From nobody Wed Jan 17 13:10:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F6B12EA52 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:10:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JOHrPgFqs-gI for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:10:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FA1312EA42 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:10:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB60300682 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 16:10:48 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id amM_I-fBETB2 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 16:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from new-host-6.home (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7E39030044B for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 16:10:47 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CD6C3F0F-9EF7-46E0-BD6D-45A26E91CDCC" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 16:10:47 -0500 References: <3D644FA6-2F60-44A5-8E0D-707E014CFA8E@amsl.com> To: suit@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <46647428-4852-48B6-82BA-E77B51D6690B@vigilsec.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [Suit] SUIT IETF 100 Meeting Minutes X-BeenThere: suit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Software Updates for Internet of Things List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 21:10:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_CD6C3F0F-9EF7-46E0-BD6D-45A26E91CDCC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It took us a while to get the minutes posted. They can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-100-suit/ = Please let us know if you find any errors. Russ= --Apple-Mail=_CD6C3F0F-9EF7-46E0-BD6D-45A26E91CDCC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
It took us a while to get the minutes posted.  They can be found here:


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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As we discussed at the last IETF meeting, we plan to hold a SUIT WG virtual= (i.e., WebEx) interim meeting in February. A doodle poll is now up at https://doodle.com/poll/7dbiatttc69q7acw for a s= election of days. The time is the same for all of them, chosen to hopefully accommodate parti= cipants from Europe, North America, and Asia. If you have agenda requests, please send them to suit-chairs@ietf.org Thanks, Dave Thaler WG Co-chair --_000_CY4PR21MB0856F078C1B095F25CADC710A3E20CY4PR21MB0856namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As we discussed at the last IETF meeting, we plan t= o hold a SUIT WG virtual (i.e., WebEx)

interim meeting in February.

 

A doodle poll is now up at https://doodle.com/pol= l/7dbiatttc69q7acw for a selection of days.

The time is the same for all of them, chosen to hop= efully accommodate participants from

Europe, North America, and Asia.<= /p>

 

If you have agenda requests, please send them to suit-chairs@ietf.org

 

Thanks,

Dave Thaler

WG Co-chair

 

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Hi all,

 

we just submitted updates to the manifest and the ar= chitecture documents. Here are the two drafts:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moran-suit-manifes= t-01

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moran-suit-archite= cture-01

 

The architecture document got enhanced to now includ= e a threat analysis, security requirements, user stories, etc. This additio= nal text has been motivated by mailing list discussions late last year. The= text explains the presence of attributes in the manifest and the security mechanisms needed to protect them. <= /o:p>

 

Here is the diff:

https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-moran-suit= -architecture-01

 

The manifest document has only seen editorial update= s, see https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-moran-suit-manifest-01

 

Thanks for the feedback so far.

 

Ciao

Hannes & Brendan

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Thank you. --_000_AM4PR0801MB2706369FB43E3733CB4D21A9FAE50AM4PR0801MB2706_-- From nobody Wed Jan 31 13:26:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9284B126C26 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:26:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HDEDR3iG47Hw for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E1C112FA9F for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E71520093 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2018 16:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2319280222 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2018 16:26:39 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: "suit\@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7-RC3; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Suit] Manifest and architecture drafts updated X-BeenThere: suit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Software Updates for Internet of Things List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 21:26:42 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Hannes Tschofenig wrote: > we just submitted updates to the manifest and the architecture > documents. Here are the two drafts: Wonderful! === Minor quip about suit architecture 3.2, it took me a half a minute to figure out the difference: For an update to be broadcast friendly, it cannot rely on (link layer), (network layer), or (transport layer security). was really: For an update to be broadcast friendly, it cannot rely on (link layer, network layer, or transport layer) security. because I couldn't figure out why we couldn't use link layer networking :-( (The oxford comma neither helped nor hindered). Mayube it should say: For an update to be broadcast friendly, it cannot rely on link layer security (e.g: WEP, 802.1x, 802.15.9), network layer security (e.g. IPsec), or transport layer security (e.g DTLS, TLS) to provide integrity of the information. === re: Minimal bootloader section. Perhaps we should change: Note: This is an implementation requirement. to: While the bootloader requirements are an implementation requirement, the manifest MUST provide an indication as to what bootloader capabilities are required to interpret/validate the image. === This brings up the question about knowing what versions are running on what nodes! I feel that this is unfortunately out of scope. It seems like it out go on a post-it note somewhere for the "recharter-once-we-are-done" list. === should 3.8.1 say: s/Three actors are trusted identified by their public keys./ Three trusted actors are identified by their public keys./ 5. Q: - Is the update older than the active firmware? are we going to standardize the versioning of the firmware such that third parties can reason about the ordering of the firmware? Or is this strictly between the manufacturer and the device? 11.2.1: Old Firmware. I think that in the architecture we need some kind of concept of "trial" upgrade, such new firmware can tried but not yet committed to, from a point of view of roll back prevention. This is related in some way to 11.2.10 (Unqualified firmware), as the operator has to be able to load new firmware in order to qualify it... 11.3.1 (Monotonic Sequence Numbers), seems to provide the mechanism to deal with this, provided that the operator is in control of the sequences, rather than the firmware creator. 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