From nobody Wed Feb 8 22:02:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370D312988D for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 22:02:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7QNc7W_9WxjU for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 22:02:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ua0-x22b.google.com (mail-ua0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 655381294EC for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 22:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ua0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id 35so127039070uak.1 for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:02:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XByQYNy8CQHXVAxzv3xq97vgknZhzCiVRcfXtldP3fM=; b=KqPCqh3QBSaXqud31C4xctQDd+UhOdJYrLOhuon0ATO4MFVUiv8Pyg2irOaFlKakvw rM2l8yGfdMhWBBWxoGhHJ4Lnbs/H5xXwHpFR9Qgvp0OKXun651XEgcaE+CCenDeOL5F/ JS6vslW8AD4O+nh54yP2Z5S8Z0UEjlitUJYtoPLRXeMW6slNIdjCNrCmRAb0FX6mWy8F FqWoA0/pnRQeULwWTdUonzvHFfa8e5HZN5m7rmrgUIw3ACAzPpvTQ5abw2E8YpfYWLHu O5SnglVVUm4ml3+nSvOMMH09CJC3giislK2IAaD3rUTZ8PiAZLq+CvKagYxFELBTPmWy t80Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XByQYNy8CQHXVAxzv3xq97vgknZhzCiVRcfXtldP3fM=; b=sKk7W0H5k+9sPAIWZuVnGL4JRWU5oBHhElOEyADLUZ0BpoHbaiQx8NRC6cyqAhd69E XPJNV2t++pTLk9aw6KEgOwgmbs77neIYMLLwgIsv84oByecRQwHxn1S2BFnsoB4H+jXZ GpM1vZGb/hnz2zmLm7F5i//nIOK/92G5qJJWbnJ0aWtB+UGLzBx1XxwWnsPkFCYhuRTN /4FrwAEXPvMUNW9FvG7ijhg2EUWWU35XVsloKC3/eZjkrMk+O9ptn3J0HI3BusxjnSil Nk9PG1UV/O0K9gJRmVXEfs10SEE1hJfh9KDcf7NdcRGeAPelPQjDZx2Qi80qakRUtvc7 Vb/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39nMA1R1rG14ykOGfxwzpD/ieKeS2PpBUJWnHNWzo9gtXLoEaNEDiw7xLseDVoBWZW3Y4qceJ5N7TKtOdw== X-Received: by 10.159.36.108 with SMTP id 99mr620106uaq.27.1486620163126; Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:02:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dapeng Liu Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 06:02:32 +0000 Message-ID: To: teep@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113d1268bd3c1d054812bafc Archived-At: Cc: Hannes Tschofenig Subject: [Teep] TEEP BoF X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 06:02:49 -0000 --001a113d1268bd3c1d054812bafc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello all, Hannes and I would like to draw your attention to a BOF we would like to hold at the next IETF meeting and want to provide a bit background and motivation of what we are trying to accomplish. Several companies have been working on an application layer security protocol that allows to configure security credentials and software running on a Trusted Execution Environment (TEE). Today, TEEs are, for example, found home routers, set-top boxes, smart phones, tablets, wearables, etc. Unfortunately, there have been mostly proprietary protocols used in this environment. With this BOF we are making an attempt to standardize such a protocol. An strawman proposal of such a protocol has been published with https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pei-opentrustprotocol-03. This should give you an idea what this is about. In the BOF we would like to do the following: * Explain TEEs, the problem we are trying to solve, and a bit of history * Walk through some use cases * Talk about the architecture * Point to one possible solution In the end we would like to find out what the level of interest from the folks in the IETF to work on such a solution. Thanks, Dapeng&Hannes --001a113d1268bd3c1d054812bafc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello all, =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Hannes and I would like to draw y= our attention to a BOF we would like to hold at the next IETF meeting and w= ant to provide a bit background and motivation of what we are trying to acc= omplish.

=C2=A0

Sever= al companies have been working on an application layer security protocol th= at allows to configure security credentials and software running on a Trust= ed Execution Environment (TEE). Today, TEEs are, for example, found home ro= uters, set-top boxes, smart phones, tablets, wearables, etc. Unfortunately,= there have been mostly proprietary protocols used in this environment.

=

=C2=A0

With this BOF we ar= e making an attempt to standardize such a protocol. An strawman proposal of= such a protocol has been published with=C2=A0https://to= ols.ietf.org/html/draft-pei-opentrustprotocol-03. This should give you = an idea what this is about.

=C2=A0

In the BOF we would like to do the following:

=C2=A0* Explain TEEs, the problem we are trying to solve, and a bi= t of history

=C2=A0* Walk through some use cases<= /p>

=C2=A0* Talk about the architecture

=C2=A0* Point to one possible solution

=C2=A0

In the end we would like to find out = what the level of interest from the folks in the IETF to work on such a sol= ution.

=C2=A0


Thanks,

Dapeng&Hannes

--001a113d1268bd3c1d054812bafc-- From nobody Thu Feb 9 22:31:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietf.org Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C63129629; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 14:30:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: "IETF Announcement List" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.42.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148659301062.4378.13464248001036868081.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 14:30:10 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 22:31:47 -0800 Cc: max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com, Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com, teep@ietf.org Subject: [Teep] New Non-WG Mailing List: TEEP- (A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement) X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:30:10 -0000 A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. List address: teep@ietf.org Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?email_list=teep To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teep Purpose: Discussion of Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement For additional information, please contact the list administrators. From nobody Thu Feb 9 22:31:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietf.org Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D14D12A086; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 14:50:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: "IETF Announcement List" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.42.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148659423008.4244.5628306861902795442.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 14:50:30 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 22:31:47 -0800 Cc: max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com, Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com, teep@ietf.org Subject: [Teep] New Non-WG Mailing List: TEEP- A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:50:30 -0000 A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. List address: teep@ietf.org Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?email_list=teep To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teep Purpose: Chips used on smart phones, tablets, and many consumer appliances today have built-in support for a so-called Trusted Execution Environment (TEE). The TEE is a security concept that separates normal operating systems, like Linux, from code that requires higher security protection, like security-related code. The underlying idea of this sandboxing approach is to have smaller code that is better reviewed and test and to provide it with more rights. They run on the so-called Secure World (in comparison to the Linux operating system that would run in the Normal World). TEEs have been on the market for a while and have been successfully used for a number of applications, such as payment. However, the technology hasn't reached its full potential since ordinary developers who could make use of such functionality have a hard time getting access to it, and to write applications for it . With the Open Trust Protocol, see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pei-opentrustprotocol-03, we have been trying to develop this application layer security protocol that allows the management of credentials and the update of such applications. This list is used for the discussion of Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement. 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The industry has been working on an application layer security protocol that allows to configure security credentials and software running on a Trusted Execution Environment (TEE) for sometime. Today, TEEs are, for example, found home routers, set-top boxes, smart phones, tablets, wearables, etc. Unfortunately, there have been mostly proprietary protocols used in this environment. With this BOF we are making an attempt to standardize such a protocol. An strawman proposal of such a protocol has been published with =E2=80=8B https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pei-opentrustprotocol-03. In the BOF we would like to do the following: - Explain TEEs, the problem we are trying to solve, and a bit of history - Walk through some use cases - Talk about the architecture - Point to one possible solution In the end we would like to find out what the level of interest from the folks in the IETF to work on such a solution. - Agenda - Introduction of TEEs and the history - 20 min - TEEP use cases and problem statement - 20 min - TEEP architecture - 20 min - Possible solutions - 15 min - Tough Questions - 10 minutes - Wrap up - 5 minutes - Status: WG Forming - Responsible AD: Kathleen Moriarty - BoF proponents: Dapeng Liu (Alibaba: =E2=80=8Bmax.ldp@alibaba-inc.com)= , Hannes Tschofenig (ARM: =E2=80=8BHannes.Tschofenig@arm.com) - BoF chairs: TBD - Number of people expected to attend: 50 - Length of session (1, 1.5, 2, or 2.5 hours): 1.5 hours - Conflicts to avoid (whole Areas and/or WGs): Security Area - Links to the mailing list, draft charter if any, relevant Internet-Drafts, - Mailing List: =E2=80=8B https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?email_list=3Dteep[[BR]] - Relevant drafts: - Use case and problem statement - TBD - Possible Solution: - =E2=80=8Bhttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pei-opentrustprotocol-03= . __________ Your comments&questions are welcomed! Thanks, Dapeng Liu --001a113d1268dd45ee054828aece Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all:

