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This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling of the IETF. Title : The Use Cases for Using PCE as the Central Controller(PCECC) of LSPs Authors : Quintin Zhao Robin Li Boris Khasanov King Ke Luyuan Fang Chao Zhou Boris Zhang Artem Rachitskiy Filename : draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases-00.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2017-03-01 Abstract: In certain networks deployment scenarios, service providers would like to keep all the existing MPLS functionalities in both MPLS and GMPLS network while reducing existing complexity.In this document, we propose to use the PCE as a central controller so that LSP can be calculated/signaled/initiated/downloaded/managed through a centralized PCE server to each network devices along the LSP path while leveraging the existing PCE technologies as much as possible. This draft describes the use cases for using the PCE as the central controller where LSPs are calculated/setup/initiated/downloaded/ maintained through extending the current PCE architectures and extending the PCEP. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Mar 2 14:36:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72895128B38 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 14:36:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G2TUbC7Lny2F for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 14:36:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (asmtp5.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8ED1B126BF7 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 14:36:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v22MaYn5001861; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 22:36:34 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([176.241.251.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v22MaUYh001815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Mar 2017 22:36:33 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Daniele Ceccarelli'" , "'Vishnu Pavan Beeram'" , References: <00ab01d2904a$148d7440$3da85cc0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 22:36:28 -0000 Message-ID: <00a201d293a5$717ed4b0$547c7e10$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGHyPwTRIKL8gU+TkrqkWJ1+diZfwNNqZWPApk6j7QCiGRYZqHUNssg Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.1.0.1062-22918.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--28.833-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--28.833-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 0lhM5bBmjEOnykMun0J1wvHkpkyUphL9ecvjbu/xDjqCsBeCv8CM/Sc4 44AUxvz5AcPPuhm4pkByFDOhKk3fcTAnrFtOMFrmsyNb+yeIRAq7VvS3iihr21pbYq2f4jz+wfp hNnCDsrCBvWVSrpdRLuLUz6KTkxTEP5iRLzRS/nXRfDQgu+j+5eJc6hKWj0C1CoAikymLoZ0AO4 lVfKXvC99q7nXsFlMJFgTymD6TsUVG2s3FJ9V4+XZoUVaGRPdAamKrgqy61cIgUEQTkIWiYrcei 5v4WhA8qJUZ/cu5bgt7Po6Pu2Kbl5t3YSmYB/WOfuyIS1ZjfrtcSMp/1+Epp36n4oqpkNT9M+p+ NpswZmoyj0FtzTAoALWwZxkfp37u5FJImTgaNLIF8rFt9xmDKZsqkCVjbLpJEVPqW3NyVY2oDv7 b1JeU3osHqQHaw/Q7JPFVk/Wt7zRhf4BpEOmrFsnUT+eskUQP+KgiyLtJrSCyd65qZFFPkxNNC6 5dyq1LlSduxTW/xYYf7OrzjCwTyvdlvs2UcJ0YT7RVRbrn8wuVq+okl1rYD7BOE9APtGEpywn0A 572iDgPu+MfgwheRyRJ9UkH35HYWo20RUHeaHgR0Wxq9RAoB4IRZKeX/mD2aiomzGaeAvCCwglX 01Zi1rxxXY9bc5JXPvj7Qu+Eg0yazCoUDzKDOU0IfQOJvRLR0w14HFJQjaPdyIjG+fPOFeD9pOn PHAzh7E6QAhbVcyKiDrmICrPc+OVHGbcDbAq6gxsfzkNRlfKx5amWK2anSPoLR4+zsDTtAqYBE3 k9Mpw= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-scsi X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2017 22:36:40 -0000 Hi and thanks. > How about: >=20 > "The ISCD is defined in [RFC4203] and [RFC5307]. It can include a = Generalized SCSI > when advertising technologies whose Switching Capability definition = reference > this document. The corollary of this is that the Generalized SCSI = MUST NOT be > used for ISCDs of technologies whose Switching Capability definition = do not > reference this document." Yes. =20 > > Will you not pre-populate the registry with the TLVs from one of = 7138 > > and 7688? Although you can't pull them both into line (because of = the > > Type value overlap) you could make one of them consistent. >=20 > I'm not sure I get this one. The idea is not to use the Generalized = SCSI for them, > they already have their own TLVs and registries linked to the = Switching Type. Well, OK. And flexigrid is doing its own thing. Makes me wonder whether there are any switching types left to make use = of this document :-Z > > I think Section 6 could be clearer... >> > > But, I don't think this is going to work! > > Suppose I define a new TLV for the foo-switch technology. Obviously = it > > comes from the 1-32768 range. > > But the next day someone dreams up the foo-prime (commonly known as > > bar) technology and wants to use the same TLV. > > Can't do it. >=20 > I don't get this either (and It's only Thursday...). Foo would get = value 1 allocated > and bar value 2 if they are both specific technologies, otherwise Foo = would get > value 1 allocated and Bar would get 32768 allocated ... I don't get = the issue. Foo and Bar are technologies. They don't get TLVs. But for Foo we want the "Fridge-temperature" TLV so we assign value 1 = for that TLV. We genuinely believe that only Foo will ever care about = the temperature of the fridge. Now, along comes Bar. Bar also wants to know the temperature of the = fridge and would like to simply use the same TLV. But it is allowed. So = a new TLV must be assigned from the registry (presumably 2). Oh wait, here is the Humbug switching technology, that *also* cares = about fridge temperatures. See my point? > > I suggest you should go to a single range and "'Any' or a list of > > values from IANA's Switching Types registry". > > > > (In any case, I don't believe you benefit from the current split.) >=20 > Even if I don't get the issue I don't have any strong opinion (neither = does Lou, we > put this as an open question to the WG and we didn't receive many = feedbacks) Oh, but that is probably because no one really cares about this work! > For me it's ok to have a single range. Then let's do it and you don't even need to understand my point to make = me happy ;-) > > In section 6 > > > > The registry should be established with registration policies of > > "Standards Action" for Standards Track documents, and = "Specification > > Required" for other documents, see [RFC5226]. The designated = expert > > is any current TEAS WG chair. > > > > I think this is more words than you need and is convoluted! > > You are saying that "Values are assigned only for Standards Track = RFCs > > approved by the IESG except when the document that requests the > > assignment is not a Standards Track RFC". > > > > Now, you know that all Standards Track RFCs will go for approval by = the IESG. > > That will happen regardless of what you write here. > > > > So you can just say "Specification Required" and cover all of the = bases. > > > IN what is this different from the OTN Signal Type Register: > (https://www.iana.org/assignments/gmpls-sig-parameters/gmpls-sig- > parameters.xhtml#otn-signal-types ) where we have both registration > procedures allowed? At that time the experts where appointed by the = AD, not > the draft, that's correct. It's odd... 7139 says New values are to be assigned via Standards Action as defined in [RFC5226]. It was 7892 that caused the update. I recall some debate as that went through, but I cannot recall why I = didn't argue then. Probably I was too old (actually, I raised the issue = as AD shortly after WG adoption, but seem to have not picked it up as an = individual at WG last call). Looks like the IESG also had a go at that text for some reason. Looks like before that your AD (Deborah) was worried about the overlap. Anyway, I probably don't care, but I don't see why Specification = Required isn't enough. Go have a look at 5226. > > That just leaves three things: > > 1. You need to document in this I-D the advice for the DE. When = should > > she grant assignment and when not? What should she watch out for? > > 2. I know there are plenty of code points in your new registry, and = I > > know that we would like GMPLS to be widely used, but do you = *really* > > want to allow assignments for anyone who publishes a spec? Even = if > > that spec conflicts or competes with IETF standards? Or maybe = that > > is what you expect the DEs to police? > > 3. The DEs serve at the pleasure of the IESG and cannot be appointed = in > > an I-D. Just leave that bit out and let the AD deal with it. >=20 > We have a precedent in CCAMP when we decided to nominate to experts = (the > co-chairs) that are allowed to ask for the allocation of codepoints = for non > standard track documents (i.e. RFC7963). > Is this case different? The precedent applies to Specification Required spaces, I presume. a. You can nominate experts, but do it direct to the AD. b. Being "allowed" is fine, but you are supposed to give guidance. The = point is that the knowledge of what is "sane" will disappear over time. It shouldn't take many words to explain what the intention is. 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working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 14:50:46 -0000 > I like the way you cut threads, let me see if I can be as efficient as = you've=20 [snip ;-] > > > > Will you not pre-populate the registry with the TLVs from one of > > > > 7138 and 7688? > [snip] > > Makes me wonder whether there are any switching types left to make = use of > > this document :-Z >=20 > Yours is a good point (even if I'm confident new wonderful switching = types will > pop up between now and my retirement). I would like to get this = document done > without any allocation so that value 1 can be allocated for the = Availability TLV. > In order to have other existing switching types use this TLV (and be = backward > compatible) we need duplicate the switching types for which we want to = allow it. > If this makes sense and someone is interested in doing it we can = welcome new > contributions. How about talking with the authors of = draft-ietf-ccamp-flexible-grid-ospf-ext and the CCAMP/TEAS WG chairs, = and the AD? I don't think there is great urgency to that I-D and it could possibly = be pulled back to use the generic TLV space instead of creating its own. You'd have to act fast and would need the AD to pull on the brake lever. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Attendees: Xufeng, Igor, Pavan, Carlo, Sergio, Italo, Dieter - Continued discussion on multi-layer topologies covering more than 2 layer= s. > A 3 layer hybrid node example was discussed. > Discussed the logical node decompositions for transitional link. > Discussed the mappings and transformations of LTPs and TTPs. > Discussed the potential uses cases where different client layers are adopted on a TTP. > Discussed whether it is necessary to keep the TTP after the decompositi= on. - Discussed inter-layer lock ID for multi-layer topologies covering more than 2 layers. > Agreed to add bandwidth to each client-layer-adaptation. 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Attendees:

Xufeng, Igor, Pavan, Carlo, Sergio, Italo, Dieter

 

- Continued discussion on multi-layer topologies cov= ering more than 2 layers.

  > A 3 layer hybrid node example was discus= sed.

  > Discussed the logical node decomposition= s for transitional link.

  > Discussed the mappings and transformatio= ns of LTPs and TTPs.

  > Discussed the potential uses cases where= different client layers

    are adopted on a TTP.<= /p>

  > Discussed whether it is necessary to kee= p the TTP after the decomposition.

 

- Discussed inter-layer lock ID for multi-layer topo= logies covering

  more than 2 layers.

  > Agreed to add bandwidth to each cli= ent-layer-adaptation.

 

Thanks,

 

- Xufeng

 

Note: Please drop me an email if you need an invite = for joining the weekly call.

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Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. teas Session 1 (2:30:00) Monday, Morning Session I 0900-1130 Room Name: Vevey 1/2 size: 200 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Lou Berger Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: ccamp pce mpls rtgwg detnet netmod Second Priority: idr i2rs spring ospf Third Priority: pals nvo3 bess isis People who must be present: Lou Berger Deborah Brungard Vishnu Pavan Beeram Resources Requested: Meetecho support in room Special Requests: other conflicts - IRTF RRG, RTG BOFs --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Sun Mar 5 21:38:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC23B129424 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2017 21:38:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0XCju8MT9OlM for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2017 21:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mr213107.mail.yeah.net (mr213107.mail.yeah.net [223.252.213.107]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E874012943F for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2017 21:38:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from WangajPC (unknown [219.142.69.76]) by mr213107.mail.yeah.net (Hmail) with ESMTPA id 131D0141E3F for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 13:38:46 +0800 (CST) From: "Aijun Wang" To: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 13:38:45 +0800 Message-ID: <00c101d2963b$ec2796a0$c476c3e0$@org.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C2_01D2967E.FA4AD6A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdKWMGiBIM8qws/ASdG6N9wg8S9UvgAC24Sg Content-Language: zh-cn X-HM-Spam-Status: e1ktWUFJV1koWUFITzdXWQgYFAkeWUFMVUtDTU1JT0NNS0xNSE5OV1kJDh ceCFlBWSgrPSQ9OjI3JDI1JDM#Oj8#KUFLVUtANiMkIj4oJDI1JDM#Oj8#KUFLVUtAKy8pJCI#KC QyNSQzPjo*PilBS1VLQDg0LjUvKSIkODVBS1VLSUlAKT48MjQ1JDooMjpBSFVMQkhAKyk0LTI1OD 4kOT4yMTI1PEFLVUtNQkA*IjU6NjI4JDIrJDU0JDI1JDM#Oj8#KUFLVU1KSEAyKyRKJDM0LikkOD UvJEskSktLQUtVS0AyKyROJDYyNS4vPiQ4NS8kSyRKS0FLVUtAMiskSiQ2MjUuLz4kODUvJEskSk tBS1VLQDIrJC80PzoiJDg1LyRLJEpLS0FJS1VLSUJAMiskSEskNjI1Li8#JDg1LyRLJE5LQUtVS0 AoLjkxPjgvJC80PzoiJDg1LyRLJEpLS0FLVUtAKC45MT44LyROJDYyNS4vPiQ4NS8kSyRKS0FLVU tAKC45MT44LyRKJDM0LikkODUvJEskSktLQUtVS0AoOTEkNz41JE9LJCNBS1VLS0pLQC8#Iy8kNz 41JEhJSyRKSUNLQUtVS0tKS0A4NS8kMy82NyQ3PjUkSjAkTjBBS1VLS0pLQC8#Iy8uKTckPiMyKC 9BS1VLS0pLQCk#OD4yLT4pJDg1LyRLJEpBS1VLS0pLQD8#NzItPikkNz41JEtBS1VLS0pLQDc6NT wkPjVBWQY+ X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6PCI6Vio5NzozPSIiAz9DMitOIgkwCRlVSlVKT0ND TExDTElDQ05PVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZDB4ZWUEdGhcIHldZ CAFZQU9CQ003V1kSC1lBWUlKQlVKT0lVTUJVTE1ZBg++ X-HM-Tid: 0a5aa2208ae07f6b131d0141e3f Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Updated version for PCE in Native IP network X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2017 05:38:55 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01D2967E.FA4AD6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, All: We have updated the draft for the solution about PCE in Native IP network as the following https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-teas-pce-native-ip-02, wish can receive your valuable comments on it. Very thanks for the previous comments from several experts, wish to discuss it with you at the coming Chicago IETF meeting. Best Regards. Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, China. ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01D2967E.FA4AD6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, = All:

 

We have updated the draft for the solution about PCE in = Native IP network as the following htt= ps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-teas-pce-native-ip-02, wish can = receive your valuable comments on it.

Very thanks for the previous = comments from several experts, wish to discuss it with you at the coming = Chicago IETF meeting.

 

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation = Support Department

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research = Institute,Beijing, China.

 

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participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For m= ore information, please see the RFCs listed above
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Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Last Call

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to = draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR th= at applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that appl= ies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in com= pliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in = compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the = IPR has not been disclosed&= quot;

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document = will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S<= br> TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you t= o notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contrib= ution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, pl= ease see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
Pavan and Lou

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--f403045e29668fd3b3054a16bfdd-- From nobody Mon Mar 6 15:57:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AC9129A71; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 15:57:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f453l8jC6XES; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 15:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADF8C12955A; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 15:57:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2014; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1488844654; x=1490054254; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=/ItnLSfxgCQXhC+kreGqI6qgr7WeA3yz/GTDxHtaRDg=; b=Nk5V+C2XKw/lF5wZWSgMc9E2lihsoAZi6UyHuZaBL0jF7g0QiaIzHxRx w4/Db9M7LU9s3CjCr0DskNGniqS4cj0x2g4owauRcGDixvUsVb2oFpKUx LwV2Igy+D3x+hIdt3IWmJYjr4F59CW88Bqqm/nm+DvaAAr8aHHhxYNM5d g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ASAQAo971Y/4oNJK1eGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg1GBco1kpwCCDYYigik/GAECAQEBAQEBAWsohVY/EgE+QiYBBA4?= =?us-ascii?q?NiXSybIp4AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEhhk6PKAWcLAGBUZBYggSFIooCiEOKd?= =?us-ascii?q?wEfOIEDVhU/hlSILQSBLIENAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.35,256,1484006400"; d="scan'208";a="215039104" Received: from alln-core-5.cisco.com ([173.36.13.138]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 06 Mar 2017 23:57:33 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com (xch-rcd-001.cisco.com [173.37.102.11]) by alln-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v26NvXPW022067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 6 Mar 2017 23:57:33 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 17:57:33 -0600 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 17:57:33 -0600 From: "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" To: "TEAS WG (teas@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: Agenda slot requests for Chicago Thread-Index: AdKW0/OQ0i5bWpL4SiqflzLVoqryog== Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 23:57:33 +0000 Message-ID: <96e4a6813bc9419db07353f81a865aef@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.86.241.151] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Matt Hartley \(mhartley\)" , "teas-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: [Teas] Agenda slot requests for Chicago X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2017 23:57:36 -0000 All, It's time to get organized for Chicago. The preliminary agenda is available, and so it's time to put together our W= G agenda. We have one session: 09:00 - 11:30 on Monday March 27th in Vevey1= /2. Yes, first thing Monday morning again. It's still better than being las= t on Friday :)=20 Please send slot requests for the TEAS session to me and the Chairs by the = end of the day on Monday, March 13th (that's next week). Note that this is = also the deadline for draft submission. We'll need slides for presentation by Friday, March 24th so that we can get= them ready to present over the weekend. Any WG draft not being discussed/presented should have a status update sent= to the list by Friday, March 24th. Please also provide a summary slide by = the same date. There will also be a joint Yang session; this time, MPLS WG is hosting it a= nd managing the agenda. It will be on Friday March 31st, at 09:00 - 11:30, = in Zurich D. Important dates you should be aware of: 2017-03-13 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all drafts, inc= luding -00) by UTC 23:59, upload using IETF ID Submission Tool. 2017-03-15 (Wednesday): Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59, uploa= d using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. 2017-03-17 (Friday): Early Bird registration and payment cut-off at UTC 23:= 59. 2017-03-20 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59, upload= using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. 2017-03-20 (Monday): Registration cancellation cut-off at UTC 23:59. 2017-03-24 (Friday): Final Pre-Registration and Pre-Payment cut-off at 17:0= 0 local meeting time. 2017-03-26 - 2017-03-31: IETF 98 in Chicago, IL, USA 2017-04-21 (Friday): Proceedings submission cutoff date by UTC 23:59, uploa= d using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. 2017-05-15 (Monday): Proceedings submission corrections cutoff date by UTC = 23:59, upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. 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17:30:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.35.211 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 17:30:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: LEI LIU Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 17:30:58 -0800 Message-ID: To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0e773ed06b48054a19f64e Archived-At: Cc: Huaimo Chen , Raveendra Torvi , Markus Jork , Boris.Zhang@telus.com, Richard Li , Ning So , TEAS WG Chairs , "teas@ietf.org" , zhenbin.li@huawei.com, hliu@ciena.com, "Tarek Saad \(tsaad\)" , mehmet.toy@verizon.com, Yimin Shen , "Xu, Fengman" , Quintin zhao Subject: Re: [Teas] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 01:31:02 -0000 --94eb2c0e773ed06b48054a19f64e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Best regards, Lei On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S > TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > Pavan and Lou > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > --94eb2c0e773ed06b48054a19f64e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No, I'm not aware of = any=C2=A0IPR=C2=A0that applies to this draft.=C2= =A0

Best regards,=C2=A0
Lei

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote:
Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Last Call

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to = draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR th= at applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that appl= ies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in com= pliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in = compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the = IPR has not been disclosed&= quot;

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document = will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S<= br> TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you t= o notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contrib= ution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, pl= ease see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
Pavan and Lou

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.


--94eb2c0e773ed06b48054a19f64e-- From nobody Mon Mar 6 18:28:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87BFC129525; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 18:28:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A-QyTF0xBbMb; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 18:28:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmccmta2.chinamobile.com (cmccmta2.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11600129418; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 18:18:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.15]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app05-12005 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee558be185fa25-2710b; Tue, 07 Mar 2017 10:18:07 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee558be185fa25-2710b X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmccPC (unknown[223.69.29.151]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr08-12008 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee858be185d8e2-c2f55; Tue, 07 Mar 2017 10:18:07 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee858be185d8e2-c2f55 From: "HuangLu" To: , "'Vishnu Pavan Beeram'" , "'Huaimo Chen'" , , "'Tarek Saad \(tsaad\)'" , , , , , , , , References: <1a5f0176e35d4768b807e20383962370@OMZP1LUMXCA14.uswin.ad.vzwcorp.com> In-Reply-To: <1a5f0176e35d4768b807e20383962370@OMZP1LUMXCA14.uswin.ad.vzwcorp.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 10:18:05 +0800 Message-ID: <024501d296e9$0f408a40$2dc19ec0$@chinamobile.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0246_01D2972C.1D6C2EB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQG5dNgmuPiQEys0IXOmq50gOXFrvgIdN1feoan+GWA= Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' , teas@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBbRV0gUmVnYXJkaW5nIElQUiBvbiBkcmFmdC1p?= =?utf-8?q?etf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection?= X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 02:28:07 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0246_01D2972C.1D6C2EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. =20 -------------------------------- Best Regards! Lu Huang China Mobile Research Institute No.32 Xuanwumen West Street, Xicheng District Beijing, China, 100053 Mobile: +86 13810820540 Phone: +86 10 15801696688 Ext. 33287 Email: huanglu@chinamobile.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------ From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 4:41 PM To: Huaimo Chen; hliu@ciena.com; Tarek Saad (tsaad); Xu, Fengman; = huanglu@chinamobile.com; ningso01@gmail.com; Toy, Mehmet; = lliu@us.fujitsu.com; lizhenbin@huawei.com; boris.zhang@telus.com; = mengnan@huawei.com; prejeeth@gmail.com; liu.cmri@gmail.com Cc: teas@ietf.org; TEAS WG Chairs Subject: [E] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection =20 Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of the preparation for WG Last Call Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, Pavan and Lou PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. ------=_NextPart_000_0246_01D2972C.1D6C2EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft.

 

--------------------------------

Best Regards!
Lu Huang
China Mobile Research Institute
No.32 = Xuanwumen West Street, Xicheng District
Beijing, China, = 100053
Mobile: +86 13810820540
Phone: +86 10 15801696688 Ext. = 33287
Email: huanglu@chinamobile.com

----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------

From:= Vishnu = Pavan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com] =
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 4:41 PM
To: Huaimo = Chen; hliu@ciena.com; Tarek Saad = (tsaad); Xu, Fengman; huanglu@chinamobile.com; ningso01@gmail.com; Toy, Mehmet; = lliu@us.fujitsu.com; lizhenbin@huawei.com; boris.zhang@telus.com; mengnan@huawei.com; prejeeth@gmail.com; liu.cmri@gmail.com
Cc: = teas@ietf.org; TEAS WG = Chairs
Subject: [E] Regarding IPR on = draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection

 

Authors, Contributors, = WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Last Call

Are you = aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified = above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any = IPR that applies to this = draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this = draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with = IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 = and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state = either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance = with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the = IPR has not been = disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional = details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document = author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this = email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant = IPR. This document will not advance to = the next
stage until a response has been received from each author = and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN = THIS MESSAGE'S
TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or = attend WG meetings but are not listed
as an author or contributor, we = remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify = the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, = or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion = related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see = the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/Intelle= ctualProperty.

Thank you,
Pavan and Lou

PS Please = include all listed in the headers of this message in = your
response.

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[64.134.188.95]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i78sm8653959ywc.50.2017.03.06.20.19.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Mar 2017 20:19:22 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: ningso01@gmail.com X-Mailer: iPad Mail (14D27) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 22:19:21 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <062B4AD1-192E-49CB-874C-FBB59A6745AA@gmail.com> References: To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram Archived-At: Cc: Huaimo Chen , Raveendra Torvi , mjork@juniper.net, Boris.Zhang@telus.com, renwei.li@huawei.com, TEAS WG Chairs , "teas@ietf.org" , zhenbin.li@huawei.com, hliu@ciena.com, "Tarek Saad \(tsaad\)" , mehmet.toy@verizon.com, yshen@juniper.net, fengman.xu@verizon.com, liulei.kddi@gmail.com, quintin.zhao@huawei.com Subject: Re: [Teas] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 04:19:25 -0000 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. 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boundary=94eb2c07e63ce00f6e054a240a0d Archived-At: Cc: Huaimo Chen , hliu@ciena.com, boris.zhang@telus.com, TEAS WG Chairs , lliu@us.fujitsu.com, huanglu@chinamobile.com, "Tarek Saad \(tsaad\)" , teas@ietf.org, liu.cmri@gmail.com, mehmet.toy@verizon.com, mengnan@huawei.com, fengman.xu@verizon.com, lizhenbin@huawei.com, vishnupavan@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Teas] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBSZWdhcmRpbmcgSVBSIG9uIGRyYWZ0LWlldGYt?= =?utf-8?q?teas-rsvp-egress-protection?= X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 13:32:34 -0000 --94eb2c07e63ce00f6e054a240a0d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft=E3=80=82 Ning So On Mar 7, 2017 3:11 AM, "prejeeth kaladharan" wrote: > No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft > > With Regards, > Prejeeth > > On 7 Mar 2017 11:03 a.m., "Lizhenbin" wrote: > >> No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Zhenbin(Robin) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@g= mail.com] >> *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2017=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=887=E6=97= =A5 5:41 >> *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Huaimo Chen; 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No= , I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft=E3=80=82
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Ning So
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On Mar 7, 2017 3:11 AM, "prejeeth kaladh= aran" <prejeeth@gmail.com= > wrote:
No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft

With Regards,=C2=A0
= Prejeeth=C2=A0

On 7 Mar 2017 11:03 a.m., "Lizhenbin" <lizhenbin@huawei.com> wrote:

No, I'= m not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

=C2= =A0

Best Regar= ds,

Zhenbin(Ro= bin)

=C2= =A0

=C2= =A0

=C2= =A0

=C2= =A0

=C2=A0

Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Last Call

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S<= br> TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wik= i/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
Pavan and Lou

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.

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[128.180.103.189]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z42sm2469233qtb.20.2017.03.08.09.04.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 08 Mar 2017 09:04:33 -0800 (PST) From: Zhiheng Liu Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8E2915D2-E0F2-454E-A260-64AFEAC7FFEE" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 12:04:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: "teas@ietf.org" , TEAS WG Chairs , Vishnu Pavan Beeram References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Cc: Huaimo Chen , boris.zhang@telus.com, ningso01@gmail.com, lliu@us.fujitsu.com, =?utf-8?B?6buE55KQ?= , hliu@ciena.com, "Tarek Saad \(tsaad\)" , mehmet.toy@verizon.com, prejeeth@gmail.com, mengnan@huawei.com, fengman.xu@verizon.com, lizhenbin@huawei.com Subject: Re: [Teas] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2017 17:04:37 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8E2915D2-E0F2-454E-A260-64AFEAC7FFEE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Vic Liu(Zhiheng) > On Mar 6, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram = wrote: >=20 > Authors, Contributors, WG, >=20 > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? >=20 > Please state either: >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? >=20 > If yes to the above, please state either: >=20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer = the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. 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No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft.

Vic Liu(Zhiheng)



On = Mar 6, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote:

Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Last Call

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft = identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this = draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in = compliance with IETF IPR rules
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If yes to the above, please state either:

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft With Regards, Prejeeth On 7 Mar 2017 11:03 a.m., "Lizhenbin" wrote: > No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. > > > > Best Regards, > > Zhenbin(Robin) > > > > > > > > > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gm= ail.com] > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2017=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5= 5:41 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Huaimo Chen; hliu@ciena.com; Tarek Saad (t= saad); > fengman.xu@verizon.com; huanglu@chinamobile.com; ningso01@gmail.com; > mehmet.toy@verizon.com; lliu@us.fujitsu.com; Lizhenbin; > boris.zhang@telus.com; Mengnan; prejeeth@gmail.com; liu.cmri@gmail.com > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* teas@ietf.org; TEAS WG Chairs > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protec= tion > > > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. 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No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies = to this draft

With Regards,=C2=A0
Prejeeth=C2=A0

On 7 Mar 2017 11:03 a.m., "Lizhenbin" <= lizhenbin@huawei.com> wrote:=

No, I'= m not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

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Best Regar= ds,

Zhenbin(Ro= bin)

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and
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Thank you,
Pavan and Lou

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Folks, Hi!

There are a couple of comments on this draft that haven't been responded-to/discussed on the list. I'm starting an open thread to see if we can resolve them quickly and move the draft to the next stage.

(1) Should support for RI-RSVP functionality be signaled (via the HELLO CAPABILITY object)?
-- Yes, this should be signaled.The RI-RSVP functionality must be activated only between peers that indicate their support for this functionality. When a node supports RI-RSVP, it couples the state of individual LSPs with the state of the corresponding RSVP-TE signaling adjacency. In other words, when an RI-RSVP capable node detects signaling adjacency failure, it would act as if all the Path and Resv state learnt via the failed signaling adjacency has timed out. This behavior should come into play only if it is known that the neighbor also supports RI-RSVP.

(2) The document discusses two disparate techniques for cutting down the amount of processing cycles required to maintain LSP state. Can we split the document into two -- one for each technique?
-- Though the techniques are different, they are both employed to achieve the same thing -- improve RSVP-TE control-plane scaling. We (the authors) would prefer not to split the document unless the WG feels very strongly about this.

If the WG is satisfied with these responses, then we would like to claim that this draft is ready to be considered for WG LC.

