From nobody Mon Feb 13 10:28:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A053129771 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 10:28:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ICCejATgYa1j for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 10:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt0-x233.google.com (mail-qt0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94E9412973A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 10:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt0-x233.google.com with SMTP id v23so91090833qtb.0 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 10:28:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bTz0BiLKdrTv1zV8yQILbYbEkRpRAm1BZzPgWNfizm8=; b=TwNlFnWEvoum73V05PfTP9mRTc15i62WV0nIUKhdBdzq/OhHpeOZATxIYXLXV8lqJO cKxT754O0nsMIqvb3fvJhuBAfBH9wGwbcbxyGZKTKmgcrOD3Ij/goRMeQ84D7iQXWqwS 5J6jwgjE1V5wIYhL0raCu2JdUZOr6R0ayynnYZm6sEWToCJlgldD4QWpXgimEemjEblZ ZWtwjUcFUUVKu02ZKUhSU87P+FeQGz+QlPaaW0yUJNHpVsL+hCMmGbqEdTX1vt3H4931 FdXD1JEcTFY4vQhWwVxIXbSQzkwTN6z83Y4pL5Rv4h4zRSVus0+ZkRhLJRjFO19zRyz/ YHDw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bTz0BiLKdrTv1zV8yQILbYbEkRpRAm1BZzPgWNfizm8=; b=RfltBuicswQMK+RtRT5v36v5qCHSeacQsisRTM1X0e7JbOolMyQ9wb/lxDpnFFrdZH ox939OWU2uzQxuopQqHBZnEWk1dtC30aZqo4K0Yt75zQ+wYhpkrM+e4REPJ7tg7+7JYq VcddKUupClwJHppIp3WBTar/Vc3QbtKYPOhzwkariuIa4vCCl4i2CKopvlbv2UVWxInF T7e6cLCps5PWvunjpdHy9AUo5ej8kh//PTsIrWmrEc19nedKJSZ0yqZZK0m9bOn3lqRk RWtg5hWSh8SNgzgL5B+sCT7n+o4YVGhPleOLN5MtySMoifdKlwK7qsWIoIhjN2mKUqTH Hb2w== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39moudUV+XYlBayiEUjfvEQbfy66dnNrFcRw989cI2MRoYTs6XVVOoklGbdkySJbxw== X-Received: by 10.237.59.203 with SMTP id s11mr23892722qte.46.1487010519407; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 10:28:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.19.33.129] ([2601:184:4980:a321:881a:2ae6:4859:c421]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o7sm7951280qte.30.2017.02.13.10.28.38 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Feb 2017 10:28:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Aaron Falk" To: "taps WG" Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:28:37 -0500 Message-ID: <43AA247F-8D63-45B3-A110-4446DA4DE3D2@gmail.com> References: <148698111357.24951.8789871690444791715.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; markup=markdown Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.6r5344) Archived-At: Subject: [Taps] Fwd: [irsg] Experimental Breakout Room Layout X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 18:28:50 -0000 Hey TAPS working group- I think this layout would be a good fit for our ‘seminar-style’ discussion. Any objection to trying it in Chicago? —aaron Forwarded message: > From: IETF Agenda > To: Working Group Chairs > Cc: bofchairs@ietf.org, irsg@irtf.org > Subject: [irsg] Experimental Breakout Room Layout > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 02:18:33 -0800 > > Hello Working Group Chairs, > > We will be running an experiment with one breakout room during IETF 98 > on Thursday and Friday of the meeting week. The layout of the meeting > room will have tables in a U-shape facing the projection screen for > about 30 attendees, with theater seating (just chairs) behind the > tables of the U. The room will be able to accommodate about 150 > attendees total. > > If your working group would like to use this experimental layout, > please modify your session request in the 'Special Request' field to > indicate your interest, or send an email to smccammon@amsl.com. The > session request tool will be open until 5pm Pacific time on Wednesday, > February 15th to allow for this. > > Please note that submitting a request for the experimental layout does > not guarantee a session in this room. > > Thank you! 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Mon, 13 Feb 2017 21:23:05 +0000 (GMT) X-AuditID: 1148940d-dc9ff70000001584-92-58a223b6b4d5 Received: from crk-mmpp-sz01 (crk-mmpp-sz01.euro.apple.com [17.66.12.154]) by relay1.euro.apple.com (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 4D.50.29829.4B322A85; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 21:23:02 +0000 (GMT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Received: from nlams2-asavpn-l2tp-17-78-244-220.euro.apple.com (nlams2-asavpn-l2tp-17-78-244-220.euro.apple.com [17.78.244.220]) by crk-mmpp-sz01.euro.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.0 64bit (built Dec 14 2016)) with ESMTPSA id <0OLC00L1M0QBBW70@crk-mmpp-sz01.euro.apple.com>; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 21:23:00 +0000 (GMT) Sender: tpauly@apple.com From: Tommy Pauly In-reply-to: <43AA247F-8D63-45B3-A110-4446DA4DE3D2@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 22:22:59 +0100 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: References: <148698111357.24951.8789871690444791715.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <43AA247F-8D63-45B3-A110-4446DA4DE3D2@gmail.com> To: Aaron Falk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3263) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrOLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi6GTOrbtTeVGEwY6lTBZtv6exWtyJcWDy 2DnrLrvHkiU/mQKYorhsUlJzMstSi/TtErgydt3dxVLwkKdiw8vPTA2Ma7m6GDk5JARMJDZO fMDWxcjFISSwiEmibdNKNpjE3E+bWCESxxklVsxZyQyS4BUQlPgx+R5LFyMHB7OAusSUKbkQ NfeYJJa9a2AEiQsLSEhs3pMIUi4sYCNx+85yFhCbTUBF4vi3DWBjOAVsJd5M3cQMUs4ioCpx 9Y0TSJhZQFpi6bfJjBC2tsSTdxdYQUp4gcZ0zheA2NTAKPF1xg8mkBoRoNZlL9qhTpaV6F44 jRmkSEKgh01i65Ye5gmMwrOQXD0L4epZSFYsYGRexSiem5iZo5uZZ6yXWlqUr5dYUJCTqpec n7uJERTcHlN4dzBeP2h4iFGAg1GJh/eu4qIIIdbEsuLK3EOMEhzMSiK8U38vjBDiTUmsrEot yo8vKs1JLT7EKM3BoiTOW5tiHiEkkJ5YkpqdmlqQWgSTZeLglGpgrFP5WfnvQ6R08tF9HV27 ny73rKtz36TQvvRTenOrzfz887fm82z6+OWbwkeJ9fFvGN08vANEit9lltzVy5+6IXTTvXPb HxyzXRpXxWV8Pivr87+3cfpVK35otET6ptVrfdvfEG1UIlSU+2Kn64sNAru/B09aZhob+t5w za2p6jlZM2+f0Lpqq8RSnJFoqMVcVJwIAHQi2XJqAgAA X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrPLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi6MQzS3eb8qIIg/3bWC3afk9jtbgT48Dk sXPWXXaPJUt+MgUwRXHZpKTmZJalFunbJXBl7Lq7i6XgIU/FhpefmRoY13J1MXJySAiYSMz9 tIm1i5GLQ0jgOKPEijkrmUESvAKCEj8m32PpYuTgYBZQl5gyJRei5h6TxLJ3DYwgcWEBCYnN exJByoUFbCRu31nOAmKzCahIHP+2AWwMp4CtxJupm5hBylkEVCWuvnECCTMLSEss/TaZEcLW lnjy7gIrSAkv0JjO+QIQmxoYJb7O+MEEUiMC1LrsRTsbxMmyEt0LpzFPYBSYheTQWQiHzkIy dQEj8ypG0aLUnMRKQ73U0qJ8vcSCgpxUveT83E2M4GA0597BeHy34SFGAQ5GJR7ePp5FEUKs iWXFlbmHGCU4mJVEeKf+XhghxJuSWFmVWpQfX1Sak1p8iFGag0VJnNf/gHa4kEB6Yklqdmpq QWoRTJaJg1OqgVH2tnM0w6QaY9XLK2K9/TaUrl6eOs26Oqh5a4CJ7OQM2UsTfqzvuye74s37 Gb/+3D4iWrth/5XcSw3/OJUlshazL1iX1afnpve2bmY0216rE0+7/5769SHgmEP7/NycoCc7 1LIFD7cf/sAkpnND6Jd09ep5UV2Vv4vfzHqU9vrd6zvdez1FLdqUWIozEg21mIuKEwGrov7/ QgIAAA== Archived-At: Cc: taps WG Subject: Re: [Taps] [irsg] Experimental Breakout Room Layout X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 21:23:09 -0000 Sounds like a neat idea! Worth a try at least. Tommy > On Feb 13, 2017, at 7:28 PM, Aaron Falk wrote: >=20 > Hey TAPS working group- >=20 > I think this layout would be a good fit for our =E2=80=98seminar-style=E2= =80=99 discussion. Any objection to trying it in Chicago? >=20 > =E2=80=94aaron >=20 > Forwarded message: >=20 >> From: IETF Agenda >> To: Working Group Chairs >> Cc: bofchairs@ietf.org, irsg@irtf.org >> Subject: [irsg] Experimental Breakout Room Layout >> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 02:18:33 -0800 >>=20 >> Hello Working Group Chairs, >>=20 >> We will be running an experiment with one breakout room during IETF = 98 on Thursday and Friday of the meeting week. The layout of the meeting = room will have tables in a U-shape facing the projection screen for = about 30 attendees, with theater seating (just chairs) behind the tables = of the U. The room will be able to accommodate about 150 attendees = total. >>=20 >> If your working group would like to use this experimental layout, = please modify your session request in the 'Special Request' field to = indicate your interest, or send an email to smccammon@amsl.com. The = session request tool will be open until 5pm Pacific time on Wednesday, = February 15th to allow for this. >>=20 >> Please note that submitting a request for the experimental layout = does not guarantee a session in this room. >>=20 >> Thank you! >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Taps mailing list > Taps@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps From nobody Mon Feb 13 13:26:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietf.org Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5AB1293DA; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:26:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.43.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148702118410.25051.16067255427933791161.