Here is the WiKi of TEEP BoF= :


________

A Protocol f= or Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement (TEEP)

=
  • Name: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment E= nablement (TEEP)=C2=A0
  • Description:
    The goal of this group is to standardize p= rotocol for dynamic trusted excution environment enablement.
<= p style=3D"font-family:"times new roman",times,serif;font-size:14= .6667px">

The industry has been working on an appl= ication layer security protocol that allows to configure security credentia= ls and software running on a Trusted Execution Environment (TEE) for someti= me. Today, TEEs are, for example, found home routers, set-top boxes, smart = phones, tablets, wearables, etc. Unfortunately, there have been mostly prop= rietary protocols used in this environment.

<= /p>

With this BOF we are making an attempt to standard= ize such a protocol. An strawman proposal of such a protocol has been publi= shed with=C2=A0=E2=80=8Bhttps://tools.ietf.org= /html/draft-pei-opentrustprotocol-03.=C2=A0

In the BOF we would like to do the following:

  • Explain TEEs, the problem we are trying to solve, and a bi= t of history
  • Walk through some use cases
  • Talk about= the architecture
  • Point to one possible solution
<= p style=3D"font-family:"times new roman",times,serif;font-size:14= .6667px">In the end we would like to find out what the level of interest fr= om the folks in the IETF to work on such a solution.

  • = Agenda
    • Introduction of TEEs and the history - 20 min
      • TEEP use cases and problem statement - 20 min
    • TEEP architectur= e - 20 min
    • Possible solutions - 15 min
    • Tough Questi= ons - 10 minutes
    • Wrap up - 5 minutes
  • Status: WG Forming
  • Responsible AD: Kathleen Moriart= y
  • BoF proponents: Dapeng Liu (Alibaba:=C2=A0=E2=80=8Bmax.ldp= @alibaba-inc.com), Hannes Tschofenig (ARM:=C2=A0=E2=80=8BHannes.= Tschofenig@arm.com)
  • BoF chairs: TBD
  • Number of p= eople expected to attend: 50
  • Length of session (1, 1.5, 2, or 2= .5 hours): 1.5 hours
  • Conflicts to avoid (whole Areas and/or WGs= ): Security Area
  • Links to the mailing list, draft charter if an= y, relevant Internet-Drafts,=C2=A0


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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the initiative of TEEP BoF. I fully agree that the problems that= TEEP tries to address is an important area. I look forward to the BoF and = some WG forming for solving the needed interoperability protocol in managin= g TEE trusted applications. There is a need of a standard protocol that can establish the trust between= a device entity and an application manager provider. Such a trust is funda= mental in the application and growth of the use of TEE. The basic use cases are as follows in establishing trust for TEE and its ap= plication management providers. 1. A device TEE needs to validate and trust a remote trusted application ma= nager (TAM) before it allows the TAM installs and updates applications and = security domains in the device. 2. A trusted application manager needs to be able to reliably attest a devi= ce that it targets to deploy and update a trusted application. The device attestation to a remote service is important, and it must be don= e in an interoperable way to allow many service managers and service provid= ers. In a subset of this, a TEE in a device carries the main elements of device = attestation information such as a device key and so on. 3. A service provider that developers a trusted application may remotely ma= nage a device via a TAM protocol and further a TAM provider as it chooses t= o do so. 4. There needs a standard way to manage security domains in a TEE of a devi= ce by TAM providers. There is a gap today in addressing the trust establishment problem. The pro= posal https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pei-opentrustprotocol-03 aimed to f= ill the gap in this. Thanks, Ming --_000_DM3PR16MB0554DEB3B639F3EB49CA3264EC590DM3PR16MB0554namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Thanks for the initiative of TEEP BoF. I fully agree that the probl= ems that TEEP tries to address is an important area. I look forward to= the BoF and some WG forming for solving the needed interoperabil= ity protocol in managing TEE trusted applications.


    There is a need of a standard protocol that can establish = ;the trust between a device entity and an application manager pro= vider. Such a trust is fundamental in the application and growth of th= e use of TEE. 


    The basic use cases are as follows in establishing trust for TEE and its= application management providers.


    1. A device TEE needs to validate and trust a remote trusted applic= ation manager (TAM) before it allows the TAM installs and updates applicati= ons and security domains in the device.


    2. A trusted application manager needs to be able to reliably attest a d= evice that it targets to deploy and update a trusted application.


    The device attestation to a remote service is important, and it must be = done in an interoperable way to allow many service managers and service pro= viders.


    In a subset of this, a TEE in a device carries the main elements of devi= ce attestation information such as a device key and so on.


    3. A service provider that developers a trusted application may remotely= manage a device via a TAM protocol and further a TAM provider as it choose= s to do so.


    4. There needs a standard way to manage security domains in a TEE of a d= evice by TAM providers.


    There is a gap today in addressing the trust establishment problem. The = proposal https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pei-opentrustprotocol-03 aimed to fill the gap in this.


    Thanks,


    Ming



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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, Nice to see the progress of OTrP in IETF, and I look forward to solving the urgent problems in TEE ecosystem. 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    Hello all,

     

    Nice to see the progress of OTrP in IETF, and I look forward to solving = the urgent problems in TEE ecosystem.