Regards,
-Pavan (as a co-author)
--f40304361d84ca6fde054a523b0b-- From nobody Fri Mar 10 08:20:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB235129988; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:20:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id owrv-DkY7cEo; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6994E129987; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:20:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2211; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1489162853; x=1490372453; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=fyr6rVUihi3+JDKOOWw4Plk+1m0Guj3/1Gkex8nwYqQ=; b=EJ1OCGojQPMaLyFbAnt/ZEfJfcqeIoPIB5qILq60v9eVDJu6Ck9MRvk6 7Kz6Jxir//0ZcmHibPpRsasK/nCK0aSPmgjWbknal8VwHYSKYewD4cg2U orX8nBEEJR/AoovW6EX39A+teSlNHuaiPFydo6p+Foxj+ZGOfMZpKN2b5 E=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ATAQAQ0sJY/4UNJK1dGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg1GBco1nkVCVOIIOhiICgkA/GAECAQEBAQEBAWsohRUBAQEBAgE?= =?us-ascii?q?6PwULAgEINhAyJQEBBA4NiXAItAmKawEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBHoZOh?= =?us-ascii?q?G+KOQWcPAGSLoIEhSWKBIhEinsBHziBA1cVP4ZViFIEgSwBgQwBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.36,141,1486425600"; d="scan'208";a="396137993" Received: from alln-core-11.cisco.com ([173.36.13.133]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 10 Mar 2017 16:20:39 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-004.cisco.com (xch-rcd-004.cisco.com [173.37.102.14]) by alln-core-11.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2AGKdwS027745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:20:39 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-RCD-004.cisco.com (173.37.102.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 10:20:39 -0600 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 10:20:39 -0600 From: "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" To: "TEAS WG (teas@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: Agenda slot requests for Chicago Thread-Index: AdKW0/OQ0i5bWpL4SiqflzLVoqryogC5js1g Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:20:38 +0000 Message-ID: <717ec5e3d8a94c4496b887e2ffb3d8bb@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> References: <96e4a6813bc9419db07353f81a865aef@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <96e4a6813bc9419db07353f81a865aef@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [161.44.193.131] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Matt Hartley \(mhartley\)" , "teas-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Teas] Agenda slot requests for Chicago X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:20:55 -0000 All, A gentle reminder... deadline for slot requests and draft submissions is Mo= nday. Cheers Matt > All, >=20 > It's time to get organized for Chicago. >=20 > The preliminary agenda is available, and so it's time to put together our > WG agenda. We have one session: 09:00 - 11:30 on Monday March 27th in > Vevey1/2. Yes, first thing Monday morning again. It's still better than > being last on Friday :) >=20 > Please send slot requests for the TEAS session to me and the Chairs by th= e > end of the day on Monday, March 13th (that's next week). Note that this i= s > also the deadline for draft submission. >=20 > We'll need slides for presentation by Friday, March 24th so that we can > get them ready to present over the weekend. >=20 > Any WG draft not being discussed/presented should have a status update > sent to the list by Friday, March 24th. Please also provide a summary > slide by the same date. >=20 > There will also be a joint Yang session; this time, MPLS WG is hosting it > and managing the agenda. It will be on Friday March 31st, at 09:00 - > 11:30, in Zurich D. >=20 > Important dates you should be aware of: >=20 > 2017-03-13 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all drafts, > including -00) by UTC 23:59, upload using IETF ID Submission Tool. > 2017-03-15 (Wednesday): Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59, > upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. > 2017-03-17 (Friday): Early Bird registration and payment cut-off at UTC > 23:59. > 2017-03-20 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59, > upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. > 2017-03-20 (Monday): Registration cancellation cut-off at UTC 23:59. > 2017-03-24 (Friday): Final Pre-Registration and Pre-Payment cut-off at > 17:00 local meeting time. > 2017-03-26 - 2017-03-31: IETF 98 in Chicago, IL, USA > 2017-04-21 (Friday): Proceedings submission cutoff date by UTC 23:59, > upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. > 2017-05-15 (Monday): Proceedings submission corrections cutoff date by UT= C > 23:59, upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Matt/Lou/Pavan From nobody Sat Mar 11 10:41:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA36B129460; Sat, 11 Mar 2017 10:41:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148925768072.2901.9187328336465174136@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 10:41:20 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp-07.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:41:21 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Resource Reservation Protocol (RSVP) Authors : Vishnu Pavan Beeram Tarek Saad Rakesh Gandhi Xufeng Liu Igor Bryskin Himanshu Shah Filename : draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp-07.txt Pages : 55 Date : 2017-03-11 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model for the configuration and management of RSVP Protocol. The model covers the building blocks of the RSVP protocol that can be augmented and used by other RSVP extension models such as RVSP extensions to Traffic-Engineering (RSVP-TE). The model covers the configuration, operational state, remote procedural calls, and event notifications data. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Mar 11 11:35:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF7A126FDC; Sat, 11 Mar 2017 11:35:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148926091729.2940.16676571788227935985@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 11:35:17 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-06.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 19:35:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Traffic Engineering Tunnels and Interfaces Authors : Tarek Saad Rakesh Gandhi Xufeng Liu Vishnu Pavan Beeram Himanshu Shah Igor Bryskin Filename : draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-06.txt Pages : 130 Date : 2017-03-11 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model for the configuration and management of Traffic Engineering (TE) interfaces, tunnels and Label Switched Paths (LSPs). The model is divided into YANG modules that classify data into generic, device-specific, technology agnostic, and technology-specific elements. The model also includes module(s) that contain reusable TE data types and data groupings. This model covers data for configuration, operational state, remote procedural calls, and event notifications. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Mar 11 11:55:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3CC129596; Sat, 11 Mar 2017 11:55:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148926210159.2995.9769185708904803316@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 11:55:01 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-network-assigned-upstream-label-04.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 19:55:01 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling of the IETF. Title : Network Assigned Upstream-Label Authors : Xian Zhang Vishnu Pavan Beeram Igor Bryskin Daniele Ceccarelli Oscar Gonzalez de Dios Filename : draft-ietf-teas-network-assigned-upstream-label-04.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2017-03-11 Abstract: This document discusses a Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Resource reSerVation Protocol with Traffic Engineering (RSVP- TE) mechanism that enables the network to assign an upstream label for a bidirectional LSP. This is useful in scenarios where a given node does not have sufficient information to assign the correct upstream label on its own and needs to rely on the downstream node to pick an appropriate label. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-network-assigned-upstream-label/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-network-assigned-upstream-label-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-network-assigned-upstream-label-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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The content in version -04 is essentially the same as in version -03 (the diffs seen are just template specific changes). A newer version addressing the open comments will follow soon. Regards, - Pavan (Co-Author) On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 2:55 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and > Signaling of the IETF. > > Title : Network Assigned Upstream-Label > Authors : Xian Zhang > Vishnu Pavan Beeram > Igor Bryskin > Daniele Ceccarelli > Oscar Gonzalez de Dios > Filename : draft-ietf-teas-network- > assigned-upstream-label-04.txt > Pages : 11 > Date : 2017-03-11 > > Abstract: > This document discusses a Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching > (GMPLS) Resource reSerVation Protocol with Traffic Engineering (RSVP- > TE) mechanism that enables the network to assign an upstream label > for a bidirectional LSP. This is useful in scenarios where a given > node does not have sufficient information to assign the correct > upstream label on its own and needs to rely on the downstream node to > pick an appropriate label. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-network- > assigned-upstream-label/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-network- > assigned-upstream-label-04 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-network- > assigned-upstream-label-04 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > --94eb2c19050e4bd440054a79f9a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Folks, Hi!

The content in vers= ion -04 is essentially the same as in version -03 (the diffs seen are just = template specific changes). A newer version addressing the open comments wi= ll follow soon.

=C2=A0Regards,
- Pavan (Co-Author)

On Sat, Ma= r 11, 2017 at 2:55 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wr= ote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signa= ling of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Network Assigned Upstream-Label
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Xian= Zhang
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Vishnu Pavan Beeram
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Igor Bryskin
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Daniele Ceccarelli
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Oscar Gonzalez de Dios
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-teas-network-assigned-upstream-label-04.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 11
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2017-03-11

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document discusses a Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Swi= tching
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(GMPLS) Resource reSerVation Protocol with Traffic Engineering= (RSVP-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0TE) mechanism that enables the network to assign an upstream l= abel
=C2=A0 =C2=A0for a bidirectional LSP.=C2=A0 This is useful in scenarios whe= re a given
=C2=A0 =C2=A0node does not have sufficient information to assign the correc= t
=C2=A0 =C2=A0upstream label on its own and needs to rely on the downstream = node to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0pick an appropriate label.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker= .ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-network-assigned-upstream-label/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
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--94eb2c19050e4bd440054a79f9a0-- From nobody Sat Mar 11 19:18:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752A51293FC; Sat, 11 Mar 2017 19:18:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148928872745.2931.17097151030743606964@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 19:18:47 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-07.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 03:18:47 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for TE Topologies Authors : Xufeng Liu Igor Bryskin Vishnu Pavan Beeram Tarek Saad Himanshu Shah Oscar Gonzalez De Dios Filename : draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-07.txt Pages : 119 Date : 2017-03-11 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model for representing, retrieving and manipulating TE Topologies. The model serves as a base model that other technology specific TE Topology models can augment. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Mar 12 07:09:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 062F712955A; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 07:09:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rTRlYrxzj1EM; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 07:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3347B12945B; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 07:09:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=349; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1489327775; x=1490537375; h=to:cc:from:subject:message-id:date:mime-version: content-transfer-encoding; bh=WiTK+7Re7PNqnewMT6K4kmuJCWLgtrka2llAyItsj4U=; b=EaSNsBDZiCLtaI7WtIxWk/v+HYn791+FGfdrnJtFj081KoklC4nGVjuB x6ELBibEPd7pBBcMOj25DGM5kUVmvMNS1lqS3HBsxwiXaH3Lz5ET7K+X/ RoreMpGZGVWw+oA3FRQA3k+y8J3AHICKfoglVMZvMts3eaYJ5SMdYck+e o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0C0CQARVsVY/xbLJq1cGgEBAQECAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QgBAQEBgyeBCypgg2CLAZA9k0uEHSqFbgqDBhQBAgEBAQEBAQFrKIU/FUE1Ah8?= =?us-ascii?q?HAl8BDAgBAYl8DrFIgiaKXQEBAQEBBQEBAQEBI4ELhUOCBQiKPIJfBZxBkjmBY?= =?us-ascii?q?wEXhSWDMoZTizWIDjYhgQQjFggXFYVOgUs/NQGHMiuCEAEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.36,152,1486425600"; d="scan'208";a="650371350" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-1.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 12 Mar 2017 14:09:32 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.87] (ams-bclaise-8916.cisco.com [10.60.67.87]) by aer-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2CE9Wf5009306; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 14:09:32 GMT To: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te@ietf.org, "draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo@ietf.org" From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 15:09:33 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: Andy Bierman , "teas@ietf.org" Subject: [Teas] YANG compilation issue in draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-06 and draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-07 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 14:09:37 -0000 Dear authors, I see that you posted a new draft version. Be aware that there are some errors regarding the validation of the YANG modules in draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-06 and draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-07 See http://www.claise.be/IETFYANGPageCompilation.html, and please correct the mistakes. Regards, Benoit From nobody Sun Mar 12 15:42:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A3A126D74; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 15:42:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148935853414.24649.9274191375526683959@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 15:42:14 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec-04.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 22:42:14 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling of the IETF. Title : Implementation Recommendations to Improve the Scalability of RSVP-TE Deployments Authors : Vishnu Pavan Beeram Ina Minei Rob Shakir Dante Pacella Tarek Saad Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec-04.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2017-03-12 Abstract: The scale at which RSVP-TE Label Switched Paths (LSPs) get deployed is growing continually and the onus is on RSVP-TE implementations across the board to keep up with this increasing demand. This document makes a set of implementation recommendations to help RSVP-TE deployments push the envelope on scaling and advocates the use of a couple of techniques - "Refresh-Interval Independent RSVP (RI-RSVP)" and "Per-Peer Flow-Control" - for improving scaling. 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The content in version -04 is essentially the same as in version -03 (the diffs seen are just template specific changes). I sent out an email to the WG mailing-list last week addressing some open comments (please respond to that thread if there are any further questions on this draft). As far as the authors are concerned, there are currently no open issues. Regards, - Pavan (Co-Author) On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 6:42 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and > Signaling of the IETF. > > Title : Implementation Recommendations to Improve the > Scalability of RSVP-TE Deployments > Authors : Vishnu Pavan Beeram > Ina Minei > Rob Shakir > Dante Pacella > Tarek Saad > Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec-04.txt > Pages : 10 > Date : 2017-03-12 > > Abstract: > The scale at which RSVP-TE Label Switched Paths (LSPs) get deployed > is growing continually and the onus is on RSVP-TE implementations > across the board to keep up with this increasing demand. > > This document makes a set of implementation recommendations to help > RSVP-TE deployments push the envelope on scaling and advocates the > use of a couple of techniques - "Refresh-Interval Independent RSVP > (RI-RSVP)" and "Per-Peer Flow-Control" - for improving scaling. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec-04 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec-04 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > --001a11c112584ea5db054a906538 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Folks, Hi!

The content in vers= ion -04 is=20 essentially the same as in version -03 (the diffs seen are just template specific changes).

I sent out an email to the WG mailing-list last= week addressing some open comments (please respond to that thread if there= are any further questions on this draft). As far as the authors are concer= ned, there are currently no open issues.

=C2=A0Regards,
- Pavan (Co-Author)

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 6:42 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signa= ling of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Implementation Recommendations to Improve the Scalability of RSVP-TE Deplo= yments
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Vish= nu Pavan Beeram
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ina Minei
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Rob Shakir
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dante Pacella
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Tarek Saad
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec-04.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 10
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2017-03-12

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The scale at which RSVP-TE Label Switched Paths (LSPs) get dep= loyed
=C2=A0 =C2=A0is growing continually and the onus is on RSVP-TE implementati= ons
=C2=A0 =C2=A0across the board to keep up with this increasing demand.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document makes a set of implementation recommendations to= help
=C2=A0 =C2=A0RSVP-TE deployments push the envelope on scaling and advocates= the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0use of a couple of techniques - "Refresh-Interval Indepen= dent RSVP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(RI-RSVP)" and "Per-Peer Flow-Control" - for im= proving scaling.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/d= raft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec-04

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdi= ff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec-04


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

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Hi A= drian and Daniele,

 

Inte= resting.

 

I un= derstood the purpose of split ranges is allowing technology specific ones g= o for the first range "1-32768", and generalized ones go for the = second range "32768-65535".

 

But,= the issue raised by Adrian is coming, i.e., one by one technology specific= ones go for the first range, and people realize later on that they should = be generalized by using the second range.

 

In a= ddition, "'Any', or list of multiple technologies" is a little co= nfusing, since "Any" includes technology specific.

 

So, = should it explicitly say that technology agnostic( or generic ones) go for = the second range?

 

 

> > I think Section 6 = could be clearer...

>> 

> > But, I don't think= this is going to work!

> > Suppose I define a= new TLV for the foo-switch technology. Obviously

> > it comes from the = 1-32768 range.

> > But the next day s= omeone dreams up the foo-prime (commonly known as

> > bar) technology an= d wants to use the same TLV.

> > Can't do it.<= /o:p>

>

> I don't get this either= (and It's only Thursday...). Foo would get

> value 1 allocated and b= ar value 2 if they are both specific

> technologies, otherwise= Foo would get value 1 allocated and Bar would get 32768 allocated ... I do= n't get the issue.

 

> > Foo and Bar are te= chnologies. They don't get TLVs.

> > But for Foo we wan= t the "Fridge-temperature" TLV so we assign value 1 for that TLV.= We genuinely believe that only Foo will ever care about the temperature of= the fridge.

> > Now, along comes B= ar. Bar also wants to know the temperature of the fridge and would like to = simply use the same TLV. But it is allowed. So a new TLV must be assigned f= rom the registry (presumably 2).

> > Oh wait, here is t= he Humbug switching technology, that *also* cares about fridge temperatures= .

 

> > See my point?=

 

 

 

 

Than= ks

 

Fata= i

 

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We just posted a new revision (-05) for this draft. Please do go through the diffs and let us know if there are still any concerns. The use-case (example) currently discussed in Section 3 can be moved to an Appendix if needed. Please see inline (prefixed VPB) for responses to your comments. Regards, -Pavan > >> On 2/1/17, 2:20 PM, "Lou Berger" wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I've done the typical review of this document in preparation for LC >> (as shepherd) and have some comments: >> >> 1) I think section 2, 3, and the 1st paragraph of 4 are reasonable >> background which was helpful getting the document to this level of >> maturity, but now largely detracts from the focus of the document, i.e., >> a protocol extension. I recommend (at your/the WG's discretion) >> dropping this text or moving it to an appendix. >> >> With this move the 2nd paragraph of section 4 can be integrated with the >> introduction. >> > [VPB] We moved some text from the 2nd paragraph of Section 4 to Section 1 and got rid of Sections 2, 3 and 4. > >> 2) The last paragraph of Section6.1 and all of Section 6.2 - >> >> These sections define procedures, but are in a section that is basically >> an example. They should be moved in section, and section 6.2 should >> discuss "Label Change" using wavelength as an example is of course fine. >> Nit/style level comments: >> > [VPB] All the new procedures introduced by this draft are covered in section 2 (of the -05 version). The procedures mentioned in the last paragraph of the "Initial Setup" Section are use-case specific and not new (not introduced by this draft). This paragraph was added to address some use-case related queries that came in during the early stages of the draft. We edited the text a bit to make it not give the impression that these procedures are new. If it is still a concern, we can consider removing this paragraph. As far as the "wavelength change" section is concerned, we moved the "label change - error processing procedure" text to Section 2. > >> - at the end of section 1. Perhaps s/onto/nodes downstream in >> > [VPB] Done. > - section 5.2: >> s/older implementation and doesn't understand/implementation that >> doesn't support >> > [VPB] Done. > >> - Section 6.1, the identified procedures should have references >> > [VPB] Added References. > >> - Section 3 (if kept/moved): >> >> - The above solution assumes the use of "symmetric labels" by >> default. >> > [VPB] This section/statement no longer exists. > >> This may be true in some implementations, but certainly is true for all >> or by specification. Suggest drop or prepend "In some implementations, " >> >> - Section 4 (if kept/moved): drop "it is an undocumented fact that" >> > [VPB] This section/statement no longer exists. > >> That's it. Please let me know what you think. >> Lou >> >> >> > --94eb2c07be06ecb9a1054a99e60e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lou, Hi!

We just posted a new = revision (-05) for this draft. Please do go through the diffs and let us kn= ow if there are still any concerns.
The use-case (example) cu= rrently discussed in Section 3 can be moved to an Appendix if needed.

Please see inline (prefixed VPB) for responses to your comment= s.

Regards,
-Pavan
=




On 2/1/17, 2:20 PM, "Lou Berger" <lberger@labn.net> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've done the typical review of this document in preparat= ion for LC
(as shepherd) and have some comments:

1) I think section 2, 3, and the 1st paragraph of 4 are reasonable
background which was helpful getting the document to this level of
maturity, but now largely detracts from the focus of the document, i.e., a protocol extension.=C2=A0 I recommend (at your/the WG's discretion) dropping this text or moving it to an appendix.

With this move the 2nd paragraph of section 4 can be integrated with the introduction.

[VPB] We moved some text from the 2nd paragra= ph of Section 4 to Section 1
and got rid of Sections 2, 3 and 4.
=C2=A0

2) The last paragraph of Section6.1 and all of Section 6.2 -

These sections define procedures, but are in a section that is basically an example.=C2=A0 They should be moved in section, and section 6.2 should discuss "Label Change" using wavelength as an example is of cours= e fine.
Nit/style level comments:
=C2=A0
[VPB] All the new procedures in= troduced by this draft are covered in
section 2 (of the -05 version). T= he procedures mentioned in the last paragraph
of the "Initial Setu= p" Section are use-case specific and not new (not introduced
by th= is draft). This paragraph was added to address some use-case related
qu= eries that came in during the early stages of the draft. We edited the text= a bit
to make it not give the impression that these procedures are new= . If it is still a
concern, we can consider removing this paragraph. As= far as the "wavelength
change" section is concerne= d, we moved the "label change - error processing
procedure" t= ext to Section 2.
=C2=A0
=

- at the end of section 1.=C2=A0 Perhaps s/onto/nodes downstream in
=C2=A0=
[VPB] Done.
=C2=A0
- section 5.2:
s/older implementation and doesn't understand/implementation that
doesn't support
=C2=A0
[VPB] Done.

- Section 6.1, the identified procedures should have references
=C2=A0
[VPB] Added References.
=C2=A0

- Section 3 (if kept/moved):

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - The above solution assumes the use of "symmetric label= s" by
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 default.
=C2=A0
[VPB] This section/statemen= t no longer exists.

This may be true in some implementations, but certainly is true for all
or by specification.=C2=A0 Suggest drop or prepend "In some implementa= tions, "

- Section 4 (if kept/moved): drop "it is=C2=A0 an undocumented fact th= at"

[VPB] This section/statement no longer exists.

That's it.=C2=A0 Please let me know what you think.
Lou




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Given the proximity to the meeting, it'll have to wait a few weeks. Lou On March 13, 2017 6:09:59 AM Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > Lou, Hi! > > We just posted a new revision (-05) for this draft. Please do go through > the diffs and let us know if there are still any concerns. > The use-case (example) currently discussed in Section 3 can be moved to an > Appendix if needed. > > Please see inline (prefixed VPB) for responses to your comments. > > Regards, > -Pavan > > > >> >>> On 2/1/17, 2:20 PM, "Lou Berger" wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I've done the typical review of this document in preparation for LC >>> (as shepherd) and have some comments: >>> >>> 1) I think section 2, 3, and the 1st paragraph of 4 are reasonable >>> background which was helpful getting the document to this level of >>> maturity, but now largely detracts from the focus of the document, i.e., >>> a protocol extension. I recommend (at your/the WG's discretion) >>> dropping this text or moving it to an appendix. >>> >>> With this move the 2nd paragraph of section 4 can be integrated with the >>> introduction. >>> >> > [VPB] We moved some text from the 2nd paragraph of Section 4 to Section 1 > and got rid of Sections 2, 3 and 4. > > >> >>> 2) The last paragraph of Section6.1 and all of Section 6.2 - >>> >>> These sections define procedures, but are in a section that is basically >>> an example. They should be moved in section, and section 6.2 should >>> discuss "Label Change" using wavelength as an example is of course fine. >>> Nit/style level comments: >>> >> > [VPB] All the new procedures introduced by this draft are covered in > section 2 (of the -05 version). The procedures mentioned in the last > paragraph > of the "Initial Setup" Section are use-case specific and not new (not > introduced > by this draft). This paragraph was added to address some use-case related > queries that came in during the early stages of the draft. We edited the > text a bit > to make it not give the impression that these procedures are new. If it is > still a > concern, we can consider removing this paragraph. As far as the "wavelength > change" section is concerned, we moved the "label change - error processing > procedure" text to Section 2. > > >> >>> - at the end of section 1. Perhaps s/onto/nodes downstream in >>> >> > [VPB] Done. > > >> - section 5.2: >>> s/older implementation and doesn't understand/implementation that >>> doesn't support >>> >> > [VPB] Done. > >> >>> - Section 6.1, the identified procedures should have references >>> >> > [VPB] Added References. > > >> >>> - Section 3 (if kept/moved): >>> >>> - The above solution assumes the use of "symmetric labels" by >>> default. >>> >> > [VPB] This section/statement no longer exists. > >> >>> This may be true in some implementations, but certainly is true for all >>> or by specification. Suggest drop or prepend "In some implementations, " >>> >>> - Section 4 (if kept/moved): drop "it is an undocumented fact that" >>> >> > [VPB] This section/statement no longer exists. > >> >>> That's it. Please let me know what you think. >>> Lou >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > ---------- > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > ------------15ac7403acc1eda27d337b8acd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Thanks Pavan,

I think my comments have been sufficiently addressed for the document to progress.  Given the proximity to the meeting, it'll have to wait a few weeks.

Lou

On March 13, 2017 6:09:59 AM Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote:

Lou, Hi!

We just posted a new revision (-05) for this draft. Please do go through the diffs and let us know if there are still any concerns.
The use-case (example) currently discussed in Section 3 can be moved to an Appendix if needed.

Please see inline (prefixed VPB) for responses to your comments.

Regards,
-Pavan




On 2/1/17, 2:20 PM, "Lou Berger" <lberger@labn.net> wrote:

Hi,

    I've done the typical review of this document in preparation for LC
(as shepherd) and have some comments:

1) I think section 2, 3, and the 1st paragraph of 4 are reasonable
background which was helpful getting the document to this level of
maturity, but now largely detracts from the focus of the document, i.e.,
a protocol extension.  I recommend (at your/the WG's discretion)
dropping this text or moving it to an appendix.

With this move the 2nd paragraph of section 4 can be integrated with the
introduction.

[VPB] We moved some text from the 2nd paragraph of Section 4 to Section 1
and got rid of Sections 2, 3 and 4.
 

2) The last paragraph of Section6.1 and all of Section 6.2 -

These sections define procedures, but are in a section that is basically
an example.  They should be moved in section, and section 6.2 should
discuss "Label Change" using wavelength as an example is of course fine.
Nit/style level comments:
 
[VPB] All the new procedures introduced by this draft are covered in
section 2 (of the -05 version). The procedures mentioned in the last paragraph
of the "Initial Setup" Section are use-case specific and not new (not introduced
by this draft). This paragraph was added to address some use-case related
queries that came in during the early stages of the draft. We edited the text a bit
to make it not give the impression that these procedures are new. If it is still a
concern, we can consider removing this paragraph. As far as the "wavelength
change" section is concerned, we moved the "label change - error processing
procedure" text to Section 2.
 

- at the end of section 1.  Perhaps s/onto/nodes downstream in
 
[VPB] Done.
 
- section 5.2:
s/older implementation and doesn't understand/implementation that
doesn't support
 
[VPB] Done.

- Section 6.1, the identified procedures should have references
 
[VPB] Added References.
 

- Section 3 (if kept/moved):

    - The above solution assumes the use of "symmetric labels" by
      default.
 
[VPB] This section/statement no longer exists.

This may be true in some implementations, but certainly is true for all
or by specification.  Suggest drop or prepend "In some implementations, "

- Section 4 (if kept/moved): drop "it is  an undocumented fact that"

[VPB] This section/statement no longer exists.

That's it.  Please let me know what you think.
Lou




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X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:53:40 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for TE Topologies Authors : Xufeng Liu Igor Bryskin Vishnu Pavan Beeram Tarek Saad Himanshu Shah Oscar Gonzalez De Dios Filename : draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-08.txt Pages : 120 Date : 2017-03-13 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model for representing, retrieving and manipulating TE Topologies. The model serves as a base model that other technology specific TE Topology models can augment. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 13 11:22:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1843A1294ED for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 11:22:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bi_PChlL6GDs for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 11:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newdragon.webhostserver.biz (newdragon.webhostserver.biz [69.25.136.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB52012948F for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 11:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [::1] (port=55736) by newdragon.webhostserver.biz with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1cnUcA-0000Pj-UH; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:22:39 +0300 To: Fatai Zhang , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , 'Daniele Ceccarelli' , 'Vishnu Pavan Beeram' , "teas@ietf.org" References: <00ab01d2904a$148d7440$3da85cc0$@olddog.co.uk> <00a201d293a5$717ed4b0$547c7e10$@olddog.co.uk> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:22:37 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F70DF245C450004079D658F7" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - newdragon.webhostserver.biz X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: newdragon.webhostserver.biz: authenticated_id: lberger@blabn.com X-Authenticated-Sender: newdragon.webhostserver.biz: lberger@blabn.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBXRyBMYXN0IENhbGwgb24gZHJhZnQtaWV0Zi10?= =?utf-8?q?eas-gmpls-scsi?= X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:22:42 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F70DF245C450004079D658F7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about we just get rid of the ranges? i.e., OLD Value SCSI-TLV SwitchCap Reference --------- -------------------------- --------- --------- 0 Reserved [This ID] - 1-32768 Unassigned, for use by [per value] - specific technology [This ID] - 32768-65535 Unassigned, for others (Any, or - value list) [This ID] New allocation requests to this registry SHALL indicate the value or values to be used in the SwitchCap column. NEW Value SCSI-TLV SwitchCap Reference --------- ------------------------- --------- --------- 0 Reserved [This ID] + 1-65535 Unassigned (value list) [This ID] New allocation requests to this registry SHALL indicate the value or values to be used in the SwitchCap column. Lou On 3/12/2017 11:34 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > > Hi Adrian and Daniele, > > > > Interesting. > > > > I understood the purpose of split ranges is allowing technology > specific ones go for the first range "1-32768", and generalized ones > go for the second range "32768-65535". > > > > But, the issue raised by Adrian is coming, i.e., one by one technology > specific ones go for the first range, and people realize later on that > they should be generalized by using the second range. > > > > In addition, "'Any', or list of multiple technologies" is a little > confusing, since "Any" includes technology specific. > > > > So, should it explicitly say that technology agnostic( or generic > ones) go for the second range? > > > > > > > > I think Section 6 could be clearer... > > >> > > > > But, I don't think this is going to work! > > > > Suppose I define a new TLV for the foo-switch technology. Obviously > > > > it comes from the 1-32768 range. > > > > But the next day someone dreams up the foo-prime (commonly known as > > > > bar) technology and wants to use the same TLV. > > > > Can't do it. > > > > > > I don't get this either (and It's only Thursday...). Foo would get > > > value 1 allocated and bar value 2 if they are both specific > > > technologies, otherwise Foo would get value 1 allocated and Bar would get 32768 > allocated ... I don't get the issue. > > > > > > Foo and Bar are technologies. They don't get TLVs. > > > > But for Foo we want the "Fridge-temperature" TLV so we assign value 1 for that > TLV. We genuinely believe that only Foo will ever care about the > temperature of the fridge. > > > > Now, along comes Bar. Bar also wants to know the temperature of the fridge and > would like to simply use the same TLV. But it is allowed. So a new TLV > must be assigned from the registry (presumably 2). > > > > Oh wait, here is the Humbug switching technology, that *also* cares about > fridge temperatures. > > > > > > See my point? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Fatai > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas --------------F70DF245C450004079D658F7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

How about we just get rid of the ranges? i.e.,

OLD


       Value       SCSI-TLV                   SwitchCap   Reference
       ---------   -------------------------- ---------   ---------
       0           Reserved                               [This ID]
-       1-32768     Unassigned, for use by    [per value]
-                   specific technology                    [This ID]
-       32768-65535 Unassigned, for others    (Any, or
-                                              value list) [This ID]

   New allocation requests to this registry SHALL indicate the value or
   values to be used in the SwitchCap column.

NEW

       Value       SCSI-TLV                  SwitchCap    Reference
       ---------   ------------------------- ---------    ---------
       0           Reserved                               [This ID]
+      1-65535     Unassigned                (value list) [This ID]


   New allocation requests to this registry SHALL indicate the value or
   values to be used in the SwitchCap column.

Lou

On 3/12/2017 11:34 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote:

Hi Adrian and Daniele,

 

Interesting.

 

I understood the purpose of split ranges is allowing technology specific ones go for the first range "1-32768", and generalized ones go for the second range "32768-65535".

 

But, the issue raised by Adrian is coming, i.e., one by one technology specific ones go for the first range, and people realize later on that they should be generalized by using the second range.

 

In addition, "'Any', or list of multiple technologies" is a little confusing, since "Any" includes technology specific.

 

So, should it explicitly say that technology agnostic( or generic ones) go for the second range?

 

 

> > I think Section 6 could be clearer...

>> 

> > But, I don't think this is going to work!

> > Suppose I define a new TLV for the foo-switch technology. Obviously

> > it comes from the 1-32768 range.

> > But the next day someone dreams up the foo-prime (commonly known as

> > bar) technology and wants to use the same TLV.

> > Can't do it.

>

> I don't get this either (and It's only Thursday...). Foo would get

> value 1 allocated and bar value 2 if they are both specific

> technologies, otherwise Foo would get value 1 allocated and Bar would get 32768 allocated ... I don't get the issue.

 

> > Foo and Bar are technologies. They don't get TLVs.

> > But for Foo we want the "Fridge-temperature" TLV so we assign value 1 for that TLV. We genuinely believe that only Foo will ever care about the temperature of the fridge.

> > Now, along comes Bar. Bar also wants to know the temperature of the fridge and would like to simply use the same TLV. But it is allowed. So a new TLV must be assigned from the registry (presumably 2).

> > Oh wait, here is the Humbug switching technology, that *also* cares about fridge temperatures.

 

> > See my point?

 

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai

 



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charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think "Any or a list" means that when you create the entry in the = registry you tell IANA either - This TLV can be used for any switching type (in which case IANA marks the entry as "any") or - This TLV can be used for switching types Foo and Bar (In which case IANA marks the entry as "Foo, Bar" =20 In the first case, when a new switching type (Humbug) wants to use the = TLV, no change is needed. In the second case, when a new switching type (Humbug) wants to use the = TLV, IANA has to be requested through Standards Action, and updates the = registry entry to read "Foo, Bar, Humbug" =20 *If* you consider that there will be TLVs that can only be used for one switching type (MUST NOT or cannot be used for another one) then you = could keep the split. For example, for switching type TDM, you might want a BSOT = TLV and think that no other switching type will ever care about BSOT. However, = I don't see the point in separating the TLVs when 1 is a special case of n and = so a list with one entry is no harder to understand. =20 Adrian =20 From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fatai Zhang Sent: 13 March 2017 03:35 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Daniele Ceccarelli'; 'Vishnu Pavan Beeram'; = teas@ietf. org Subject: [Teas] =B4=F0=B8=B4: WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-scsi =20 Hi Adrian and Daniele, =20 Interesting.=20 =20 I understood the purpose of split ranges is allowing technology specific = ones go for the first range "1-32768", and generalized ones go for the second = range "32768-65535". =20 But, the issue raised by Adrian is coming, i.e., one by one technology = specific ones go for the first range, and people realize later on that they = should be generalized by using the second range. =20 In addition, "'Any', or list of multiple technologies" is a little = confusing, since "Any" includes technology specific.=20 =20 So, should it explicitly say that technology agnostic( or generic ones) = go for the second range? =20 =20 > > I think Section 6 could be clearer... >>=20 > > But, I don't think this is going to work! > > Suppose I define a new TLV for the foo-switch technology. Obviously=20 > > it comes from the 1-32768 range. > > But the next day someone dreams up the foo-prime (commonly known as > > bar) technology and wants to use the same TLV. > > Can't do it. >=20 > I don't get this either (and It's only Thursday...). Foo would get=20 > value 1 allocated and bar value 2 if they are both specific=20 > technologies, otherwise Foo would get value 1 allocated and Bar would = get 32768 allocated ... I don't get the issue. =20 > > Foo and Bar are technologies. They don't get TLVs. > > But for Foo we want the "Fridge-temperature" TLV so we assign value = 1 for that TLV. We genuinely believe that only Foo will ever care about the temperature of the fridge. > > Now, along comes Bar. Bar also wants to know the temperature of the = fridge and would like to simply use the same TLV. But it is not allowed. So a = new TLV must be assigned from the registry (presumably 2). > > Oh wait, here is the Humbug switching technology, that *also* cares = about fridge temperatures. =20 > > See my point? =20 =20 =20 =20 Thanks =20 Fatai =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0290_01D29C32.A14D6EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think "Any or a list" means that = when you create the entry in the registry you tell = IANA

either

- This TLV can be used for any switching = type

  =  (in which case IANA = marks the entry as "any")

or

- This TLV can be used for switching types Foo = and Bar

  = (In which case IANA marks the entry as "Foo, = Bar"

 

In the first case, when a new switching type = (Humbug) wants to use the TLV, no change is = needed.