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:26:24 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: falk-ietf@dgftech.com, taps-chairs@ietf.org, spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com, taps@ietf.org Subject: [Taps] taps - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 98 X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 21:26:24 -0000 An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Aaron Falk, a Chair of the taps working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Transport Services Area Name: Transport Area Session Requester: Aaron Falk Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: maprg dispatch tcpm iccrg tsvwg ippm rmcat aqm tsvarea appsawg apparea quic Second Priority: webpush tcpinc nvo3 mptcp icnrg httpbis irtfopen Third Priority: mmusic tram People who must be present: Aaron Falk Michael Welzl Gorry Fairhurst Spencer Dawkins Brian Trammell Zaheduzzaman Sarker Mirja Kuehlewind Resources Requested: Special Requests: Requesting U-shape room setup. --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Feb 13 13:35:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74309129954 for ; 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Mon, 13 Feb 2017 22:35:43 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Michael Welzl In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 22:35:40 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3F1823CD-36C2-442E-A51C-A0BE1113C189@ifi.uio.no> References: <148698111357.24951.8789871690444791715.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <43AA247F-8D63-45B3-A110-4446DA4DE3D2@gmail.com> To: Tommy Pauly X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) X-UiO-SPF-Received: Received-SPF: neutral (mail-mx06.uio.no: 178.83.155.242 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ifi.uio.no) client-ip=178.83.155.242; envelope-from=michawe@ifi.uio.no; helo=[192.168.11.175]; X-UiO-Ratelimit-Test: rcpts/h 12 msgs/h 4 sum rcpts/h 13 sum msgs/h 4 total rcpts 51858 max rcpts/h 54 ratelimit 0 X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, TVD_RCVD_IP=0.001, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5, uiobl=NO, uiouri=NO) X-UiO-Scanned: ECAB1E1791331187CB0DA4B5AFC7B22E8642CA7F X-UiO-SPAM-Test: remote_host: 178.83.155.242 spam_score: -49 maxlevel 80 minaction 2 bait 0 mail/h: 4 total 5 max/h 4 blacklist 0 greylist 0 ratelimit 0 Archived-At: Cc: Aaron Falk , "taps@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Taps] [irsg] Experimental Breakout Room Layout X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 21:35:47 -0000 +1 > On Feb 13, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Tommy Pauly wrote: >=20 > Sounds like a neat idea! Worth a try at least. >=20 > Tommy >=20 >> On Feb 13, 2017, at 7:28 PM, Aaron Falk wrote: >>=20 >> Hey TAPS working group- >>=20 >> I think this layout would be a good fit for our =E2=80=98seminar-style=E2= =80=99 discussion. Any objection to trying it in Chicago? >>=20 >> =E2=80=94aaron >>=20 >> Forwarded message: >>=20 >>> From: IETF Agenda >>> To: Working Group Chairs >>> Cc: bofchairs@ietf.org, irsg@irtf.org >>> Subject: [irsg] Experimental Breakout Room Layout >>> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 02:18:33 -0800 >>>=20 >>> Hello Working Group Chairs, >>>=20 >>> We will be running an experiment with one breakout room during IETF = 98 on Thursday and Friday of the meeting week. The layout of the meeting = room will have tables in a U-shape facing the projection screen for = about 30 attendees, with theater seating (just chairs) behind the tables = of the U. The room will be able to accommodate about 150 attendees = total. >>>=20 >>> If your working group would like to use this experimental layout, = please modify your session request in the 'Special Request' field to = indicate your interest, or send an email to smccammon@amsl.com. The = session request tool will be open until 5pm Pacific time on Wednesday, = February 15th to allow for this. >>>=20 >>> Please note that submitting a request for the experimental layout = does not guarantee a session in this room. >>>=20 >>> Thank you! >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Taps mailing list >> Taps@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Taps mailing list > Taps@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps From nobody Tue Feb 21 13:15:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA931294D4 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2017 13:15:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a-7VFlkcpMNK for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2017 13:15:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x22d.google.com (mail-qk0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25547129454 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2017 13:15:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id s186so134784595qkb.1 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2017 13:15:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RAMlQ3knqk8zfFgPHaQI0vXCKWX2B9xm4SME4IUgJaM=; b=TgxZM80DsLQO1YKCQUFRRBYOvc+HPW00Q06cHp9kRZm97nf9C5BXX9RBHH0rT5hgoN Ms7uZfh63S1FzM8z39OLbPPeRQg5PYYsPiU059/skcz9/F8HjW+aYCeOSjdaGeTyFm43 GjlRTXFjrsCUQa7xLDbG34B5hzU55fc/NfiRGE0JAG2t2RH4W17VuyoK5t/YtCl0RQFK L+k1+ohvLsCFGgto7kZbIjIoULzpP35jVhdjLfpWdRnGRa1qs9iDKaw/a1Z11v/t3ge9 r3Me5EvVbAjvZ6hiv9oj8biXGsw0KvlhGNoO/MXztrODVrEnB9NUjzK9UEnYyCjhx8Cc vcOQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RAMlQ3knqk8zfFgPHaQI0vXCKWX2B9xm4SME4IUgJaM=; b=Ap0db0ahC7mndbch2OC/gN2aj+8kmxGqbHPhmt6TdcCsO0rH6eutGL65Sgh4mF1paM VWb6XrPa/pStT1I1xLl3PHDNvDJjzmdgZu2LiW974XAHr6AzrvhnL3ZuoeOfmIihWrXx L5Q0EctlCisyyJJzOv6bzhY+oj16aUQYTBMVoCW1VgP0ux3buPwToyvOoSR9il+NP9dE 4mSkkTBkOnRsJMZe0z5WaIJNXmC1rhCr015x4eFfIT7CqzLi6N+YbdaTorgo/ldvDSkN +MCWzA32oCVSeLk2jo52Ph2+rnp3g+61ePZid+j5o/9rGXhaXUxC/QI2FwQ3WxMOpQco Upmw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39kVMLWdVnryBkspSiOlEhuG4FDkSlidzwLY/e7PjDsfIDOFg2RORfgiXvEZ862TdA== X-Received: by 10.55.207.152 with SMTP id v24mr25687683qkl.48.1487711702920; Tue, 21 Feb 2017 13:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.28.13.191] ([2001:4878:8000:60:8c7b:ff97:5e84:9297]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p70sm14736519qke.48.2017.02.21.13.15.01 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Feb 2017 13:15:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Aaron Falk" To: "taps@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 16:15:01 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.6r5347) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Taps] agenda planning for chicago X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 21:15:06 -0000 Picking up on this thread and soliciting agenda items for Chicago. What are the key questions TAPS should be focusing on at this meeting? —aaron On 22 Dec 2016, at 20:16, Michael Welzl wrote: > Hi, > > We NEATers would love to give the presentation that was dropped the > last time. > Other news from my / our side: > - getting closer to the finish line with the -usage draft: quite a lot > of updates already done, one major one due early Jan, then we want to > submit… > - some ideas (thanks to everyone for input at the last meeting! that > was helpful!) for the minset draft, it’s bound to change quite a bit > and hopefully provoke an interesting discussion; for now, the plan is > to also finish that off fast, i.e. maybe in january… > > cheers > Michael > > >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Aaron Falk wrote: >> >> The secretariat has issued the call for wg sessions. It would be >> helpful if we had an early idea of the agenda for a TAPS meeting in >> March. Should we try again to get in the talks on post-sockets and >> NEAT? Are there any other implementation projects that would like to >> present? Any other topics to discuss? >> >> —aaron >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Taps mailing list >> Taps@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps From nobody Tue Feb 21 16:19:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5662129474 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2017 16:19:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KnMAYdHM6W6M for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2017 16:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-out5.uio.no (mail-out5.uio.no [IPv6:2001:700:100:10::17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 591CF129473 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2017 16:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-mx1.uio.no ([129.240.10.29]) by mail-out5.