     

    B.R/Vicky

     

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boundary="_000_HE1PR0802MB24750570BCFAF46C715DF235FA500HE1PR0802MB2475_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: arm.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 22 Feb 2017 08:15:46.2085 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: f34e5979-57d9-4aaa-ad4d-b122a662184d X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HE1PR0802MB2475 Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 08:15:52 -0000 --_000_HE1PR0802MB24750570BCFAF46C715DF235FA500HE1PR0802MB2475_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Ned Smith (from Intel) privately asked me whether we had considered using a= CBOR encoding during the design of the protocol. I thought it was a good question and so I wanted to share my view about the= topic with others on the list. CBOR clearly has benefits compared to JSON. However, the main use cases foc= used on the smart phone/tablet environment and JSON is more widely used by = developers. I believe this was the reason for re-using JSON and the already= mature JOSE security work. When it comes to code availability COSE (the CB= OR security work) is far, far behind JOSE. Since the security components re= quire more implementation time I think it is fair to consider them as well. Ned suggested to separate the information model from the actual encoding to= later be able to switch to a different encoding easily. I like that idea a= nd I think we should do that. What do others think? Ciao Hannes IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confid= ential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, p= lease notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any= other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in = any medium. Thank you. --_000_HE1PR0802MB24750570BCFAF46C715DF235FA500HE1PR0802MB2475_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi all,

     

    Ned Smith (from Intel) privately asked me whether we= had considered using a CBOR encoding during the design of the protocol.

     

    I thought it was a good question and so I wanted to = share my view about the topic with others on the list.

     

    CBOR clearly has benefits compared to JSON. However,= the main use cases focused on the smart phone/tablet environment and JSON = is more widely used by developers. I believe this was the reason for re-usi= ng JSON and the already mature JOSE security work. When it comes to code availability COSE (the CBOR security = work) is far, far behind JOSE. Since the security components require more i= mplementation time I think it is fair to consider them as well.

     

    Ned suggested to separate the information model from= the actual encoding to later be able to switch to a different encoding eas= ily. I like that idea and I think we should do that.

     

    What do others think?

     

    Ciao

    Hannes

     