In the second case, when a new switching type = (Humbug) wants to use the TLV, IANA has to be requested through = Standards Action, and updates the registry entry to read "Foo, Bar, = Humbug"

 

*If* you consider that there will be TLVs that = can only be used for one switching type (MUST NOT or cannot be used for = another one) then you could keep the split. For example, for switching = type TDM, you might want a BSOT TLV and think that no other switching = type will ever care about BSOT.  However, I don't see the point = in separating the TLVs when 1 is a special case of n and so a list with = one entry is no harder to understand.

 

Adrian

 

From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Fatai Zhang
Sent: 13 March 2017 03:35
To: = adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Daniele Ceccarelli'; 'Vishnu Pavan Beeram'; = teas@ietf.org
Subject: [Teas] =B4=F0=B8=B4: WG Last Call on = draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-scsi

 

Hi Adrian and = Daniele,

 <= /p>

Interesting. =

 <= /p>

I understood the purpose = of split ranges is allowing technology specific ones go for the first = range "1-32768", and generalized ones go for the second range = "32768-65535".

 <= /p>

But, the issue raised by = Adrian is coming, i.e., one by one technology specific ones go for the = first range, and people realize later on that they should be generalized = by using the second range.

 <= /p>

In addition, = "'Any', or list of multiple technologies" is a little = confusing, since "Any" includes technology = specific. =

 

So, should it explicitly = say that technology agnostic( or generic ones) go for the second = range?

 

 

> > I think Section 6 could be = clearer...

>> 

> > But, I don't think this is = going to work!

> > Suppose I = define a new TLV for the foo-switch technology. Obviously =

> > it comes from the 1-32768 = range.

> > But the next day someone = dreams up the foo-prime (commonly known as

> > bar) technology and wants to = use the same TLV.

> > Can't do = it.

>

> I don't get this either (and It's = only Thursday...). Foo would get

> value 1 allocated and bar value 2 = if they are both specific

> technologies, otherwise Foo would = get value 1 allocated and Bar would get 32768 allocated ... I don't get = the issue.

 

> > Foo and Bar are = technologies. They don't get TLVs.

> > But for Foo we want the = "Fridge-temperature" TLV so we assign value 1 for that TLV. We = genuinely believe that only Foo will ever care about the temperature of = the fridge.

> > Now, along = comes Bar. Bar also wants to know the temperature of the fridge and = would like to simply use the same TLV. But it is not = allowed. So a new TLV must be assigned from the registry (presumably = 2).

> > Oh wait, here is the Humbug = switching technology, that *also* cares about fridge = temperatures.

 

> > See my = point?

 

 

 

 

Thanks<= /p>

 <= /p>

Fatai

 

------=_NextPart_000_0290_01D29C32.A14D6EF0-- From nobody Mon Mar 13 14:07:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F7E129B99 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:07:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GewQQm5lYwjC for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56A28129B7F for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v2DL78qH021146; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:07:08 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([176.241.251.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v2DL6q1E021013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:06:58 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Lou Berger'" , "'Fatai Zhang'" , "'Daniele Ceccarelli'" , "'Vishnu Pavan Beeram'" , References: <00ab01d2904a$148d7440$3da85cc0$@olddog.co.uk> <00a201d293a5$717ed4b0$547c7e10$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:06:55 -0000 Message-ID: <02cf01d29c3d$c43ce930$4cb6bb90$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02D0_01D29C3D.C43F5A30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGHyPwTRIKL8gU+TkrqkWJ1+diZfwNNqZWPApk6j7QCiGRYZgJFKc9aAw+coKwB9h6D96GrF6uw Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.1.0.1062-22940.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--27.474-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--27.474-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: pS5owHKhBO0DJrf2+hNOhZNd1m5RlE+KIM86Aeo6sYIAhmnHHeGnvcKi gQM2uK1bp306fUThb1+buxUhFVKXH1Fej9EwCdZzws9cphnKwlFQCOsAlaxN77NTRH7kNsNs48f E6PIFskDg/+i1q78XIKJf3qR6TqU0DsB+KQ9eA7DsEjYqO+DyaCOjxzQ2Rhgiu/jTz8Y/kerBXz PRSjofjvfGrPPhhZrtwRGoXpwCCUQol39hmeEcdwPZZctd3P4BC/ExpXrHizzjsTquy0JRi3BZf 6ES4x20QUOmmfxRyAesaZdo6QjY7qj51DoCJeXuHOEZV7E5RxwcVY4wxvgKp9qqof+gfD6RMjab a+FVVAvU1O68dJT01mhZ/1SerWje4MG9jJywnBWpuD25aEtgt/aS52LUPfcSsneuamRRT5Mnwf3 kfmsrQzba6gSbbjl+gVo1o+4QhtJpZtsObgt0hne8jMDtfIiIIQXVF2qsdV213HaVceMXUiL8Ha C6OsQfMHoR0KY0MZVVsQM/S7OiNfJMF6pylZNWVF7yOiu4q2kgVvZV3BB2QNE6Er5EVajmW2E6A 0VjBlqQ0Ir9EHtCMQJIccaMDcUCF/JN69C1+RCR1ykkpfknCvwGVtfL479acq4vxILn2XdgKjAp K+kj762ZXwyH9Nib8+nPEznfQJOEWG4fxKPlxUOZWaJBszmqEsPHM6iHL3Y93acSBBsAmjApi0h Tr2bdn9fPWsL/WDRpvaTqRsHaZNoCk6MGCiGt+KUzuemidPxfohHCqSnabhUZTfM00s4+9pGDO2 ct0sJ/+1gtIpwO/w6a8aO+TUqR+ybY5Ha5C8meAiCmPx4NwGmRqNBHmBve1kTfEkyaZdxFGCd0S 0NCsqdTfciq0kfjs6UPbISI0k3uBGluqYV/qk+kCnR/SVUWvuvB6gAgryg= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBXRyBMYXN0IENhbGwgb24gZHJhZnQtaWV0Zi10?= =?utf-8?q?eas-gmpls-scsi?= X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:07:27 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02D0_01D29C3D.C43F5A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry all. My post crossed with Lou's. =20 What he says. =20 Adrian =20 From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]=20 Sent: 13 March 2017 18:23 To: Fatai Zhang; adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Daniele Ceccarelli'; 'Vishnu = Pavan Beeram'; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: WG Last Call on = draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-scsi =20 How about we just get rid of the ranges? i.e., OLD Value SCSI-TLV SwitchCap Reference --------- -------------------------- --------- --------- 0 Reserved [This ID] - 1-32768 Unassigned, for use by [per value] - specific technology [This ID] - 32768-65535 Unassigned, for others (Any, or - value list) [This ID] New allocation requests to this registry SHALL indicate the value or values to be used in the SwitchCap column. NEW Value SCSI-TLV SwitchCap Reference --------- ------------------------- --------- --------- 0 Reserved [This ID] + 1-65535 Unassigned (value list) [This ID] New allocation requests to this registry SHALL indicate the value or values to be used in the SwitchCap column. Lou On 3/12/2017 11:34 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: Hi Adrian and Daniele, =20 Interesting.=20 =20 I understood the purpose of split ranges is allowing technology specific = ones go for the first range "1-32768", and generalized ones go for the = second range "32768-65535". =20 But, the issue raised by Adrian is coming, i.e., one by one technology = specific ones go for the first range, and people realize later on that = they should be generalized by using the second range. =20 In addition, "'Any', or list of multiple technologies" is a little = confusing, since "Any" includes technology specific.=20 =20 So, should it explicitly say that technology agnostic( or generic ones) = go for the second range? =20 =20 > > I think Section 6 could be clearer... >>=20 > > But, I don't think this is going to work! > > Suppose I define a new TLV for the foo-switch technology. Obviously=20 > > it comes from the 1-32768 range. > > But the next day someone dreams up the foo-prime (commonly known as > > bar) technology and wants to use the same TLV. > > Can't do it. >=20 > I don't get this either (and It's only Thursday...). Foo would get=20 > value 1 allocated and bar value 2 if they are both specific=20 > technologies, otherwise Foo would get value 1 allocated and Bar would = get 32768 allocated ... I don't get the issue. =20 > > Foo and Bar are technologies. They don't get TLVs. > > But for Foo we want the "Fridge-temperature" TLV so we assign value = 1 for that TLV. We genuinely believe that only Foo will ever care about = the temperature of the fridge. > > Now, along comes Bar. Bar also wants to know the temperature of the = fridge and would like to simply use the same TLV. But it is allowed. So = a new TLV must be assigned from the registry (presumably 2). > > Oh wait, here is the Humbug switching technology, that *also* cares = about fridge temperatures. =20 > > See my point? =20 =20 =20 =20 Thanks =20 Fatai =20 _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas =20 ------=_NextPart_000_02D0_01D29C3D.C43F5A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry = all. My post crossed with Lou's.

 

What = he says.

 

Adrian

 

From: = Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]
Sent: 13 March 2017 = 18:23
To: Fatai Zhang; adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Daniele = Ceccarelli'; 'Vishnu Pavan Beeram'; teas@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [Teas] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: = WG Last Call on = draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-scsi

 

How about we just get rid of the ranges? = i.e.,

OLD


       = Value       = SCSI-TLV           = ;        SwitchCap   = Reference
       = ---------   -------------------------- ---------   = ---------
       = 0           = Reserved           = ;            =         [This ID]
- =       1-32768     Unassigned, = for use by    [per value]
-  =             &= nbsp;    specific = technology          &nb= sp;         [This = ID]
-       32768-65535 = Unassigned, for others    (Any, = or
-         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            = value list) [This ID]

   New allocation = requests to this registry SHALL indicate the value = or
   values to be used in the SwitchCap = column.

NEW

     = ;  Value       = SCSI-TLV           = ;       SwitchCap    = Reference
       = ---------   ------------------------- = ---------    = ---------
       = 0           = Reserved           = ;            =         [This = ID]
+      = 1-65535     = Unassigned          &nb= sp;     (value list) [This = ID]


   New allocation requests to this = registry SHALL indicate the value or
   values to = be used in the SwitchCap column.

Lou

On 3/12/2017 11:34 = PM, Fatai Zhang wrote:

Hi Adrian and = Daniele,

 <= /p>

Interesting. =

 <= /p>

I understood the purpose = of split ranges is allowing technology specific ones go for the first = range "1-32768", and generalized ones go for the second range = "32768-65535".

 <= /p>

But, the issue raised by = Adrian is coming, i.e., one by one technology specific ones go for the = first range, and people realize later on that they should be generalized = by using the second range.

 <= /p>

In addition, = "'Any', or list of multiple technologies" is a little = confusing, since "Any" includes technology = specific. =

 

So, should it explicitly = say that technology agnostic( or generic ones) go for the second = range?

 

 

> > I think Section 6 could be = clearer...

>> 

> > But, I don't think this is = going to work!

> > Suppose I = define a new TLV for the foo-switch technology. Obviously =

> > it comes from the 1-32768 = range.

> > But the next day someone = dreams up the foo-prime (commonly known as

> > bar) technology and wants to = use the same TLV.

> > Can't do = it.

>

> I don't get this either (and It's = only Thursday...). Foo would get

> value 1 allocated and bar value 2 = if they are both specific

> technologies, otherwise Foo would = get value 1 allocated and Bar would get 32768 allocated ... I don't get = the issue.

 

> > Foo and Bar are = technologies. They don't get TLVs.

> > But for Foo we want the = "Fridge-temperature" TLV so we assign value 1 for that TLV. We = genuinely believe that only Foo will ever care about the temperature of = the fridge.

> > Now, along = comes Bar. Bar also wants to know the temperature of the fridge and = would like to simply use the same TLV. But it is allowed. So a new TLV = must be assigned from the registry (presumably = 2).

> > Oh wait, here is the Humbug = switching technology, that *also* cares about fridge = temperatures.

 

> > See my = point?

 

 

 

 

Thanks<= /p>

 <= /p>

Fatai

 




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HTTP; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 05:44:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:44:17 -0400 Message-ID: To: "teas@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f403045e2966a3d061054ab02f9c Archived-At: Cc: TEAS WG Chairs Subject: Re: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-scsi X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:44:20 -0000 --f403045e2966a3d061054ab02f9c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 This WG LC is closed. The authors will publish a new rev (on March 27th) addressing the concerns raised during the LC. Regards, - Pavan On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > All, > This starts a two-week working group last call on > draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-scsi-01 > > The working group last call ends on Mar 11th. > Please send your comments to the TEAS mailing list. > > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and > believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! > This is useful and important, even from authors. > > Thank you, > Pavan > --f403045e2966a3d061054ab02f9c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This WG LC is closed.

The authors will publis= h a new rev (on March 27th) addressing the concerns raised during the LC.
Regards,
- Pavan
=
On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Vishnu Pava= n Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
This starts a two-week working group last <= span class=3D"m_1954288460004663896gmail-m_724961284273285207gmail-m_-49045= 37520081573788gmail-il">call on
draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-scsi-01

The working group last call ends on Mar 11th.
Please send your comments to the TEA= S mailing list.

Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and
believe it is ready for publication", are welcome!
This is useful and important, even from authors.

Thank you,
Pavan

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Attendees: Xufeng, Igor, Pavan, Dieter, Tarek - Continued discussion on multi-layer topologies covering more than 2 layer= s. > A 3 layer hybrid node example was discussed. > Discussed the logical node decompositions for transitional link. > Discussed the mappings and transformations of LTPs and TTPs. > Discussed the potential uses cases where different client layers are adopted on a TTP. > Agreed to keep the TTPs after the decomposition. - Discussed inter-layer lock ID for multi-layer topologies covering more than 2 layers. > Agreed to add bandwidth to each client-layer-adaptation. - Discussed the sync-up with TE tunnel model. > Will reuse the grouping in te-types for underlay path element. > Will reuse the grouping in te-types to support multiple primary paths. > Will sync up with TE tunnel models whenever TE tunnel model updates. > Agreed to change leaf tunnel-id to a list of tunnel-name's. - Logistics > Will take a break from our weekly meetings starting next week and resum= e after ietf98. Thanks, - Xufeng Note: Please drop me an email if you need an invite for joining the weekly = call. --_000_BN3PR0201MB086771200541390585838304F1240BN3PR0201MB0867_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Attendees:

Xufeng, Igor, Pavan, Dieter, Tarek

 

- Continued discussion on multi-layer topologies cov= ering more than 2 layers.

  > A 3 layer hybrid node example was discus= sed.

  > Discussed the logical node decomposition= s for transitional link.

  > Discussed the mappings and transformatio= ns of LTPs and TTPs.

  > Discussed the potential uses cases where= different client layers

    are adopted on a TTP.<= /p>

  > Agreed to keep the TTPs after the decomp= osition.

 

- Discussed inter-layer lock ID for multi-layer topo= logies covering

  more than 2 layers.

  > Agreed to add bandwidth to each cli= ent-layer-adaptation.

 

- Discussed the sync-up with TE tunnel model.

  > Will reuse the grouping in te-types for = underlay path element.

  > Will reuse the grouping in te-types to s= upport multiple primary paths.

  > Will sync up with TE tunnel models whene= ver TE tunnel model updates.

  > Agreed to change leaf tunnel-id to a lis= t of tunnel-name's.

 

- Logistics

  > Will take a break from our weekly meetin= gs starting next week and resume after ietf98.

 

Thanks,

 

- Xufeng

 

Note: Please drop me an email if you need an invite = for joining the weekly call.

--_000_BN3PR0201MB086771200541390585838304F1240BN3PR0201MB0867_-- From nobody Wed Mar 15 08:48:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903FD1316B0 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:48:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dc15uBmucAhM for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F31B9124234 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:48:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=384; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1489592889; x=1490802489; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=YGf5MZAAJV1SdhLx9MeOo+BBzFMv2oTswXJ8yh4DaPM=; b=WnY6WG/wVnd6vYNlg3nPh6LCb2r5UIX+/MHMMiSDxn7+52q2FFXHdzNk io429dxhj/DRlLCYqqQytXvrVNuScMvTEv1LwMp9gOZjvvXGtx0uafK+Q ajBwGOmiFhFfvwfuMYf1cInhn7MB1qMbnMC+zbSp1C4bLLGGTZpt2VAQC g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ARAQDbYMlY/4sNJK1dGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg1FhgRGNZqcSgg4qhXiCcD8YAQIBAQEBAQEBayiFVj8SAT5CJgE?= =?us-ascii?q?EDg2JeA6wR4pgAQEBAQEBAQECAQEBAQEBAQEBGgWGTo8oBZxDAYFRkGCBbAEXh?= =?us-ascii?q?SWKBYhGiwABHziBBFgVQYZXh2oHgSkBgQwBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.36,169,1486425600"; d="scan'208";a="210329430" Received: from alln-core-6.cisco.com ([173.36.13.139]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 15 Mar 2017 15:48:09 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-003.cisco.com (xch-rcd-003.cisco.com [173.37.102.13]) by alln-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2FFjcNH006164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:48:09 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-RCD-003.cisco.com (173.37.102.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:47:38 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:47:38 -0500 From: "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" To: "TEAS WG (teas@ietf.org)" CC: "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" Thread-Topic: Draft agenda for Chicago Thread-Index: AdKdowHTbNZ1x9IkQBO+Wu7DqdjWoA== Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:47:38 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [161.44.193.154] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Draft agenda for Chicago X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:48:12 -0000 All, This has now been published at https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/agenda/a= genda-98-teas-00. Please let me know if there's any issues with it. A reminder: please provide slides to me and the Chairs by Friday. If you ha= ve a WG draft that you aren't presenting, please send us a summary slide an= d send a status update to the list, also by Friday. Cheers Matt From nobody Thu Mar 16 05:56:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308F312949F for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:56:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.796, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WevK0DNMqeiM for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C32EE12949A for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20893 invoked by uid 0); 16 Mar 2017 12:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2017 12:56:29 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw3 with id wcwR1u00W2SSUrH01cwUXP; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:56:29 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=WOnsABcR c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=6Iz7jQTuP9IA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=aP9uiSxpxzixyZON6AkA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=rKrVYePj7rwA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=mpoQX3f6xbeFRB1CWJmyoIjbZyAAOQd3Y5wXvLj9up8=; b=lDlD7VPFt13Bo2is1a1R1dYcMD PHO0kBwA6xerBALuxg6gdo4Rk1Bi2RUGUjAwexS9IoXiTUmE0yuOFPkEh6jU3XyfWbCFeNJaLmnBn oK27eGeNrxdgcD4ovKr+QtKiH; Received: from pool-100-15-85-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.85.191]:45210 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1coUx7-0007nX-NQ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:56:25 -0600 To: "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" , "TEAS WG (teas@ietf.org)" References: From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <18f92fcd-2d9d-9b98-af45-9c573298217f@labn.net> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 08:56:23 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.85.191 X-Exim-ID: 1coUx7-0007nX-NQ X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-85-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.85.191]:45210 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 3 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Draft agenda for Chicago X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 12:56:35 -0000 The agenda has been slightly updated - the latest can be found at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/agenda/ PS Thanks to Matt for pulling the agenda together! On 3/15/2017 11:47 AM, Matt Hartley (mhartley) wrote: > All, > > This has now been published at https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/agenda/agenda-98-teas-00. Please let me know if there's any issues with it. > > A reminder: please provide slides to me and the Chairs by Friday. If you have a WG draft that you aren't presenting, please send us a summary slide and send a status update to the list, also by Friday. > > Cheers > > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > From nobody Thu Mar 16 06:20:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4B21294D1 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:20:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.796, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AHUEqMoCsPb8 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy9.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FA461294C7 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw3 (unknown [10.0.90.84]) by gproxy9.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3941E06CF for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 07:20:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw3 with id wdLm1u00i2SSUrH01dLprR; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 07:20:49 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=WOnsABcR c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=6Iz7jQTuP9IA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=KFAXJUPPybPxgy7gUTgA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=SQbK6I1/xFPdN/iRVXPpW5Kv8rmCESklOl2LUi88Cqs=; b=UxTxMD5ZhSulwnZTXAph8MHCIc aDwBa593jwH0lkdLurPvxPeuQ0ZHbepFnKp/lYRlFfz+RGWEjIwVmbmDb/4i+8Bgz8JAAHIUsporQ HC8rS64NxTX4u+dpxtwFsZAyR; Received: from pool-100-15-85-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.85.191]:46442 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1coVKe-0003RO-Gi; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 07:20:46 -0600 To: "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" , "TEAS WG (teas@ietf.org)" References: <18f92fcd-2d9d-9b98-af45-9c573298217f@labn.net> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <4b2cdd5f-5622-5c33-460a-e22ab2bd2289@labn.net> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:20:35 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <18f92fcd-2d9d-9b98-af45-9c573298217f@labn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.85.191 X-Exim-ID: 1coVKe-0003RO-Gi X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-85-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.85.191]:46442 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Draft agenda for Chicago X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:20:54 -0000 one more time... Link is at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/agenda/teas Lou On 3/16/2017 8:56 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > The agenda has been slightly updated - the latest can be found at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/agenda/ > > PS Thanks to Matt for pulling the agenda together! > > > On 3/15/2017 11:47 AM, Matt Hartley (mhartley) wrote: >> All, >> >> This has now been published at https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/agenda/agenda-98-teas-00. Please let me know if there's any issues with it. >> >> A reminder: please provide slides to me and the Chairs by Friday. If you have a WG draft that you aren't presenting, please send us a summary slide and send a status update to the list, also by Friday. >> >> Cheers >> >> Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Teas mailing list >> Teas@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas >> > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > From nobody Thu Mar 16 18:17:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEA7129BB3; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:17:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yl2FzVxifnsi; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11533129BAD; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (unknown [112.204.187.55]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B3E2D18013D1; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 02:17:18 +0100 (CET) To: "draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , pce@ietf.org, TEAS WG , "routing-discussion@ietf.org" From: Loa Andersson Cc: "ccamp-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "Andrew G. Malis" , Ignas Bagdonas , "n.leymann@telekom.de" , Stewart Bryant , "draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org" , Deborah A Brungard Message-ID: <943b685f-1403-09e4-fba2-b0d9d1ad64eb@pi.nu> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:17:14 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] FlexE side meeting on Monday 17, at 18.30 - 20.00 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 01:17:27 -0000 Folks, On Monday March 27 in Zurich B , there will be a FlexE side meeting from 18:30-20:00. The meeting will be chaired bt Daniele Ceccarelli and Nic Leyman. The initiative for this meeting were taken within the group that works on a FlexE Framework document (draft-izh-ccamp- flexe-fwk), and has been sponsored by Deborah Brungard and the ccamp working group co-chairs. The intent is to bring people up to speed on the FlexE technology and try to understand what work will be appropriate to do in the IETF. The agenda will be: 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive: Iftekhar Hussain 3. FlexE in the IETF: Mach Chen 4. Open Mic Each presentation is panned to last 20 min, and the Open Mic 30 min. /Daniele, Fatai and Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Thu Mar 16 18:29:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BADD129B9B; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:29:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TpJBANgXTZBY; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E33A9129B98; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml708-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DCX99556; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 01:29:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML411-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.70) by lhreml708-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.49) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 01:29:01 +0000 Received: from DGGEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.33) by nkgeml411-hub.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.70) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:28:58 +0800 Received: from DGGEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.147]) by DGGEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:28:55 +0800 From: Fatai Zhang To: Loa Andersson , "draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , "pce@ietf.org" , TEAS WG , "routing-discussion@ietf.org" , "ccamp@ietf.org" CC: Ignas Bagdonas , "ccamp-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , Deborah A Brungard , "Andrew G. 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Autumn ________________________________ From: fengman.xu@verizon.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 7:40:00 AM To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram; Huaimo Chen; Raveendra Torvi; ningso01@gmail.com; = Liu, Hua; zhenbin.li@huawei.com; yshen@juniper.net; Tarek Saad (tsaad); meh= met.toy@verizon.com; liulei.kddi@gmail.com; renwei.li@huawei.com; quintin.z= hao@huawei.com; Boris.Zhang@telus.com; mjork@juniper.net Cc: teas@ietf.org; TEAS WG Chairs Subject: RE: [E] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. 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I am not aware of any IPR that applied to this draft.


Autumn

From: fengman.xu@verizon.co= m <fengman.xu@verizon.com>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 7:40:00 AM
To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram; Huaimo Chen; Raveendra Torvi; ningso01@gmai= l.com; Liu, Hua; zhenbin.li@huawei.com; yshen@juniper.net; Tarek Saad (tsaa= d); mehmet.toy@verizon.com; liulei.kddi@gmail.com; renwei.li@huawei.com; qu= intin.zhao@huawei.com; Boris.Zhang@telus.com; mjork@juniper.net
Cc: teas@ietf.org; TEAS WG Chairs
Subject: RE: [E] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-prote= ction
 

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

 <= /p>

From: Vishnu P= avan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 3:34 PM
To: Huaimo Chen; Raveendra Torvi; ningso01@gmail.com; hliu@ciena.com= ; zhenbin.li@huawei.com; yshen@juniper.net; Tarek Saad (tsaad); Xu, Fengman= ; Toy, Mehmet; liulei.kddi@gmail.com; renwei.li@huawei.com; quintin.zhao@hu= awei.com; Boris.Zhang@telus.com; mjork@juniper.net
Cc: teas@ietf.org; TEAS WG Chairs
Subject: [E] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protectio= n

 

Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Last Call

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S
TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/Int= ellectualProperty.

Thank you,
Pavan and Lou

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Autumn ________________________________ From: fengman.xu@verizon.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 7:39:59 AM To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram; Huaimo Chen; Liu, Hua; Tarek Saad (tsaad); huanglu= @chinamobile.com; ningso01@gmail.com; mehmet.toy@verizon.com; lliu@us.fujit= su.com; lizhenbin@huawei.com; boris.zhang@telus.com; mengnan@huawei.com; pr= ejeeth@gmail.com; liu.cmri@gmail.com Cc: teas@ietf.org; TEAS WG Chairs Subject: RE: [E] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 3:41 PM To: Huaimo Chen; hliu@ciena.com; Tarek Saad (tsaad); Xu, Fengman; huanglu@c= hinamobile.com; ningso01@gmail.com; Toy, Mehmet; lliu@us.fujitsu.com; lizhe= nbin@huawei.com; boris.zhang@telus.com; mengnan@huawei.com; prejeeth@gmail.= com; liu.cmri@gmail.com Cc: teas@ietf.org; TEAS WG Chairs Subject: [E] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of the preparation for WG Last Call Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. 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I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.


Autumn

From: fengman.xu@verizon.co= m <fengman.xu@verizon.com>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 7:39:59 AM
To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram; Huaimo Chen; Liu, Hua; Tarek Saad (tsaad); = huanglu@chinamobile.com; ningso01@gmail.com; mehmet.toy@verizon.com; lliu@u= s.fujitsu.com; lizhenbin@huawei.com; boris.zhang@telus.com; mengnan@huawei.= com; prejeeth@gmail.com; liu.cmri@gmail.com
Cc: teas@ietf.org; TEAS WG Chairs
Subject: RE: [E] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protec= tion
 

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

 <= /p>

From: Vishnu P= avan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 3:41 PM
To: Huaimo Chen; hliu@ciena.com; Tarek Saad (tsaad); Xu, Fengman; hu= anglu@chinamobile.com; ningso01@gmail.com; Toy, Mehmet; lliu@us.fujitsu.com= ; lizhenbin@huawei.com; boris.zhang@telus.com; mengnan@huawei.com; prejeeth= @gmail.com; liu.cmri@gmail.com
Cc: teas@ietf.org; TEAS WG Chairs
Subject: [E] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection=

 

Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Last Call

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S
TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/Int= ellectualProperty.

Thank you,
Pavan and Lou

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.

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We'll start WG LC for this after the upcoming IETF meeting. Regards, - Pavan On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S > TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > Pavan and Lou > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > --f403045f813aa8e9ed054b13619f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All the required responses are in. We'll sta= rt WG LC for this after the upcoming IETF meeting.

Regards,
- Pavan

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupava= n@gmail.com> wrote:
Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Last Call

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR rules&= quot;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S<= br> TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR<= /span> rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR<= /span> of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed I= PR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
Pavan and Lou

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We'll start WG LC for this after the upcoming IETF meeting. Regards, - Pavan On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. 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All the required responses are in. We'll sta= rt WG LC for this after the upcoming IETF meeting.

Regards,
- Pavan

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram &l= t;vishnupavan@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Last Call

Are you aware of any = IPR that applies to draft identifi= ed above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to = this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this dr= aft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with I= ETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance wit= h IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advan= ce to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S<= br> TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the = IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to = refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the R= FCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
Pavan and Lou

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Folks, Hi!

Agenda for next week's TEAS WG Sessio= n:
htt= ps://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/agenda/teas/
Monday, Mar 27, 2017, 0900 - 1130=
Vevey 1/2

Agenda for Joint WG YANG Session (MPLS/PCE/TEAS/CCAMP):
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/agenda/mpls/
Friday, Mar 31, 2017, 0900 - 1130
Zurich D
=
Please note that the TE-Topology/TE/RSVP Yang drafts have been slotted in bo= th the sessions.=C2=A0 In the Monday session, the authors of these drafts will focus solely on op= en-questions and a few specific items that=20 need more discussion time. In the Friday session, the authors will give an overall update on the progress of the d= rafts.

Other logistics:

We will as always b= e using etherpad for collaborative note taking.
The etherpad link is
= http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-98-teas?= useMonospaceFont=3Dtrue

Links to audio streams, meetecho=C2=A0 and jabber can be found at
https://tools.ietf= .org/agenda/98/#98-mon-0900-teas
https://tools.ietf.org/agenda/98/#98-fri-0900-m= pls

Please note that WG Draft authors who aren't presenting should send=20 status to the list prior to the WG meeting. Please send your status update by Thursday, Mar 23rd. Status includes=20 review of: any recent changes, any open discussions or issues, and=20 planned next steps.

For all drafts that have a slot in the agenda on Mar 27th, we need the pres= entation-slides sent out to us by Friday, Mar 24th.