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1cgKeb-0003cj-H4 for taps@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 01:19:33 +0100 Received: from [185.81.138.29] (helo=[192.168.1.171]) by mail-mx1.uio.no with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) user michawe (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1cgKea-0005vu-Le; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 01:19:33 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Michael Welzl In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 01:19:33 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <401F531F-134E-4B4A-8CC8-21633FAE2926@ifi.uio.no> References: To: Aaron Falk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) X-UiO-SPF-Received: Received-SPF: neutral (mail-mx1.uio.no: 185.81.138.29 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ifi.uio.no) client-ip=185.81.138.29; envelope-from=michawe@ifi.uio.no; helo=[192.168.1.171]; X-UiO-Ratelimit-Test: rcpts/h 3 msgs/h 2 sum rcpts/h 3 sum msgs/h 2 total rcpts 52080 max rcpts/h 54 ratelimit 0 X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5, uiobl=NO, uiouri=NO) X-UiO-Scanned: 25D23BD411314654E11E1960E2EBFBEDC76B8557 X-UiO-SPAM-Test: remote_host: 185.81.138.29 spam_score: -49 maxlevel 80 minaction 2 bait 0 mail/h: 2 total 7 max/h 3 blacklist 0 greylist 0 ratelimit 0 Archived-At: Cc: "taps@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Taps] agenda planning for chicago X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 00:19:38 -0000 Hi, I=E2=80=99ll answer with an apology: "early Jan, then=E2=80=9D turned = out differently=E2=80=A6 indeed we=E2=80=99ve been working on the -usage = and -minset docs since fall and did NOT just wait until the last minute! BUT it=E2=80=99s taken so long! It=E2=80=99s just=E2=80=A6 a lot of = stuff. I think we have some interesting suggestions to make, coming out of the = minset draft. I do think these are important next things to discuss - we = should be focusing on charter item 2, what *is* the subset of transport = services that a TAPS system should provide? =46rom the top of my head, I can think of these 3 major questions that = appeared to us when we worked on our drafts: - how do we handle multi-streaming? It seems to us that it shouldn=E2=80=99= t be visible as such, there should be =E2=80=9Cflows=E2=80=9D or = =E2=80=9Cchannels=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cconnections=E2=80=9D or whatever, = with priorities and a notion of groups (could be a float each, assigned = to =E2=80=9Cflows=E2=80=9D as a property) - how do we handle messaging? If, starting from SCTP, we allow only = transport features that can fall-back to TCP (a part of our minset = work), then we end up with some ways to send a message, but we can only = receive a bytestream. This can lead to a nice and uniform and downwards-compatible interface = for the case where a receiving application doesn't need the transport to = tell it where messages begin / end (and that=E2=80=99s the ONLY = limitation!). We came up with this =E2=80=9Capplication-framed = bytestream=E2=80=9D (AFra-Bytestream) concept in NEAT) - what about message sizes? I=E2=80=99m not sure this was fully = resolved on the mailing list=E2=80=A6 Cheers Michael > On Feb 21, 2017, at 10:15 PM, Aaron Falk wrote: >=20 > Picking up on this thread and soliciting agenda items for Chicago. = What are the key questions TAPS should be focusing on at this meeting? >=20 > =E2=80=94aaron >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 22 Dec 2016, at 20:16, Michael Welzl wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> We NEATers would love to give the presentation that was dropped the = last time. >> Other news from my / our side: >> - getting closer to the finish line with the -usage draft: quite a = lot of updates already done, one major one due early Jan, then we want = to submit=E2=80=A6 >> - some ideas (thanks to everyone for input at the last meeting! that = was helpful!) for the minset draft, it=E2=80=99s bound to change quite a = bit and hopefully provoke an interesting discussion; for now, the plan = is to also finish that off fast, i.e. maybe in january=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> cheers >> Michael >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Aaron Falk = wrote: >>>=20 >>> The secretariat has issued the call for wg sessions. It would be = helpful if we had an early idea of the agenda for a TAPS meeting in = March. Should we try again to get in the talks on post-sockets and = NEAT? Are there any other implementation projects that would like to = present? Any other topics to discuss? >>>=20 >>> =E2=80=94aaron >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Taps mailing list >>> Taps@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Taps mailing list > Taps@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps From nobody Wed Feb 22 06:45:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BCC51299AF for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 06:45:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y1ELwyG0AgwX for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 06:45:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gozo.iway.ch (gozo.iway.ch [212.25.24.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD8411299AC for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 06:45:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from gozo.iway.ch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5B1340E47; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 15:45:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ACF/19061.4081); Wed, 22 Feb 2017 15:45:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from switchplus-mail.ch (switchplus-mail.ch [212.25.8.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gozo.iway.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 15:45:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from nb-10604.ethz.ch (account ietf@trammell.ch [82.130.102.91] verified) by switchplus-mail.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.14) with ESMTPSA id 9359779; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 15:45:09 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_51D15411-AC0E-48B8-8A36-51CE0D9E8996"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 15:45:09 +0100 Message-Id: <8A4466B1-C8FA-471F-9E74-D681287A3257@trammell.ch> References: To: Aaron Falk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "taps@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Taps] agenda planning for chicago X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 14:45:12 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_51D15411-AC0E-48B8-8A36-51CE0D9E8996 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 hi Aaron, Seconding Tommy: we'll (finally) have a = draft-trammell-taps-post-sockets-00 out before Chicago. We should report = out of an author's meeting we had in Z=C3=BCrich last week, and figure = out what (if anything) we'd like to do with the document in the WG. Cheers, Brian > On 21 Feb 2017, at 22:15, Aaron Falk wrote: >=20 > Picking up on this thread and soliciting agenda items for Chicago. = What are the key questions TAPS should be focusing on at this meeting? >=20 > =E2=80=94aaron >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 22 Dec 2016, at 20:16, Michael Welzl wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> We NEATers would love to give the presentation that was dropped the = last time. >> Other news from my / our side: >> - getting closer to the finish line with the -usage draft: quite a = lot of updates already done, one major one due early Jan, then we want = to submit=E2=80=A6 >> - some ideas (thanks to everyone for input at the last meeting! that = was helpful!) for the minset draft, it=E2=80=99s bound to change quite a = bit and hopefully provoke an interesting discussion; for now, the plan = is to also finish that off fast, i.e. maybe in january=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> cheers >> Michael >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Aaron Falk = wrote: >>>=20 >>> The secretariat has issued the call for wg sessions. It would be = helpful if we had an early idea of the agenda for a TAPS meeting in = March. Should we try again to get in the talks on post-sockets and = NEAT? Are there any other implementation projects that would like to = present? Any other topics to discuss? >>>=20 >>> =E2=80=94aaron >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Taps mailing list >>> Taps@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Taps mailing list > Taps@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps --Apple-Mail=_51D15411-AC0E-48B8-8A36-51CE0D9E8996 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJYraP1AAoJEIoSt78L6kajROgP/jLMYow/Ux8u+9A4hBE60amH E84F1izbldRXS0hiUsB8a/KhzySrhUkRmICr7GytlTm1TkLUSqKMDot/E99sOwpX IrckGTZ4y4yTbMpqN1fBu36UCrqEQqlutUwD3LbetgvsyLl62rVU+D2hhKljz+OY RQ6tdlzCopwMUovr1iI/XsPdxr4BB4nHmKyYXbMDDwMRIapd2LSmUahPvoqP8mhY B5Usi53uyH3skVsLOsM0lezjCcdbtOcK0WTxErqdF4YyK44UFZXvZgqXNutkdNJ/ NFnlNLOA3l6c+cUOGi7pnY1ZOJggDCm3nn+kfUvXDiWjO9+Ej7Nzrwi5YuXQAzTU UJA4OKeuN7KJwtg7cEpyLKTc9btxxMy8bpUf0SoWRO+t+kJrhXEWUYyo7nieji5J wDPRHn44FTGvj/Z5lKWJ42IAF0DcGA0zXF8VIE/bWGzh5IQtobRQzzw0kxbrNGa2 zLDtaVXMzEk8s77mAHYRIMRKolmPu70v8ubaIDgjOEG5FyxqF3miIIPDTN+Ui+XY iiHLZbNzIGt9W85GI3d9zepivA4VD8LKjL2at4KcXoznOpnLon9tTX0FV9aIRfgk C2nQGWkhirJ4D3qwyy690UTwofno7OoElSnAY9I12nTH21+jaE/o9TbOo4k4qxU3 MNyxKtSC+8qlY9X/J5Ii =XJnw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_51D15411-AC0E-48B8-8A36-51CE0D9E8996-- From nobody Wed Feb 22 06:54:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C79C1299BE for ; 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Wed, 22 Feb 2017 06:54:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.19.35.26] ([2001:4878:8000:60:dc20:6dbc:de1e:c93c]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 53sm793290qtm.69.2017.02.22.06.54.