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The use case for TEEP is a bit different. The idea is to configure software running on a trusted execution environment. While the currently proposed solution assumes a PKI and the use of asymmetric key cryptography it does not use 802.1AR certificates. There is no notion of a local network since it does not matter. The document also does not talk about how the messages are conveyed but HTTP is more likely for the smart phone/tablet use cases. I created a slide deck for presentation at the T2TRG meeting at the Berlin IETF but unfortunately there was no time. Nevertheless, here is the slide deck: https://github.com/t2trg/2016-ietf96/blob/master/slides/70_OTrP-IETF93.pd= f Does this provide enough information about the intention? Ciao Hannes On 02/20/2017 03:58 PM, Eliot Lear wrote: > Hi Hannes, >=20 > First, Max, Michael, Michael, and Kent are far more the experts than I > am on this, but here is a brief summary: >=20 > The purpose of draft-ietf-anima-bootstrap-keyinfra is to provide a > trusted introduction between devices and the network such that you star= t > in the following state: >=20 > Device has a manufacturer certificate (802.1AR iDevID) and a > manufacturer trust root, and the local network can in some way > authenticate the manufacturer, and perhaps visa versa. The end state i= s > that the device has a local (802.1 LDevID) and a local trust anchor. T= o > accomplish this, a flow is defined to get to the point where the device= > will register with a local registrar using EST (either EST or EST/CoAP)= =2E >=20 > Now perhaps you could explain a little about the TEE draft you're doing= ? >=20 > If there's some overlap perhaps there's a chance to consolidate the wor= k. >=20 > Eliot >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 2/18/17 5:17 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: >> Hi Eliot, >> >> I actually don't know since I never understood the ANIMA work all that= >> well due to its fuzzy scope. I suspect that you can answer the questio= n >> better than I do. >> >> Ciao >> Hannes >> >> On 02/13/2017 02:29 PM, Eliot Lear wrote: >>> Hannes, >>> >>> Can you say a few words about how TEE compares to >>> draft-ietf-anima-bootstrap-keyinfra (et al) which has been in >>> development in a WG for quite some time? >>> >>> Eliot >>> >>> >>> On 2/13/17 12:51 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> we have proposed two security-relevant BOFs for the upcoming meeting= =2E >>>> They are listed on the BOF Wiki page at >>>> https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki but I still wanted to brie= fly >>>> introduce them to you >>>> >>>> ** =E2=80=9CFirmware Update Description (FUD)=E2=80=9D >>>> >>>> Last year we had a workshop organized by the IAB on firmware updates= for >>>> IoT devices (see https://www.iab.org/activities/workshops/iotsu/) wh= ere >>>> we talked about various challenges and gaps. >>>> >>>> As a follow-up to the workshop we would like to initiate some >>>> standardization activity in this area. >>>> >>>> The mailing list can be found at >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fud >>>> >>>> >>>> ** =E2=80=9CA Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Ena= blement (TEEP)=E2=80=9D >>>> >>>> This BOF is about an application layer security protocol that allows= to >>>> configure security credentials and software running on a Trusted >>>> Execution Environment (TEE). Today, TEEs are, for example, found hom= e >>>> routers, set-top boxes, smart phones, tablets, wearables, etc. >>>> Unfortunately, there have been mostly proprietary protocols used in = this >>>> environment. >>>> >>>> With this BOF we are making an attempt to standardize such a protoco= l. A >>>> strawman proposal of such a protocol has been published with >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pei-opentrustprotocol-03. >>>> >>>> The mailing list can be found at: >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teep >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ciao >>>> Hannes >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> saag mailing list >>>> saag@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag >=20 >=20 --tgoFtEm62oTxQPHXPleDH6mlVnnE5I9PD-- --hI3RQLufgaom59dRQ5OT2PbenT4FMi15U Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJYrUi4AAoJEGhJURNOOiAtom4H/2S+RAAW78CNJNbORhOKmLY0 R1pz5nrHwrLJ1xzJvXi3sZU+DWGQ9B0KJBVpc6aBVWDWc0aP0TBplVus1i2XBcVw ZONxoASry/nhPHnkmb3TvadPqC+ySHrPqY4LmApFVSaZXEFewg2876dqHU1FIDOF b0pHpbwb1MCoCpV1Pcn4439rRrHqonu5HSiXUAdSaNOFJLiRouP9fp8NpWrT7ds/ GYl/ObniosN1mDba/usPrulGqZ8kHIoVagLkxFSM9po/MbFkexOh7ZToznyaBWNs QyfkMMCXAKAJSzHq6pC2diTmQbpuawI6LLeJ5uOPtkLfNoVpyI83phJEXuZzg5g= =04Ms -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hI3RQLufgaom59dRQ5OT2PbenT4FMi15U-- From nobody Wed Feb 22 00:19:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761881293DF for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 00:19:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.988 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.988 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.887, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id crjS9LbR1HRy for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 00:19:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E79461294ED for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 00:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.91.176] ([195.149.223.239]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MPUFR-1ckasy1PJR-004h5y for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:19:45 +0100 To: teep@ietf.org From: Hannes Tschofenig Openpgp: id=071A97A9ECBADCA8E31E678554D9CEEF4D776BC9 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:19:43 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="blnKTx9WhfXWpNf4SIlnWUO9a7GoJ9F11" X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:3POFIwEhAAYQxMt4uLji6dnWtpMhaVeRuW5kyeXdFkwZ7WHJHid JEwznhMqRIIpzyv0qWu9VQA1nwzfiiifmvpZ7y9YlkVJMN+yrY8XoW8JpQOcGwpE5hLMv6z GM1V8c9YPHFXE5zu7308smKUU6+mZtg3hTjC2+KJqZXDt+bxhIetrhLqve28biiTK8gMiaG IuC08kHV8kFSpFAJ4EpQA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:pKPCYxtMR1E=:nueRZ/BEZTVYXO4UzIU1oI QhdehlDWIoeS+hKyPvRKrppM6i9ACTvFHEzLnpmh0w/lml+nMa3bJKl9r/X0NK2iwj6tuNbIg hg9RfnL3vAaRn/uAFs9Tx5zc34gVBvXKaopC/USkD7O1aQp+DSd/jPURzcZnh4VtHBayZuk7R cTp6Hb5azy6o7G1EHBgmRa7wc0SoT8hpRhpvv4srASQpSTPKoQ92cmpoN77JDCgP6ujeJOmn/ /25WjHAAWFbf1aFtaYUazgmysDcRf4mIgtThWgFKWz25bMVK8Kc2KgrzUo33+rAwx4oKYMjrZ nFBBqPufnzrQ6dkcBQ1uiZqnotjhIHGU0ki1z2mqLTrsYaha/mDo4VYTrZ/OF1Fwgj+FlZxZB tKgmIuVuYkjT1UVKhdAkhsLuTi+A0usccqOK6+/4wsKa0wk4rLRGda88UFr+YoCgqKNVwsXJp aFfG4w9Uy5zksvPbAKEwvp8G9K5efviY1+/10HNDaH4yXQkK0+uog0b8eUf4pL6oggLMkWCdC y3COrBuyrhgowgZQUNH3QZ/S6rOicGW0m279B+DOVUkde/2BZ06qoGOlQLfyIiB3scvTlBUlH MDry15r2dZEJlwDyPpkxiRJ7OAyy8EyD2LQQJ19tKnYe/YweK5d0Mwc1U/8qR2VKdJfjTUGZJ /PlBr845b1+ISNG2dKKZXZs8opUeSOrFbJJ3hCUzlU6OL0pD/uMssMWRT6TWzYfypRPlbvK0d CxJovJ/ZRUuwnprYwIhMQs8n7rq+D1KTsp7SnGQORtiLc7uoT81/MuXPscw= Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] BOF in Chicago X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 08:19:49 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --blnKTx9WhfXWpNf4SIlnWUO9a7GoJ9F11 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="r38rsR5tB802JK3GqcFWRAGUm2WC0GelE"; protected-headers="v1" From: Hannes Tschofenig To: teep@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: BOF in Chicago --r38rsR5tB802JK3GqcFWRAGUm2WC0GelE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I had gotten a few questions about when the TEEP BOF will happen during the IETF meeting in Chicago. The meeting schedule is still ongoing and a preliminary agenda is expected to be available this Friday (Feb. 24th). The final agenda is expected to be available March 3rd. There is also a deadline for submitting documents, namely March 13th. I will post the agenda to the list once it becomes available. 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22 Feb 2017 08:33:15 +0000 Received: from [10.61.198.238] ([10.61.198.238]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v1M8XFl2030938; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 08:33:15 GMT To: Hannes Tschofenig References: <16c236b7-dd80-1e27-8de9-16f05558d38e@gmx.net> <1da45f12-7999-6a9e-3649-2ffea4d50511@gmx.net> <6916bccf-9273-5d2f-af44-ef38d1394223@gmx.net> From: Eliot Lear Message-ID: <42690b82-8d20-a524-cf0a-ed665fa1610f@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:33:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6916bccf-9273-5d2f-af44-ef38d1394223@gmx.