Cheers,
Pavan and Lou.
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Malis" , Ignas Bagdonas , "n.leymann@telekom.de" , Stewart Bryant , Deborah A Brungard , "ccamp@ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <3906fe87-3871-ce18-3fa1-235dc4fadbbf@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:25:04 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <943b685f-1403-09e4-fba2-b0d9d1ad64eb@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Change of date and time: Re: FlexE side meeting at a new time -- Tuesday at 18:45 in Zurich B X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:25:15 -0000 Folks, The FlexE side meeting (see below) has been rescheduled the new time is Tuesday March 22 at 18:45 in Zurich B. Sorry for ant inconveniences. /Loa On 2017-03-17 09:17, Loa Andersson wrote: > Folks, > > On Monday March 27 in Zurich B , there will be a FlexE side meeting > from 18:30-20:00. The meeting will be chaired bt Daniele Ceccarelli > and Nic Leyman. The initiative for this meeting were taken within the > group that works on a FlexE Framework document (draft-izh-ccamp- > flexe-fwk), and has been sponsored by Deborah Brungard and the ccamp > working group co-chairs. > > The intent is to bring people up to speed on the FlexE technology and > try to understand what work will be appropriate to do in the IETF. > > The agenda will be: > > 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng > 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive: Iftekhar Hussain > 3. FlexE in the IETF: Mach Chen > 4. Open Mic > > Each presentation is panned to last 20 min, and the Open Mic 30 min. > > > /Daniele, Fatai and Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Wed Mar 22 05:02:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D841296EE for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 05:02:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qF6pRWeBV-QH for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 05:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AD991296ED for ; 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Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:01:51 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:01:48 -0000 Message-ID: <092801d2a304$192e0a10$4b8a1e30$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdKjAQCGf8izQ3yMS7OoydcGNA1l8w== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.1.0.1062-22956.006 X-TM-AS-Result: No--1.765-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--1.765-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 5KH3OloHCOTM4Jo9tQxVRFEp96PnqFJsyeUl7aCTy8gtxWTKNQZuPvHu aO28ZQcQAWAcivOQAqxrmW2PST1/K+ZHRjmtPnwOgV26YsWy3m0k80hXoYXya+OxOq7LQlGLqMt 87OW6FERmJY3OOE6gaz5x3tC0dJPkYAmall7++5SQmLXB14cW2tfWePJ1ZvXIe9u3LPgWWUaNdI B4UcAwUeLzNWBegCW2XC3N7C7YzrdxaUCQQDd7g2rz/G/ZSbVq+gtHj7OwNO1Sa+jpKCDmESrA6 iJ268qFqDwlJpNluiJwW0KKKM4WlYMlrryGq/fxZ25OI1rqr/kpyaJ9MOZndVYA8JFqVlYYXnYT 93m+vK/lhYfdblK207nrea/QXYb3dOnI8WPGJZtXLGtABlf0m/uiDMcv/L85wL6SxPpr1/I= Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Status update on X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:02:11 -0000 Hi, As requested, here is the status of this I-D. - Not on the agenda in Chicago - 00 Adopted 11/14/17 - 01 Editor's revision 11/30/17 - Fixed idnits - Fixed references - Fixed spelling - Tidied a little English - 02 Revision 1/3/17 - Completed text - Multi-domain considerations - Security considerations - Related work - PCEP extensions being considered in PCE draft-zhuang-pce-stateful-pce-lsp-scheduling draft-chen-pce-tts - Authors are planning a merge - Plans and next steps... - Suggest to wait until PCE adopts solutions - Suggest to further wait until solutions reach -02 revision - However, *could* proceed to last call now Adrian From nobody Wed Mar 22 12:19:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF1312967D for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:19:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.121 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EKRz6nBxYsA5 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newdragon.webhostserver.biz (newdragon.webhostserver.biz [69.25.136.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5CDD129507 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [::1] (port=55759) by newdragon.webhostserver.biz with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1cqlmt-0004uZ-7q; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 22:19:15 +0300 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk, teas@ietf.org References: <092c01d2a304$19ca7120$4d5f5360$@olddog.co.uk> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <30c7bedf-3866-e824-147d-d3344c02a8dd@labn.net> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 15:19:14 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <092c01d2a304$19ca7120$4d5f5360$@olddog.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - newdragon.webhostserver.biz X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: newdragon.webhostserver.biz: authenticated_id: lberger@blabn.com X-Authenticated-Sender: newdragon.webhostserver.biz: lberger@blabn.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:19:17 -0000 WG, This is the 2nd (or 3rd) time the authors are stating that the document is ready to LC since it was adopted ~6months ago - without there being any substantive discussion on the document within the WG and only a minor update in December. It's a little hard for us (chairs) to know if silence is due to complete agreement with the document or simply apathy. From the message below, the authors clearly think it's the former. If you are *not* an author of this document and are willing to share your opinion on this document, please do so -- preferably on the list, but unicast to the chairs is also acceptable. We will also ask for feedback on the draft during the status portion of the meeting. Thank you, Lou (and Pavan) On 3/22/2017 8:01 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi, > > As requested, here is the status of this I-D. > > - Not on the agenda in Chicago > > - New revision posted in December > - Fixed nits after re-review by several authors > > - The authors have repeatedly pointed out to the chairs that the > document is complete and ready to move forward. > - At this stage, the chairs are blocking progress > > - Related work... > - Use cases document has been adopted in TEAS > draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases > > Adrian > > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > From nobody Wed Mar 22 13:06:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD23129A2F for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:06:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lSBrNz1NoMDt for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22a.google.com (mail-io0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77D75126C7B for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id b140so71287770iof.1 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:06:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=FEHeZ4PwwCgO0OTbL0EzV759t+SRHYfIFSsJ1pN9X1k=; b=tPWNEk/eAzv4TZOagyFLwp12IHCQ3aqACXOpGgH5pfup/FoFXUrGUXHqejMorj2aCP 8IYfZsWEjSSllU0zPCFcCwFwj6l1P8mrphLudVvZ0sl18jWDDdCzpcPg7wsIdIsCPOQG EIgcmtQbHzDGMY8NiyBrtyTczMwwg/zHlVFAbUhhltssQO/VHlNRtAvMipnKXpOh2nhR hty7hzQN+TwM8iEGb8x9pj/IE2bY5RLUbDSc2cibiJj5QBeFUwXy3UeelbtkVEv7PqjV vRlIeCnxhZ2wAVAK+choLMDzeqj6+pYSg2yQm7VwlIZWMtQK3fWCQORR2s4ApAqqqF5H 95Sg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=FEHeZ4PwwCgO0OTbL0EzV759t+SRHYfIFSsJ1pN9X1k=; b=LHtTKM3PjSuTEEOet6gRLq+iWOf4WOs/jVQ4IfocQxQWeMl55EhcGBJW7YW1jqW4/N 8/mrBOCgBNrksWhjlQdNSIeQV9W5M0mxzaM6w95tRMwVumMTqZNVxNcBRjZCPD10Xsbs rt+mtlkm0OpeW12U5CI1i08J46luf0WMyY0cVxlxh+ZKp41l7bT5P2i2ulllIrg/o7QM WcIFelXpx1YMGcVomKrUxrJXPpYLvUSWY/LZMdLzmUGeW+GsMhP8QYFKoqMzq4MbfWkV AkFM9gGCC4UAYkQ/L8iao7N6mxLdQmAyrBfczrr8RlsCNvGWy5Ns1WwwdtAV+H43oQVo GzQg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1+MUITyBmu8b/HrXbhz8qv9366NGQnFomRbj0YHPiEgh0Je0CYFQKXQIi2tyNZAZ6LC6p8e8kfaieorQ== X-Received: by 10.107.14.69 with SMTP id 66mr43750117ioo.88.1490213161869; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:06:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.22.145 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:06:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Rakesh Gandhi Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:06:01 -0400 Message-ID: To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram Cc: "teas@ietf.org" , "Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi)" , Dhruv Dhody Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ffac82729cd054b574a10 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] -- Open Thread X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:06:05 -0000 --001a113ffac82729cd054b574a10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pavan, Thanks for adding the following text in the document. I have couple of examples below for discussion. "A DS-TE LSR that advertises Bandwidth Constraints TLV should update the bandwidth constraints for class-types based on operator policy. For example, when Russian Dolls Model (RDM) [RFC4127] is in use, then only BC0 may be updated. Whereas, when Maximum Allocation Model (MAM) [RFC4125] is in use, then all BCs may be updated equally such that the total value updated is equal to the newly calculated SR traffic average." For RDM, if we take an example where max-res-bw is configured as 10, bc0 as10 and bc1 as 8. If max-res-bw is reduced by 4, then max-res-bw and bc0 will become 6. What about bc1 which is 8 and now > max-res-bw of 6? For MAM, if we take an example where max-res-bw is configured as 10, bc0 as 8 and bc1 as 5 (BC pools have over-booking of (8+5-10=3D3) but max-res-bw i= s the limit enforced on the link). If we reduce the max-res-bw by 4 to new value 6, we may still keep the bc0 and bc1 as is (but now over-booking is more (8+5-6=3D7) but max-res-bw is still the limit enforced on the link). Thoughts? Thanks, Rakesh On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > Rakesh, > We recently posted a new revision for this draft ( > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sitaraman-sr-rsvp-coexistence-rec-02). > This new version addresses all comments related to DS-TE. > > WG, > Please do let us know if there are any further questions/comments. At thi= s > juncture, we would like to request this draft to be considered for adopti= on. > > Regards, > -Pavan (as a co-author) > > > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram < > vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Rakesh, Hi! >> >> Thanks for bringing this up. We'll look at adding some text covering >> DS-TE in the next version. >> >> Regards, >> -Pavan >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:48 AM, Rakesh Gandhi >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Pavan, >>> >>> For the option where max-res-bw is adjusted, it would be good to add in >>> the document what happens to Diff-Serve TE BC model RDM, MAM and MAR >>> bandwidth pools. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Rakesh >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram < >>> vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Folks, Hi! >>>> >>>> We presented in yesterday's >>>> morning session. Unfortunately, we didn't have any time left to take >>>> questions. So, I'm opening up a thread for folks to post their >>>> questions/concerns. >>>> >>>> Dhruv (on cc) had a couple of questions and I'll start this thread wit= h >>>> responses to those -- >>>> >>>> (1) Why can't you do only SR on the controller and leave RSVP-TE >>>> control stay distributed? >>>> The base requirement for this =E2=80=9Cco-existence arrangement=E2=80= =9D is to ensure >>>> that the placement of SR LSPs in the same domain DOES NOT introduce an= y >>>> inaccuracies in the TED that is used by distributed or centralized RSV= P >>>> Path computation engines. If your SR-LSPs are management by a >>>> centralized controller and you don't have the SR utilization informati= on >>>> somehow reflected in the TED used by distributed RSVP-TE path computat= ion >>>> engines, it would result in the TED information being not accurate. >>>> >>>> (2) With Option-5, wouldn't there be issues if not all nodes in the >>>> network support the recommended procedure? >>>> You do need the recommended procedure to be applied on all RSVP-TE >>>> nodes in the domain. If not, the TED information would not be complete= ly >>>> accurate. This is TRUE for the other options as well -- the chosen opt= ion >>>> would need to be uniformly applied to all relevant nodes in the networ= k. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> -Pavan >>>> >>>> ps: I believe Rakesh (on cc) had a question as well, but couldn't get >>>> his chance. @Rakesh -- Please do post your question here and we (the >>>> authors) will respond to it. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Teas mailing list >>>> Teas@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas >>>> >>>> >>> >> > --001a113ffac82729cd054b574a10 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Pavan,

Thanks for adding the following text in the document. I have couple of examples below for discussion.


"A DS-TE LSR that advertises Bandwidth Constraints TLV should update t= he bandwidth constraints for class-types based on operator policy. For example= , when Russian Dolls Model (RDM) [RFC4127] is in use, then only BC0 may be updated. Whereas, when Maximum Allocation Model (MAM) [RFC4125] is in use, = then all BCs may be updated equally such that the total value updated is equal t= o the newly calculated SR traffic average."

For RDM, if we take an example where max-res-bw is configured as 10, bc0 as10 and bc1 as 8. If max-res-bw is red= uced by 4, then max-res-bw and bc0 will become 6. What about bc1 which is 8 and = now > max-res-bw of 6?

For MAM, if we take an example where max-res-bw is configured as 10, bc0 as 8 and bc1 as 5 (BC pools have over-booking of (8+5-10=3D3) but max-res-bw is the limit enforced on the li= nk). If we reduce the max-res-bw by 4 to new value 6, we may still keep the bc0 = and bc1 as is (but now over-booking is more (8+5-6=3D7) but max-res-bw is still= the limit enforced on the link).

Thoughts?

Thanks,

Rakesh


On Tue, Feb= 28, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Rakesh,
We recently posted a new revision for this draft (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sitaraman-sr-rsv= p-coexistence-rec-02). This new version addresses all comments rel= ated to DS-TE.

WG,
Please do let us know if there are any f= urther questions/comments. At this juncture, we would like to request this = draft to be considered for adoption.

Regards,
-Pavan = (as a co-author)



On Tue, Nov 15= , 2016 at 4:32 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
= Rakesh, Hi!

<= /span>
Thanks for bringing this up. We'll look at adding some text co= vering DS-TE in the next version.

Regards,
=
-Pavan


On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at= 4:48 AM, Rakesh Gandhi <rgandhi.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:=
Hi Pavan= ,

For the option where max-res-bw is adjusted, it would be goo= d to add in the document what happens to Diff-Serve TE BC model RDM, MAM an= d MAR bandwidth pools.

Thanks,
Rakesh


On Tue, Nov 1= 5, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
=
Folks, Hi!

We presented <draft-sitaraman-sr-rs= vp-coexistence-rec> in yesterday's morning session. = Unfortunately, we didn't have any time left to take questions. So, I= 9;m opening up a thread for folks to post their questions/concerns.

=
Dhruv (on cc) had a couple of questions and I'll start= this thread with responses to those --

(1) Wh= y can't you do only SR on the controller and leave RSVP-TE control stay= distributed?
The base requirement for this =E2=80= =9Cco-existence arrangement=E2=80=9D is to ensure that the placement of SR = LSPs in the same domain DOES NOT introduce any inaccuracies in the TED that= is used by distributed or centralized RSVP Path computation engines.= If your SR-LSPs are management by a centralized controller and you don'= ;t have the SR utilization information somehow reflected in the TED used by= distributed RSVP-TE path computation engines, it would result in the TED i= nformation being not accurate.

= (2) With Option-5, w= ouldn't there be issues if not all nodes in the network support the rec= ommended procedure?
You do nee= d the recommended procedure to be applied on all RSVP-TE nodes in the domai= n. If not, the TED information would not be completely accurate. This is TR= UE for the other options as well -- the chosen option would need to be unif= ormly applied to all relevant nodes in the network.

Regards,
-Pavan

ps: I belie= ve Rakesh (on cc) had a question as well, but couldn't get=20 his chance. @Rakesh -- Please do post your question here and we (the=20 authors) will respond to it.

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track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.84.20 X-Exim-ID: 1cqnRq-0004ka-SC X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-84-20.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.84.20]:43154 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 3 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] [Detnet] IETF98 NetSlices side meeting agenda and schedule (27/03 Mon @ 18:15) Location: Vevey 1/2 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 21:05:47 -0000 Given the wide distribution and formalism of this so called side meeting, I'd like to remind all of RFC6771 as well as remind the contributors that there are chartered WGs that would be open to hearing from them. Lou PS With chair hat off, I'd love to hear why this isn't a BoF? Was it simply to sidestep the two bof rule? On 3/22/2017 4:37 PM, Kiran.Makhijani wrote: > > [Changed recepients from BCC to ‘To’: NV03, DMM, DETNET, TEAS, ANIMA, > NFVRG to bypass list-owner’s approval; Please don’t reply-all] > > > > Hello all, > > We invite you to participate in NetSlices side meeting at IETF 98. The > details are as follows - > > > > - Location: Room Vevey 1/2, > > - Date/Time: 2017.03.27, 18:15-21:15 > > - Agenda: > https://github.com/netslices/IETF-NetSlices/tree/master/IETF98_Sidemeeting02 > > Please see detailed (agenda.md) and summarized (agenda.txt) text. > > Scope of the meeting is mentioned in agenda as well. > > > > Please feel free to forward this invitation to anyone interested. > > > > Regards > > Kiran, DongJie, Alex, Stewart > > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Wed Mar 22 15:58:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93759129C40; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 15:57:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id btGn9eQuc-ZY; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 15:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2ED56129C35; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 15:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id C4FC0B80DAD; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 15:57:11 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, drafts-update-ref@iana.org, teas@ietf.org Message-Id: <20170322225711.C4FC0B80DAD@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 15:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] RFC 8131 on RSVP-TE Signaling Procedure for End-to-End GMPLS Restoration and Resource Sharing X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 22:57:48 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8131 Title: RSVP-TE Signaling Procedure for End-to-End GMPLS Restoration and Resource Sharing Author: X. Zhang, H. Zheng, Ed., R. Gandhi, Ed., Z. Ali, P. Brzozowski Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date: March 2017 Mailbox: zhang.xian@huawei.com, zhenghaomian@huawei.com, rgandhi@cisco.com, zali@cisco.com, pbrzozowski@advaoptical.com Pages: 15 Characters: 33403 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-resource-sharing-proc-08.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8131 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8131 In non-packet transport networks, there are requirements where the Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) end-to-end recovery scheme needs to employ a restoration Label Switched Path (LSP) while keeping resources for the working and/or protecting LSPs reserved in the network after the failure occurs. This document reviews how the LSP association is to be provided using Resource Reservation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) signaling in the context of a GMPLS end-to-end recovery scheme when using restoration LSP where failed LSP is not torn down. In addition, this document discusses resource sharing-based setup and teardown of LSPs as well as LSP reversion procedures. No new signaling extensions are defined by this document, and it is strictly informative in nature. This document is a product of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Working Group of the IETF. INFORMATIONAL: This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From nobody Thu Mar 23 01:07:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D9112E76A; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 01:07:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Ii-PIai-Kc1; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 01:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66B331317DD; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 01:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.9.46] (unknown [46.218.58.213]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5D8F91802A16; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:07:24 +0100 (CET) To: "draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , pce@ietf.org, TEAS WG , "routing-discussion@ietf.org" References: <943b685f-1403-09e4-fba2-b0d9d1ad64eb@pi.nu> <3906fe87-3871-ce18-3fa1-235dc4fadbbf@pi.nu> Cc: Ignas Bagdonas , "mpls@ietf.org" , "ccamp-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , Deborah A Brungard , "ccamp@ietf.org" , "n.leymann@telekom.de" From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <2cb8e8e6-0412-f8aa-311a-bc2ae84364b1@pi.nu> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:07:20 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3906fe87-3871-ce18-3fa1-235dc4fadbbf@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Change of date and time: Re: FlexE side meeting at a new time -- Tuesday at 18:45 in Zurich B X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:07:29 -0000 All, Sorry to clog your in inboxes, but there is an error in the changes message. The meeting will take place: Tuesday March 28 at 18:45 in Zurich B ^^ /Loa On 2017-03-22 18:25, Loa Andersson wrote: > Folks, > > The FlexE side meeting (see below) has been rescheduled the new time > is Tuesday March 22 at 18:45 in Zurich B. > > Sorry for ant inconveniences. > > /Loa > > On 2017-03-17 09:17, Loa Andersson wrote: >> Folks, >> >> On Monday March 27 in Zurich B , there will be a FlexE side meeting >> from 18:30-20:00. The meeting will be chaired bt Daniele Ceccarelli >> and Nic Leyman. The initiative for this meeting were taken within the >> group that works on a FlexE Framework document (draft-izh-ccamp- >> flexe-fwk), and has been sponsored by Deborah Brungard and the ccamp >> working group co-chairs. >> >> The intent is to bring people up to speed on the FlexE technology and >> try to understand what work will be appropriate to do in the IETF. >> >> The agenda will be: >> >> 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng >> 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive: Iftekhar Hussain >> 3. FlexE in the IETF: Mach Chen >> 4. Open Mic >> >> Each presentation is panned to last 20 min, and the Open Mic 30 min. >> >> >> /Daniele, Fatai and Loa > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Thu Mar 23 08:03:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4EA1294F8; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:08:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 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Reply-To: To: "Kiran.Makhijani" , NVO3 , "teas@ietf.org" , "Anima@ietf.org" , "nfvrg@irtf.org" , "detnet@ietf.org" , "dmm@ietf.org" Cc: Alex Galis , "Dongjie (Jimmy)" , "stewart.bryant" , Chao Kan Message-ID: <936460141.2410376.1490295937351@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <2716CB65-5FA7-467D-A2CE-301888D946BC@huawei.com> References: <2716CB65-5FA7-467D-A2CE-301888D946BC@huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_2410375_880826400.1490295937351" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] [nvo3] IETF98 NetSlices side meeting agenda and schedule (27/03 Mon @ 18:15) Location: Vevey 1/2 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:05:47 -0000 ------=_Part_2410375_880826400.1490295937351 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2410374_1283835280.1490295937348" ------=_Part_2410374_1283835280.1490295937348 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kiran, DongJie, Alex, Stewart, Is the NetSlices a BoF? =C2=A0It's not on the official agenda. =C2=A0A few = of us would like to attend remotely. =C2=A0Will there be an audio/Jabber pr= ovided to allow remote participation? =C2=A0Thanks.=C2=A0Ning So972-955-091= 4 From: Kiran.Makhijani To: NVO3 ; "teas@ietf.org" ; "Anima@ietf.org= " ; "nfvrg@irtf.org" ; "detnet@ietf.org" ; "dmm@ietf.org" =20 Cc: Alex Galis ; Dongjie (Jimmy) ; stewart.bryant Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:38 PM Subject: [nvo3] IETF98 NetSlices side meeting agenda and schedule (27/03 M= on @ 18:15) Location: Vevey 1/2 =20 [Changed recepients from BCC to =E2= =80=98To=E2=80=99: NV03, DMM, DETNET, TEAS, ANIMA, NFVRG to bypass list-own= er=E2=80=99s approval; Please don=E2=80=99t reply-all] =C2=A0 Hello all, W= e invite you to participate in NetSlices side meeting at IETF 98. The detai= ls are as follows - =C2=A0 -=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0Location: Room Vevey 1/2, -=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Date/Time: 2017.03.27, 18:15-21:15 -=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Agenda: https://github.com/netslices/IETF-Net= Slices/tree/master/IETF98_Sidemeeting02 Please see detailed (agenda.md) and= summarized (agenda.txt) text. Scope of the meeting is mentioned in agenda = as well. =C2=A0 Please feel free to forward this invitation to anyone inter= ested. =C2=A0 Regards Kiran, DongJie, Alex, Stewart _______________________= ________________________ nvo3 mailing list nvo3@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nvo3 =20 ------=_Part_2410374_1283835280.1490295937348 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= Kiran, DongJie, Alex, Stewar= t,

Is the NetSlices a BoF?  It's not on th= e official agenda.  A few of us would like to attend remotely.  W= ill there be an audio/Jabber provided to allow remote participation?  = Thanks.
 
Ning So
972-955-0914


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To= : NVO3 <nvo3@ietf.org>; "teas@ietf.org" <teas@ietf.org&= gt;; "Anima@ietf.org" <Anima@ietf.org>; "nfvrg@irtf.org" <nfvrg@ir= tf.org>; "detnet@ietf.org" <detnet@ietf.org>; "dmm@ietf.org" <d= mm@ietf.org>
Cc: Al= ex Galis <galis.alex@gmail.com>; Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.= com>; stewart.bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:38 PM<= br> Subject: [nvo3] IETF98= NetSlices side meeting agenda and schedule (27/03 Mon @ 18:15) Location: V= evey 1/2

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[Changed recepients from BCC to =E2=80=98To=E2=80=99: NV03, DMM, DETNET, TEAS, ANIMA, NFVRG to bypas= s list-owner=E2=80=99s approval; Please don=E2=80=99t reply-all]=20
 
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Hel= lo all,
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We invite you to participate in NetSlices side meeting at IET= F 98. The details are as follows -
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-<= span style=3D"font:7.0pt;">        =   Location: Room Vevey 1/2,
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-<= span style=3D"font:7.0pt;">        =   Agenda: https://github.com/netslices/IETF-NetSlices/tree/master/IETF98_Sidemeeting0= 2
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Please see detailed (agenda.md) a= nd summarized (agenda.txt) text.
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Scope of the meeting is mentioned= in agenda as well.
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Ple= ase feel free to forward this invitation to anyone interested.
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Regards
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Kiran, DongJie, Alex, Stewart
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If you're presenting in Chicago, please get your slides to me= and the Chairs by the end of tomorrow so that we can upload them in time t= o give people a chance to look at them before the meeting if they'd like to= . If you have a WG draft that you aren't presenting, please send us a summa= ry slide and send a status update to the list, also by Friday. Many thanks to those who have already done this! Cheers Matt From nobody Thu Mar 23 16:32:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7701293E3; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:32:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NYQ7Vl0iNp0p; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFD7D1273E2; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DDI42378; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:32:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.38) by lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.46) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:32:25 +0000 Received: from SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.8]) by SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.233]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:32:16 -0700 From: Huaimo Chen To: "teas@ietf.org" , "teas-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Status update on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection Thread-Index: AdKjAQCGf8izQ3yMS7OoydcGNA1l8wBJwzmA Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:32:15 +0000 Message-ID: <5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D450151796@SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com> References: <092801d2a304$192e0a10$4b8a1e30$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <092801d2a304$192e0a10$4b8a1e30$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.245.30] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D450151796SJCEML701CHMchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020201.58D45B0A.0191, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.3.8, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 1781d3dd03fd43cb2fe0dbaadcd831c0 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Status update on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:32:31 -0000 --_000_5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D450151796SJCEML701CHMchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone, The following is a brief status update on this I-D: * Current Status: * The pre-WG-LC IPR poll is complete * Open Issues: * None after an editorial scrub has been done and conformance langua= ge has been used. 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Hi Everyone,

 

    The following is a brief status update on t= his I-D:

  • Current Status:
    • The pre-WG= -LC IPR poll is complete
  • Open Issues:
    • None after an editorial scr= ub has been done and conformance language has been used.

Best Regards,

Huaimo

 

--_000_5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D450151796SJCEML701CHMchi_-- From nobody Thu Mar 23 16:36:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBE7127058; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:36:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4KF9KBZqTS8k; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4752129516; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DDI42694; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:36:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.38) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:36:48 +0000 Received: from SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.8]) by SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.233]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:36:35 -0700 From: Huaimo Chen To: "teas@ietf.org" , "teas-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Status update on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection Thread-Index: AdKkLglVXE4rNmM6TYWfQu0cyOO7+Q== Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:36:35 +0000 Message-ID: <5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D4501517BD@SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.245.30] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D4501517BDSJCEML701CHMchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020205.58D45C15.0174, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.3.8, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 76781188c86d5bda5010eb2e762c7b44 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Status update on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:36:57 -0000 --_000_5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D4501517BDSJCEML701CHMchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone, The following is a brief status update on this I-D: * Current Status: * The pre-WG-LC IPR poll is complete * Open Issues: * None after the comments such as adding a reference have been addre= ssed. Best Regards, Huaimo --_000_5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D4501517BDSJCEML701CHMchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Everyone,

 

    The following is a brief status update on t= his I-D:

  • Current Status:
    • The pre-WG= -LC IPR poll is complete
  • Open Issues:
    • None after the comments suc= h as adding a reference have been addressed.

Best Regards,

Huaimo

 

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WG, Hi!

The following is a short update o= n this WG draft:
  • Published new rev (-04)
    • Minor edito= rial changes.
  • Addressed questions on the mailing-list:
  • Should RI-RSVP capability be signaled? Yes.
  • Should the=20 document be split? No.
  • Pending Issues:
    • None.
  • Next Steps:
    • Request WG LC.
    Regards,
    -Pavan (On behalf of the authors/contributors)
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    WG, Hi!

    The following is a short update on this WG = draft:
    • Published new rev (-05):
      • Addressed Document-S= hepherd's Pre-LC comments:
        • Culled a couple of sections that= were deemed unnecessary.
        • Fixed a few other editorial issues.
    • Pending Issues:
      • None.
    • Next Steps:=
      • Ready for WG LC.

