really cou= ld use a bit more intro.=A0 I would suggest to borrow some text from the in= troduction - maybe the first paragraph.

- Section 1 - Terminolo= gy:

-- Remove the reference= to RFC 2119.=A0 I don't think it's necessary. =A0

-- Also, I don't th= ink B2BUA, UAS and UAC need to be defined here.=A0 They should just be expa= nded on the first usage. =A0 I would just refer to the definitions in RFC 3= 261 as you have for RFC 2828. =A0

-- Per my comment above=


- Section 3, 2nd paragr= aph, last sentence.=A0 What is a "one-armed 3rd party call control tra= nscoder"?=A0 There is a reference to section 3.1 of RFC 5369, but that= doesn't use the "one-armed" terminology.=A0 I don't thin= k referring to "one-armed" adds value.=A0 I suggest simply removi= ng it.=A0


- Section 3.2.2: Add re= ferences for SRTP Terminator and RTCP for QoS

- Section 3.2.3:=A0 Add= a reference for MSRP

- Section 4.6:=A0 Expan= d P-CSCF and IBCF. Add references to 3GPP architecture and media plane gate= way specs.=A0

- Section 4.7:=A0 Expan= d S-CSCF. =A0


- Section 5:=A0 I would= suggest to reword something like "The security considerations related= to the functionality described in this document are addressed in the relev= ant references."


Nits:

------

- Section 4.2: =A0

-- expand VCC & IVR=

-- last sentence: "= ;Poxy-B2BUA" -> "Proxy-B2BUA"

- Section 4.4.: Expand = TDM.



On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Christer Holmberg <christer.= holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:

[As co-chair]

=A0

Hi,

=A0

As indicated in Atlanta, we were going to initiate t= he WGLC for draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00.

=A0

Due to upcoming holidays (Thanksgiving etc) the WGLC= will last for 3 weeks, until 12th December.

=A0

Everyone is encouraged to read the document and prov= ide comments.

=A0

However, the chairs would also like to ask for at le= ast a couple of volunteers, who commit to thoughtfully reading the document. Please = contact the chairs if You can help with that :)

=A0

Best regards,

=A0

Victor & Christer

=A0


_______________________________________________
straw mailing list
straw@ietf.org
h= ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw


--485b390f7f5adff38804cfa9add0-- From btv1==681499ded3b==vpascual@acmepacket.com Fri Nov 30 03:28:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCD121F86BE for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 03:28:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ABFnpA1hbTFJ for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 03:28:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.acmepacket.com (mx1.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F1121F8673 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 03:28:39 -0800 (PST) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1354274917-03fc200a8e2191a0001-uMHarY Received: from Mail1.acmepacket.com (mail1.acmepacket.com [10.0.0.21]) by barracuda1.acmepacket.com with ESMTP id rHuPPVCkx13poJGm (version=TLSv1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:28:37 -0500 (EST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: vpascual@acmepacket.com Received: from MAIL2.acmepacket.com ([169.254.2.93]) by Mail1.acmepacket.com ([169.254.1.77]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:28:24 -0500 From: Victor Pascual To: "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: STRAW WG status and next steps X-ASG-Orig-Subj: STRAW WG status and next steps Thread-Index: AQHNzu3PqEDirIPttkWESPEHW/o8/Q== Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:28:24 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.4.120824 x-originating-ip: [216.41.24.34] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CCDE56E76BCEvpascualacmepacketcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Barracuda-Connect: mail1.acmepacket.com[10.0.0.21] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1354274917 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: AES128-SHA X-Barracuda-URL: http://spam.acmepacket.com:8000/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at acmepacket.com X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using per-user scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=9.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.115688 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message Subject: [straw] STRAW WG status and next steps X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:29:23 -0000 --_000_CCDE56E76BCEvpascualacmepacketcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [As co-chair] Dear WG, Following is our deliverables list and a quick update for each of them: Dec 2012 - A taxonomy document defining role-types of B2BUAs, as a refere= nce for other deliverables submitted to the IESG as Informational Working group draft (draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00) in WGLC (until 12t= h Dec) Apr 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs with respect = to loop detection/prevention submitted to the IESG as PS Individual draft available (draft-kaplan-straw-b2bua-loop-detection-00) -- = everyone is encouraged to read the document and provide comments Aug 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support end= -to-end and hop-by-hop media-loopback test calls submitted to the IESG as P= S Individual draft available (draft-kaplan-straw-sip-traceroute-00) -- everyo= ne is encouraged to read the document and provide comments Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support DTL= S-SRTP (RFC 5764) end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS TBD Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support STU= N message transactions end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS TBD Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support RTC= P end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS TBD We encourage people to take a look and see for which deliverables they are = interested to contribute, review existing documents and start putting some = draft text together. Our next calls for WG adoption will be on (1)a document for loop detection/= prevention and (2)a document for media-loopback test calls. As seen from th= e list we currently have only one candidate draft for each deliverable. Thanks a lot, Christer and Victor --_000_CCDE56E76BCEvpascualacmepacketcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <507B397A8A9F7A45AF35F690869358E5@acmepacket.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
[As co-chair]

Dear WG,

Following is our deliverables list and a quick update for each of them= :
  Dec 2012 - A taxonomy document defining role-types of =
B2BUAs, as a reference for other deliverables submitted to the IESG as Info=
rmational
Working group draft (d=
raft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00) in WGLC (until 12th Dec)