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Feb 2017 06:54:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Aaron Falk" To: "Michael Welzl" , "taps@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:54:19 -0500 Message-ID: <4A670EAC-538D-46D2-A6B7-CFFA1839D409@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <401F531F-134E-4B4A-8CC8-21633FAE2926@ifi.uio.no> References: <401F531F-134E-4B4A-8CC8-21633FAE2926@ifi.uio.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.6r5347) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Taps] agenda planning for chicago X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 14:54:29 -0000 Trimming for focus… >> >> What are the key questions TAPS should be focusing on at this >> meeting? >> > I can think of these 3 major questions that appeared to us when we > worked on our drafts: > > - how do we handle multi-streaming? > - how do we handle messaging? > - what about message sizes? These seem like good discussion topics. Who would like to lead a short discussion on each? —aaron From nobody Wed Feb 22 07:52:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietf.org Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24FA129A37; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 07:52:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.45.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148777876390.12106.17272454890805944793.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 07:52:43 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: taps-chairs@ietf.org, spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com, smccammon@amsl.com, taps@ietf.org Subject: [Taps] taps - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 98 X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 15:52:44 -0000 An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Stephanie McCammon, on behalf of the taps working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Transport Services Area Name: Transport Area Session Requester: Stephanie McCammon Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: maprg dispatch tcpm iccrg tsvwg ippm rmcat aqm tsvarea appsawg apparea quic Second Priority: webpush tcpinc nvo3 mptcp icnrg httpbis irtfopen Third Priority: mmusic tram People who must be present: Aaron Falk Michael Welzl Gorry Fairhurst Spencer Dawkins Brian Trammell Zaheduzzaman Sarker Mirja Kuehlewind Resources Requested: Special Requests: Requesting U-shape room setup. Monday to Wednesday --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Thu Feb 23 00:55:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FEA129E13 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 00:55:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kBZRRFu1n5IQ for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 00:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-out02.uio.no (mail-out02.uio.no [IPv6:2001:700:100:8210::71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 292CE129688 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 00:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-mx3.uio.no ([129.240.10.44]) by mail-out02.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1cgpB4-0005RD-VQ for taps@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 09:55:06 +0100 Received: from [185.81.138.27] (helo=[192.168.1.171]) by mail-mx3.uio.no with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) user michawe (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1cgpB4-0002lX-EB; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 09:55:06 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Michael Welzl In-Reply-To: <4A670EAC-538D-46D2-A6B7-CFFA1839D409@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 09:55:10 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6228C73C-9EA2-4AAA-AE53-5CE386EBC5CA@ifi.uio.no> References: <401F531F-134E-4B4A-8CC8-21633FAE2926@ifi.uio.no> <4A670EAC-538D-46D2-A6B7-CFFA1839D409@gmail.com> To: Aaron Falk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) X-UiO-SPF-Received: Received-SPF: neutral (mail-mx3.uio.no: 185.81.138.27 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ifi.uio.no) client-ip=185.81.138.27; envelope-from=michawe@ifi.uio.no; helo=[192.168.1.171]; X-UiO-Ratelimit-Test: rcpts/h 2 msgs/h 1 sum rcpts/h 3 sum msgs/h 2 total rcpts 52085 max rcpts/h 54 ratelimit 0 X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5, uiobl=NO, uiouri=NO) X-UiO-Scanned: 200119860C1391F7EEBD080222BCD9F9433737AC X-UiO-SPAM-Test: remote_host: 185.81.138.27 spam_score: -49 maxlevel 80 minaction 2 bait 0 mail/h: 1 total 19 max/h 3 blacklist 0 greylist 0 ratelimit 0 Archived-At: Cc: "taps@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Taps] agenda planning for chicago X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 08:55:11 -0000 > On Feb 22, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Aaron Falk wrote: >=20 > Trimming for focus=E2=80=A6 >=20 >>>=20 >>> What are the key questions TAPS should be focusing on at this = meeting? >>>=20 >> I can think of these 3 major questions that appeared to us when we = worked on our drafts: >>=20 >> - how do we handle multi-streaming? >> - how do we handle messaging? >> - what about message sizes? >=20 > These seem like good discussion topics. Who would like to lead a = short discussion on each? I=E2=80=99d volunteer for all 3. Priority order: 1. messaging - I=E2=80=99d really like to lead the discussion on this = one 2. multi-streaming 3. message sizes - this one I feel the least secure about. 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CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello TAPS, I posted an information draft a little bit ago that goes more into depth on the presentation I gave in Seoul about the requirements that protocol racing, etc, have on API design. It focuses on the ways in which API models can cause protocol ossification and stagnation, and how we can try to avoid this by making our APIs sufficiently flexible. I see this mainly as an information document to use as a reference as we are working on Post-Sockets and other API efforts. Please take a read through it, and let me know your feedback! If the WG would like to adopt this, I'd be happy to continue working on it. Best, Tommy > Begin forwarded message: > > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-pauly-taps-guidelines-00.txt > Date: February 7, 2017 at 4:05:58 PM PST > To: Tommy Pauly > > > A new version of I-D, draft-pauly-taps-guidelines-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Tommy Pauly and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-pauly-taps-guidelines > Revision: 00 > Title: Software Guidelines for Protocol Evolution > Document date: 2017-02-07 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 14 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-pauly-taps-guidelines-00.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pauly-taps-guidelines/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pauly-taps-guidelines-00 > > > Abstract: > This document outlines a set of recommendations and guidelines for > how networking software should be designed to enable the development, > testing, and deployment of new protocols and protocol features. The > focus is primarily on the API contract that a client-side networking > library should present to applications using networking features, and > how that library can be architected to maximize flexibility and > longevity. > > Specific areas of protocol development that should be enabled > include: > > o Making security and privacy easy to use > > o Reducing latency with 0-RTT protocols > > o Allowing wider use of multi-stream protocols > > o Providing a simple interface for multi-path protocols > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > --Boundary_(ID_4UwdCYKN7QzuQhSXjHzjmQ) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello TAPS,