    Regards,
    -Pavan (On beha= lf of the authors/contributors)
    --001a11432afccee5b1054b7128c3-- From nobody Thu Mar 23 23:40:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EC11293DF; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:40:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id olQeGHKo451G; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD22C13172E; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mb.local ([IPv6:2607:fb90:2702:d75:d551:9213:f4e9:3ce5]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v2O6e5n1096995 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 24 Mar 2017 06:40:06 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nagasaki.bogus.com: Host [IPv6:2607:fb90:2702:d75:d551:9213:f4e9:3ce5] claimed to be mb.local To: ningso@yahoo.com, "Kiran.Makhijani" , NVO3 , "teas@ietf.org" , "Anima@ietf.org" , "nfvrg@irtf.org" , "detnet@ietf.org" , "dmm@ietf.org" References: <2716CB65-5FA7-467D-A2CE-301888D946BC@huawei.com> <936460141.2410376.1490295937351@mail.yahoo.com> Cc: Alex Galis , "stewart.bryant" , Chao Kan , "Dongjie (Jimmy)" From: joel jaeggli Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:40:04 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <936460141.2410376.1490295937351@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="i2AJRFR9Qig1odx2g2POvKWFuJOxL0a2o" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] [nvo3] IETF98 NetSlices side meeting agenda and schedule (27/03 Mon @ 18:15) Location: Vevey 1/2 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 06:40:28 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --i2AJRFR9Qig1odx2g2POvKWFuJOxL0a2o Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="3eE068vh87TbE33D7Q8Lef9iwTadBNNeC"; protected-headers="v1" From: joel jaeggli To: ningso@yahoo.com, "Kiran.Makhijani" , NVO3 , "teas@ietf.org" , "Anima@ietf.org" , "nfvrg@irtf.org" , "detnet@ietf.org" , "dmm@ietf.org" Cc: Alex Galis , "stewart.bryant" , Chao Kan , "Dongjie (Jimmy)" Message-ID: Subject: Re: [nvo3] IETF98 NetSlices side meeting agenda and schedule (27/03 Mon @ 18:15) Location: Vevey 1/2 References: <2716CB65-5FA7-467D-A2CE-301888D946BC@huawei.com> <936460141.2410376.1490295937351@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <936460141.2410376.1490295937351@mail.yahoo.com> --3eE068vh87TbE33D7Q8Lef9iwTadBNNeC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 3/23/17 12:05 PM, ningso@yahoo.com wrote: > Kiran, DongJie, Alex, Stewart, >=20 > Is the NetSlices a BoF? It's not on the official agenda. A few of us > would like to attend remotely. Will there be an audio/Jabber provided > to allow remote participation? Thanks. It is not. it's also outside the hours of streaming coverage. joel > Ning So > 972-955-0914 >=20 >=20 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - > *From:* Kiran.Makhijani > *To:* NVO3 ; "teas@ietf.org" ; > "Anima@ietf.org" ; "nfvrg@irtf.org" ; > "detnet@ietf.org" ; "dmm@ietf.org" > *Cc:* Alex Galis ; Dongjie (Jimmy) > ; stewart.bryant > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:38 PM > *Subject:* [nvo3] IETF98 NetSlices side meeting agenda and schedule > (27/03 Mon @ 18:15) Location: Vevey 1/2 >=20 > [Changed recepients from BCC to =91To=92: NV03, DMM, DETNET, TEAS, ANIM= A, > NFVRG to bypass list-owner=92s approval; Please don=92t reply-all] > =20 > Hello all, > We invite you to participate in NetSlices side meeting at IETF 98. The > details are as follows - > =20 > - Location: Room Vevey 1/2, > - Date/Time: 2017.03.27, 18:15-21:15 > - Agenda: > https://github.com/netslices/IETF-NetSlices/tree/master/IETF98_Sidemeet= ing02 > Please see detailed (agenda.md) and summarized (agenda.txt) text. > Scope of the meeting is mentioned in agenda as well. > =20 > Please feel free to forward this invitation to anyone interested. > =20 > Regards > Kiran, DongJie, Alex, Stewart > _______________________________________________ > nvo3 mailing list > nvo3@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nvo3 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nvo3 mailing list > nvo3@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nvo3 >=20 --3eE068vh87TbE33D7Q8Lef9iwTadBNNeC-- --i2AJRFR9Qig1odx2g2POvKWFuJOxL0a2o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAljUv0QACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrK1pwCdH5mgZ5L//WwcMjOxV1V/I5xn khEAn3AYNLPKtZbUbltx4ITEnuEqlyyH =pfoI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --i2AJRFR9Qig1odx2g2POvKWFuJOxL0a2o-- From nobody Fri Mar 24 03:32:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD6C129447 for ; 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To me, examples such as section 3.1.4 (and others) ... It may be the case that additional technology- specific parameters are needed to configure the NEs and these parameters will need to be carried in the PCEP messages ... continue to somehow contradict the expectation in Section 4 that extens= ions will be generic: The only work expected to be needed is small extensions to carry additional or specific information elements for the individual use cases. Where possible, consistent with the general principles of how protocols are extended, any additions to the protocol should be made in a generic way such that they are open to use in a range of applications. Having said this, maybe one could add some thoughts on increased PCEP proto= col complexity (e.g., would it possible that the small PCEP extensions woul= d require transaction and rollback support?), impact on running PCEP code, = as well as implications on interoperability testing between implementations= ? This might partly be speculation, but manageability impact doesn't seem e= ntirely unrealistic for some of the use cases considered in the document. Thanks Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: Mittwoch, 22. M=E4rz 2017 20:19 > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on >=20 > WG, >=20 > This is the 2nd (or 3rd) time the authors are stating that the docume= nt is > ready to LC since it was adopted ~6months ago - without there being any > substantive discussion on the document within the WG and only a minor > update in December. It's a little hard for us (chairs) to know if silenc= e is due > to complete agreement with the document or simply apathy. From the > message below, the authors clearly think it's the former. If you are *no= t* an > author of this document and are willing to share your opinion on this > document, please do so -- preferably on the list, but unicast to the chai= rs is > also acceptable. We will also ask for feedback on the draft during the s= tatus > portion of the meeting. >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > Lou (and Pavan) >=20 >=20 > On 3/22/2017 8:01 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > > Hi, > > > > As requested, here is the status of this I-D. > > > > - Not on the agenda in Chicago > > > > - New revision posted in December > > - Fixed nits after re-review by several authors > > > > - The authors have repeatedly pointed out to the chairs that the > > document is complete and ready to move forward. > > - At this stage, the chairs are blocking progress > > > > - Related work... > > - Use cases document has been adopted in TEAS > > draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases > > > > Adrian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Teas mailing list > > Teas@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas From nobody Fri Mar 24 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SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.233]) by SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.8]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 06:33:34 -0700 From: Igor Bryskin To: "Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)" , "Lou Berger" , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Teas] Status update on Thread-Index: AdKjAAxgpaATNu2BRR+7y0nIAf0k8AAe9EkAAFIrOYAACONUwA== Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:33:34 +0000 Message-ID: <0C72C38E7EBC34499E8A9E7DD0078639098DB446@SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com> References: <092c01d2a304$19ca7120$4d5f5360$@olddog.co.uk> <30c7bedf-3866-e824-147d-d3344c02a8dd@labn.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.254.254] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090204.58D5203B.0061, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.4.233, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: efd4eb41dc537b78b75425a698952c4b Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:33:51 -0000 Thanks Michael, I have similar concerns. If there is a need for proprietary PCEP extensions= to accommodate vendor specific semantics, how we will not end up with the = same issues that have made GMPLS RSVP-TE/OSPF-TE, realistically speaking, u= ninteroperable? In other words, would you agree that applied to circuit swi= tched technologies, PCEP has exact same probability for interoperability su= ccess as GMPLS? Note that for IP/MPLS networks there is no (or at least muc= h less) potential PCEP interop problems, but IP/MPLS control plane has prov= ed to be interoperable as well. Igor =20 -----Original Message----- From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scharf, Michael (Nok= ia - DE/Stuttgart) Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:32 AM To: Lou Berger; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on We have already discussed "lively" the speculative statements in certain se= ctions of this document. To me, examples such as section 3.1.4 (and others) ... It may be the case that additional technology- specific parameters are needed to configure the NEs and these parameters will need to be carried in the PCEP messages ... continue to somehow contradict the expectation in Section 4 that extens= ions will be generic: The only work expected to be needed is small extensions to carry additional or specific information elements for the individual use cases. Where possible, consistent with the general principles of how protocols are extended, any additions to the protocol should be made in a generic way such that they are open to use in a range of applications. Having said this, maybe one could add some thoughts on increased PCEP proto= col complexity (e.g., would it possible that the small PCEP extensions woul= d require transaction and rollback support?), impact on running PCEP code, = as well as implications on interoperability testing between implementations= ? This might partly be speculation, but manageability impact doesn't seem e= ntirely unrealistic for some of the use cases considered in the document. Thanks Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: Mittwoch, 22. M=E4rz 2017 20:19 > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on >=20 > WG, >=20 > This is the 2nd (or 3rd) time the authors are stating that the docume= nt is > ready to LC since it was adopted ~6months ago - without there being any > substantive discussion on the document within the WG and only a minor > update in December. It's a little hard for us (chairs) to know if silenc= e is due > to complete agreement with the document or simply apathy. From the > message below, the authors clearly think it's the former. If you are *no= t* an > author of this document and are willing to share your opinion on this > document, please do so -- preferably on the list, but unicast to the chai= rs is > also acceptable. We will also ask for feedback on the draft during the s= tatus > portion of the meeting. >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > Lou (and Pavan) >=20 >=20 > On 3/22/2017 8:01 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > > Hi, > > > > As requested, here is the status of this I-D. > > > > - Not on the agenda in Chicago > > > > - New revision posted in December > > - Fixed nits after re-review by several authors > > > > - The authors have repeatedly pointed out to the chairs that the > > document is complete and ready to move forward. > > - At this stage, the chairs are blocking progress > > > > - Related work... > > - Use cases document has been adopted in TEAS > > draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases > > > > Adrian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Teas mailing list > > Teas@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas From nobody Fri Mar 24 06:44:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3162D129B3C for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 06:43:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.121 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id puEXLIw3O1Em for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 06:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newdragon.webhostserver.biz (newdragon.webhostserver.biz [69.25.136.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5607D1296EA for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 06:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [::1] (port=60955) by newdragon.webhostserver.biz with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1crPVU-0002cr-CU; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 16:43:56 +0300 To: Igor Bryskin , "Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)" , "teas@ietf.org" References: <092c01d2a304$19ca7120$4d5f5360$@olddog.co.uk> <30c7bedf-3866-e824-147d-d3344c02a8dd@labn.net> <0C72C38E7EBC34499E8A9E7DD0078639098DB446@SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com> Cc: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" From: Lou Berger Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:43:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0C72C38E7EBC34499E8A9E7DD0078639098DB446@SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - newdragon.webhostserver.biz X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: newdragon.webhostserver.biz: authenticated_id: lberger@blabn.com X-Authenticated-Sender: newdragon.webhostserver.biz: lberger@blabn.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:43:59 -0000 Thank you both for the additional input - would either of you care to propose some specific text changes to address your comments/concerns? Thanks, Lou On 3/24/2017 9:33 AM, Igor Bryskin wrote: > Thanks Michael, > > I have similar concerns. If there is a need for proprietary PCEP extensions to accommodate vendor specific semantics, how we will not end up with the same issues that have made GMPLS RSVP-TE/OSPF-TE, realistically speaking, uninteroperable? In other words, would you agree that applied to circuit switched technologies, PCEP has exact same probability for interoperability success as GMPLS? Note that for IP/MPLS networks there is no (or at least much less) potential PCEP interop problems, but IP/MPLS control plane has proved to be interoperable as well. > > Igor > > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:32 AM > To: Lou Berger; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on > > We have already discussed "lively" the speculative statements in certain sections of this document. > > To me, examples such as section 3.1.4 (and others) ... > > It may be the case that additional technology- > specific parameters are needed to configure the NEs and these > parameters will need to be carried in the PCEP messages > > ... continue to somehow contradict the expectation in Section 4 that extensions will be generic: > > The only work expected to be needed is small extensions > to carry additional or specific information elements for the > individual use cases. Where possible, consistent with the general > principles of how protocols are extended, any additions to the > protocol should be made in a generic way such that they are open to > use in a range of applications. > > Having said this, maybe one could add some thoughts on increased PCEP protocol complexity (e.g., would it possible that the small PCEP extensions would require transaction and rollback support?), impact on running PCEP code, as well as implications on interoperability testing between implementations? This might partly be speculation, but manageability impact doesn't seem entirely unrealistic for some of the use cases considered in the document. > > Thanks > > Michael > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger >> Sent: Mittwoch, 22. März 2017 20:19 >> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on >> >> WG, >> >> This is the 2nd (or 3rd) time the authors are stating that the document is >> ready to LC since it was adopted ~6months ago - without there being any >> substantive discussion on the document within the WG and only a minor >> update in December. It's a little hard for us (chairs) to know if silence is due >> to complete agreement with the document or simply apathy. From the >> message below, the authors clearly think it's the former. If you are *not* an >> author of this document and are willing to share your opinion on this >> document, please do so -- preferably on the list, but unicast to the chairs is >> also acceptable. We will also ask for feedback on the draft during the status >> portion of the meeting. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Lou (and Pavan) >> >> >> On 3/22/2017 8:01 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> As requested, here is the status of this I-D. >>> >>> - Not on the agenda in Chicago >>> >>> - New revision posted in December >>> - Fixed nits after re-review by several authors >>> >>> - The authors have repeatedly pointed out to the chairs that the >>> document is complete and ready to move forward. >>> - At this stage, the chairs are blocking progress >>> >>> - Related work... >>> - Use cases document has been adopted in TEAS >>> draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases >>> >>> Adrian >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Teas mailing list >>> Teas@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Teas mailing list >> Teas@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > From nobody Fri Mar 24 06:55:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B5C12940B for ; 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    stating that GMPLS is "uninteroperable" is not correct! GMPLS interoperability     across vendor domains has been demonstrated
    multiple times with different participating vendors.


    Thanks,
    Dieter

    On 24.03.2017 14:33, Igor Bryskin wrote:
    Thanks Michael,

I have similar concerns. If there is a need for proprietary PCEP extensions to accommodate vendor specific semantics, how we will not end up with the same issues that have made GMPLS RSVP-TE/OSPF-TE, realistically speaking, uninteroperable? In other words, would you agree that applied to circuit switched technologies, PCEP has exact same probability for interoperability success as GMPLS? Note that for IP/MPLS networks there is no (or at least much less) potential PCEP interop problems, but IP/MPLS control plane has proved to be interoperable as well.

Igor     

-----Original Message-----
From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:32 AM
To: Lou Berger; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central-control>

We have already discussed "lively" the speculative statements in certain sections of this document.

To me, examples such as section 3.1.4 (and others) ...

   It may be the case that additional technology-
   specific parameters are needed to configure the NEs and these
   parameters will need to be carried in the PCEP messages

... continue to somehow contradict the expectation in Section 4 that extensions will be generic:

   The only work expected to be needed is small extensions
   to carry additional or specific information elements for the
   individual use cases.  Where possible, consistent with the general
   principles of how protocols are extended, any additions to the
   protocol should be made in a generic way such that they are open to
   use in a range of applications.

Having said this, maybe one could add some thoughts on increased PCEP protocol complexity (e.g., would it possible that the small PCEP extensions would require transaction and rollback support?), impact on running PCEP code, as well as implications on interoperability testing between implementations? This might partly be speculation, but manageability impact doesn't seem entirely unrealistic for some of the use cases considered in the document.

Thanks

Michael



    -----Original Message-----
From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger
Sent: Mittwoch, 22. März 2017 20:19
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central-control>

WG,

    This is the 2nd (or 3rd) time the authors are stating that the document is
ready to LC  since it was adopted ~6months ago - without there being any
substantive discussion on the document within the WG and only a minor
update in December.  It's a little hard for us (chairs) to know if silence is due
to complete agreement with the document or simply apathy.  From the
message below, the authors clearly think it's the former.  If you are *not* an
author of this document and are willing to share your opinion on this
document, please do so -- preferably on the list, but unicast to the chairs is
also acceptable.  We will also ask for feedback on the draft during the status
portion of the meeting.

Thank you,

Lou (and Pavan)


On 3/22/2017 8:01 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:

    Hi,

As requested, here is the status of this I-D.

- Not on the agenda in Chicago

- New revision posted in December
   - Fixed nits after re-review by several authors

- The authors have repeatedly pointed out to the chairs that the
   document is complete and ready to move forward.
   - At this stage, the chairs are blocking progress

- Related work...
   - Use cases document has been adopted in TEAS
      draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases

Adrian


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To be meaningful your email should contain examples of deployed multi-vendo= r (3 or more vendor) solutions interoping via GMPLS, as well GMPLS interope= rability test events (rather than demos) starting from the most recent one. Cheers, Igor From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dieter Beller Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:55 AM To: Igor Bryskin; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berger; adria= n@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on Hi Igor, all, stating that GMPLS is "uninteroperable" is not correct! GMPLS interoperabil= ity across vendor domains has been demonstrated multiple times with different participating vendors. Thanks, Dieter On 24.03.2017 14:33, Igor Bryskin wrote: Thanks Michael, I have similar concerns. If there is a need for proprietary PCEP extensions= to accommodate vendor specific semantics, how we will not end up with the = same issues that have made GMPLS RSVP-TE/OSPF-TE, realistically speaking, u= ninteroperable? In other words, would you agree that applied to circuit swi= tched technologies, PCEP has exact same probability for interoperability su= ccess as GMPLS? Note that for IP/MPLS networks there is no (or at least muc= h less) potential PCEP interop problems, but IP/MPLS control plane has prov= ed to be interoperable as well. Igor -----Original Message----- From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scharf, Michael (Nok= ia - DE/Stuttgart) Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:32 AM To: Lou Berger; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.= org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on We have already discussed "lively" the speculative statements in certain se= ctions of this document. To me, examples such as section 3.1.4 (and others) ... It may be the case that additional technology- specific parameters are needed to configure the NEs and these parameters will need to be carried in the PCEP messages ... continue to somehow contradict the expectation in Section 4 that extens= ions will be generic: The only work expected to be needed is small extensions to carry additional or specific information elements for the individual use cases. Where possible, consistent with the general principles of how protocols are extended, any additions to the protocol should be made in a generic way such that they are open to use in a range of applications. Having said this, maybe one could add some thoughts on increased PCEP proto= col complexity (e.g., would it possible that the small PCEP extensions woul= d require transaction and rollback support?), impact on running PCEP code, = as well as implications on interoperability testing between implementations= ? This might partly be speculation, but manageability impact doesn't seem e= ntirely unrealistic for some of the use cases considered in the document. Thanks Michael -----Original Message----- From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Mittwoch, 22. M=E4rz 2017 20:19 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on WG, This is the 2nd (or 3rd) time the authors are stating that the document= is ready to LC since it was adopted ~6months ago - without there being any substantive discussion on the document within the WG and only a minor update in December. It's a little hard for us (chairs) to know if silence = is due to complete agreement with the document or simply apathy. From the message below, the authors clearly think it's the former. If you are *not*= an author of this document and are willing to share your opinion on this document, please do so -- preferably on the list, but unicast to the chairs= is also acceptable. We will also ask for feedback on the draft during the sta= tus portion of the meeting. Thank you, Lou (and Pavan) On 3/22/2017 8:01 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: Hi, As requested, here is the status of this I-D. - Not on the agenda in Chicago - New revision posted in December - Fixed nits after re-review by several authors - The authors have repeatedly pointed out to the chairs that the document is complete and ready to move forward. - At this stage, the chairs are blocking progress - Related work... - Use cases document has been adopted in TEAS draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases Adrian _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org htt --_000_0C72C38E7EBC34499E8A9E7DD0078639098DB5A5SJCEML702CHMchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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     <= /p>

    Note that I said “r= ealistically speaking”.

    To be meaningful your ema= il should contain examples of deployed multi-vendor (3 or more vendor) solu= tions interoping via GMPLS, as well GMPLS interoperability test events (rather than demos) starting from the most recent one.

     <= /p>

    Cheers,=

    Igor

     <= /p>

    From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dieter Beller
    Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:55 AM
    To: Igor Bryskin; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berger= ; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central= -control>

     

    Hi Igor, all,

    stating that GMPLS is "uninteroperable" is not correct! GMPLS int= eroperability across vendor domains has been demonstrated
    multiple times with different participating vendors.


    Thanks,
    Dieter

    On 24.03.2017 14:33, Igor Bryskin wrote:<= /p> 

    Thanks Michael,
     
    I have similar concerns. If there is a need for proprietary PCEP exten=
sions to accommodate vendor specific semantics, how we will not end up with=
 the same issues that have made GMPLS RSVP-TE/OSPF-TE, realistically speaki=
ng, uninteroperable? In other words, would you agree that applied to circui=
t switched technologies, PCEP has exact same probability for interoperabili=
ty success as GMPLS? Note that for IP/MPLS networks there is no (or at leas=
t much less) potential PCEP interop problems, but IP/MPLS control plane has=
 proved to be interoperable as well.
     
    Igor     
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounc=
es@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
    Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:32 AM
    To: Lou Berger; adrian@olddog.c=
o.uk; teas@ietf.org

    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central-c=
ontrol>
    

     
    

    We have already discussed "lively" the speculative statement=
s in certain sections of this document.
    

     
    

    To me, examples such as section 3.1.4 (and others) ...

     
    

       It may be the case that additional technology-=

    

       specific parameters are needed to configure the NEs and t=
hese
    

       parameters will need to be carried in the PCEP messages
    

     
    

    ... continue to somehow contradict the expectation in Section 4 that e=
xtensions will be generic:
    

     
    

       The only work expected to be needed is small extensions
    

       to carry additional or specific information elements for =
the
    

       individual use cases.  Where possible, consistent wi=
th the general
    

       principles of how protocols are extended, any additions t=
o the
    

       protocol should be made in a generic way such that they a=
re open to
    

       use in a range of applications.
    

     
    

    Having said this, maybe one could add some thoughts on increased PCEP =
protocol complexity (e.g., would it possible that the small PCEP extensions=
 would require transaction and rollback support?), impact on running PCEP c=
ode, as well as implications on interoperability testing between implementa=
tions? This might partly be speculation, but manageability impact doesn't s=
eem entirely unrealistic for some of the use cases considered in the docume=
nt.
    

     
    

    Thanks
    

     
    

    Michael
    

     
    

     
    

    

    -----Original Message-----
    

    From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounc=
es@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger
    

    Sent: Mittwoch, 22. M=E4rz 2017 20:19
    

    To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org
    

    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central-c=
ontrol>
    

     
    

    WG,
    

     
    

        This is the 2nd (or 3rd) time the authors are stati=
ng that the document is
    

    ready to LC  since it was adopted ~6months ago - without there be=
ing any
    

    substantive discussion on the document within the WG and only a minor<=
o:p>
    

    update in December.  It's a little hard for us (chairs) to know i=
f silence is due
    

    to complete agreement with the document or simply apathy.  From t=
he
    

    message below, the authors clearly think it's the former.  If you=
 are *not* an
    

    author of this document and are willing to share your opinion on this<=
o:p>
    

    document, please do so -- preferably on the list, but unicast to the c=
hairs is
    

    also acceptable.  We will also ask for feedback on the draft duri=
ng the status
    

    portion of the meeting.
    

     
    

    Thank you,
    

     
    

    Lou (and Pavan)
    

     
    

     
    

    On 3/22/2017 8:01 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
    

    

    Hi,
    

     
    

    As requested, here is the status of this I-D.
    

     
    

    - Not on the agenda in Chicago
    

     
    

    - New revision posted in December
    

       - Fixed nits after re-review by several authors
    

     
    

    - The authors have repeatedly pointed out to the chairs that the<=
/o:p>
    

       document is complete and ready to move forward.
    

       - At this stage, the chairs are blocking progress
    

     
    

    - Related work...
    

       - Use cases document has been adopted in TEAS<=
/pre>

          draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases
    

     
    

    Adrian
    

     
    

     
    

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dieter, you might want to start by Googling "huawei gmpls interoperability". Just a= thought. cheers, pd ________________________________ From: Teas on behalf of Igor Bryskin Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 10:12 AM To: Dieter Beller; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berger; adri= an@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on Dieter, Note that I said =93realistically speaking=94. To be meaningful your email should contain examples of deployed multi-vendo= r (3 or more vendor) solutions interoping via GMPLS, as well GMPLS interope= rability test events (rather than demos) starting from the most recent one. Cheers, Igor From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dieter Beller Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:55 AM To: Igor Bryskin; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berger; adria= n@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on Hi Igor, all, stating that GMPLS is "uninteroperable" is not correct! GMPLS interoperabil= ity across vendor domains has been demonstrated multiple times with different participating vendors. Thanks, Dieter On 24.03.2017 14:33, Igor Bryskin wrote: Thanks Michael, I have similar concerns. If there is a need for proprietary PCEP extensions= to accommodate vendor specific semantics, how we will not end up with the = same issues that have made GMPLS RSVP-TE/OSPF-TE, realistically speaking, u= ninteroperable? In other words, would you agree that applied to circuit swi= tched technologies, PCEP has exact same probability for interoperability su= ccess as GMPLS? Note that for IP/MPLS networks there is no (or at least muc= h less) potential PCEP interop problems, but IP/MPLS control plane has prov= ed to be interoperable as well. Igor -----Original Message----- From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scharf, Michael (Nok= ia - DE/Stuttgart) Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:32 AM To: Lou Berger; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.= org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on We have already discussed "lively" the speculative statements in certain se= ctions of this document. To me, examples such as section 3.1.4 (and others) ... It may be the case that additional technology- specific parameters are needed to configure the NEs and these parameters will need to be carried in the PCEP messages ... continue to somehow contradict the expectation in Section 4 that extens= ions will be generic: The only work expected to be needed is small extensions to carry additional or specific information elements for the individual use cases. Where possible, consistent with the general principles of how protocols are extended, any additions to the protocol should be made in a generic way such that they are open to use in a range of applications. Having said this, maybe one could add some thoughts on increased PCEP proto= col complexity (e.g., would it possible that the small PCEP extensions woul= d require transaction and rollback support?), impact on running PCEP code, = as well as implications on interoperability testing between implementations= ? This might partly be speculation, but manageability impact doesn't seem e= ntirely unrealistic for some of the use cases considered in the document. Thanks Michael -----Original Message----- From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Mittwoch, 22. M=E4rz 2017 20:19 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on WG, This is the 2nd (or 3rd) time the authors are stating that the document= is ready to LC since it was adopted ~6months ago - without there being any substantive discussion on the document within the WG and only a minor update in December. It's a little hard for us (chairs) to know if silence = is due to complete agreement with the document or simply apathy. From the message below, the authors clearly think it's the former. If you are *not*= an author of this document and are willing to share your opinion on this document, please do so -- preferably on the list, but unicast to the chairs= is also acceptable. We will also ask for feedback on the draft during the sta= tus portion of the meeting. Thank you, Lou (and Pavan) On 3/22/2017 8:01 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: Hi, As requested, here is the status of this I-D. - Not on the agenda in Chicago - New revision posted in December - Fixed nits after re-review by several authors - The authors have repeatedly pointed out to the chairs that the document is complete and ready to move forward. - At this stage, the chairs are blocking progress - Related work... - Use cases document has been adopted in TEAS draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases Adrian _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org htt --_000_AM2PR04MB0897E205C1A3DE513018BE80F83E0AM2PR04MB0897eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi Dieter,


    you might want to start by Googling "huawei gmpls interoperability&= quot;. Just a thought.


    cheers,

    pd



    From: Teas <teas-bounce= s@ietf.org> on behalf of Igor Bryskin <Igor.Bryskin@huawei.com> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 10:12 AM
    To: Dieter Beller; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berge= r; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central= -control>
     

    Dieter,

     

    Note that I said =93realistically speaking=94.=

    To be meaningful your email should contain exa= mples of deployed multi-vendor (3 or more vendor) solutions interoping via = GMPLS, as well GMPLS interoperability test events (rather than demos) starting from the most recent one.

     

    Cheers,

    Igor

     

    From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dieter Beller
    Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:55 AM
    To: Igor Bryskin; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berger= ; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central= -control>

     

    Hi Ig= or, all,

    stating that GMPLS is "uninteroperable" is not correct! GMPLS int= eroperability across vendor domains has been demonstrated
    multiple times with different participating vendors.


    Thanks,
    Dieter

    On 24.03.2017 14:33, Igor Bryskin wrote:

    Thanks Michael,
     
    I have similar concerns. If there is a n=
eed for proprietary PCEP extensions to accommodate vendor specific semantic=
s, how we will not end up with the same issues that have made GMPLS RSVP-TE=
/OSPF-TE, realistically speaking, uninteroperable? In other words, would yo=
u agree that applied to circuit switched technologies, PCEP has exact same =
probability for interoperability success as GMPLS? Note that for IP/MPLS ne=
tworks there is no (or at least much less) potential PCEP interop problems,=
 but IP/MPLS control plane has proved to be interoperable as well.
     
    Igor     
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Teas [mailto:teas=
-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)<=
/pre>

    Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:32 AM

    To: Lou Berger; adrian@ol=
ddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org
    

    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <=
;draft-ietf-teas-pce-central-control>
    

     
    

    We have already discussed "lively&q=
uot; the speculative statements in certain sections of this document.
    

     
    

    To me, examples such as section 3.1.4 (a=
nd others) ...
    

     
    

       It may be the case that add=
itional technology-
    

       specific parameters are nee=
ded to configure the NEs and these
    

       parameters will need to be =
carried in the PCEP messages
    

     
    

    ... continue to somehow contradict the e=
xpectation in Section 4 that extensions will be generic:
    

     
    

       The only work expected to b=
e needed is small extensions
    

       to carry additional or spec=
ific information elements for the
    

       individual use cases. =
 Where possible, consistent with the general
    

       principles of how protocols=
 are extended, any additions to the
    

       protocol should be made in =
a generic way such that they are open to
    

       use in a range of applicati=
ons.
    

     
    

    Having said this, maybe one could add so=
me thoughts on increased PCEP protocol complexity (e.g., would it possible =
that the small PCEP extensions would require transaction and rollback suppo=
rt?), impact on running PCEP code, as well as implications on interoperabil=
ity testing between implementations? This might partly be speculation, but =
manageability impact doesn't seem entirely unrealistic for some of the use =
cases considered in the document.
    

     
    

    Thanks
    

     
    

    Michael
    

     
    

     
    

    

    -----Original Message-----
    

    From: Teas [mailto:teas=
-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger
    

    Sent: Mittwoch, 22. M=E4rz 2017 20:19

    To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org
    

    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <=
;draft-ietf-teas-pce-central-control>
    

     
    

    WG,
    

     
    

        This is the 2nd (or 3=
rd) time the authors are stating that the document is
    

    ready to LC  since it was adopted ~=
6months ago - without there being any
    

    substantive discussion on the document w=
ithin the WG and only a minor
    

    update in December.  It's a little =
hard for us (chairs) to know if silence is due
    

    to complete agreement with the document =
or simply apathy.  From the
    

    message below, the authors clearly think=
 it's the former.  If you are *not* an
    

    author of this document and are willing =
to share your opinion on this
    

    document, please do so -- preferably on =
the list, but unicast to the chairs is
    

    also acceptable.  We will also ask =
for feedback on the draft during the status
    

    portion of the meeting.
    

     
    

    Thank you,
    

     
    

    Lou (and Pavan)
    

     
    

     
    

    On 3/22/2017 8:01 AM, Adrian Farrel wrot=
e:
    

    

    Hi,
    

     
    

    As requested, here is the status of this=
 I-D.
    

     
    

    - Not on the agenda in Chicago
    

     
    

    - New revision posted in December
    

       - Fixed nits after re-revie=
w by several authors
    

     
    

    - The authors have repeatedly pointed ou=
t to the chairs that the
    

       document is complete and re=
ady to move forward.
    

       - At this stage, the chairs=
 are blocking progress
    

     
    

    - Related work...
    