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6vLu85G6JLGLgaTmTlHiG6sfFAtMw1F2T" Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 00:38:45 -0800 Cc: teep@ietf.org, saag Subject: Re: [Teep] [saag] BOFs about IoT firmware update and TEE configuration X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 08:33:20 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --6vLu85G6JLGLgaTmTlHiG6sfFAtMw1F2T Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="HhouLaCg7Tboxi57CHrgT3gmavpvqSUvP"; protected-headers="v1" From: Eliot Lear To: Hannes Tschofenig Cc: saag , teep@ietf.org Message-ID: <42690b82-8d20-a524-cf0a-ed665fa1610f@cisco.com> Subject: Re: [saag] BOFs about IoT firmware update and TEE configuration References: <16c236b7-dd80-1e27-8de9-16f05558d38e@gmx.net> <1da45f12-7999-6a9e-3649-2ffea4d50511@gmx.net> <6916bccf-9273-5d2f-af44-ef38d1394223@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <6916bccf-9273-5d2f-af44-ef38d1394223@gmx.net> --HhouLaCg7Tboxi57CHrgT3gmavpvqSUvP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great start, thanks! Will contact you offline to further discuss. Eliot On 2/22/17 9:15 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: > Hi Eliot, > > > (I put the TEEP mailing list on CC since they may be interested in this= > conversation as well.) > > The use case for TEEP is a bit different. > > The idea is to configure software running on a trusted execution > environment. While the currently proposed solution assumes a PKI and th= e > use of asymmetric key cryptography it does not use 802.1AR certificates= =2E > There is no notion of a local network since it does not matter. The > document also does not talk about how the messages are conveyed but HTT= P > is more likely for the smart phone/tablet use cases. > > > I created a slide deck for presentation at the T2TRG meeting at the > Berlin IETF but unfortunately there was no time. Nevertheless, here is > the slide deck: > https://github.com/t2trg/2016-ietf96/blob/master/slides/70_OTrP-IETF93.= pdf > > Does this provide enough information about the intention? > > Ciao > Hannes > > On 02/20/2017 03:58 PM, Eliot Lear wrote: >> Hi Hannes, >> >> First, Max, Michael, Michael, and Kent are far more the experts than I= >> am on this, but here is a brief summary: >> >> The purpose of draft-ietf-anima-bootstrap-keyinfra is to provide a >> trusted introduction between devices and the network such that you sta= rt >> in the following state: >> >> Device has a manufacturer certificate (802.1AR iDevID) and a >> manufacturer trust root, and the local network can in some way >> authenticate the manufacturer, and perhaps visa versa. The end state = is >> that the device has a local (802.1 LDevID) and a local trust anchor. = To >> accomplish this, a flow is defined to get to the point where the devic= e >> will register with a local registrar using EST (either EST or EST/CoAP= ). >> >> Now perhaps you could explain a little about the TEE draft you're doin= g? >> >> If there's some overlap perhaps there's a chance to consolidate the wo= rk. >> >> Eliot >> >> >> >> On 2/18/17 5:17 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: >>> Hi Eliot, >>> >>> I actually don't know since I never understood the ANIMA work all tha= t >>> well due to its fuzzy scope. I suspect that you can answer the questi= on >>> better than I do. >>> >>> Ciao >>> Hannes >>> >>> On 02/13/2017 02:29 PM, Eliot Lear wrote: >>>> Hannes, >>>> >>>> Can you say a few words about how TEE compares to >>>> draft-ietf-anima-bootstrap-keyinfra (et al) which has been in >>>> development in a WG for quite some time? >>>> >>>> Eliot >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/13/17 12:51 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> we have proposed two security-relevant BOFs for the upcoming meetin= g. >>>>> They are listed on the BOF Wiki page at >>>>> https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki but I still wanted to bri= efly >>>>> introduce them to you >>>>> >>>>> ** =E2=80=9CFirmware Update Description (FUD)=E2=80=9D >>>>> >>>>> Last year we had a workshop organized by the IAB on firmware update= s for >>>>> IoT devices (see https://www.iab.org/activities/workshops/iotsu/) w= here >>>>> we talked about various challenges and gaps. >>>>> >>>>> As a follow-up to the workshop we would like to initiate some >>>>> standardization activity in this area. >>>>> >>>>> The mailing list can be found at >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fud >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ** =E2=80=9CA Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment En= ablement (TEEP)=E2=80=9D >>>>> >>>>> This BOF is about an application layer security protocol that allow= s to >>>>> configure security credentials and software running on a Trusted >>>>> Execution Environment (TEE). Today, TEEs are, for example, found ho= me >>>>> routers, set-top boxes, smart phones, tablets, wearables, etc. >>>>> Unfortunately, there have been mostly proprietary protocols used in= this >>>>> environment. >>>>> >>>>> With this BOF we are making an attempt to standardize such a protoc= ol. A >>>>> strawman proposal of such a protocol has been published with >>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pei-opentrustprotocol-03. >>>>> >>>>> The mailing list can be found at: >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teep >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ciao >>>>> Hannes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> saag mailing list >>>>> saag@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag >> --HhouLaCg7Tboxi57CHrgT3gmavpvqSUvP-- --6vLu85G6JLGLgaTmTlHiG6sfFAtMw1F2T Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJYrUzKAAoJEIe2a0bZ0nozIEgIAM/IZCtehAPetYs2lLHz/O2f V/Qv+6CuAxu0vbGVKOOiQ66yMDcc9Wln7Dkt7vJjMrVRZ7RWnsLkUGZ1JE7LHE02 G2e43Qa+WuCn6W7ffiYHlyvKgbW+W2BL2Db5V9eedfyex5tcoHx3jE95kpXWGkvt MJjsmOkc/gHuVJFvDT0hzuKOOrqIdIiG7D9QV/VsyfpbUVBpoZI3hfVXULOyXEFd 7A0dmhUEv545i8pyCihkErNRNLFRFpCWhS+yVkii36sJE8Yr79DxCr6EzUDVTd1C znembIxxYwwOMmVZZ3oSBJpaLXdDvV35Pk/ZMM+UVj85PpltwUFf78tQfl+mjg4= =//oj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6vLu85G6JLGLgaTmTlHiG6sfFAtMw1F2T-- From nobody Wed Feb 22 01:08:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA7F1293DF for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 01:08:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=alibaba-inc.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xm3oRQoiIsN2 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 01:08:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from out0-156.mail.aliyun.com (out0-156.mail.aliyun.com [140.205.0.156]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F76129692 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 01:07:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alibaba-inc.com; s=default; t=1487754473; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=kFNcKRfY1gvMsgjkJHustpy4WEKFcv+Fe2oVNcNMJj8=; b=eQkxsDkkj+JMQBI7a69l9dj1r4DvATZuj/O+yplcxNGjto1AU5xB9kHntLsGwARV9FWBNGkDFCUvomY8FINecKBj+4uWgV2zO+TAEyBbB+9YBL40nBZhM+cT8Z+V4hXaW8IJmN8iwiXr4SsqjnzaVu/nkyU2ATkU2pFHI2ZjDwA= X-Alimail-AntiSpam: AC=PASS; BC=-1|-1; BR=01201311R111e4; FP=0|-1|-1|-1|0|-1|-1|-1; HT=e02c03293; MF=qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com; NM=1; PH=DS; RN=2; SC=85; SR=0; TI=SMTPD_---.7gMgjS4_1487754469; Received: from ALI83443N(mailfrom:qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com ip:106.11.34.35) by smtp.aliyun-inc.com(127.0.0.1); Wed, 22 Feb 2017 17:07:50 +0800 From: "=?GBK?B?t73HvyjHv87lKQ==?=" To: "'Hannes Tschofenig'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 17:07:49 +0800 Message-ID: <004601d28ceb$247471e0$6d5d55a0$@alibaba-inc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01D28D2E.329ABF20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AQGbaIUwqGiIYPseR62/22Qo8yXtgqHjANhg Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogIE9wZW4gVHJ1c3QgUHJvdG9jb2wgJiBDQk9S?= =?gb2312?b?IGVuY29kaW5n?= X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:08:03 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01D28D2E.329ABF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Hannes and all, =20 I want to share some ideas about CBOR. =20 CBOR is very suitable for use in the scenario of IoT area , and because CBOR is based on the wildly successful JSON data model: numbers, = strings, arrays, maps (called objects in JSON), and a few values such as false, = true, and null, implement of the switch between the Json and Cbor should not = be particularly difficult. We have already started writing a draft in Cbor. =20 =20 =20 Regards, =20 Adam=20 -- Alibaba Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com =20 =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com] = =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 16:16 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: 'teep@ietf.org' =D6=F7=CC=E2: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding =20 Hi all,=20 =20 Ned Smith (from Intel) privately asked me whether we had considered = using a CBOR encoding during the design of the protocol.=20 =20 I thought it was a good question and so I wanted to share my view about = the topic with others on the list.=20 =20 CBOR clearly has benefits compared to JSON. However, the main use cases focused on the smart phone/tablet environment and JSON is more widely = used by developers. I believe this was the reason for re-using JSON and the already mature JOSE security work. When it comes to code availability = COSE (the CBOR security work) is far, far behind JOSE. Since the security components require more implementation time I think it is fair to = consider them as well.=20 =20 Ned suggested to separate the information model from the actual encoding = to later be able to switch to a different encoding easily. I like that idea = and I think we should do that.=20 =20 What do others think?=20 =20 Ciao Hannes =20 IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy = the information in any medium. Thank you.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01D28D2E.329ABF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi, Hannes and = all,