   Apr 2013 - A documen=
t defining the requirements for B2BUAs with respect to loop detection/preve=
ntion submitted to the IESG as PS


Individual draft available (draft-kaplan-straw-b2bua-loo=
p-detection-00) -- everyone is encouraged to read the document and provide =
comments


  Aug 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2=
BUAs to support end-to-end and hop-by-hop media-loopback test calls submitt=
ed to the IESG as PS


Individual draft available (draft-kaplan-straw-sip-trace=
route-00) -- everyone is encouraged to read the document and provide commen=
ts 


  Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2=
BUAs to support DTLS-SRTP (RFC 5764) end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS


  Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2=
BUAs to support STUN message transactions end-to-end submitted to the IESG =
as PS


  Dec 2013 - A document defining the requirements for B2=
BUAs to support RTCP end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS
We encourage&nb= sp;&nbs= p;to take a look and see for which deliverables they are interested to contribute, review existing documents and start putting = some draft text together.

Our next calls for WG adoption will be on (1)a document for loop detec= tion/prevention and (2)a document for media-loopback test calls. As seen fr= om the list we currently have only one candidate draft for each deliverable= .


Thanks a lot,
Christer and Victor
--_000_CCDE56E76BCEvpascualacmepacketcom_-- From andrew.hutton@siemens-enterprise.com Fri Nov 30 08:56:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9629C21F89BE for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:56:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fQnHjqyP4RHQ for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:56:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from senmx12-mx.siemens-enterprise.com (senmx12-mx.siemens-enterprise.com [62.134.46.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7571D21F8B30 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:56:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from MCHP02HTC.global-ad.net (unknown [172.29.42.235]) by senmx12-mx.siemens-enterprise.com (Server) with ESMTP id CE7A023F04D3; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:56:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from MCHP04MSX.global-ad.net ([169.254.1.206]) by MCHP02HTC.global-ad.net ([172.29.42.235]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:56:49 +0100 From: "Hutton, Andrew" To: Christer Holmberg , "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WGLC: for draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00 Thread-Index: Ac3H6kYbsIfz/xJSSmKTVwJDTm18DAHGnvBQ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:56:49 +0000 Message-ID: <9F33F40F6F2CD847824537F3C4E37DDF0137640A@MCHP04MSX.global-ad.net> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B0414B2@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B0414B2@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.29.42.225] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "straw-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "straw-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [straw] WGLC: for draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00 X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:56:53 -0000 Hi, Some comments on draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00. Generally I don't think the document is too controversial and is close to c= ompletion but I do have some comments that I would like to be addressed. 1. Abstract. Could do with a bit more detail on what a SIP B2BUA actually i= s and the roles it performs the statement "... performing different roles i= n different ways" is I think a bit too vague. Maybe you could mention some= examples includes SBC's and Application Servers. 2. Section 2, 3rd para. ", the odds of a SIP session the odds of a SIP sess= ion crossing such media-plane B2BUAs increases". I am not sure of the relev= ance of "media-plane B2BUAs" in this context. In fact I think it would not = harm to lose this paragraph altogether. 3. Section 3.1 states "This implies it does not modify SDP bodies, although= it may save them and/or operate on other MIME body types". This is incorre= ct and in fact the subsection 3.1.3 describes such a B2BUA which does modif= y SDP. I suggest the following text "A Signaling-plane B2BUA is one that op= erates only on the SIP message protocol layer, and only with SIP messages, = bodies, and headers but not the media itself in any way". The sentence abo= ut other MIME body types can then be removed. 4. Section 3.1.2 and 3.1.3. I am not sure why it is necessary to separate t= he "SDP-Modifying Signaling Only" B2BUA from the "Signaling Only B2BUA". Th= e signaling only B2BUA section states that such a B2B UA may "modify or ins= pect specific MIME bodies," why does it not just include SDP as one of the = MIME types a signaling-only B2BUA may modify? 5. Section 4.1 "SIP PBXs and Softswitches". I don't understand the referenc= e to the UAC & UAS being "connected with a logical PRI loopback;". I don't = think this is really a valid analogy. If it is meant to mean there may be s= ignaling transcoding between the SIP UAS and UAC then that it is what it sh= ould say.=20 6. Section 4.2. "Poxy-B2BUA" -> "Proxy-B2BUA" I assume 7. Section 4.4 The last sentence states: "Some transcoders save and remove SDP offers in INVITEs form the UAC, and w= ait for an offer in the response from the UAS, similar to a 3PCC model; oth= ers just insert additional codecs in SDP offers and only transcode if the i= nserted codec(s) are selected in the answer." I think this goes in to too much detail about how a transcoder might work i= s not necessary and anyway the 3PCC bit sounds like rather dubious practice= which we don't need to say anything about. Regards Andy From: straw-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:straw-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of C= hrister Holmberg Sent: 21 November 2012 13:17 To: straw@ietf.org Cc: straw-chairs@tools.ietf.org; straw-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: [straw] WGLC: for draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00 [As co-chair] Hi, As indicated in Atlanta, we were going to initiate the WGLC for draft-ietf-= straw-b2bua-taxonomy-00. Due to upcoming holidays (Thanksgiving etc) the WGLC will last for 3 weeks,= until 12th December. Everyone is encouraged to read the document and provide comments. However, the chairs would also like to ask for at least a couple of volunte= ers, who commit to thoughtfully reading the document. Please contact the ch= airs if You can help with that :) Best regards, Victor & Christer