       - Use cases document has be=
en adopted in TEAS
    

          draft-iet=
f-teas-pcecc-use-cases
    

     
    

    Adrian
    

     
    

     
    

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To address the points in order... Michael notes two pieces of text. The first says that it *may* be the case that technology-specific extensions are needed. The second says two things: - that only small extensions are expected - that any extensions should be made in a generic way if possible I certainly don't see any contradiction in this text, but I would welcome having it explained to me so it can be fixed. I note that the final bullet is very consistent with the purpose of the TEAS working group where protocol extensions to RSVP-TE are made in a generic way where possible even if the motivation is for technology-specific use cases. Michael then goes on to ask about several points - Increased PCEP protocol complexity if transaction or rollback support would be needed. What can I say? This is an architecture not a requirements document, but I wonder why this question comes up now and not for the general question of PCE-initiated LSPs. - The impact on running PCEP code Again, this is an architecture not a requirements or solutions document, but in order for this function to be supported I would assume that either the protocol extensions have to be backward compatible or that PCE and all interacting PCCs have to be upgraded. - Implications on interoperability testing between implementations As in the previous bullet, this will surely depend on the way that the protocol extensions are made. I might expect that such extensions were covered in capability negotiations and made in such a way that unsupported function is discarded or rejected. An architecture does not typically try to constrain solutions, but I wouldn't think it harmful to include a note on "Guidance for Solution Developers" that could touch *lightly* on these points at least by pointing them out, but not necessarily directing how they are handled. Michael ends by asking about manageability impact. I find that difficult to answer. This is a management architecture. It is all about management. So the impact is that the management of the network would change. I confess that Section 6 seemed light when I wrote it. But what to add? What would you like to see covered in addition? Igor then enters the conversation by talking about proprietary PCEP extensions to accommodate vendor specific semantics. I guess that makes me respond with two questions: 1. How/why is this different from previous PCE-PCC interactions where PCCs could be head ends in different vendor systems? 2. How/why is this different from GMPLS systems? To the first question I would note RFC 7470 and draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-vendor. Now, for the second question, Igor goes on to claim that "meaningful" GMPLS interop is questionable, and this may be true in certain optical environments where the hardware itself struggles for meaningful interoperability. But that fact has not detracted from the value of standardising GMPLS: - as a base for proprietary extensions so that engineers, developers, and operators have a common understanding - for technologies where interoperable hardware is possible But maybe an even more important question is: How is this different from *any* configuration system? Should we not standardise Netconf because the devices configured will have different parameters? Should we abandon YANG because the network devices will need different information? Perhaps we should all use proprietary CLIs - that will be popular with the operators :-) Surely the point here is to develop the technology and apply it where it can be applied. If, as Igor clearly believes, this is only in a CO-PS environment, then that will be fine. If there are some CO-CS environments where it works, that will be a bonus. And if it acts as a common template for proprietary work from different vendors, I don't see that that would be a bad thing. - - - - - Bottom line: I can see two potential changes: 1. Guidance for Solution Developers 2. Management Considerations Clearly, the authors need help with both of these. See you in Chicago. Adrian -- Support an author and your imagination. Tales from the Wood - Eighteen new fairy tales. More Tales from the Wood - Eighteen MORE new fairy tales. https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Wood-Adrian-Farrel/dp/1786100924 Or buy from me direct. > -----Original Message----- > From: Igor Bryskin [mailto:Igor.Bryskin@huawei.com] > Sent: 24 March 2017 13:34 > To: Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berger; adrian@olddog.co.uk; > teas@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Teas] Status update on > > Thanks Michael, > > I have similar concerns. If there is a need for proprietary PCEP extensions to > accommodate vendor specific semantics, how we will not end up with the same > issues that have made GMPLS RSVP-TE/OSPF-TE, realistically speaking, > uninteroperable? In other words, would you agree that applied to circuit > switched technologies, PCEP has exact same probability for interoperability > success as GMPLS? Note that for IP/MPLS networks there is no (or at least much > less) potential PCEP interop problems, but IP/MPLS control plane has proved to > be interoperable as well. > > Igor > > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scharf, Michael (Nokia - > DE/Stuttgart) > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:32 AM > To: Lou Berger; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on > > We have already discussed "lively" the speculative statements in certain sections > of this document. > > To me, examples such as section 3.1.4 (and others) ... > > It may be the case that additional technology- > specific parameters are needed to configure the NEs and these > parameters will need to be carried in the PCEP messages > > ... continue to somehow contradict the expectation in Section 4 that extensions > will be generic: > > The only work expected to be needed is small extensions > to carry additional or specific information elements for the > individual use cases. Where possible, consistent with the general > principles of how protocols are extended, any additions to the > protocol should be made in a generic way such that they are open to > use in a range of applications. > > Having said this, maybe one could add some thoughts on increased PCEP protocol > complexity (e.g., would it possible that the small PCEP extensions would require > transaction and rollback support?), impact on running PCEP code, as well as > implications on interoperability testing between implementations? This might > partly be speculation, but manageability impact doesn't seem entirely unrealistic > for some of the use cases considered in the document. From nobody Fri Mar 24 12:51:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523461294E0 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:51:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.222 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.222 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b0gUnNLN_xWA for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC121128896 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DDL15562; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:51:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.40) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:51:05 +0000 Received: from SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.233]) by SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.8]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:50:56 -0700 From: Igor Bryskin To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "'Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)'" CC: "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Teas] Status update on Thread-Index: AdKjAAxgpaATNu2BRR+7y0nIAf0k8AAe9EkAAFIrOYAACONUwAAIAbwAAA4zj+A= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:50:55 +0000 Message-ID: <0C72C38E7EBC34499E8A9E7DD0078639098DB66E@SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com> References: <092c01d2a304$19ca7120$4d5f5360$@olddog.co.uk> <30c7bedf-3866-e824-147d-d3344c02a8dd@labn.net> <0C72C38E7EBC34499E8A9E7DD0078639098DB446@SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com> <037901d2a4cd$773eeff0$65bccfd0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <037901d2a4cd$773eeff0$65bccfd0$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.254.254] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020203.58D578AA.0328, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.4.233, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: efd4eb41dc537b78b75425a698952c4b Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:51:12 -0000 Hi Adrian, Please, see my comments to your responses to my comments:=3D) [Skipped] Igor then enters the conversation by talking about proprietary PCEP extensi= ons to accommodate vendor specific semantics. I guess that makes me respond wit= h two questions: 1. How/why is this different from previous PCE-PCC interactions where PCCs = could be head ends in different vendor systems? IB>> as you correctly interpreted my point of view: works for IP/MPLS, not = so much for l0/l1 (similarly to standard RSVP-TE working fine for former, b= ut realistically speaking, not for latter) 2. How/why is this different from GMPLS systems? IB>> exactly (as mentioned above) To the first question I would note RFC 7470 and draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-vendor. IB>> The solution is really interoperable, if there is a commercial proof t= o that end, not because RFC XYZ exists claiming the solution is possible. I= nterop demo is not good enough because one yet to see a demo that has faile= d :=3D) Now, for the second question, Igor goes on to claim that "meaningful" GMPLS interop is questionable, and this may be true in certain optical environmen= ts where the hardware itself struggles for meaningful interoperability. But th= at fact has not detracted from the value of standardising GMPLS: - as a base for proprietary extensions so that engineers, developers, and operators have a common understanding IB>> Basically, as kind of a recipe book for cooking (try that, you may add= more salt or nuts or brandy if you like, after all it is your cake, only y= our guests will appreciate it); =20 - for technologies where interoperable hardware is possible IB>> See below But maybe an even more important question is: How is this different from *a= ny* configuration system? Should we not standardise Netconf because the devices configured will have different parameters? Should we abandon YANG because t= he network devices will need different information? Perhaps we should all use proprietary CLIs - that will be popular with the operators :-) IB>> The difference is that when PCEP communicates to a head end to set up = e2e LSP which might go through multiple domains, this is a network wide ope= ration. No one said that Netconf should not be standardized for device leve= l configuration. But you want to avoid a situation when a teacher communica= tes with each student of a multi-lingual class in the student's own native = language. This would be not sustainable regardless whether the teacher spea= ks (e.g. via PCEP) or writes (e.g. via NetConf) to each student, especially= considering that at any moment a new student might show up speaking yet an= other language =20 Surely the point here is to develop the technology and apply it where it ca= n be applied. If, as Igor clearly believes, this is only in a CO-PS environment,= then that will be fine. If there are some CO-CS environments where it works, tha= t will be a bonus. And if it acts as a common template for proprietary work f= rom different vendors, I don't see that that would be a bad thing. IB>> As a matter of fact I did what Paul suggested. When I google-searched "gmpls+interoperability+deployments", one of the hit= s near the top of the search result list was a pointer to an article writte= n by three Stanford University folks: "Why OpenFlow/SDN Can Succeed Where G= MPLS Failed".=20 I am not a fan of OpenFlow at all, but I somewhat agree with what they say = WRT GMPLS and believe the same is true WRT PCEP based architectures: "...But GMPLS has failed in terms of actual deployment in wide area network= s. It has undergone a lengthy standardization process at the ITU, IETF and = OIF; all transport equipment vendors have implemented it in their switches;= there have been many interoperability demonstrations; and yet after a deca= de [ IB>> actually 18 years now], there hasn't been even one significant co= mmercial deployment of GMPLS as a UCP [IB: Unified Control Plane]. GMPLS ma= y have found use in a limited way as a tool to help the NMS/EMS provision a= circuit after being triggered manually by the management system. But we ar= e not interested in such use of GMPLS. Such use has a) nothing to do with I= P networks; and b) nothing to do even with the ASON view of using GMPLS as = an interoperable transport control plane. Rather this use of GMPLS is merel= y a proprietary vendor implementation of a control plane (in ASON parlance = - a vendor-island I-NNI)..." Igor > -----Original Message----- > From: Igor Bryskin [mailto:Igor.Bryskin@huawei.com] > Sent: 24 March 2017 13:34 > To: Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berger; adrian@olddog.co.= uk; > teas@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Teas] Status update on >=20 > Thanks Michael, > =09 > I have similar concerns. If there is a need for proprietary PCEP extensio= ns to > accommodate vendor specific semantics, how we will not end up with the sa= me > issues that have made GMPLS RSVP-TE/OSPF-TE, realistically speaking, > uninteroperable? In other words, would you agree that applied to circuit > switched technologies, PCEP has exact same probability for interoperabili= ty > success as GMPLS? Note that for IP/MPLS networks there is no (or at least= much > less) potential PCEP interop problems, but IP/MPLS control plane has prov= ed to > be interoperable as well. >=20 > Igor >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scharf, Michael (N= okia - > DE/Stuttgart) > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:32 AM > To: Lou Berger; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on >=20 > We have already discussed "lively" the speculative statements in certain sections > of this document. >=20 > To me, examples such as section 3.1.4 (and others) ... >=20 > It may be the case that additional technology- > specific parameters are needed to configure the NEs and these > parameters will need to be carried in the PCEP messages >=20 > ... continue to somehow contradict the expectation in Section 4 that extensions > will be generic: >=20 > The only work expected to be needed is small extensions > to carry additional or specific information elements for the > individual use cases. Where possible, consistent with the general > principles of how protocols are extended, any additions to the > protocol should be made in a generic way such that they are open to > use in a range of applications. >=20 > Having said this, maybe one could add some thoughts on increased PCEP pro= tocol > complexity (e.g., would it possible that the small PCEP extensions would require > transaction and rollback support?), impact on running PCEP code, as well = as > implications on interoperability testing between implementations? This mi= ght > partly be speculation, but manageability impact doesn't seem entirely unrealistic > for some of the use cases considered in the document. 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boundary="_000_CY1PR0501MB1609A310889D8D1731B0805CCE3E0CY1PR0501MB1609_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 24 Mar 2017 21:54:03.2563 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY1PR0501MB1611 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:54:10 -0000 --_000_CY1PR0501MB1609A310889D8D1731B0805CCE3E0CY1PR0501MB1609_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whether GMPLS is "realistically interoperable" is certainly worth to debate= . By doing so however we have to keep in mind that GMPLS is a control plane= for a non-IP data plane. When CCAMP set out to work on GMPLS for WDM (WSON) we might have had asked = how many of interoperable (non proprietary) DWDM implementations do exist. How much leverage you can have from an interoperable control plane when the= photons have a hard time to find their way between different vendors? Fortunately the IP data plane is in a better shape as this email will certa= inly travel through dozens of vendor domains and a handful of carrier domai= ns, each potentially structured in a few operational domains. In other words, lgor's statement that GMPLS is not field proven (using a di= fferent term here) to interoperate looks correct. The question is now what'= s next: 1) screw the whole thing since the world doesn't need a standard for protoc= ols that do not interoperate. 2) fix whatever is needed to interoperate (and this requires data plane int= eroperate too) 3) accept the facts and muddle through by pretending interoperability would= be feasible and adding vendor specific loopholes to decrease the probabili= ty we'll ever get there. Perhaps a discussion worth to have together with CCAMP. Gert Get Outlook for iOS _____________________________ From: Doolan, Paul (Coriant - US/Irving) > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on To: >, Igor Bryskin >, Dieter Beller >, Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart= ) >, >, Lou Berger > Hi Dieter, you might want to start by Googling "huawei gmpls interoperability". Just a= thought. cheers, pd ________________________________ From: Teas > on behalf = of Igor Bryskin > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 10:12 AM To: Dieter Beller; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berger; adri= an@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on Dieter, Note that I said =93realistically speaking=94. To be meaningful your email should contain examples of deployed multi-vendo= r (3 or more vendor) solutions interoping via GMPLS, as well GMPLS interope= rability test events (rather than demos) starting from the most recent one. Cheers, Igor From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Dieter Beller Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:55 AM To: Igor Bryskin; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berger; adria= n@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on Hi Igor, all, stating that GMPLS is "uninteroperable" is not correct! GMPLS interoperabil= ity across vendor domains has been demonstrated multiple times with different participating vendors. Thanks, Dieter On 24.03.2017 14:33, Igor Bryskin wrote: Thanks Michael, I have similar concerns. If there is a need for proprietary PCEP extensions= to accommodate vendor specific semantics, how we will not end up with the = same issues that have made GMPLS RSVP-TE/OSPF-TE, realistically speaking, u= ninteroperable? In other words, would you agree that applied to circuit swi= tched technologies, PCEP has exact same probability for interoperability su= ccess as GMPLS? Note that for IP/MPLS networks there is no (or at least muc= h less) potential PCEP interop problems, but IP/MPLS control plane has prov= ed to be interoperable as well. Igor -----Original Message----- From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scharf, Michael (Nok= ia - DE/Stuttgart) Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:32 AM To: Lou Berger; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.= org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on We have already discussed "lively" the speculative statements in certain se= ctions of this document. To me, examples such as section 3.1.4 (and others) ... It may be the case that additional technology- specific parameters are needed to configure the NEs and these parameters will need to be carried in the PCEP messages ... continue to somehow contradict the expectation in Section 4 that extens= ions will be generic: The only work expected to be needed is small extensions to carry additional or specific information elements for the individual use cases. Where possible, consistent with the general principles of how protocols are extended, any additions to the protocol should be made in a generic way such that they are open to use in a range of applications. Having said this, maybe one could add some thoughts on increased PCEP proto= col complexity (e.g., would it possible that the small PCEP extensions woul= d require transaction and rollback support?), impact on running PCEP code, = as well as implications on interoperability testing between implementations= ? This might partly be speculation, but manageability impact doesn't seem e= ntirely unrealistic for some of the use cases considered in the document. Thanks Michael -----Original Message----- From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Mittwoch, 22. M=E4rz 2017 20:19 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on WG, This is the 2nd (or 3rd) time the authors are stating that the document= is ready to LC since it was adopted ~6months ago - without there being any substantive discussion on the document within the WG and only a minor update in December. It's a little hard for us (chairs) to know if silence = is due to complete agreement with the document or simply apathy. From the message below, the authors clearly think it's the former. If you are *not*= an author of this document and are willing to share your opinion on this document, please do so -- preferably on the list, but unicast to the chairs= is also acceptable. We will also ask for feedback on the draft during the sta= tus portion of the meeting. Thank you, Lou (and Pavan) On 3/22/2017 8:01 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: Hi, As requested, here is the status of this I-D. - Not on the agenda in Chicago - New revision posted in December - Fixed nits after re-review by several authors - The authors have repeatedly pointed out to the chairs that the document is complete and ready to move forward. - At this stage, the chairs are blocking progress - Related work... - Use cases document has been adopted in TEAS draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases Adrian _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org htt --_000_CY1PR0501MB1609A310889D8D1731B0805CCE3E0CY1PR0501MB1609_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Whether GMPLS is "realistically interoperable" is certainly = worth to debate. By doing so however we have to keep in mind that GMPLS is = a control plane for a non-IP data plane.

    When CCAMP set out to work on GMPLS for WDM (WSON) we might have had a= sked how many of interoperable (non proprietary) DWDM implementations do ex= ist.
    How much leverage you can have from an interoperable control plane whe= n the photons have a hard time to find their way between different vendors?=

    Fortunately the IP data plane is in a better shape as this email will = certainly travel through dozens of vendor domains and a handful of carrier = domains, each potentially structured in a few operational domains.  

    In other words, lgor's statement that GMPLS is not field proven (using= a different term here) to interoperate looks correct. The question is now = what's next:
    1) screw the whole thing since the world doesn't need a standard for p= rotocols that do not interoperate.
    2) fix whatever is needed to interoperate (and this requires data plan= e interoperate too)
    3) accept the facts and muddle through by pretending interoperability = would be feasible and adding vendor specific loopholes to decrease the prob= ability we'll ever get there.

    Perhaps a discussion worth to have together with CCAMP.


    Gert






    _____________________________
    From: Doolan, Paul (Coriant - US/Irving) <paul.doolan@coriant.= com>
    Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:38 AM
    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central-contro= l>
    To: <teas@ietf.org>, Igor Bryskin <igor.bryskin@huaw= ei.com>, Dieter Beller <dieter.beller@nokia.com>, Scharf, Micha= el (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) <michael.scharf@nokia.com>, <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net= >


    Hi Dieter,


    you might want to start by Googling "huawei gmpls interoperability&= quot;. Just a thought.


    cheers,

    pd



    From: Teas <teas= -bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Igor Bryskin <Igor.Bryskin@huawei.com> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 10:12 AM
    To: Dieter Beller; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berge= r; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central= -control>
     

    Dieter,

     

    Note that I said =93realistically speaking=94.=

    To be meaningful your email should contain exa= mples of deployed multi-vendor (3 or more vendor) solutions interoping via = GMPLS, as well GMPLS interoperability test events (rather than demos) starting from the most recent one.

     

    Cheers,

    Igor

     

    From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Dieter Beller
    Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:55 AM
    To: Igor Bryskin; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berger= ; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central= -control>

     

    Hi Ig= or, all,

    stating that GMPLS is "uninteroperable" is not correct! GMPLS int= eroperability across vendor domains has been demonstrated
    multiple times with different participating vendors.


    Thanks,
    Dieter

    On 24.03.2017 14:33, Igor Bryskin wrote:

    Thanks Michael,
     
    I have similar concerns. If there is a need f=
or proprietary PCEP extensions to accommodate vendor specific semantics, ho=
w we will not end up with the same issues that have made GMPLS RSVP-TE/OSPF=
-TE, realistically speaking, uninteroperable? In other words, would you agr=
ee that applied to circuit switched technologies, PCEP has exact same proba=
bility for interoperability success as GMPLS? Note that for IP/MPLS network=
s there is no (or at least much less) potential PCEP interop problems, but =
IP/MPLS control plane has proved to be interoperable as well.
     
    Igor     
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces=
@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
    Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:32 AM
    To: Lou Berger; adrian@olddog.co.=
uk; teas@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draf=
t-ietf-teas-pce-central-control>
     
    We have already discussed "lively" =
the speculative statements in certain sections of this document.
     
    To me, examples such as section 3.1.4 (and ot=
hers) ...
     
       It may be the case that addition=
al technology-
       specific parameters are needed t=
o configure the NEs and these
       parameters will need to be carri=
ed in the PCEP messages
     
    ... continue to somehow contradict the expect=
ation in Section 4 that extensions will be generic:
     
       The only work expected to be nee=
ded is small extensions
       to carry additional or specific =
information elements for the
       individual use cases.  Wher=
e possible, consistent with the general
       principles of how protocols are =
extended, any additions to the
       protocol should be made in a gen=
eric way such that they are open to
       use in a range of applications.<=
/pre>

     
    

    Having said this, maybe one could add some th=
oughts on increased PCEP protocol complexity (e.g., would it possible that =
the small PCEP extensions would require transaction and rollback support?),=
 impact on running PCEP code, as well as implications on interoperability t=
esting between implementations? This might partly be speculation, but manag=
eability impact doesn't seem entirely unrealistic for some of the use cases=
 considered in the document.
    

     
    

    Thanks
    

     
    

    Michael
    

     
    

     
    

    

    -----Original Message-----
    

    From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces=
@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger
    

    Sent: Mittwoch, 22. M=E4rz 2017 20:19
    

    To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draf=
t-ietf-teas-pce-central-control>
    

     
    

    WG,
    

     
    

        This is the 2nd (or 3rd) t=
ime the authors are stating that the document is
    

    ready to LC  since it was adopted ~6mont=
hs ago - without there being any
    

    substantive discussion on the document within=
 the WG and only a minor
    

    update in December.  It's a little hard =
for us (chairs) to know if silence is due
    

    to complete agreement with the document or si=
mply apathy.  From the
    

    message below, the authors clearly think it's=
 the former.  If you are *not* an
    

    author of this document and are willing to sh=
are your opinion on this
    

    document, please do so -- preferably on the l=
ist, but unicast to the chairs is
    

    also acceptable.  We will also ask for f=
eedback on the draft during the status
    

    portion of the meeting.
    

     
    

    Thank you,
    

     
    

    Lou (and Pavan)
    

     
    

     
    

    On 3/22/2017 8:01 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:

    

    Hi,
    

     
    

    As requested, here is the status of this I-D.=

    

     
    

    - Not on the agenda in Chicago
    

     
    

    - New revision posted in December
    

       - Fixed nits after re-review by =
several authors
    

     
    

    - The authors have repeatedly pointed out to =
the chairs that the
    

       document is complete and ready t=
o move forward.
    

       - At this stage, the chairs are =
blocking progress
    

     
    

    - Related work...
    

       - Use cases document has been ad=
opted in TEAS
    

          draft-ietf-tea=
s-pcecc-use-cases
    

     
    

    Adrian
    

     
    

     
    

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    --_000_CY1PR0501MB1609A310889D8D1731B0805CCE3E0CY1PR0501MB1609_-- From nobody Sat Mar 25 08:10:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D633E128C82 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 08:10:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wi9zDtJomuHu for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 08:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 004C9126C7A for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 08:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DDM03104; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:10:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.40) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:10:05 +0000 Received: from SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.233]) by SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.8]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 08:09:43 -0700 From: Igor Bryskin To: "ggrammel@juniper.net" , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "dieter.beller@nokia.com" , "michael.scharf@nokia.com" , "paul.doolan@coriant.com" , Igor Bryskin , "lberger@labn.net" , "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Teas] Status update on Thread-Index: AdKjAAxgpaATNu2BRR+7y0nIAf0k8AAe9EkAAFIrOYAACONUwP//8ZsAgABzyKD//7nnAIAAWCyAgACsA0k= Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:09:42 +0000 Message-ID: References: <092c01d2a304$19ca7120$4d5f5360$@olddog.co.uk> <30c7bedf-3866-e824-147d-d3344c02a8dd@labn.net> <0C72C38E7EBC34499E8A9E7DD0078639098DB446@SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com> <855b7c52-2e30-2a1f-dd0d-64a845ba583c@nokia.com>, <0C72C38E7EBC34499E8A9E7DD0078639098DB5A5@SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com>, , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_etPan58d6884123d152c36fa2localhost_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020203.58D68850.00B0, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.4.233, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: a339a9e49499c27116f64210d65f26a3 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:10:17 -0000 --_000_etPan58d6884123d152c36fa2localhost_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One option is to accept that GMPLS and PCEP are, generally speaking, not in= teroperable, allow fot unconstrained intradomain innovations via vendor spe= cific extensions and solve the interoperability problem by some other means= , for example, via standartized explici model based NBIs. This is pretty mu= ch what ACTN suggests to do. Igor From:Gert Grammel To:adrian@olddog.co.uk,Dieter Beller,Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)= ,Doolan, Paul (Coriant - US/Irving),Igor Bryskin,Lou Berger,teas@ietf.org, Date:2017-03-24 17:54:23 Subject:Re: [Teas] Status update on Whether GMPLS is "realistically interoperable" is certainly worth to debate= . By doing so however we have to keep in mind that GMPLS is a control plane= for a non-IP data plane. When CCAMP set out to work on GMPLS for WDM (WSON) we might have had asked = how many of interoperable (non proprietary) DWDM implementations do exist. How much leverage you can have from an interoperable control plane when the= photons have a hard time to find their way between different vendors? Fortunately the IP data plane is in a better shape as this email will certa= inly travel through dozens of vendor domains and a handful of carrier domai= ns, each potentially structured in a few operational domains. In other words, lgor's statement that GMPLS is not field proven (using a di= fferent term here) to interoperate looks correct. The question is now what'= s next: 1) screw the whole thing since the world doesn't need a standard for protoc= ols that do not interoperate. 2) fix whatever is needed to interoperate (and this requires data plane int= eroperate too) 3) accept the facts and muddle through by pretending interoperability would= be feasible and adding vendor specific loopholes to decrease the probabili= ty we'll ever get there. Perhaps a discussion worth to have together with CCAMP. Gert Get Outlook for iOS _____________________________ From: Doolan, Paul (Coriant - US/Irving) > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on To: >, Igor Bryskin >, Dieter Beller >, Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart= ) >, >, Lou Berger > Hi Dieter, you might want to start by Googling "huawei gmpls interoperability". Just a= thought. cheers, pd ________________________________ From: Teas > on behalf = of Igor Bryskin > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 10:12 AM To: Dieter Beller; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berger; adri= an@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on Dieter, Note that I said =93realistically speaking=94. To be meaningful your email should contain examples of deployed multi-vendo= r (3 or more vendor) solutions interoping via GMPLS, as well GMPLS interope= rability test events (rather than demos) starting from the most recent one. Cheers, Igor From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Dieter Beller Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:55 AM To: Igor Bryskin; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berger; adria= n@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on Hi Igor, all, stating that GMPLS is "uninteroperable" is not correct! GMPLS interoperabil= ity across vendor domains has been demonstrated multiple times with different participating vendors. Thanks, Dieter On 24.03.2017 14:33, Igor Bryskin wrote: Thanks Michael, I have similar concerns. If there is a need for proprietary PCEP extensions= to accommodate vendor specific semantics, how we will not end up with the = same issues that have made GMPLS RSVP-TE/OSPF-TE, realistically speaking, u= ninteroperable? In other words, would you agree that applied to circuit swi= tched technologies, PCEP has exact same probability for interoperability su= ccess as GMPLS? Note that for IP/MPLS networks there is no (or at least muc= h less) potential PCEP interop problems, but IP/MPLS control plane has prov= ed to be interoperable as well. Igor -----Original Message----- From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scharf, Michael (Nok= ia - DE/Stuttgart) Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:32 AM To: Lou Berger; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.= org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on We have already discussed "lively" the speculative statements in certain se= ctions of this document. To me, examples such as section 3.1.4 (and others) ... It may be the case that additional technology- specific parameters are needed to configure the NEs and these parameters will need to be carried in the PCEP messages ... continue to somehow contradict the expectation in Section 4 that extens= ions will be generic: The only work expected to be needed is small extensions to carry additional or specific information elements for the individual use cases. Where possible, consistent with the general principles of how protocols are extended, any additions to the protocol should be made in a generic way such that they are open to use in a range of applications. Having said this, maybe one could add some thoughts on increased PCEP proto= col complexity (e.g., would it possible that the small PCEP extensions woul= d require transaction and rollback support?), impact on running PCEP code, = as well as implications on interoperability testing between implementations= ? This might partly be speculation, but manageability impact doesn't seem e= ntirely unrealistic for some of the use cases considered in the document. Thanks Michael -----Original Message----- From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Mittwoch, 22. M=E4rz 2017 20:19 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on WG, This is the 2nd (or 3rd) time the authors are stating that the document= is ready to LC since it was adopted ~6months ago - without there being any substantive discussion on the document within the WG and only a minor update in December. It's a little hard for us (chairs) to know if silence = is due to complete agreement with the document or simply apathy. From the message below, the authors clearly think it's the former. If you are *not*= an author of this document and are willing to share your opinion on this document, please do so -- preferably on the list, but unicast to the chairs= is also acceptable. We will also ask for feedback on the draft during the sta= tus portion of the meeting. Thank you, Lou (and Pavan) On 3/22/2017 8:01 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: Hi, As requested, here is the status of this I-D. - Not on the agenda in Chicago - New revision posted in December - Fixed nits after re-review by several authors - The authors have repeatedly pointed out to the chairs that the document is complete and ready to move forward. - At this stage, the chairs are blocking progress - Related work... - Use cases document has been adopted in TEAS draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases Adrian _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org htt --_000_etPan58d6884123d152c36fa2localhost_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    One option is to accept that GMPLS and PCEP are, generally speaking, n= ot interoperable, allow fot unconstrained intradomain innovations via vendo= r specific extensions and solve the interoperability problem by some other = means, for example, via standartized explici model based NBIs. This is pretty much what ACTN suggests to do.
    Igor

    From:Gert Grammel
    To:adrian@olddog.co.uk,Dieter Be= ller,Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart),Doolan, Paul (Coriant - US/Irvi= ng),Igor Bryskin,Lou Berger,teas@ietf.org,
    Date:2017-03-24 17:54:23
    Subject:Re: [Teas] Status update= on

    Whether GMPLS is "realistically interoperable" is certainly = worth to debate. By doing so however we have to keep in mind that GMPLS is = a control plane for a non-IP data plane.

    When CCAMP set out to work on GMPLS for WDM (WSON) we might have had a= sked how many of interoperable (non proprietary) DWDM implementations do ex= ist.
    How much leverage you can have from an interoperable control plane whe= n the photons have a hard time to find their way between different vendors?=

    Fortunately the IP data plane is in a better shape as this email will = certainly travel through dozens of vendor domains and a handful of carrier = domains, each potentially structured in a few operational domains.  

    In other words, lgor's statement that GMPLS is not field proven (using= a different term here) to interoperate looks correct. The question is now = what's next:
    1) screw the whole thing since the world doesn't need a standard for p= rotocols that do not interoperate.
    2) fix whatever is needed to interoperate (and this requires data plan= e interoperate too)
    3) accept the facts and muddle through by pretending interoperability = would be feasible and adding vendor specific loopholes to decrease the prob= ability we'll ever get there.

    Perhaps a discussion worth to have together with CCAMP.


    Gert






    _____________________________
    From: Doolan, Paul (Coriant - US/Irving) <paul.doolan@coriant.com>
    Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:38 AM
    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central-contro= l>
    To: <teas@ietf.org>,= Igor Bryskin <ig= or.bryskin@huawei.com>, Dieter Beller <dieter.beller@nokia.com>, Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) <michael.scharf@nokia.com>, <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, Lou Ber= ger <lberger@labn.net>


    Hi Dieter,


    you might want to start by Googling "huawei gmpls interoperability&= quot;. Just a thought.


    cheers,

    pd



    From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> on b= ehalf of Igor Bryskin <Igor.Bryskin@huawei.com>
    Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 10:12 AM
    To: Dieter Beller; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berge= r; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@= ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central= -control>
     

    Dieter,

     

    Note that I said =93realistically speaking=94.=

    To be meaningful your email should contain exa= mples of deployed multi-vendor (3 or more vendor) solutions interoping via = GMPLS, as well GMPLS interoperability test events (rather than demos) starting from the most recent one.

     

    Cheers,

    Igor

     

    From: Teas [mailto:te= as-bounces@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Dieter Beller
    Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:55 AM
    To: Igor Bryskin; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berger= ; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@= ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central= -control>

     

    Hi Ig= or, all,

    stating that GMPLS is "uninteroperable" is not correct! GMPLS int= eroperability across vendor domains has been demonstrated
    multiple times with different participating vendors.


    Thanks,
    Dieter

    On 24.03.2017 14:33, Igor Bryskin wrote:

    Thanks Michael,
     
    I have similar concerns. If there is a need f=
or proprietary PCEP extensions to accommodate vendor specific semantics, ho=
w we will not end up with the same issues that have made GMPLS RSVP-TE/OSPF=
-TE, realistically speaking, uninteroperable? In other words, would you agr=
ee that applied to circuit switched technologies, PCEP has exact same proba=
bility for interoperability success as GMPLS? Note that for IP/MPLS network=
s there is no (or at least much less) potential PCEP interop problems, but =
IP/MPLS control plane has proved to be interoperable as well.
     
    Igor     
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces=
@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
    Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:32 AM
    To: Lou Berger; adrian@olddog.co.=
uk; teas@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draf=
t-ietf-teas-pce-central-control>
     
    We have already discussed "lively" =
the speculative statements in certain sections of this document.
     
    To me, examples such as section 3.1.4 (and ot=
hers) ...
     
       It may be the case that addition=
al technology-
       specific parameters are needed t=
o configure the NEs and these
       parameters will need to be carri=
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    ... continue to somehow contradict the expect=
ation in Section 4 that extensions will be generic:
     
       The only work expected to be nee=
ded is small extensions
       to carry additional or specific =
information elements for the
       individual use cases.  Wher=
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       principles of how protocols are =
extended, any additions to the
       protocol should be made in a gen=
eric way such that they are open to
       use in a range of applications.<=
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    Having said this, maybe one could add some th=
oughts on increased PCEP protocol complexity (e.g., would it possible that =
the small PCEP extensions would require transaction and rollback support?),=
 impact on running PCEP code, as well as implications on interoperability t=
esting between implementations? This might partly be speculation, but manag=
eability impact doesn't seem entirely unrealistic for some of the use cases=
 considered in the document.
    

     
    

    Thanks
    

     
    

    Michael
    

     
    

     
    

    

    -----Original Message-----
    

    From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces=
@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger
    

    Sent: Mittwoch, 22. M=E4rz 2017 20:19
    

    To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draf=
t-ietf-teas-pce-central-control>
    

     
    

    WG,
    

     
    

        This is the 2nd (or 3rd) t=
ime the authors are stating that the document is
    

    ready to LC  since it was adopted ~6mont=
hs ago - without there being any
    

    substantive discussion on the document within=
 the WG and only a minor
    

    update in December.  It's a little hard =
for us (chairs) to know if silence is due
    

    to complete agreement with the document or si=
mply apathy.  From the
    

    message below, the authors clearly think it's=
 the former.  If you are *not* an
    

    author of this document and are willing to sh=
are your opinion on this
    

    document, please do so -- preferably on the l=
ist, but unicast to the chairs is
    

    also acceptable.  We will also ask for f=
eedback on the draft during the status
    

    portion of the meeting.
    

     
    

    Thank you,
    

     
    

    Lou (and Pavan)
    

     
    

     
    

    On 3/22/2017 8:01 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:

    

    Hi,
    

     
    

    As requested, here is the status of this I-D.=

    

     
    

    - Not on the agenda in Chicago
    

     
    

    - New revision posted in December
    

       - Fixed nits after re-review by =
several authors
    

     
    

    - The authors have repeatedly pointed out to =
the chairs that the
    

       document is complete and ready t=
o move forward.
    

       - At this stage, the chairs are =
blocking progress
    

     
    

    - Related work...
    