     

    I want to share some = ideas about CBOR.

     

    CBOR is very suitable for use in = the scenario of IoT area ,  and because  CBOR is based on the = wildly successful JSON data model: numbers, strings, arrays, maps = (called objects in JSON), and a few values such as false, true, and = null, implement of  the switch between the Json and Cbor should not = be particularly difficult. We have already started writing a draft in = Cbor.

    =  

     

     

    Regar= ds,

    =  

    Adam =

    --

    Aliba= ba

    Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com<= /span>

     

    =  

    =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com] =
    =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 = 16:16
    =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: 'teep@ietf.org' = <teep@ietf.org>
    =D6=F7=CC=E2: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol = & CBOR encoding

     

    Hi all,

     

    Ned Smith (from Intel) privately = asked me whether we had considered using a CBOR encoding during the = design of the protocol.

     

    I thought it was a good question and so I wanted to share = my view about the topic with others on the list. =

     

    CBOR clearly has benefits compared to JSON. However, the = main use cases focused on the smart phone/tablet environment and JSON is = more widely used by developers. I believe this was the reason for = re-using JSON and the already mature JOSE security work. When it comes = to code availability COSE (the CBOR security work) is far, far behind = JOSE. Since the security components require more implementation time I = think it is fair to consider them as well.

     

    Ned suggested to separate the = information model from the actual encoding to later be able to switch to = a different encoding easily. I like that idea and I think we should do = that.

     

    What do others think?

     

    Ciao

    Hannes

     

    IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents = of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be = privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the = sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, = use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. = Thank you.

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    Thanks for the quick r= esponse, Adam.

     

    Is it fair to assume t= hat you are going to submit the draft in time for this IETF draft submissio= n deadline?

     

    Can you say something = about the use case you had in mind in the IoT environment? I always tend to= make a differentiation between Cortex A class processor and M-class proces= sors. While there are IoT devices out there that use A class processors the majority are, however, using M-class= processors due to their lower price tag, and lower energy consumption.

     

    Ciao
    Hannes

     

    From: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) [mailto:qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com]
    Sent: 22 February 2017 10:08
    To: Hannes Tschofenig; teep@ietf.org
    Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding

     

    Hi, Hannes and all,

     

    I want to= share some ideas about CBOR.

    &nbs= p;

    CBOR is v= ery suitable for use in the scenario of IoT area ,  and because  = CBOR is based on the wildly successful JSON data model: numbers, strings, a= rrays, maps (called objects in JSON), and a few values such as false, true, and null, implement of  the switch betwee= n the Json and Cbor should not be particularly difficult. We have already s= tarted writing a draft in Cbor.

     

     

     

    Regards,

     

    Adam

    --

    Alibaba

    Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com

     

     

    =B7= =A2=BC=FE=C8=CB= : Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Han= nes.Tschofenig@arm.com]
    =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1= =BC=E4:<= /b> 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 16:16
    =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<= /span>: 'teep@ietf.org' <teep@ietf.org>=
    =D6=F7=CC=E2= : [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding

     

    Hi all,

     

    Ned Smith (from Intel) privately asked me whether we= had considered using a CBOR encoding during the design of the protocol.

     

    I thought it was a good question and so I wanted to = share my view about the topic with others on the list.

     

    CBOR clearly has benefits compared to JSON. However,= the main use cases focused on the smart phone/tablet environment and JSON = is more widely used by developers. I believe this was the reason for re-usi= ng JSON and the already mature JOSE security work. When it comes to code availability COSE (the CBOR security = work) is far, far behind JOSE. Since the security components require more i= mplementation time I think it is fair to consider them as well.

     

    Ned suggested to separate the information model from= the actual encoding to later be able to switch to a different encoding eas= ily. I like that idea and I think we should do that.

     

    What do others think?

     

    Ciao

    Hannes

     

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In these scenarios, = in order to be able to save resources, the use of binary programs is very necessary. =20 =20 Regards, =20 Adam=20 -- Alibaba Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com =20 =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com] = =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 17:16 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) = ; 'teep@ietf.org' =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding =20 Thanks for the quick response, Adam.=20 =20 Is it fair to assume that you are going to submit the draft in time for = this IETF draft submission deadline?=20 =20 Can you say something about the use case you had in mind in the IoT environment? I always tend to make a differentiation between Cortex A = class processor and M-class processors. While there are IoT devices out there = that use A class processors the majority are, however, using M-class = processors due to their lower price tag, and lower energy consumption.=20 =20 Ciao Hannes =20 From: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) [mailto:qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com]=20 Sent: 22 February 2017 10:08 To: Hannes Tschofenig; teep@ietf.org =20 Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding =20 Hi, Hannes and all, =20 I want to share some ideas about CBOR. =20 CBOR is very suitable for use in the scenario of IoT area , and because CBOR is based on the wildly successful JSON data model: numbers, = strings, arrays, maps (called objects in JSON), and a few values such as false, = true, and null, implement of the switch between the Json and Cbor should not = be particularly difficult. We have already started writing a draft in Cbor. =20 =20 =20 Regards, =20 Adam=20 -- Alibaba Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com =20 =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com] = =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 16:16 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: 'teep@ietf.org' > =D6=F7=CC=E2: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding =20 Hi all,=20 =20 Ned Smith (from Intel) privately asked me whether we had considered = using a CBOR encoding during the design of the protocol.=20 =20 I thought it was a good question and so I wanted to share my view about = the topic with others on the list.=20 =20 CBOR clearly has benefits compared to JSON. However, the main use cases focused on the smart phone/tablet environment and JSON is more widely = used by developers. I believe this was the reason for re-using JSON and the already mature JOSE security work. When it comes to code availability = COSE (the CBOR security work) is far, far behind JOSE. Since the security components require more implementation time I think it is fair to = consider them as well.=20 =20 Ned suggested to separate the information model from the actual encoding = to later be able to switch to a different encoding easily. I like that idea = and I think we should do that.=20 =20 What do others think?=20 =20 Ciao Hannes =20 IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy = the information in any medium. Thank you.=20 IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy = the information in any medium. Thank you.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01D28D33.3981EBB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi, = Hannes

    =  

    For = the first question, my answer is: yes, we are going to submit the draft = in time for this IETF draft submission deadline.

    =  

    For = the second question, I would like to share my view = below:

    =  

    Cortex A = is usually used in some of better scalability (such as with large = off-line storage) equipment, these devices include: mobile phones, = unmanned aerial vehicles.

    =  

    The = use of Cortex = M on = embedded devices is very extensive, and these devices have very limited = CPU and memory resources (total memory may only be 1M), these devices = include: Smart bracelet, industrial control devices on the car, and = other smart home devices without screens . In these scenarios, in order = to be able to save resources, the use of binary programs is very = necessary.