I posted an information draft a little bit ago that goes more = into depth on the presentation I gave in Seoul about the requirements = that protocol racing, etc, have on API design. It focuses on the ways in = which API models can cause protocol ossification and stagnation, and how = we can try to avoid this by making our APIs sufficiently = flexible.

I = see this mainly as an information document to use as a reference as we = are working on Post-Sockets and other API efforts. Please take a read = through it, and let me know your feedback! If the WG would like to adopt = this, I'd be happy to continue working on it.

Best,
Tommy

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From: = internet-drafts@ietf.org
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Date: = February 7, 2017 at 4:05:58 PM = PST
To: = Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com>

A new version of I-D, draft-pauly-taps-guidelines-00.txt
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Name: = draft-pauly-taps-guidelines
Revision: 00
Title:= = Software Guidelines for Protocol Evolution
Document = date: = 2017-02-07
Group: Individual Submission
Pages:= = 14
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-pauly-taps-guideline= s-00.txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pauly-taps-guidelines/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pauly-taps-guidelines-00<= br class=3D"">

Abstract:
=   This document outlines a set of recommendations and = guidelines for
  how networking software should = be designed to enable the development,
=   testing, and deployment of new protocols and protocol = features.  The
  focus is primarily on the = API contract that a client-side networking
=   library should present to applications using networking = features, and
  how that library can be = architected to maximize flexibility and
=   longevity.

=   Specific areas of protocol development that should be = enabled
  include:

=   o  Making security and privacy easy to use

  o  Reducing latency with = 0-RTT protocols

  o =  Allowing wider use of multi-stream protocols

  o  Providing a simple interface for = multi-path protocols




Please note that it may take a couple of = minutes from the time of submission
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= --Boundary_(ID_4UwdCYKN7QzuQhSXjHzjmQ)-- From nobody Thu Feb 23 10:05:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F46412A22B for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:05:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=apple.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K-gIpLpWTv_l for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-in5.apple.com (mail-out5.apple.com [17.151.62.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6DB6129A6B for ; 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Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:05:56 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11973e13-51c269a0000058a0-fc-58af2484b3c8 Received: from nwk-mmpp-sz09.apple.com (nwk-mmpp-sz09.apple.com [17.128.115.80]) by relay5.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 28.E9.05881.4842FA85; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:05:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Received: from da0602a-dhcp185.apple.com (da0602a-dhcp185.apple.com [17.226.23.185]) by nwk-mmpp-sz09.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170210 64bit (built Feb 10 2017)) with ESMTPSA id <0OLU00KPIA9WWY10@nwk-mmpp-sz09.apple.com>; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:05:56 -0800 (PST) Sender: tpauly@apple.com From: Tommy Pauly In-reply-to: <6228C73C-9EA2-4AAA-AE53-5CE386EBC5CA@ifi.uio.no> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:05:56 -0800 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <4E1FA23C-D49E-45F6-8382-98E251299DB1@apple.com> References: <401F531F-134E-4B4A-8CC8-21633FAE2926@ifi.uio.no> <4A670EAC-538D-46D2-A6B7-CFFA1839D409@gmail.com> <6228C73C-9EA2-4AAA-AE53-5CE386EBC5CA@ifi.uio.no> To: Michael Welzl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3263) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrILMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FAYoduisj7C4NV6TYu239NYLX6c3clq cSfGgdlj56y77B5Llvxk8li9+iFzAHMUl01Kak5mWWqRvl0CV8b8+7wFJzkrlh1+wdbAeI69 i5GTQ0LAROLy5yOMXYxcHEICexkldu9fDJTgAEssvcQLET/IKLF66XxmkAZeAUGJH5PvsYDU MAuoS0yZkgtRs5ZJonvzVUaQuLCAhMTmPYkg5cIC+hLfdr1mA7HZBFQkjn/bADaGU8BOYu2i Y2A2i4CqRPf9rawgNrOAm8STvpMsELa2xJN3F1gh1tpI3H3zH+rOfUwSL6e/AWsWEVCTOLF8 NRvEM7IS3QunMYMUSQjsYZO4+vMX0wRG4VlI7p6FcPcsJDsWMDKvYhTKTczM0c3MM9VLLCjI SdVLzs/dxAgK8+l2wjsYT6+yOsQowMGoxMPb8WJdhBBrYllxZe4hRmkOFiVx3nkCQCGB9MSS 1OzU1ILUovii0pzU4kOMTBycUg2MEZk1vCvOzo0/rFlq+b/S7daZ5o4XP8rmxK+8uLQ8TmmR qta0n29maa6++/S9lZtOlabr2UkztkueaxZetYexYI6ZgNnXQ3K/T+tM0DANf9bS/6Bh/owz cXdlNZuaeNY88NkzWXfbWYfX3SdPPrvjVZFVMrfiavSpX665hgKP6u1WXfnwUHaFuxJLcUai oRZzUXEiACVuTsJUAgAA X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupgkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42IRbCgO0G1RWR9hcO6YgkXb72msFj/O7mS1 uBPjwOyxc9Zddo8lS34yeaxe/ZA5gDmKyyYlNSezLLVI3y6BK2P+fd6Ck5wVyw6/YGtgPMfe xcjBISFgIrH0Em8XIyeQKSZx4d56ti5GLg4hgYOMEquXzmcGSfAKCEr8mHyPBaSeWUBdYsqU XIiatUwS3ZuvMoLEhQUkJDbvSQQpFxbQl/i26zUbiM0moCJx/NsGsDGcAnYSaxcdA7NZBFQl uu9vZQWxmQXcJJ70nWSBsLUlnry7wAqx1kbi7pv/jBC79jFJvJz+BqxZREBN4sTy1WwQR8tK dC+cxjyBUXAWklNnIZw6C8nYBYzMqxgFilJzEitN9RILCnJS9ZLzczcxgsO1MGIH4/9lVocY BTgYlXh4O16sixBiTSwrrsw9xCjBwawkwnvsG1CINyWxsiq1KD++qDQntfgQYzLQMxOZpUST 84GxlFcSb2hiYmBibGxmbGxuYk6asJI4bwg30AqB9MSS1OzU1ILUIpgtTBycUg2MM9Kcud7F br940fHUqxuv+MVe57D7/HiYUB9WyFRqwO6+8n79PGnntJlMF/kjJG7eZFVo27rFWuSe43HT BPlH+Ss8TQI/3pklc3dtW866KvZ9CTZyT8LiM/i0eZnM232v3VaInpPilhu8SFxx+3vZf09+ zrghwLBqw+ptV2I+lG/4G6one/6sEktxRqKhFnNRcSIA7WYVyZsCAAA= Archived-At: Cc: Aaron Falk , "taps@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Taps] agenda planning for chicago X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:05:58 -0000 > On Feb 23, 2017, at 12:55 AM, Michael Welzl = wrote: >=20 >=20 >> On Feb 22, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Aaron Falk wrote: >>=20 >> Trimming for focus=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> What are the key questions TAPS should be focusing on at this = meeting? >>>>=20 >>> I can think of these 3 major questions that appeared to us when we = worked on our drafts: >>>=20 >>> - how do we handle multi-streaming? >>> - how do we handle messaging? >>> - what about message sizes? >>=20 >> These seem like good discussion topics. Who would like to lead a = short discussion on each? >=20 > I=E2=80=99d volunteer for all 3. Priority order: > 1. messaging - I=E2=80=99d really like to lead the discussion on this = one > 2. multi-streaming I'd like to volunteer to lead the discussion about how to handle multi = streaming protocols. We've been working on that and giving it a lot of = thought for our protocol stack. Thanks, Tommy > 3. message sizes - this one I feel the least secure about. >=20 > Cheers, > Michael >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Taps mailing list > Taps@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps From nobody Thu Feb 23 10:33:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61827129695 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:33:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Af9quJueUnI2 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-out01.uio.no (mail-out01.uio.no [IPv6:2001:700:100:10::50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 484551295F3 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-mx3.uio.no ([129.240.10.44]) by mail-out01.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1cgyCQ-0007mh-4Y for taps@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 19:33:06 +0100 Received: from [185.81.136.25] (helo=[192.168.1.171]) by mail-mx3.uio.no with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) user michawe (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1cgyCP-0006pZ-FB; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 19:33:06 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Michael Welzl In-Reply-To: <4E1FA23C-D49E-45F6-8382-98E251299DB1@apple.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 19:33:02 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <401F531F-134E-4B4A-8CC8-21633FAE2926@ifi.uio.no> <4A670EAC-538D-46D2-A6B7-CFFA1839D409@gmail.com> <6228C73C-9EA2-4AAA-AE53-5CE386EBC5CA@ifi.uio.no> <4E1FA23C-D49E-45F6-8382-98E251299DB1@apple.com> To: Tommy Pauly X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) X-UiO-SPF-Received: Received-SPF: neutral (mail-mx3.uio.no: 185.81.136.25 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ifi.uio.no) client-ip=185.81.136.25; envelope-from=michawe@ifi.uio.no; helo=[192.168.1.171]; X-UiO-Ratelimit-Test: rcpts/h 3 msgs/h 1 sum rcpts/h 4 sum msgs/h 1 total rcpts 52099 max rcpts/h 54 ratelimit 0 X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5, uiobl=NO, uiouri=NO) X-UiO-Scanned: FC612EE6EC1B3CDE4A061B5B263E5AC03FA217D8 X-UiO-SPAM-Test: remote_host: 185.81.136.25 spam_score: -49 maxlevel 80 minaction 2 bait 0 mail/h: 1 total 2 max/h 1 blacklist 0 greylist 0 ratelimit 0 Archived-At: Cc: Aaron Falk , "taps@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Taps] agenda planning for chicago X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:33:10 -0000 > On Feb 23, 2017, at 7:05 PM, Tommy Pauly wrote: >=20 >=20 >> On Feb 23, 2017, at 12:55 AM, Michael Welzl = wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Aaron Falk = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Trimming for focus=E2=80=A6 >>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> What are the key questions TAPS should be focusing on at this = meeting? >>>>>=20 >>>> I can think of these 3 major questions that appeared to us when we = worked on our drafts: >>>>=20 >>>> - how do we handle multi-streaming? >>>> - how do we handle messaging? >>>> - what about message sizes? >>>=20 >>> These seem like good discussion topics. Who would like to lead a = short discussion on each? >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99d volunteer for all 3. Priority order: >> 1. messaging - I=E2=80=99d really like to lead the discussion on this = one >> 2. multi-streaming >=20 > I'd like to volunteer to lead the discussion about how to handle multi = streaming protocols. We've been working on that and giving it a lot of = thought for our protocol stack. Speaking as someone who volunteered for the same: I=E2=80=99d be = absolutely fine with that. Cheers, Michael From nobody Thu Feb 23 10:59:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BEF1295B7 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:59:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dTCq7vS4NzlE for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt0-x233.google.com (mail-qt0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 458841298AD for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt0-x233.google.com with SMTP id n21so50870qta.1 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:59:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SgqNnZ3g7Gs+nuj+U3PuYSnnK2EJ+D572MXnay5RCM0=; b=PbobgHAQUSNi4495ba3LjlA7v5g1E6+6YFm0XwRnyo+aheS1zjAFpIVD+RCTH3vgmy CFg0jGKfVRhYt1Yee+s/H8cK9Wj20pCsJ5u07PJMXWWWvxpuxxw4p0f7r0mPZ3IGxjpM SnYhT2iJlUTu+JqTjc4fql3iHmUEXVO14dYnZpVc8cBaymDbgh4B4X1b6bVD05HhtppD T3IZe0sJna0YkK3tNkIzPH3GwWCaZjG/YWCKrb3DDcIq/5EpCnYnraBj3J48m5NvSR/N R/M8hj/R2mcg7Hqb3Ol65z0i1WMvIi8/XOEV2N18Rnh2zCCAQsOqTtdFAga3uWIvVUb6 Viog== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SgqNnZ3g7Gs+nuj+U3PuYSnnK2EJ+D572MXnay5RCM0=; b=p6uuOipR9hbQWF9pjjq541G2UnEVr+HNrBofgxwn57/jXGsy4sUrhaWeHREtUoOanf oXqAxZA5Djf+nrVsR23GCPXXF2yvzTuEVdjFwNm+VMPhHkUul5I4m9zGA+QsGdMa+0LX cvokcVvduXydyMclEIll70w0zEzI5yuEmzHn575FLlJGNSUBz8pVlZMPZychMzivElsH u5C4VzNxyk3jhrT39us/UoGQv3FE+HMTfQTMRdgDNSBTWABjmQi/WGDgkpNB8Y+ZV80B 9eJbGbVG1mBlLzbY3qwxFAUuSOzmS5M4cWYLY4Zs2UFXt6/Z79McQPGNQk+eoBpBW0Im Zn1A== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39n1glDdFrdNRgSTLb/NVAErkkRivP+pC0LsKD5RvPapxR/h+AR5Zk7s9szW/P4YIQ== X-Received: by 10.200.46.123 with SMTP id s56mr41358989qta.8.1487876375293; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:59:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.19.32.83] ([2001:4878:8000:60:c5c4:4dba:9b2c:eac0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e16sm3198632qkj.64.2017.02.23.10.59.