       - Use cases document has been ad=
opted in TEAS
    

          draft-ietf-tea=
s-pcecc-use-cases
    

     
    

    Adrian
    

     
    

     
    

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FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CY1PR0501MB16094F79EA4022360188FD38CE310CY1PR0501MB1609_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 25 Mar 2017 16:26:13.7323 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY1PR0501MB1609 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 16:26:20 -0000 --_000_CY1PR0501MB16094F79EA4022360188FD38CE310CY1PR0501MB1609_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Igor, I understand you are asking for something like option 3) although the exact= wording needs to be settled. Thanks Gert Get Outlook for iOS _____________________________ From: Igor Bryskin = > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on To: dieter.beller@nokia.com >, >, >, >, Igor Brysk= in >, >, Gert Grammel >, > One option is to accept that GMPLS and PCEP are, generally speaking, not in= teroperable, allow fot unconstrained intradomain innovations via vendor spe= cific extensions and solve the interoperability problem by some other means= , for example, via standartized explici model based NBIs. This is pretty mu= ch what ACTN suggests to do. Igor From:Gert Grammel To:adrian@olddog.co.uk,Dieter Beller,Scharf, Mi= chael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart),Doolan, Paul (Coriant - US/Irving),Igor Bryski= n,Lou Berger,teas@ietf.org, Date:2017-03-24 17:54:23 Subject:Re: [Teas] Status update on Whether GMPLS is "realistically interoperable" is certainly worth to debate= . By doing so however we have to keep in mind that GMPLS is a control plane= for a non-IP data plane. When CCAMP set out to work on GMPLS for WDM (WSON) we might have had asked = how many of interoperable (non proprietary) DWDM implementations do exist. How much leverage you can have from an interoperable control plane when the= photons have a hard time to find their way between different vendors? Fortunately the IP data plane is in a better shape as this email will certa= inly travel through dozens of vendor domains and a handful of carrier domai= ns, each potentially structured in a few operational domains. In other words, lgor's statement that GMPLS is not field proven (using a di= fferent term here) to interoperate looks correct. The question is now what'= s next: 1) screw the whole thing since the world doesn't need a standard for protoc= ols that do not interoperate. 2) fix whatever is needed to interoperate (and this requires data plane int= eroperate too) 3) accept the facts and muddle through by pretending interoperability would= be feasible and adding vendor specific loopholes to decrease the probabili= ty we'll ever get there. Perhaps a discussion worth to have together with CCAMP. Gert Get Outlook for iOS _____________________________ From: Doolan, Paul (Coriant - US/Irving) > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on To: >, Igor Bryskin >, Dieter Beller >, Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart= ) >, >, Lou Berger > Hi Dieter, you might want to start by Googling "huawei gmpls interoperability". Just a= thought. cheers, pd ________________________________ From: Teas > on behalf = of Igor Bryskin > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 10:12 AM To: Dieter Beller; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berger; adri= an@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on Dieter, Note that I said =93realistically speaking=94. To be meaningful your email should contain examples of deployed multi-vendo= r (3 or more vendor) solutions interoping via GMPLS, as well GMPLS interope= rability test events (rather than demos) starting from the most recent one. Cheers, Igor From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Dieter Beller Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:55 AM To: Igor Bryskin; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berger; adria= n@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on Hi Igor, all, stating that GMPLS is "uninteroperable" is not correct! GMPLS interoperabil= ity across vendor domains has been demonstrated multiple times with different participating vendors. Thanks, Dieter On 24.03.2017 14:33, Igor Bryskin wrote: Thanks Michael, I have similar concerns. If there is a need for proprietary PCEP extensions= to accommodate vendor specific semantics, how we will not end up with the = same issues that have made GMPLS RSVP-TE/OSPF-TE, realistically speaking, u= ninteroperable? In other words, would you agree that applied to circuit swi= tched technologies, PCEP has exact same probability for interoperability su= ccess as GMPLS? Note that for IP/MPLS networks there is no (or at least muc= h less) potential PCEP interop problems, but IP/MPLS control plane has prov= ed to be interoperable as well. Igor -----Original Message----- From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scharf, Michael (Nok= ia - DE/Stuttgart) Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:32 AM To: Lou Berger; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.= org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on We have already discussed "lively" the speculative statements in certain se= ctions of this document. To me, examples such as section 3.1.4 (and others) ... It may be the case that additional technology- specific parameters are needed to configure the NEs and these parameters will need to be carried in the PCEP messages ... continue to somehow contradict the expectation in Section 4 that extens= ions will be generic: The only work expected to be needed is small extensions to carry additional or specific information elements for the individual use cases. Where possible, consistent with the general principles of how protocols are extended, any additions to the protocol should be made in a generic way such that they are open to use in a range of applications. Having said this, maybe one could add some thoughts on increased PCEP proto= col complexity (e.g., would it possible that the small PCEP extensions woul= d require transaction and rollback support?), impact on running PCEP code, = as well as implications on interoperability testing between implementations= ? This might partly be speculation, but manageability impact doesn't seem e= ntirely unrealistic for some of the use cases considered in the document. Thanks Michael -----Original Message----- From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Mittwoch, 22. M=E4rz 2017 20:19 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on WG, This is the 2nd (or 3rd) time the authors are stating that the document= is ready to LC since it was adopted ~6months ago - without there being any substantive discussion on the document within the WG and only a minor update in December. It's a little hard for us (chairs) to know if silence = is due to complete agreement with the document or simply apathy. From the message below, the authors clearly think it's the former. If you are *not*= an author of this document and are willing to share your opinion on this document, please do so -- preferably on the list, but unicast to the chairs= is also acceptable. We will also ask for feedback on the draft during the sta= tus portion of the meeting. Thank you, Lou (and Pavan) On 3/22/2017 8:01 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: Hi, As requested, here is the status of this I-D. - Not on the agenda in Chicago - New revision posted in December - Fixed nits after re-review by several authors - The authors have repeatedly pointed out to the chairs that the document is complete and ready to move forward. - At this stage, the chairs are blocking progress - Related work... - Use cases document has been adopted in TEAS draft-ietf-teas-pcecc-use-cases Adrian _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org htt --_000_CY1PR0501MB16094F79EA4022360188FD38CE310CY1PR0501MB1609_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi Igor,

    I understand you are asking for something like option 3) although the = exact wording needs to be settled.

    Thanks

    _____________________________
    From: Igor Bryskin <igor.bryskin@huawei.com>
    Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:10 AM
    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central-contro= l>
    To: dieter.beller@nokia.com <dieter.beller@nokia.com>, = <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, <paul.doolan@coriant.com>, <michael.scha= rf@nokia.com>, Igor Bryskin <igor.bryskin@huawei.com>, <lberger= @labn.net>, Gert Grammel <ggrammel@juniper.net>, <teas@ietf.org>


    One option is to accept that GMPLS and PCEP are, generally speaking, n= ot interoperable, allow fot unconstrained intradomain innovations via vendo= r specific extensions and solve the interoperability problem by some other = means, for example, via standartized explici model based NBIs. This is pretty much what ACTN suggests to do.
    Igor

    From:Gert Grammel
    Whether GMPLS is "realistically interoperable" is certainly = worth to debate. By doing so however we have to keep in mind that GMPLS is = a control plane for a non-IP data plane.

    When CCAMP set out to work on GMPLS for WDM (WSON) we might have had a= sked how many of interoperable (non proprietary) DWDM implementations do ex= ist.
    How much leverage you can have from an interoperable control plane whe= n the photons have a hard time to find their way between different vendors?=

    Fortunately the IP data plane is in a better shape as this email will = certainly travel through dozens of vendor domains and a handful of carrier = domains, each potentially structured in a few operational domains.  

    In other words, lgor's statement that GMPLS is not field proven (using= a different term here) to interoperate looks correct. The question is now = what's next:
    1) screw the whole thing since the world doesn't need a standard for p= rotocols that do not interoperate.
    2) fix whatever is needed to interoperate (and this requires data plan= e interoperate too)
    3) accept the facts and muddle through by pretending interoperability = would be feasible and adding vendor specific loopholes to decrease the prob= ability we'll ever get there.

    Perhaps a discussion worth to have together with CCAMP.


    Gert






    _____________________________
    From: Doolan, Paul (Coriant - US/Irving) <paul.doolan@coriant.com>
    Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:38 AM
    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central-contro= l>
    To: <teas@ietf.org>,= Igor Bryskin <ig= or.bryskin@huawei.com>, Dieter Beller <dieter.beller@nokia.com>, Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) <michael.scharf@nokia.com>, <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, Lou Ber= ger <lberger@labn.net>


    Hi Dieter,


    you might want to start by Googling "huawei gmpls interoperability&= quot;. Just a thought.


    cheers,

    pd



    From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> on b= ehalf of Igor Bryskin <Igor.Bryskin@huawei.com>
    Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 10:12 AM
    To: Dieter Beller; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berge= r; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@= ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central= -control>
     

    Dieter,

     

    Note that I said =93realistically speaking=94.=

    To be meaningful your email should contain exa= mples of deployed multi-vendor (3 or more vendor) solutions interoping via = GMPLS, as well GMPLS interoperability test events (rather than demos) starting from the most recent one.

     

    Cheers,

    Igor

     

    From: Teas [mailto:te= as-bounces@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Dieter Beller
    Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:55 AM
    To: Igor Bryskin; Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart); Lou Berger= ; adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@= ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draft-ietf-teas-pce-central= -control>

     

    Hi Ig= or, all,

    stating that GMPLS is "uninteroperable" is not correct! GMPLS int= eroperability across vendor domains has been demonstrated
    multiple times with different participating vendors.


    Thanks,
    Dieter

    On 24.03.2017 14:33, Igor Bryskin wrote:

    Thanks Michael,
     
    I have similar concerns. If there is a need f=
or proprietary PCEP extensions to accommodate vendor specific semantics, ho=
w we will not end up with the same issues that have made GMPLS RSVP-TE/OSPF=
-TE, realistically speaking, uninteroperable? In other words, would you agr=
ee that applied to circuit switched technologies, PCEP has exact same proba=
bility for interoperability success as GMPLS? Note that for IP/MPLS network=
s there is no (or at least much less) potential PCEP interop problems, but =
IP/MPLS control plane has proved to be interoperable as well.
     
    Igor     
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces=
@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
    Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:32 AM
    To: Lou Berger; adrian@olddog.co.=
uk; teas@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draf=
t-ietf-teas-pce-central-control>
     
    We have already discussed "lively" =
the speculative statements in certain sections of this document.
     
    To me, examples such as section 3.1.4 (and ot=
hers) ...
     
       It may be the case that addition=
al technology-
       specific parameters are needed t=
o configure the NEs and these
       parameters will need to be carri=
ed in the PCEP messages
     
    ... continue to somehow contradict the expect=
ation in Section 4 that extensions will be generic:
     
       The only work expected to be nee=
ded is small extensions
       to carry additional or specific =
information elements for the
       individual use cases.  Wher=
e possible, consistent with the general
       principles of how protocols are =
extended, any additions to the
       protocol should be made in a gen=
eric way such that they are open to
       use in a range of applications.<=
/pre>

     
    

    Having said this, maybe one could add some th=
oughts on increased PCEP protocol complexity (e.g., would it possible that =
the small PCEP extensions would require transaction and rollback support?),=
 impact on running PCEP code, as well as implications on interoperability t=
esting between implementations? This might partly be speculation, but manag=
eability impact doesn't seem entirely unrealistic for some of the use cases=
 considered in the document.
    

     
    

    Thanks
    

     
    

    Michael
    

     
    

     
    

    

    -----Original Message-----
    

    From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces=
@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger
    

    Sent: Mittwoch, 22. M=E4rz 2017 20:19
    

    To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on <draf=
t-ietf-teas-pce-central-control>
    

     
    

    WG,
    

     
    

        This is the 2nd (or 3rd) t=
ime the authors are stating that the document is
    

    ready to LC  since it was adopted ~6mont=
hs ago - without there being any
    

    substantive discussion on the document within=
 the WG and only a minor
    

    update in December.  It's a little hard =
for us (chairs) to know if silence is due
    

    to complete agreement with the document or si=
mply apathy.  From the
    

    message below, the authors clearly think it's=
 the former.  If you are *not* an
    

    author of this document and are willing to sh=
are your opinion on this
    

    document, please do so -- preferably on the l=
ist, but unicast to the chairs is
    

    also acceptable.  We will also ask for f=
eedback on the draft during the status
    

    portion of the meeting.
    

     
    

    Thank you,
    

     
    

    Lou (and Pavan)
    

     
    

     
    

    On 3/22/2017 8:01 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:

    

    Hi,
    

     
    

    As requested, here is the status of this I-D.=

    

     
    

    - Not on the agenda in Chicago
    

     
    

    - New revision posted in December
    

       - Fixed nits after re-review by =
several authors
    

     
    

    - The authors have repeatedly pointed out to =
the chairs that the
    

       document is complete and ready t=
o move forward.
    

       - At this stage, the chairs are =
blocking progress
    

     
    

    - Related work...
    

       - Use cases document has been ad=
opted in TEAS
    

          draft-ietf-tea=
s-pcecc-use-cases
    

     
    

    Adrian
    

     
    

     
    

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Regarding my points ... > Michael notes two pieces of text. > The first says that it *may* be the case that technology-specific extensi= ons > are needed. Note that I have just used Section 3.1.4 as *one example*. I have just pick= ed this because for T-SDN, depending on the use case, quite a number of tec= hnology-specific parameters could be needed. I think the document does not = explain well why *small* changes to PCEP could be sufficient for T-SDN. And= it also does not discuss to which extent they could be generic, and what t= his would mean in reality. A very similar problem also exists for Section 3.2.3, as this section also = mentions complex technology for which it is not necessarily trivial to defi= ne generic, technology-independent solutions. Section 3.2.2 is yet another = example that can be challenging in reality, e.g., if the exact capabilities= of the device could matter. =20 > The second says two things: > - that only small extensions are expected > - that any extensions should be made in a generic way if possible Well, in the IETF we typically build protocols that are extensible and we a= lways try to make the design generic. > I certainly don't see any contradiction in this text, but I would welcome > having it explained to me so it can be fixed. I continue to struggle with the wording "small extension". If I think of wh= at extensions could be possible for some of the use cases mentioned in the = document, I could imagine significant additions to the PCEP protocol engine= , e.g., new messages, additional states, a huge number of new attributes, e= tc.=20 To me, it would help to better quantify the word "small". It is a bit diffi= cult for me to propose wording given the huge scope of the use cases, but t= he following would to me at least a little bit better than what the text st= ates right now: =20 ... The only work expected to be needed is small extensions to carry additional or specific information elements for the individual use cases, which maintain backward compatibility and do not impact existing PCEP deployments. ... > I note that the final bullet is very consistent with the purpose of the T= EAS > working group where protocol extensions to RSVP-TE are made in a generic > way where possible even if the motivation is for technology-specific use > cases. >=20 >=20 > Michael then goes on to ask about several points > - Increased PCEP protocol complexity if transaction or rollback support > would be needed. > What can I say? This is an architecture not a requirements document, > but I wonder why this question comes up now and not for the general > question of PCE-initiated LSPs. >From my point of view, the document discusses network configuration use cas= es that could require data models more complex than what is needed for PCE-= initiated LSPs. > - The impact on running PCEP code > Again, this is an architecture not a requirements or solutions documen= t, > but in order for this function to be supported I would assume that > either the protocol extensions have to be backward compatible or that > PCE and all interacting PCCs have to be upgraded. This is good protocol design practice, but since PCCs are already deployed = it might be worth-wile to mention that.=20 There could also be impact on robustness (new functions added to the PCEP i= mplementation), security (potentially new attach vectors resulting from the= new use cases), etc. Since PCEP is essential for network stability, wouldn't it make sense to di= scuss this impact of the architecture? > - Implications on interoperability testing between implementations > As in the previous bullet, this will surely depend on the way that the > protocol extensions are made. I might expect that such extensions > were covered in capability negotiations and made in such a way that > unsupported function is discarded or rejected. My concern is how to maintain interoperability between different implementa= tions, which currently seem to exists for PCEP for MPLS/IP. I could imagine implications such as... * Future interoperability tests for PCEP have to cover new use cases and e.= g. include testing for the protocol extensions and additional information a= ttributes, which may increase the total effort of testing=20 * Existing interoperability tests for PCEP implementations may have to be r= epeated to confirm that already interoperable implementations are still int= eroperable after adding new extensions I mention this since, for our customers, the key motivation for SDN solutio= ns is typically interoperability. And since the document mentions "SDN" in = the first sentence of the abstract, I believe such a discussion is in scope= of the document.=20 > An architecture does not typically try to constrain solutions, but I woul= dn't > think it harmful to include a note on "Guidance for Solution Developers" = that > could touch *lightly* on these points at least by pointing them out, but = not > necessarily directing how they are handled. Indeed, albeit I believe some discussion on the potential challenges of PCE= P extensions could also be homed in Section 4 or 6. > Michael ends by asking about manageability impact. I find that difficult = to > answer. This is a management architecture. It is all about management. So > the impact is that the management of the network would change. > > I confess that Section 6 seemed light when I wrote it. But what to add? W= hat > would you like to see covered in addition? The impact on interoperability of existing PCEP implementations and a discu= ssion how to ensure this interoperability in future might fit in here, no? =20 Michael From nobody Sat Mar 25 12:22:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4B7127071 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 12:22:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tG8yrwlc_2Nb for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 12:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E928126DEE for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 12:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v2PJMsVP019182; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:22:54 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([63.88.116.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v2PJMlBD019143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:22:51 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Scharf, Michael \(Nokia - DE/Stuttgart\)'" Cc: References: <092c01d2a304$19ca7120$4d5f5360$@olddog.co.uk> <30c7bedf-3866-e824-147d-d3344c02a8dd@labn.net> <0C72C38E7EBC34499E8A9E7DD0078639098DB446@SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com> <037901d2a4cd$773eeff0$65bccfd0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:22:48 -0000 Message-ID: <048101d2a59d$3421bb00$9c653100$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKb0aL8/sX5JdHERCal49mBbvQK1wJ8NEHxAuh0PDUB7BZyVQHLy1MnAihZsBefuW9zkA== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.1.0.1062-22966.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--16.260-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--16.260-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: QfHZjzml1E9Rn39sim9+cAgKAWhuC2ojEtdrY/Wb3fO3wsXu/BJrkGJr 9a6TwZ2jsd1IBMpcqUDkdXOpRBCtidux1f2eHThjutvHF25zoU+QW82QXmgoYCBQRBOQhaJiUZ2 pr44sMejE+nTdM2Xui1/zzryQSmeZtw/o4J9vD+ZGypC5CVFOH6CjvIRDW3XLi2g8XzxCDfsz+z kqltke7K9fCkezxy4fWLB2uYKWMtxYXTxImR5ZvK+dYEguu4aVxQ7dj5rD+RtXPwnnY5XL5KM2w wuSd3QV4vM1YF6AJbZcLc3sLtjOt+TCMddcL/gjkGUtrowrXLg= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Status update on X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:22:58 -0000 Thanks Michael, I don't agree with all the points you make, but thanks for the advice on designing network protocols. I guess I am learning all the time. With regard to... > > An architecture does not typically try to constrain solutions, but I wouldn't > > think it harmful to include a note on "Guidance for Solution Developers" that > > could touch *lightly* on these points at least by pointing them out, but not > > necessarily directing how they are handled. > > Indeed, albeit I believe some discussion on the potential challenges of PCEP > extensions could also be homed in Section 4 or 6. > > > Michael ends by asking about manageability impact. I find that difficult to > > answer. This is a management architecture. It is all about management. So > > the impact is that the management of the network would change. > > > > I confess that Section 6 seemed light when I wrote it. But what to add? What > > would you like to see covered in addition? > > The impact on interoperability of existing PCEP implementations and a discussion > how to ensure this interoperability in future might fit in here, no? Great. We'll wait for your text. 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I guess I am learning all the time. Which specific comments do you not agree with? > With regard to... >=20 > > > An architecture does not typically try to constrain solutions, but I > wouldn't > > > think it harmful to include a note on "Guidance for Solution Develope= rs" > that > > > could touch *lightly* on these points at least by pointing them out, > > > but not necessarily directing how they are handled. > > > > Indeed, albeit I believe some discussion on the potential challenges > > of PCEP extensions could also be homed in Section 4 or 6. > > > > > Michael ends by asking about manageability impact. I find that > > > difficult to answer. This is a management architecture. It is all > > > about management. So the impact is that the management of the > network would change. > > > > > > I confess that Section 6 seemed light when I wrote it. But what to > > > add? What would you like to see covered in addition? > > > > The impact on interoperability of existing PCEP implementations and a > discussion > > how to ensure this interoperability in future might fit in here, no? >=20 > Great. > We'll wait for your text. Regarding the interoperability issue specifically, one option would be to a= dd to Section "4. Protocol Implications" something like ... Protocol extensions could have impact on existing PCEP deployments and th= e interoperability between different implementations. It is anticipated tha= t changes of the PCEP protocol or addition of information elements could re= quire additional testing to ensure interoperability between different PCEP = implementations. Does this make sense? Or do I miss something? Michael From nobody Sat Mar 25 15:38:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339F3128796 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:38:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.688 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.688 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y-5ey2bSzjo0 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x234.google.com (mail-vk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F3691277BB for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x234.google.com with SMTP id r69so20368277vke.2 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:38:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=GHYbduB1/EwFgxvAbp7LFJb6elAXJkAVPgJ738WopKU=; b=OXQMQPoSsHQTvhIqJN7rdwDqmYfxarz+l5tXNu1huPVTIBDPu8OXd8PfvvSOWy423M tenYUZl5lostaUErU7YQqoAbESSHb4Ay+t5vKP2TxSmUppCw4Syk/bv1MaJhMC3/eiBW oR9XQgs6FqijC0riek7ycsuzeRmofs7AVNbnPSD99yhmMRmy9cS74yB5mZlpdTn7trsh uLzdFzFtciW5ZCdMJT59/V4aTsD3hCLx7nsuHt0YCAg0CYOD2XdkRPiNc+nLzsF1fPWL CgmClLaJ4RzlMPtzw5W3SCvq8VqhWA4fA8bjMUMYWqC6rHH9ijtx7j3aIwPzMlsuHPdj psNw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GHYbduB1/EwFgxvAbp7LFJb6elAXJkAVPgJ738WopKU=; b=W7WfDlykTCaQmxo27Jm8U0bXR1O3i5+NX3QrDEJzwo2hp9dw2dX9IVtxvObPYZWezB BbdDR3Ddt/KstpLrHuVdCkrjSJU8IinPbkorNZ7I5gQSwVy4RTtre6a0IcFhKHaxug7m ic97r5hdMQb2WHpfT2jIpSuw98mqIPHOADEmAcjk3C+Hr3/MRnkCGAPqY1GZnAsXaIvM xULeVTglF4Dhi/iJ88Bd1AE8W8K8wx55t3GJ2UrxfvGRsXH0/DiwmGYGWM7f4QuEeGjR H4u7S+Hc89teizFlbf1rXToXE01N/dk3TuDUmE5QS6YQlh+YwUEhtqmV0TxesFcGnk8I cMwg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2BWYMQ+AChJE0ezAlL6HagArafzk0CSCm71FvPlBo05cf6SjhiaBRdSOG/Y7zGV130NQ4H22T6ltmtIw== X-Received: by 10.176.85.75 with SMTP id u11mr7047227uaa.36.1490481494341; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:38:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.31.159.143 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:38:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 18:38:13 -0400 Message-ID: To: Rakesh Gandhi Cc: "teas@ietf.org" , "Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi)" , Dhruv Dhody Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f403045e296603c099054b95c4cb Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] -- Open Thread X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 22:38:18 -0000 --f403045e296603c099054b95c4cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rakesh, Hi! Thanks for going through the latest set of diffs. Please see inline for responses (prefixed VPB) Regards, -Pavan On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Rakesh Gandhi wrote: > Hi Pavan, > > Thanks for adding the following text in the document. I have couple of > examples below for discussion. > > > "A DS-TE LSR that advertises Bandwidth Constraints TLV should update the > bandwidth constraints for class-types based on operator policy. For > example, when Russian Dolls Model (RDM) [RFC4127] is in use, then only BC= 0 > may be updated. Whereas, when Maximum Allocation Model (MAM) [RFC4125] is > in use, then all BCs may be updated equally such that the total value > updated is equal to the newly calculated SR traffic average." > > For RDM, if we take an example where max-res-bw is configured as 10, bc0 > as10 and bc1 as 8. If max-res-bw is reduced by 4, then max-res-bw and bc0 > will become 6. What about bc1 which is 8 and now > max-res-bw of 6? > [VPB] As stated in the draft, the bandwidth constraints for class-types are updated based on operator policy. As per policy (for RDM), bc0 gets adjusted first. The adjustment in bc0 may result in other "bc"s also getting adjusted (if needed). If bc1 is found to be greater than the adjusted-bc0 then bc1 is set to the same value as the adjusted-bc0 (same applies for other =E2=80=9Cbc=E2=80=9Ds). So, in your example, bc1 would al= so become 6. > For MAM, if we take an example where max-res-bw is configured as 10, bc0 > as 8 and bc1 as 5 (BC pools have over-booking of (8+5-10=3D3) but max-res= -bw > is the limit enforced on the link). If we reduce the max-res-bw by 4 to n= ew > value 6, we may still keep the bc0 and bc1 as is (but now over-booking is > more (8+5-6=3D7) but max-res-bw is still the limit enforced on the link). > [VPB] If the policy (for MAM) is to adjust all BCs by an equal amount, then for your example -- bc0 would be 6 and bc1 would be 3. The overbooking would remain the same (6+3-6=3D3). > Thoughts? > Thanks, > > Rakesh > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram < > vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Rakesh, >> We recently posted a new revision for this draft ( >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sitaraman-sr-rsvp-coexistence-rec-02). >> This new version addresses all comments related to DS-TE. >> >> WG, >> Please do let us know if there are any further questions/comments. At >> this juncture, we would like to request this draft to be considered for >> adoption. >> >> Regards, >> -Pavan (as a co-author) >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram < >> vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Rakesh, Hi! >>> >>> Thanks for bringing this up. We'll look at adding some text covering >>> DS-TE in the next version. >>> >>> Regards, >>> -Pavan >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:48 AM, Rakesh Gandhi >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Pavan, >>>> >>>> For the option where max-res-bw is adjusted, it would be good to add i= n >>>> the document what happens to Diff-Serve TE BC model RDM, MAM and MAR >>>> bandwidth pools. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Rakesh >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram < >>>> vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Folks, Hi! >>>>> >>>>> We presented in yesterday's >>>>> morning session. Unfortunately, we didn't have any time left to take >>>>> questions. So, I'm opening up a thread for folks to post their >>>>> questions/concerns. >>>>> >>>>> Dhruv (on cc) had a couple of questions and I'll start this thread >>>>> with responses to those -- >>>>> >>>>> (1) Why can't you do only SR on the controller and leave RSVP-TE >>>>> control stay distributed? >>>>> The base requirement for this =E2=80=9Cco-existence arrangement=E2=80= =9D is to ensure >>>>> that the placement of SR LSPs in the same domain DOES NOT introduce a= ny >>>>> inaccuracies in the TED that is used by distributed or centralized RS= VP >>>>> Path computation engines. If your SR-LSPs are management by a >>>>> centralized controller and you don't have the SR utilization informat= ion >>>>> somehow reflected in the TED used by distributed RSVP-TE path computa= tion >>>>> engines, it would result in the TED information being not accurate. >>>>> >>>>> (2) With Option-5, wouldn't there be issues if not all nodes in the >>>>> network support the recommended procedure? >>>>> You do need the recommended procedure to be applied on all RSVP-TE >>>>> nodes in the domain. If not, the TED information would not be complet= ely >>>>> accurate. This is TRUE for the other options as well -- the chosen op= tion >>>>> would need to be uniformly applied to all relevant nodes in the netwo= rk. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> -Pavan >>>>> >>>>> ps: I believe Rakesh (on cc) had a question as well, but couldn't get >>>>> his chance. @Rakesh -- Please do post your question here and we (the >>>>> authors) will respond to it. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Teas mailing list >>>>> Teas@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --f403045e296603c099054b95c4cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Rakesh, Hi!

    Thanks for going through the latest set= of diffs.
    Please see inline for responses (prefixed VPB)

    Regards= ,
    -Pavan

    On= Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Rakesh Gandhi <rgandhi.ietf@gmail.com= > wrote:

    Hi Pavan,

    Thanks for adding the following text in the document. I have couple of examples below for discussion.


    "A DS-TE LSR that advertises Bandwidth Constraints TLV should update t= he bandwidth constraints for class-types based on operator policy. For example= , when Russian Dolls Model (RDM) [RFC4127] is in use, then only BC0 may be updated. Whereas, when Maximum Allocation Model (MAM) [RFC4125] is in use, = then all BCs may be updated equally such that the total value updated is equal t= o the newly calculated SR traffic average."

    For RDM, if we take an example where max-res-bw is configured as 10, bc0 as10 and bc1 as 8. If max-res-bw is red= uced by 4, then max-res-bw and bc0 will become 6. What about bc1 which is 8 and = now > max-res-bw of 6?

    [VPB] As stated in = the draft, the bandwidth constraints for class-types are updated based on o= perator policy. As per policy (for RDM), bc0 gets adjusted first. The adjus= tment in bc0 may result in other "bc"s also getting adjusted (if = needed). If bc1 is found to be greater than the adjusted-bc0 then bc1 is se= t to the same value as the adjusted-bc0 (same applies for other =E2=80=9Cbc= =E2=80=9Ds). So, in your example, bc1 would also become 6.
    =C2=A0

    For MAM, if we take an example where max-res-bw is configured as 10, bc0 as 8 and bc1 as 5 (BC pools have over-booking of (8+5-10=3D3) but max-res-bw is the limit enforced on the li= nk). If we reduce the max-res-bw by 4 to new value 6, we may still keep the bc0 = and bc1 as is (but now over-booking is more (8+5-6=3D7) but max-res-bw is still= the limit enforced on the link).

    [VPB] If the= policy (for MAM) is to adjust all BCs by an equal amount, then for your ex= ample -- bc0 would be 6 and bc1 would be 3. The overbooking would remain th= e same (6+3-6=3D3).

    <= span style=3D"font-family:"times new roman"">

    Thoughts?=C2=A0

    Thanks,

    Rakesh


    On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 2:50 PM, V= ishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote:
    <= div>Rakesh,
    We recently posted a new revision for this draft (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sitaraman-sr-rsvp-co= existence-rec-02). This new version addresses all comments related= to DS-TE.

    WG,
    Please do let us know if there are any furth= er questions/comments. At this juncture, we would like to request this draf= t to be considered for adoption.

    Regards,
    -Pavan (as = a co-author)


    <= div class=3D"gmail_extra">
    On Tue, Nov 15, 20= 16 at 4:32 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote:
    Rakes= h, Hi!

    Thanks for bringing this up. We'll look at addi= ng some text covering DS-TE in the next version.

    Regards,
    -Pavan


    On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:4= 8 AM, Rakesh Gandhi <rgandhi.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
    =
    Hi Pavan,

    For the option where max-res-bw is adjusted, = it would be good to add in the document what happens to Diff-Serve TE BC mo= del RDM, MAM and MAR bandwidth pools.

    Thanks,
    Rakesh<= br>

    On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram &= lt;vishnupavan@g= mail.com> wrote:
    Folks, Hi!<= br>
    We presented <draft-sitaraman-sr-rsvp-coexistence-rec> in yesterday's morning session. Unfortunately= , we didn't have any time left to take questions. So, I'm opening u= p a thread for folks to post their questions/concerns.

    Dhruv (on cc) had a couple of questions and I'll start this thread = with responses to those --

    (1) Why can't y= ou do only SR on the controller and leave RSVP-TE control stay distributed?=
    The base requirement for this =E2=80=9Cco-existence= arrangement=E2=80=9D is to ensure that the placement of SR LSPs in the sam= e domain DOES NOT introduce any inaccuracies in the TED that is used by dis= tributed or centralized RSVP Path computation engines. If your SR-LSPs= are management by a centralized controller and you don't have the SR u= tilization information somehow reflected in the TED used by distributed RSV= P-TE path computation engines, it would result in the TED information being= not accurate.

    (2) With Option-5, wouldn't ther= e be issues if not all nodes in the network support the recommended procedu= re?
    You do need the recommende= d procedure to be applied on all RSVP-TE nodes in the domain. If not, the T= ED information would not be completely accurate. This is TRUE for the other= options as well -- the chosen option would need to be uniformly applied to= all relevant nodes in the network.
    <= br>
    Regards,
    -Pavan

    ps: I believe Rakesh (on cc= ) had a question as well, but couldn't get=20 his chance. @Rakesh -- Please do post your question here and we (the=20 authors) will respond to it.