    =  

     

    Regar= ds,

    =  

    Adam =

    --

    Aliba= ba

    Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com<= /span>

     

    =  

    =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com] =
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    =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) = <qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com>; 'teep@ietf.org' = <teep@ietf.org>
    =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: [Teep] Open Trust = Protocol & CBOR encoding

     

    Thanks for = the quick response, Adam.

     

    Is it fair = to assume that you are going to submit the draft in time for this IETF = draft submission deadline?

     

    Can you say = something about the use case you had in mind in the IoT environment? I = always tend to make a differentiation between Cortex A class processor = and M-class processors. While there are IoT devices out there that use A = class processors the majority are, however, using M-class processors due = to their lower price tag, and lower energy consumption. =

     

    Ciao
    Hannes

     

    From: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) [mailto:qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.= com]
    Sent: 22 February 2017 10:08
    To: Hannes = Tschofenig; teep@ietf.org
    Subject: =     =B4=F0=B8=B4: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR = encoding

     

    Hi, Hannes and = all,

     

    I want to share some = ideas about CBOR.

     

    CBOR is very suitable for use in = the scenario of IoT area ,  and because  CBOR is based on the = wildly successful JSON data model: numbers, strings, arrays, maps = (called objects in JSON), and a few values such as false, true, and = null, implement of  the switch between the Json and Cbor should not = be particularly difficult. We have already started writing a draft in = Cbor.

    =  

     

     

    Regar= ds,

    =  

    Adam =

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    Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com<= /span>

     

    =  

    =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.co= m]
    =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 16:16
    =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: 'teep@ietf.org' <teep@ietf.org>
    =D6=F7=CC=E2: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR = encoding

     

    Hi all,

     

    Ned Smith (from Intel) privately asked me whether we had = considered using a CBOR encoding during the design of the protocol. =

     

    I thought it was a good question and so I wanted to share = my view about the topic with others on the list. =

     

    CBOR clearly has benefits compared to JSON. However, the = main use cases focused on the smart phone/tablet environment and JSON is = more widely used by developers. I believe this was the reason for = re-using JSON and the already mature JOSE security work. When it comes = to code availability COSE (the CBOR security work) is far, far behind = JOSE. Since the security components require more implementation time I = think it is fair to consider them as well.

     

    Ned suggested to separate the = information model from the actual encoding to later be able to switch to = a different encoding easily. I like that idea and I think we should do = that.

     

    What do others think?

     

    Ciao

    Hannes

     

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    Hi Adam,

     

    Thanks for your respon= se.

     

    I suspect you are focu= sing on the A class devices with CBOR encoding that are using bandwidth con= strained connectivity.

     

    Ciao=

    Hannes

     

    PS: For ARMv6-M/v7-M c= lass devices there is no TrustZone support. Hence, the open trust protocol = wouldn=A1=AFt be particularly useful there and better alternatives exist.

     

     

    From: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) [mailto:qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com]
    Sent: 22 February 2017 10:44
    To: Hannes Tschofenig; teep@ietf.org
    Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding

     

    Hi, Hannes

     

    For the first question, my answer is: = yes, we are going to submit the draft in time for this IETF draft submissio= n deadline.

     

    For the second question, I would like = to share my view below:

     

    Cortex A is usually used in some of better scalability (such as with large o= ff-line storage) equipment, these devices include: mobile phones, unmanned aerial vehicles.

     

    The use of Cortex M on embedded devices is very extensive, and these dev= ices have very limited CPU and memory resources (total memory may only be 1= M), these devices include: Smart bracelet, industrial control devices on the car, and other smart home devices withou= t screens . In these scenarios, in order to be able to save resources, the = use of binary programs is very necessary.

     

     

    Regards,

     

    Adam

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    Alibaba

    Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com

     

     

    =B7= =A2=BC=FE=C8=CB= : Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Han= nes.Tschofenig@arm.com]
    =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1= =BC=E4:<= /b> 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 17:16
    =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<= /span>: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) <qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.c= om>; 'teep@ietf.org' <teep@ietf.= org>
    =D6=F7=CC=E2= : RE: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding

     

    Thanks for the quick r= esponse, Adam.

     

    Is it fair to assume t= hat you are going to submit the draft in time for this IETF draft submissio= n deadline?

     

    Can you say something = about the use case you had in mind in the IoT environment? I always tend to= make a differentiation between Cortex A class processor and M-class proces= sors. While there are IoT devices out there that use A class processors the majority are, however, using M-class= processors due to their lower price tag, and lower energy consumption.

     

    Ciao
    Hannes

     

    From: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) [mailto:qiangwu.fq@alibaba-i= nc.com]
    Sent: 22 February 2017 10:08
    To: Hannes Tschofenig; teep@ietf.or= g
    Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding

     

    Hi, Hannes and all,

     

    I want to= share some ideas about CBOR.

    &nbs= p;

    CBOR is v= ery suitable for use in the scenario of IoT area ,  and because  = CBOR is based on the wildly successful JSON data model: numbers, strings, a= rrays, maps (called objects in JSON), and a few values such as false, true, and null, implement of  the switch betwee= n the Json and Cbor should not be particularly difficult. We have already s= tarted writing a draft in Cbor.

     

     

     

    Regards,

     

    Adam

    --

    Alibaba

    Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com

     

     

    =B7= =A2=BC=FE=C8=CB= : Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Han= nes.Tschofenig@arm.com]
    =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1= =BC=E4:<= /b> 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 16:16
    =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<= /span>: 'teep@ietf.org' <teep@ietf.org>=
    =D6=F7=CC=E2= : [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding

     

    Hi all,

     

    Ned Smith (from Intel) privately asked me whether we= had considered using a CBOR encoding during the design of the protocol.

     

    I thought it was a good question and so I wanted to = share my view about the topic with others on the list.

     

    CBOR clearly has benefits compared to JSON. However,= the main use cases focused on the smart phone/tablet environment and JSON = is more widely used by developers. I believe this was the reason for re-usi= ng JSON and the already mature JOSE security work. When it comes to code availability COSE (the CBOR security = work) is far, far behind JOSE. Since the security components require more i= mplementation time I think it is fair to consider them as well.

     

    Ned suggested to separate the information model from= the actual encoding to later be able to switch to a different encoding eas= ily. I like that idea and I think we should do that.

     

    What do others think?