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:59:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Aaron Falk" To: "Michael Welzl" Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 13:59:32 -0500 Message-ID: <9E331252-3914-4582-BEE9-A7A1EDCF7F11@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <401F531F-134E-4B4A-8CC8-21633FAE2926@ifi.uio.no> <4A670EAC-538D-46D2-A6B7-CFFA1839D409@gmail.com> <6228C73C-9EA2-4AAA-AE53-5CE386EBC5CA@ifi.uio.no> <4E1FA23C-D49E-45F6-8382-98E251299DB1@apple.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.6r5347) Archived-At: Cc: Tommy Pauly , "taps@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Taps] agenda planning for chicago X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:59:37 -0000 On 23 Feb 2017, at 13:33, Michael Welzl wrote: >> On Feb 23, 2017, at 7:05 PM, Tommy Pauly wrote: >>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 12:55 AM, Michael Welzl >>> wrote: >>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Aaron Falk >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Trimming for focus… >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What are the key questions TAPS should be focusing on at this >>>>>> meeting? >>>>>> >>>>> I can think of these 3 major questions that appeared to us when we >>>>> worked on our drafts: >>>>> >>>>> - how do we handle multi-streaming? >>>>> - how do we handle messaging? >>>>> - what about message sizes? >>>> >>>> These seem like good discussion topics. Who would like to lead a >>>> short discussion on each? >>> >>> I’d volunteer for all 3. Priority order: >>> 1. messaging - I’d really like to lead the discussion on this one >>> 2. multi-streaming >> >> I'd like to volunteer to lead the discussion about how to handle >> multi streaming protocols. We've been working on that and giving it a >> lot of thought for our protocol stack. > > Speaking as someone who volunteered for the same: I’d be absolutely > fine with that. > So, seems like we still could use someone to lead a discussion about message sizes. I confess I don’t recall what the concern is. Michael, can you expand a little? —aaron From nobody Thu Feb 23 15:06:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF91129B9B for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 15:06:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1EElTX56FVyL for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 15:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-out5.uio.no (mail-out5.uio.no [IPv6:2001:700:100:10::17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5144129C2F for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2017 15:05:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-mx2.uio.no ([129.240.10.30]) by mail-out5.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1ch2SR-0006ST-5i; Fri, 24 Feb 2017 00:05:55 +0100 Received: from [185.81.136.25] (helo=[192.168.1.171]) by mail-mx2.uio.no with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) user michawe (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ch2SQ-0004xg-7N; Fri, 24 Feb 2017 00:05:55 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Michael Welzl In-Reply-To: <9E331252-3914-4582-BEE9-A7A1EDCF7F11@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 00:05:51 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <35698E48-BE29-4341-87A4-F6922C2AA292@ifi.uio.no> References: <401F531F-134E-4B4A-8CC8-21633FAE2926@ifi.uio.no> <4A670EAC-538D-46D2-A6B7-CFFA1839D409@gmail.com> <6228C73C-9EA2-4AAA-AE53-5CE386EBC5CA@ifi.uio.no> <4E1FA23C-D49E-45F6-8382-98E251299DB1@apple.com> <9E331252-3914-4582-BEE9-A7A1EDCF7F11@gmail.com> To: Aaron Falk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) X-UiO-SPF-Received: Received-SPF: neutral (mail-mx2.uio.no: 185.81.136.25 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ifi.uio.no) client-ip=185.81.136.25; envelope-from=michawe@ifi.uio.no; helo=[192.168.1.171]; X-UiO-Ratelimit-Test: rcpts/h 3 msgs/h 1 sum rcpts/h 4 sum msgs/h 1 total rcpts 52110 max rcpts/h 54 ratelimit 0 X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5, uiobl=NO, uiouri=NO) X-UiO-Scanned: 5DBD3B5736D24687D97FDB1E88D15D3B0C47FF80 X-UiO-SPAM-Test: remote_host: 185.81.136.25 spam_score: -49 maxlevel 80 minaction 2 bait 0 mail/h: 1 total 9 max/h 5 blacklist 0 greylist 0 ratelimit 0 Archived-At: Cc: Tommy Pauly , "taps@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Taps] agenda planning for chicago X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 23:06:00 -0000 > On Feb 23, 2017, at 7:59 PM, Aaron Falk wrote: >=20 > On 23 Feb 2017, at 13:33, Michael Welzl wrote: >>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 7:05 PM, Tommy Pauly wrote: >>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 12:55 AM, Michael Welzl = wrote: >>>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Aaron Falk = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Trimming for focus=E2=80=A6 >>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> What are the key questions TAPS should be focusing on at this = meeting? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I can think of these 3 major questions that appeared to us when = we worked on our drafts: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> - how do we handle multi-streaming? >>>>>> - how do we handle messaging? >>>>>> - what about message sizes? >>>>>=20 >>>>> These seem like good discussion topics. Who would like to lead a = short discussion on each? >>>>=20 >>>> I=E2=80=99d volunteer for all 3. Priority order: >>>> 1. messaging - I=E2=80=99d really like to lead the discussion on = this one >>>> 2. multi-streaming >>>=20 >>> I'd like to volunteer to lead the discussion about how to handle = multi streaming protocols. We've been working on that and giving it a = lot of thought for our protocol stack. >>=20 >> Speaking as someone who volunteered for the same: I=E2=80=99d be = absolutely fine with that. >>=20 >=20 > So, seems like we still could use someone to lead a discussion about = message sizes. I confess I don=E2=80=99t recall what the concern is. = Michael, can you expand a little? UDP applications (at least) sometimes need to know the PMTU - e.g. that = was on the list of things a latency-critical application needs, = presented by Colin at the last meeting. The PMTU is a per-path property. Should a TAPS system be fully aware of = a physical path? If so, consider: the PMTU is including all headers - so = the message size that fits in will be different for v4 and v6. For the real message size that fits in, subtract the UDP header too. = Then we=E2=80=99re dependent on layers 3 AND 4 =E2=80=A6 not how a TAPS = system should be! Yet, for apps that want to do PMTUD (common above = UDP), an app *must* be able to send a packet exceeding the MTU=E2=80=A6 = how should all this be handled / exposed in a TAPS system? Cheers, Michael From nobody Mon Feb 27 14:56:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81866129447 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:56:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id URYnyfwhCikC for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nasse.dc.kau.se (smtp.kau.se [193.10.220.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D616812944E for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:56:00 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Processed: mail.kau.se, Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:55:53 +0100 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDRemoteIP: 213.113.180.87 X-MDArrival-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:55:53 +0100 X-Authenticated-Sender: anna.brunstrom@kau.se X-Return-Path: anna.brunstrom@kau.se X-Envelope-From: anna.brunstrom@kau.se X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: taps@ietf.org To: taps@ietf.org References: From: Anna Brunstrom Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:55:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Taps] agenda planning for chicago X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 22:56:04 -0000 Hi Aaron, all, We would like to give an update on our work on happy eyeballs. We plan to submit an updated draft before the meeting cut-off. Cheers, Anna On 2017-02-21 22:15, Aaron Falk wrote: > Picking up on this thread and soliciting agenda items for Chicago. > What are the key questions TAPS should be focusing on at this meeting? > > —aaron > > > > > On 22 Dec 2016, at 20:16, Michael Welzl wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We NEATers would love to give the presentation that was dropped the >> last time. >> Other news from my / our side: >> - getting closer to the finish line with the -usage draft: quite a >> lot of updates already done, one major one due