    _______________________________________________<= br> Teas mailing list
    Teas@ietf.org
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On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > Rakesh, Hi! > > Thanks for going through the latest set of diffs. > Please see inline for responses (prefixed VPB) > > Regards, > -Pavan > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Rakesh Gandhi > wrote: > >> Hi Pavan, >> >> Thanks for adding the following text in the document. I have couple of >> examples below for discussion. >> >> >> "A DS-TE LSR that advertises Bandwidth Constraints TLV should update the >> bandwidth constraints for class-types based on operator policy. For >> example, when Russian Dolls Model (RDM) [RFC4127] is in use, then only B= C0 >> may be updated. Whereas, when Maximum Allocation Model (MAM) [RFC4125] i= s >> in use, then all BCs may be updated equally such that the total value >> updated is equal to the newly calculated SR traffic average." >> >> For RDM, if we take an example where max-res-bw is configured as 10, bc0 >> as10 and bc1 as 8. If max-res-bw is reduced by 4, then max-res-bw and bc= 0 >> will become 6. What about bc1 which is 8 and now > max-res-bw of 6? >> > [VPB] As stated in the draft, the bandwidth constraints for class-types > are updated based on operator policy. As per policy (for RDM), bc0 gets > adjusted first. The adjustment in bc0 may result in other "bc"s also > getting adjusted (if needed). If bc1 is found to be greater than the > adjusted-bc0 then bc1 is set to the same value as the adjusted-bc0 (same > applies for other =E2=80=9Cbc=E2=80=9Ds). So, in your example, bc1 would = also become 6. > > >> For MAM, if we take an example where max-res-bw is configured as 10, bc0 >> as 8 and bc1 as 5 (BC pools have over-booking of (8+5-10=3D3) but max-re= s-bw >> is the limit enforced on the link). If we reduce the max-res-bw by 4 to = new >> value 6, we may still keep the bc0 and bc1 as is (but now over-booking i= s >> more (8+5-6=3D7) but max-res-bw is still the limit enforced on the link)= . >> > [VPB] If the policy (for MAM) is to adjust all BCs by an equal amount, > then for your example -- bc0 would be 6 and bc1 would be 3. The overbooki= ng > would remain the same (6+3-6=3D3). > >> Thoughts? >> > Thanks, >> >> Rakesh >> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram < >> vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Rakesh, >>> We recently posted a new revision for this draft ( >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sitaraman-sr-rsvp-coexistence-rec-02)= . >>> This new version addresses all comments related to DS-TE. >>> >>> WG, >>> Please do let us know if there are any further questions/comments. At >>> this juncture, we would like to request this draft to be considered for >>> adoption. >>> >>> Regards, >>> -Pavan (as a co-author) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram < >>> vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Rakesh, Hi! >>>> >>>> Thanks for bringing this up. We'll look at adding some text covering >>>> DS-TE in the next version. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> -Pavan >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:48 AM, Rakesh Gandhi >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Pavan, >>>>> >>>>> For the option where max-res-bw is adjusted, it would be good to add >>>>> in the document what happens to Diff-Serve TE BC model RDM, MAM and M= AR >>>>> bandwidth pools. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Rakesh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram < >>>>> vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Folks, Hi! >>>>>> >>>>>> We presented in >>>>>> yesterday's morning session. Unfortunately, we didn't have any time = left to >>>>>> take questions. So, I'm opening up a thread for folks to post their >>>>>> questions/concerns. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dhruv (on cc) had a couple of questions and I'll start this thread >>>>>> with responses to those -- >>>>>> >>>>>> (1) Why can't you do only SR on the controller and leave RSVP-TE >>>>>> control stay distributed? >>>>>> The base requirement for this =E2=80=9Cco-existence arrangement=E2= =80=9D is to >>>>>> ensure that the placement of SR LSPs in the same domain DOES NOT int= roduce >>>>>> any inaccuracies in the TED that is used by distributed or centraliz= ed RSVP >>>>>> Path computation engines. If your SR-LSPs are management by a >>>>>> centralized controller and you don't have the SR utilization informa= tion >>>>>> somehow reflected in the TED used by distributed RSVP-TE path comput= ation >>>>>> engines, it would result in the TED information being not accurate. >>>>>> >>>>>> (2) With Option-5, wouldn't there be issues if not all nodes in the >>>>>> network support the recommended procedure? >>>>>> You do need the recommended procedure to be applied on all RSVP-TE >>>>>> nodes in the domain. If not, the TED information would not be comple= tely >>>>>> accurate. This is TRUE for the other options as well -- the chosen o= ption >>>>>> would need to be uniformly applied to all relevant nodes in the netw= ork. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> -Pavan >>>>>> >>>>>> ps: I believe Rakesh (on cc) had a question as well, but couldn't ge= t >>>>>> his chance. @Rakesh -- Please do post your question here and we (the >>>>>> authors) will respond to it. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Teas mailing list >>>>>> Teas@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --94eb2c0312d8ef7627054b9f34ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Ok, thanks Pavan.

    =
    On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Vishnu Pavan Be= eram <vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote:
    Rakesh, Hi!

    Thanks for going through= the latest set of diffs.
    Please see inline for responses (prefixed VPB)=

    Regards,
    -Pavan

    On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Rakesh Gandhi <rgandhi.= ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Pavan,

    Thanks for adding the following text in the document. I have couple of examples below for discussion.


    "A DS-TE LSR that advertises Bandwidth Constraints TLV should update t= he bandwidth constraints for class-types based on operator policy. For example= , when Russian Dolls Model (RDM) [RFC4127] is in use, then only BC0 may be updated. Whereas, when Maximum Allocation Model (MAM) [RFC4125] is in use, = then all BCs may be updated equally such that the total value updated is equal t= o the newly calculated SR traffic average."

    For RDM, if we take an example where max-res-bw is configured as 10, bc0 as10 and bc1 as 8. If max-res-bw is red= uced by 4, then max-res-bw and bc0 will become 6. What about bc1 which is 8 and = now > max-res-bw of 6?

    [VPB] As stated in = the draft, the bandwidth constraints for class-types are updated based on o= perator policy. As per policy (for RDM), bc0 gets adjusted first. The adjus= tment in bc0 may result in other "bc"s also getting adjusted (if = needed). If bc1 is found to be greater than the adjusted-bc0 then bc1 is se= t to the same value as the adjusted-bc0 (same applies for other =E2=80=9Cbc= =E2=80=9Ds). So, in your example, bc1 would also become 6.
    =C2=A0

    For MAM, if we take an example where max-res-bw is configured as 10, bc0 as 8 and bc1 as 5 (BC pools have over-booking of (8+5-10=3D3) but max-res-bw is the limit enforced on the li= nk). If we reduce the max-res-bw by 4 to new value 6, we may still keep the bc0 = and bc1 as is (but now over-booking is more (8+5-6=3D7) but max-res-bw is still= the limit enforced on the link).

    [VPB] If the= policy (for MAM) is to adjust all BCs by an equal amount, then for your ex= ample -- bc0 would be 6 and bc1 would be 3. The overbooking would remain th= e same (6+3-6=3D3).

    <= span style=3D"font-family:"times new roman"">

    Thoughts?=C2=A0

    Thanks,

    Rakesh


    On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupa= van@gmail.com> wrote:
    Rakesh,
    We recently posted= a new revision for this draft (https://tools.iet= f.org/html/draft-sitaraman-sr-rsvp-coexistence-rec-02). This = new version addresses all comments related to DS-TE.

    WG,
    Pl= ease do let us know if there are any further questions/comments. At this ju= ncture, we would like to request this draft to be considered for adoption.<= br>
    Regards,
    -Pavan (as a co-author)



    On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beera= m <vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote:
    Rakesh, Hi!

    Thanks fo= r bringing this up. We'll look at adding some text covering DS-TE in th= e next version.

    Regards,
    -Pavan

    <= div class=3D"gmail_extra">
    On Tue, Nov 15, 20= 16 at 4:48 AM, Rakesh Gandhi <rgandhi.ietf@gmail.com> w= rote:
    Hi Pavan,

    For the option where max-res-bw is a= djusted, it would be good to add in the document what happens to Diff-Serve= TE BC model RDM, MAM and MAR bandwidth pools.

    Thanks,
    Rakesh


    On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vis= hnupavan@gmail.com> wrote:
    Folks, Hi!

    We presented <dr= aft-sitaraman-sr-rsvp-coexistence-rec> in yesterday'= s morning session. Unfortunately, we didn't have any time left to take = questions. So, I'm opening up a thread for folks to post their question= s/concerns.

    Dhruv (on cc) had a couple of questions= and I'll start this thread with responses to those --

    (1) Why can't you do only SR on the controller and leave R= SVP-TE control stay distributed?
    The base requiremen= t for this =E2=80=9Cco-existence arrangement=E2=80=9D is to ensure that the= placement of SR LSPs in the same domain DOES NOT introduce any inaccuracie= s in the TED that is used by distributed or centralized RSVP Path computati= on engines. If your SR-LSPs are management by a centralized controller= and you don't have the SR utilization information somehow reflected in= the TED used by distributed RSVP-TE path computation engines, it would res= ult in the TED information being not accurate.

    <= font size=3D"2">(2) = With Option-5, wouldn't there be issues if not all nodes in the network= support the recommended procedure?
    You do need the recommended procedure to be applied on all RSVP-TE n= odes in the domain. If not, the TED information would not be completely acc= urate. This is TRUE for the other options as well -- the chosen option woul= d need to be uniformly applied to all relevant nodes in the network.

    Rega= rds,
    -Pavan

    ps: I believe Rakesh (on cc) had a question as well, but couldn'= t get=20 his chance. @Rakesh -- Please do post your question here and we (the=20 authors) will respond to it.

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This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling of the IETF. Title : Resource ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) Path Diversity using Exclude Route Authors : Zafar Ali George Swallow Fatai Zhang Dieter Beller Filename : draft-ietf-teas-lsp-diversity-07.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2017-03-27 Abstract: Resource ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering provides support for the communication of exclusion information during labeled switch path setup. This document specifies three new route exclusion types. The new types include exclusions based on LSP, PCE, and network assigned identifiers. 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    we have posted a new version of the LSP diversity draft that resolves a few more document shepherd comments from Lou.

    Please have a look at the new version and provide your comments if any.


    Thanks,
    Dieter


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    A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling of the IETF.

        Title           : Resource ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) Path Diversity using Exclude Route
        Authors         : Zafar Ali
                          George Swallow
                          Fatai Zhang
                          Dieter Beller
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-lsp-diversity-07.txt
	Pages           : 25
	Date            : 2017-03-27

Abstract:
   Resource ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering provides support
   for the communication of exclusion information during labeled switch
   path setup. This document specifies three new route exclusion types.
   The new types include exclusions based on LSP, PCE, and network
   assigned identifiers.

   

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bh=7S7DrF1/wc75qvNBDtFrFpxGpUJClfkUZG3j2E8TTKQ=; b=qYCorbvI42nObvWQfm8yl7qya+ xMbGsK1imBtFJoyTRV/9hgilQVYcIfLoTEZZnvAdsRRqQqFrhIie7medyjpwIufEdMVZ7IcENdRF2 +H9BlHV2pQLET7CemQI+JUJ7+; Received: from pool-100-15-84-20.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.84.20]:34166 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1csZEu-0002iB-IP for teas@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:19:36 -0600 To: TEAS WG From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <8d8708e6-92c3-503d-6096-535c281ed59d@labn.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:19:35 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.84.20 X-Exim-ID: 1csZEu-0002iB-IP X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-84-20.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.84.20]:34166 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 86 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] rough notes from today's session X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 18:19:47 -0000 > TEAS Agenda For IETF 98 > Version: Mar 23, 2017 > > Session 1 > Monday March 27th 2017 > 09:00 - 11:30 - Monday Morning Session I > Room: Vevey 1/2 > > Session 2: Joint with MPLS, PCE, CCAMP > FRIDAY, March 31, 2017 > 0900-1130 Morning Session I > Zurich D > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/agenda/mpls/ > > Etherpad: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-98-teas?useMonospaceFont=true > Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf98/teas > Audio stream: http://ietf98streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf982.m3u > Jabber: xmpp:teas@jabber.ietf.org?join > > Available post session: > Recording: https://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf98/ > YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/ietf/playlists > > Session 1 > Num Start Duration Information > 0 9:00 10 Title: Administrivia & WG Status > Draft: n/a > Presenter: Chairs Lou Berger: presentation 8 will go before 6 > 1 9:10 15 Title: WG Draft updates > Draft: Many > Presenter: Chairs > 2 9:25 20 Title: Yang Data Model for TE Topologies > Draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo > Presenter: Xufeng Liu Michael Shaarf: Model is complex to implement, particularly from the single layer perspective. Would be worth defining what is needed for single-layer, i.e. can you provide direction for the simple case. ???: Fatai: this is foundational, please publish as soon as possible Igor Bryskin: We have a tutorial that includes tunnel model as well -- we publish seperately > 3 9:45 20 Title: A YANG Data Model for Traffic Engineering Tunnels and Interfaces > A YANG Data Model for Resource Reservation Protocol > A YANG Data Model for RSVP-TE > Draft: https:/tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp-te > Presenter: Tarek Saad Lou Berger: WRT items that are not explicitly covered in specs, but allowed for -- should these be features or not Tarek: we've struggled with this, and are generally using features when something isn't supported by all Lou Berger: Also please revisit the modules to ensure that technology specific parts aren't in the generic and the reverse Dhruv: Can you clarify the semantics of bandwidth-type? Tarek: static type is used if the bandwidth is explicitly set; dynamic type is used to indicate auto-bandwidth functionality. > 4 10:05 10 Title: ACTN Framework and Requirements > Draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-actn-framework > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-actn-requirements > Presenter: Young Lee/Daniele Ceccarelli Michael Shaarf: the document seems a bit dated, it sems it needs an update to reflect recent developments and state of industry in 2017, e.g., requirments have not kept pace with framework. Also not clear what all interfaces are all about, e.g., CMI Young: MMI is a special case of MPI so no need for specific requirements. We can add specifics for MPI and MMI in the requirements Lou: it is not clear where the requirements apply Lou: I am proposing to take the text from the mapping draft into the framework draft to help people understanding the ACTN terminology > 5 10:15 10 Title: Applicability of YANG models for ACTN > ACTN Abstraction Methods > Draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-teas-actn-yang > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-teas-actn-abstraction > Presenter: Daniele / Haomian ACTN Abstraction Methods (Daniele) Igor: how does white topology helps with proprietary extensions? Dainele: do not make it white. Unless you have an MDSC that understands the proprietary extensions, you should suggest not to use white topology and go for grey topology Applicability of YANG models for ACTN (Haomian) Michael: for CMI technology-specific attributes, is there no overlap with other WGs? > 8 10:25 10 Title: Traffic Engineering and Service Mapping Yang Model > Draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-teas-te-service-mapping-yang > Presenter: Dhruv Dhody Igor: It is too simple, there is no 1:! mapping between L3SM and TE Tunnel. The only way to do is via versatile policy models Dhruv: we have a map-type which is not yet an exaustive list but new modes can be added to address this use case Michael: not clear the use case. The mapping for L3SM can be more complex, expecially with multi-AS case. Why this mapping cannot be internal and needs a YANG model? Dhruv: need to visualize which TE Tunnel is used for an L3SM, e.g., to monitor it Michael: With multiple-AS we need to envision if we have one or multiple MDCS which impacts the whole ACTN architecture > 6 10:35 10 Title: A Yang Data Model for ACTN VN Operation > Draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-teas-actn-vn-yang > Presenter: Dhruv Dhody Igor: what is the difference between VN model and TE abstract topology model. Abstract topology can address all these things Lou: please have a discussion on the list about this comment before the next meeting > 7 10:45 10 Title: YANG models for ACTN TE Performance Monitoring Telemetry and Network Autonomics > (real :49) Draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics > Presenter: Young Lee Michael: I have not found requirements for telemetry in the requirements document. The telemetry information is packet technology specific Igor: we are defining telemetric information for TE Tunnel/Topology with technology-specific augmentation Lou: the authors of the two drafts to work together to reconcile the two documents > 9 10:55 10 Title: PCE in Native IP Network > (10:58) Draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-teas-pce-native-ip > Presenter: Aijun Wang Lou Berger: How many have read draft -- a few How many think that the WG should be working on this type of TE? -- very few (conclusion) It doesn't seem like there is currently support for this in the WG, perhaps send mail on the how you are addressing questions previously raised to generate interest and discussion on the list > 10 11:05 10 Title: Recommendations for RSVP-TE and Segment Routing LSP co-existence > (11:08) Draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sitaraman-sr-rsvp-coexistence-rec > Presenter: Harish Sitaraman / Vishnu Pavan Beeram Lou Berger: How many think the WG should be looking at signalled and SR based TE - A reasonable number How many have read the document - about the same How many think this draft is a good foundation for the WG activity in this area - about the same (conclusion) Looks like there is support for adoption, will take it to the list. > 11 11:15 10 Title: Fast Reroute Procedures For Associated Bidirectional Label Switched Paths (LSPs) > Draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhishah-teas-assoc-corouted-bidir > Presenter: Rakesh Gandhi Stewart Bryant: How do you handle one way failures and maintain co-route requirment George Swallow: control plane will detect failure and take link down Tarek: downstream node can detect failure and signal failure Lou Berger: How many think this function is important for the WG to work on - A reasonable number How many have read the document - a few less, but still a reasonable number How many think this draft is a good foundation for the WG activity in this area - about the same Does anyone have reservations on adoption? -- no (conclusion) Looks like there is support for adoption, will take it to the list. > 12 11:25 5 Title: ONF/T-API Services vs. IETF/YANG Models and Interfaces > Draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryskin-teas-yang-ietf-vs-onf-00 > Presenter: Igor Bryskin Lou: we usually do not see drafts with comparisons with other groups, what is the objective? Igor: trying to compare two models to see what is missing Lou: have you found something missing in the TEAS model? Igor: no Scott: as LS person, the perception from ONF people of this draft is negative. If you wish to involve ONF people, it needs to be softened to be more collaborative Igor: we have at least got attention from T-API Lou: getting attention from other SDOs is not our mission, we care about what is missing in our work and not in what it is missing on the other groups Michael: concerns with the wording, the "versus" word is not inviting collaboration Daniele: having this work was one of the intention of the Transport NBI DT in CCAMP, it would be good to synch-up with the DT Gert: Fatai: we are doing standard for the industry, if there is confusion in the industry, we need to help resolve it. I think this draft is useful > Adjourn 11:30 > Note takers (feel free to add your name here): Haomian Zheng Italo Busi From nobody Mon Mar 27 11:47:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598B7129481; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:47:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id av84iNIwtRX7; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot0-x22d.google.com (mail-ot0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C57501292FC; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id 102so26922354otv.0; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:47:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=51JNk3NacVrKjH0LCkc+CyTLtUEkbZ4ODCHOfAcQZ58=; b=qM/fnP/T68owDud3DPWTZSmkCJnS9buQ7a0GbiaYHErknI+gkvPK5sEeMPZEwibqoD AnOPyCFMz3VKtKwYbC0jZ6lECcthpupYTB7q4EWbR2fTfHS6HBLHqSE8KMciO66aqccW SA384/YS5uaMgCjkxhWEPV61qFrzci6aHGn1NK670t3BvDxC+/TvRqogjKFxPAgcpLBr 7IUG9A4mFXE31rvmbR/IC8gvZ5TjkxdF95wNQRnaQdIr+0DLQRYgS9GCpbYmiGb91zux Pv/abY79jBgX7l0zZrGSm+lAsQ2GOC/WJLBUMSzBUFa06hAFAdh1DeEsq5a21KpKCdto tiew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=51JNk3NacVrKjH0LCkc+CyTLtUEkbZ4ODCHOfAcQZ58=; b=IoEwf+O0BCRrZ2YRpx0lJyHeTO6ZovIgN6nkWpfJsveXO03DGl9mV8/B+/dsmF/Zoy g/Efp6/KQofW4yLLMad34rW2mBkmudp6QKcbgEgBbMOXV87McPWQNTSoZhd/b/EUpE+K LAZqtLFhiYZpGwJh1Q62xu4dTLDQ4Jfu53WG3C0P5hw8LkyQrn7EH7Pq1oUxIjcPv5oZ BN+/J+f/0RhzaKVOjeyhIT00SezdunrNtxIxeJvCOdnEDeZv9nEjCeqdadNHzS+LIRO+ P2W7BPy1URak5Dyl6xYt5IK0xyr967cn/2lR17kTEZN2Rcg3lq15mdOtCB3AYGAWF8rS RoIA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1+TRoRvJp1NXDexuvw1329BL7kIffyiAg389r360jMfQSDj+Ab/u3iPljOQ6xVNm/tGRlok4ckorCK7w== X-Received: by 10.157.53.34 with SMTP id o31mr7072646otc.76.1490640449226; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:47:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.39.167 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:47:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <69C6C1C4-F3A8-405C-9330-88AF3E592E9B@huawei.com> References: <2716CB65-5FA7-467D-A2CE-301888D946BC@huawei.com> <936460141.2410376.1490295937351@mail.yahoo.com> <69C6C1C4-F3A8-405C-9330-88AF3E592E9B@huawei.com> From: Greg Mirsky Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 13:47:28 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Kiran.Makhijani" Cc: joel jaeggli , "ningso@yahoo.com" , NVO3 , "teas@ietf.org" , "Anima@ietf.org" , "nfvrg@irtf.org" , "detnet@ietf.org" , "dmm@ietf.org" , Alex Galis , "Dongjie (Jimmy)" , Chao Kan , "stewart.bryant" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113e09ce76db56054bbac644 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] [nvo3] IETF98 NetSlices side meeting agenda and schedule (27/03 Mon @ 18:15) Location: Vevey 1/2 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 18:47:32 -0000 --001a113e09ce76db56054bbac644 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kiran, would you kindly record the discussion through WebEx and share the recording? Regards, Greg On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Kiran.Makhijani wrote: > Hello, > We have been able to get webex link for the side meeting. Please see > attachment for details. > > Thanks > Kiran > > On 3/24/17, 1:40 AM, "joel jaeggli" wrote: > > On 3/23/17 12:05 PM, ningso@yahoo.com wrote: > > Kiran, DongJie, Alex, Stewart, > > > > Is the NetSlices a BoF? It's not on the official agenda. A few of > us > > would like to attend remotely. Will there be an audio/Jabber > provided > > to allow remote participation? Thanks. > > It is not. it's also outside the hours of streaming coverage. > > joel > > > Ning So > > 972-955-0914 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > *From:* Kiran.Makhijani > > *To:* NVO3 ; "teas@ietf.org" ; > > "Anima@ietf.org" ; "nfvrg@irtf.org" >; > > "detnet@ietf.org" ; "dmm@ietf.org" > > *Cc:* Alex Galis ; Dongjie (Jimmy) > > ; stewart.bryant > > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:38 PM > > *Subject:* [nvo3] IETF98 NetSlices side meeting agenda and schedule > > (27/03 Mon @ 18:15) Location: Vevey 1/2 > > > > [Changed recepients from BCC to =E2=80=98To=E2=80=99: NV03, DMM, DE= TNET, TEAS, ANIMA, > > NFVRG to bypass list-owner=E2=80=99s approval; Please don=E2=80=99t= reply-all] > > > > Hello all, > > We invite you to participate in NetSlices side meeting at IETF 98. > The > > details are as follows - > > > > - Location: Room Vevey 1/2, > > - Date/Time: 2017.03.27, 18:15-21:15 > > - Agenda: > > https://github.com/netslices/IETF-NetSlices/tree/master/ > IETF98_Sidemeeting02 > > Please see detailed (agenda.md) and summarized (agenda.txt) text. > > Scope of the meeting is mentioned in agenda as well. > > > > Please feel free to forward this invitation to anyone interested. > > > > Regards > > Kiran, DongJie, Alex, Stewart > > _______________________________________________ > > nvo3 mailing list > > nvo3@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nvo3 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nvo3 mailing list > > nvo3@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nvo3 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nvo3 mailing list > nvo3@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nvo3 > > --001a113e09ce76db56054bbac644 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi Kiran,
    would you kindly record the discussion throu= gh WebEx =C2=A0and share the recording?

    Regards,
    Greg

    On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Kiran.Makhijani = <Kiran.M= akhijani@huawei.com> wrote:
    Hello,
    We have been able to get webex link for the side meeting. Please see attach= ment for details.

    Thanks
    Kiran

    On 3/24/17, 1:40 AM, "joel jaeggli" <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:

    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 3/23/17 12:05 PM, ning= so@yahoo.com wrote:
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Kiran, DongJie, Alex, Stewart,
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Is the NetSlices a BoF?=C2=A0 It's not on the offici= al agenda.=C2=A0 A few of us
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > would like to attend remotely.=C2=A0 Will there be an au= dio/Jabber provided
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > to allow remote participation?=C2=A0 Thanks.

    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 It is not. it's also outside the hours of streaming cover= age.

    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 joel

    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Ning So
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > 972-955-0914
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > ---------------------------------------------------= ---------------------
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > *From:* Kiran.Makhijani <Kiran.Makhijani@huawei.com>
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > *To:* NVO3 <nvo3@iet= f.org>; "teas@ietf.org&quo= t; <teas@ietf.org>;
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > "Anima@ietf.org" <Anima@ietf.org>; &quo= t;nfvrg@irtf.org" <nfvrg@irtf.org>;
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > "detnet@ietf.org= " <detnet@ietf.org>; = "dmm@ietf.org" <dmm@ietf.org>
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > *Cc:* Alex Galis <galis.alex@gmail.com>; Dongjie (Jimmy)
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > <jie.dong@huaw= ei.com>; stewart.bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:38 PM
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > *Subject:* [nvo3] IETF98 NetSlices side meeting agenda a= nd schedule
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > (27/03 Mon @ 18:15) Location: Vevey 1/2
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > [Changed recepients from BCC to =E2=80=98To=E2=80=99: NV= 03, DMM, DETNET, TEAS, ANIMA,
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > NFVRG to bypass list-owner=E2=80=99s approval; Please do= n=E2=80=99t reply-all]
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Hello all,
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > We invite you to participate in NetSlices side meeting a= t IETF 98. The
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > details are as follows -
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > -=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Location: Room Vevey= 1/2,
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > -=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date/Time: 2017.03.2= 7, 18:15-21:15
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > -=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Agenda:
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > https= ://github.com/netslices/IETF-NetSlices/tree/master/IETF98_Sidemee= ting02
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Please see detailed (agenda.md) and summarized (agenda.txt) t= ext.
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Scope of the meeting is mentioned in agenda as well.
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Please feel free to forward this invitation to anyone in= terested.
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Regards
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Kiran, DongJie, Alex, Stewart
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > _______________________________________________
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > nvo3 mailing list
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > nvo3@ietf.org <m= ailto:nvo3@ietf.org>
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listi= nfo/nvo3
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > _______________________________________________
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > nvo3 mailing list
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > nvo3@ietf.org
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listi= nfo/nvo3
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >





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Would be worth defining what is needed for single-lay= er, > i.e. can you provide direction for the simple case. Since I was asked to follow-up on the list: For instance, one example would be to have a feature for the parts of the m= odel that are only needed in a multi-layer case. I haven't tried it out mys= elf, but hopefully this would not change the YANG tree structure. This coul= d it make easier for implementers to determine which parts of the YANG mode= l are essential, in particular for vanilla single-layer TE (for which use c= ases exist). There might be some other parts of the model that may also not be required = in all use cases. One such example are the statistics. To me, this could be= a candidate for a feature, too. I observe that the statistics are optional= , but I still believe it would help implementers to identify the key parts= of the model that are important for interoperability between different imp= lementations. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, a reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho: When: Tuesday 18:45-20:15 Room: Zurich B Remote participation - Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE BR Daniele, Nic, Loa --_000_VI1PR07MB10054D43730534EB63F29DE6F0320VI1PR07MB1005eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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    a reminder for the FlexE side m= eeting and the link to Meetecho:

     

    When: Tuesday 18:45-20:15<= /o:p>

    Room: Zurich B

    Remote participation - Meetecho= : http://www.meetecho.com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE

     

    BR
    Daniele, Nic, Loa

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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...and the agenda >> The agenda will be: >> >> 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng >> 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive: Iftekhar Hussain >> 3. FlexE in the IETF: Mach Chen >> 4. Open Mic From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: marted=EC 28 marzo 2017 12:00 To: pce@ietf.org; TEAS WG ; routing-discussion@ietf.org; mpl= s@ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org Cc: Ignas Bagdonas ; draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org= ; N.Leymann@telekom.de Subject: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting Hi everyone, a reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho: When: Tuesday 18:45-20:15 Room: Zurich B Remote participation - Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE BR Daniele, Nic, Loa --_000_VI1PR07MB1005A7B83B7605A5E10053BCF0320VI1PR07MB1005eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    …and the agenda

     

    >> The agenda will be:=

    >> 

    >> 1. FlexE background= and origins: Haomian Zheng

    >> 2. FlexE Technology= Deep Dive:   Iftekhar Hussain

    >> 3. FlexE in the IET= F:            Mach C= hen

    >> 4. Open Mic

     

     

    From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
    Sent: marted=EC 28 marzo 2017 12:00
    To: pce@ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>; routing-discussion@= ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org
    Cc: Ignas Bagdonas <ibagdona@gmail.com>; draft-izh-ccamp-flexe= -fwk@ietf.org; N.Leymann@telekom.de
    Subject: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting

     

    Hi everyone,=

     

    a = reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho:

     

    Wh= en: Tuesday 18:45-20:15

    Ro= om: Zurich B

    Re= mote participation - Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.= com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE

     

    BR=
    Daniele, Nic, Loa

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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, thanks for the useful and productive meeting. I've uploaded the slides in the CCAMP page as well as the minutes (thanks t= o Andy for putting them together) https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/session/ccamp The recordings can be found at the following link http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIETF98_CCAMP_Fl= exE&chapter=3Dchapter_1 Thanks Daniele & Nic From: Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: marted=EC 28 marzo 2017 12:10 To: Daniele Ceccarelli ; pce@ietf.org; TEA= S WG ; routing-discussion@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; ccamp@iet= f.org Cc: Ignas Bagdonas ; draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org= ; N.Leymann@telekom.de Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting ...and the agenda >> The agenda will be: >> >> 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng >> 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive: Iftekhar Hussain >> 3. FlexE in the IETF: Mach Chen >> 4. Open Mic From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: marted=EC 28 marzo 2017 12:00 To: pce@ietf.org; TEAS WG >; routing-discussion@ietf.org;= mpls@ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org Cc: Ignas Bagdonas >; draft-i= zh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org; N.L= eymann@telekom.de Subject: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting Hi everyone, a reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho: When: Tuesday 18:45-20:15 Room: Zurich B Remote participation - Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE BR Daniele, Nic, Loa --_000_AM2PR07MB09940C2242BF984060E67A2AF0350AM2PR07MB0994eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi everyone,

     

    thanks for the useful and produ= ctive meeting.

     

    I’ve uploaded the slides = in the CCAMP page as well as the minutes (thanks to Andy for putting them t= ogether)

    https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/= session/ccamp

     

    The recordings can be found at = the following link

    http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIETF98= _CCAMP_FlexE&chapter=3Dchapter_1

     

    Thanks

    Daniele & Nic

     

    From: Daniele Ceccarelli
    Sent: marted=EC 28 marzo 2017 12:10
    To: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; pce@= ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>; routing-discussion@ietf.org; mpls@= ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org
    Cc: Ignas Bagdonas <ibagdona@gmail.com>; draft-izh-ccamp-flexe= -fwk@ietf.org; N.Leymann@telekom.de
    Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting

     

    …and the agenda

     

    >> The agenda will be:

    >> 

    >> 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng<= /p>

    >> 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive:   Iftekhar Hussain<= /o:p>

    >> 3. FlexE in the IETF:       &n= bsp;    Mach Chen

    >> 4. Open Mic=

     

     

    From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
    Sent: marted=EC 28 marzo 2017 12:00
    To: pce@ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>; routing-discussion@ietf.org<= /a>; mpls@ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org
    Cc: Ignas Bagdonas <ibagdon= a@gmail.com>; draft-izh-ccamp-flexe= -fwk@ietf.org; N.Leymann@telekom.de
    Subject: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting

     

    Hi everyone,=

     

    a = reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho:

     

    Wh= en: Tuesday 18:45-20:15

    Ro= om: Zurich B

    Re= mote participation - Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.= com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE

     

    BR=
    Daniele, Nic, Loa

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