early Jan, then we >> want to submit… >> - some ideas (thanks to everyone for input at the last meeting! that >> was helpful!) for the minset draft, it’s bound to change quite a bit >> and hopefully provoke an interesting discussion; for now, the plan is >> to also finish that off fast, i.e. maybe in january… >> >> cheers >> Michael >> >> >>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Aaron Falk wrote: >>> >>> The secretariat has issued the call for wg sessions. It would be >>> helpful if we had an early idea of the agenda for a TAPS meeting in >>> March. Should we try again to get in the talks on post-sockets and >>> NEAT? Are there any other implementation projects that would like >>> to present? Any other topics to discuss? >>> >>> —aaron >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Taps mailing list >>> Taps@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps > > _______________________________________________ > Taps mailing list > Taps@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps From nobody Tue Feb 28 03:32:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6332129535 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 03:32:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tBPqIrmJJmNM for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 03:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-out01.uio.no (mail-out01.uio.no [IPv6:2001:700:100:10::50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC1E5129533 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 03:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-mx05.uio.no ([129.240.10.49]) by mail-out01.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1cig1F-0001oM-PF for taps@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 12:32:37 +0100 Received: from boomerang.ifi.uio.no ([129.240.68.135]) by mail-mx05.uio.no with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) user michawe (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1cig1F-000DYj-4T for taps@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 12:32:37 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: Michael Welzl In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 12:32:36 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: "taps@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-UiO-SPF-Received: Received-SPF: neutral (mail-mx05.uio.no: 129.240.68.135 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ifi.uio.no) client-ip=129.240.68.135; envelope-from=michawe@ifi.uio.no; helo=boomerang.ifi.uio.no; X-UiO-Ratelimit-Test: rcpts/h 1 msgs/h 1 sum rcpts/h 11 sum msgs/h 5 total rcpts 52192 max rcpts/h 54 ratelimit 0 X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, AWL=0.052, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5, uiobl=NO, uiouri=NO) X-UiO-Scanned: D49D0B584A3EE88C10FC46FA19F90DCC45004B22 X-UiO-SPAM-Test: remote_host: 129.240.68.135 spam_score: -48 maxlevel 80 minaction 2 bait 0 mail/h: 1 total 12420 max/h 21 blacklist 0 greylist 0 ratelimit 0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Taps] agenda planning for chicago X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 11:32:42 -0000 Hi, Also from us - on top of the discussion items, there will be updates of = our drafts to present: draft-ietf-taps-transports-usage-03 (to be submitted): 10-15 mins if = possible, Naeem Khademi or myself draft-gjessing-taps-minset-04 (to be submitted): 10-15 mins if = possible, Stein Gjessing Cheers, Michael > On 27 Feb 2017, at 23:55, Anna Brunstrom = wrote: >=20 > Hi Aaron, all, >=20 > We would like to give an update on our work on happy eyeballs. We plan = to submit an updated draft before the meeting cut-off. >=20 > Cheers, > Anna >=20 >=20 > On 2017-02-21 22:15, Aaron Falk wrote: >> Picking up on this thread and soliciting agenda items for Chicago. = What are the key questions TAPS should be focusing on at this meeting? >>=20 >> =E2=80=94aaron >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 22 Dec 2016, at 20:16, Michael Welzl wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> We NEATers would love to give the presentation that was dropped the = last time. >>> Other news from my / our side: >>> - getting closer to the finish line with the -usage draft: quite a = lot of updates already done, one major one due early Jan, then we want = to submit=E2=80=A6 >>> - some ideas (thanks to everyone for input at the last meeting! that = was helpful!) for the minset draft, it=E2=80=99s bound to change quite a = bit and hopefully provoke an interesting discussion; for now, the plan = is to also finish that off fast, i.e. maybe in january=E2=80=A6 >>>=20 >>> cheers >>> Michael >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Aaron Falk = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> The secretariat has issued the call for wg sessions. It would be = helpful if we had an early idea of the agenda for a TAPS meeting in = March. Should we try again to get in the talks on post-sockets and = NEAT? Are there any other implementation projects that would like to = present? Any other topics to discuss? >>>>=20 >>>> =E2=80=94aaron >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Taps mailing list >>>> Taps@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Taps mailing list >> Taps@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Taps mailing list > Taps@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps From nobody Tue Feb 28 07:24:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD31129567 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 07:24:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kgcpTbAUhAaj for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 07:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x22f.google.com (mail-qk0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 160A1129515 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 07:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id n127so23302350qkf.0 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 07:24:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=13GbEyN1ApX1+xo0ruXP2Dl/V9QGTcTpko60zDnHEeo=; b=sHLUVbGn/lc5yOQv2PLrR+Bj/4jRes7/JOWOGVD+ONOUR5uzuCUNiKBySEZyEmX55O 0FtcBkHKaBhMAneUr2WoRuYZvP7XZcGVWutDsvv/Kwg/FIegtH6hRKG3/GroZ5kfLikD qkF1t0WPaLXh/wJ5Wm5BLhPEXWJHtkeO6fyUPQ6v6B9A4pEpRJ4ZFyb7A6pg97Q5lyoM YstSv4p618Hq7OrSKk1URZsP5WOco2RnW5aLwUMt1/mGNsiL0Uvhd5+PZHSJoaGk0fSu h3ZAC8yyTU696+lh4M2/Zy+u2KgdoW6v/Zxg5X/7Oqma5AyrJDmoTZ2c+7mAQi3yxYvh rWfw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=13GbEyN1ApX1+xo0ruXP2Dl/V9QGTcTpko60zDnHEeo=; b=TJbjoPwuvECTU8vDkUsT6dI1RaAR59sKI0RY0yTzP8ACAt9ISRLf2iGGSriIumxgcf x7r/G7dGUhpyNTCzSDgFfZSADwxiyxLPDFAttcUpQPY7uGHrj56gG1fcRjy56lCIscNv hhdiuIBivnPZr6ayac/ThBAgdhr4zk4Y5F2VdP+LfcJ9VHCt0fEqzBa0HUhtuA0Ofxnm 0A3rDygbxe2VdYx3tL5JKh2NvMh1JwgdCLYh4JxHld8KkVk54nCjmYAE/J0q7/DVhjsd tHN4PCGnN9tuR4Cdv4XbBUuvxJ4Ahj7uyvFXCeqg8AzPfP8Vn9iPWDTZjE/kiEbxIU3C AapA== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39mH7ioQ8rKfuwBGbrsdo1Y46YGwb3lOMLfuqgGrU4GJ30IakXODVw13VwBDqximCg== X-Received: by 10.237.53.113 with SMTP id b46mr3230767qte.119.1488295474731; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 07:24:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.19.35.107] ([2001:4878:8000:60:6d25:20a9:a724:5eeb]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 136sm1194507qkg.34.2017.02.28.07.24.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Feb 2017 07:24:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Aaron Falk" To: "Michael Welzl" Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 10:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_71D166E0-D9B5-4ADF-9EB2-1DCDF4FA0681_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.6r5356) Archived-At: Cc: "taps@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Taps] agenda planning for chicago X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Transport Services List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 15:24:37 -0000 --=_MailMate_71D166E0-D9B5-4ADF-9EB2-1DCDF4FA0681_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Summarizing the agenda proposals. Did I miss anything? Names ok? Note we need a leader for message sizes… —aaron - - - Working group document updates * draft-ietf-taps-transports-usage-03 (to be submitted): 10-15 mins if possible, Naeem Khademi or myself * draft-gjessing-taps-minset-04 (to be submitted): 10-15 mins if possible, Stein Gjessing TAPS Design Discussions * Messaging, introduced by Michael Welzl * Multi-streaming, introduced by Tommy Pauly * message sizes & PMTU, introduced by ??? Related Projects * Happy Eyeballs, Anna Brunstrom * NEAT, Naeem Khademi &/or Michael Welzl * Post-Sockets, Tommy Pauly &/or Brian Trammel (remote) --=_MailMate_71D166E0-D9B5-4ADF-9EB2-1DCDF4FA0681_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Summarizing the agenda proposals. Did I miss anything? = Names ok? Note we need a leader for message sizes=E2=80=A6

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Working group document updates

  • draft-ietf-taps-transports-usage-03 (to be submitted): 10-15 mins if= possible, Naeem Khademi or myself
  • draft-gjessing-taps-minset-04 (to be submitted): 10-15 mins if possi= ble, Stein Gjessing

TAPS Design Discussions

  • Messaging, introduced by Michael Welzl
  • Multi-streaming, introduced by Tommy Pauly
  • message sizes & PMTU, introduced by ???

Related Projects

  • Happy Eyeballs, Anna Brunstrom
  • NEAT, Naeem Khademi &/or Michael Welzl
  • Post-Sockets, Tommy Pauly &/or Brian Trammel (remote)
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