     

    Ciao

    Hannes

     

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quoted-printable Hi, Hannes =20 Thanks for your response.=20 =20 My view is that the use of Cbor should depend on whether the device resources are limited. The resources mentioned here include storage resources and communication bandwidth and so on. =20 BTW, because ARM V8M class has begun to support TrustZone , whether will there be a new requirement for updating TA in binary in this area? . =20 =20 Regards, =20 Adam=20 -- Alibaba Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com =20 =20 =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com] = =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 17:51 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) = ; 'teep@ietf.org' =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding =20 Hi Adam,=20 =20 Thanks for your response.=20 =20 I suspect you are focusing on the A class devices with CBOR encoding = that are using bandwidth constrained connectivity.=20 =20 Ciao Hannes =20 PS: For ARMv6-M/v7-M class devices there is no TrustZone support. Hence, = the open trust protocol wouldn=A1=AFt be particularly useful there and = better alternatives exist.=20 =20 =20 From: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) [mailto:qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com]=20 Sent: 22 February 2017 10:44 To: Hannes Tschofenig; teep@ietf.org =20 Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding =20 Hi, Hannes =20 For the first question, my answer is: yes, we are going to submit the = draft in time for this IETF draft submission deadline. =20 For the second question, I would like to share my view below: =20 Cortex A is usually used in some of better scalability (such as with = large off-line storage) equipment, these devices include: mobile phones, = unmanned aerial vehicles. =20 The use of Cortex M on embedded devices is very extensive, and these = devices have very limited CPU and memory resources (total memory may only be = 1M), these devices include: Smart bracelet, industrial control devices on the car, and other smart home devices without screens . In these scenarios, = in order to be able to save resources, the use of binary programs is very necessary. =20 =20 Regards, =20 Adam=20 -- Alibaba Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com =20 =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com] = =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 17:16 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) = >; 'teep@ietf.org' > =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding =20 Thanks for the quick response, Adam.=20 =20 Is it fair to assume that you are going to submit the draft in time for = this IETF draft submission deadline?=20 =20 Can you say something about the use case you had in mind in the IoT environment? I always tend to make a differentiation between Cortex A = class processor and M-class processors. While there are IoT devices out there = that use A class processors the majority are, however, using M-class = processors due to their lower price tag, and lower energy consumption.=20 =20 Ciao Hannes =20 From: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) [mailto:qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com]=20 Sent: 22 February 2017 10:08 To: Hannes Tschofenig; teep@ietf.org =20 Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding =20 Hi, Hannes and all, =20 I want to share some ideas about CBOR. =20 CBOR is very suitable for use in the scenario of IoT area , and because CBOR is based on the wildly successful JSON data model: numbers, = strings, arrays, maps (called objects in JSON), and a few values such as false, = true, and null, implement of the switch between the Json and Cbor should not = be particularly difficult. We have already started writing a draft in Cbor. =20 =20 =20 Regards, =20 Adam=20 -- Alibaba Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com =20 =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com] = =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 16:16 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: 'teep@ietf.org' > =D6=F7=CC=E2: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding =20 Hi all,=20 =20 Ned Smith (from Intel) privately asked me whether we had considered = using a CBOR encoding during the design of the protocol.=20 =20 I thought it was a good question and so I wanted to share my view about = the topic with others on the list.=20 =20 CBOR clearly has benefits compared to JSON. However, the main use cases focused on the smart phone/tablet environment and JSON is more widely = used by developers. I believe this was the reason for re-using JSON and the already mature JOSE security work. When it comes to code availability = COSE (the CBOR security work) is far, far behind JOSE. Since the security components require more implementation time I think it is fair to = consider them as well.=20 =20 Ned suggested to separate the information model from the actual encoding = to later be able to switch to a different encoding easily. I like that idea = and I think we should do that.=20 =20 What do others think?=20 =20 Ciao Hannes =20 IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy = the information in any medium. Thank you.=20 IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy = the information in any medium. Thank you.=20 IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy = the information in any medium. Thank you.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01D28D3B.A84B74F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi, = Hannes

    =  

    Thanks for your response. =

    =  

    My = view is that the use of Cbor should depend on whether the device = resources are limited. The resources mentioned here include storage = resources and communication bandwidth and so on.

    =  

    BTW, = because ARM V8M class has begun to support TrustZone , whether will = there be a new requirement for updating TA in binary in this area? = .

    =  

     

    Regar= ds,

    =  

    Adam =

    --

    Aliba= ba

    Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com<= /span>

     

    =  

    =  

    =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com] =
    =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 = 17:51
    =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) = <qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com>; 'teep@ietf.org' = <teep@ietf.org>
    =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: [Teep] Open Trust = Protocol & CBOR encoding

     

    Hi Adam, =

     

    Thanks for = your response.

     

    I suspect = you are focusing on the A class devices with CBOR encoding that are = using bandwidth constrained connectivity.

     

    Ciao

    Hannes

     

    PS: For = ARMv6-M/v7-M class devices there is no TrustZone support. Hence, the = open trust protocol wouldn=A1=AFt be particularly useful there and = better alternatives exist.

     

     

    From: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) [mailto:qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.= com]
    Sent: 22 February 2017 10:44
    To: Hannes = Tschofenig; teep@ietf.org
    Subject: =     =B4=F0=B8=B4: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR = encoding

     

    Hi, = Hannes

    =  

    For = the first question, my answer is: yes, we are going to submit the draft = in time for this IETF draft submission deadline.

    =  

    For = the second question, I would like to share my view = below:

    =  

    Cortex A = is usually used in some of better scalability (such as with large = off-line storage) equipment, these devices include: mobile phones, = unmanned aerial vehicles.

    =  

    The = use of Cortex = M on = embedded devices is very extensive, and these devices have very limited = CPU and memory resources (total memory may only be 1M), these devices = include: Smart bracelet, industrial control devices on the car, and = other smart home devices without screens . In these scenarios, in order = to be able to save resources, the use of binary programs is very = necessary.

    =  

     

    Regar= ds,

    =  

    Adam =

    --

    Aliba= ba

    Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com<= /span>

     

    =  

    =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.co= m]
    =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 17:16
    =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) <qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com= >; 'teep@ietf.org' <teep@ietf.org>
    =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR = encoding

     

    Thanks for the quick response, = Adam.

     

    Is it fair = to assume that you are going to submit the draft in time for this IETF = draft submission deadline?

     

    Can you say = something about the use case you had in mind in the IoT environment? I = always tend to make a differentiation between Cortex A class processor = and M-class processors. While there are IoT devices out there that use A = class processors the majority are, however, using M-class processors due = to their lower price tag, and lower energy consumption. =

     

    Ciao
    Hannes

     

    From: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) [mailto:qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.= com]
    Sent: 22 February 2017 10:08
    To: Hannes = Tschofenig; teep@ietf.org
    Subject: =     =B4=F0=B8=B4: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR = encoding

     

    Hi, Hannes and = all,

     

    I want to share some = ideas about CBOR.

     

    CBOR is very suitable for use in = the scenario of IoT area ,  and because  CBOR is based on the = wildly successful JSON data model: numbers, strings, arrays, maps = (called objects in JSON), and a few values such as false, true, and = null, implement of  the switch between the Json and Cbor should not = be particularly difficult. We have already started writing a draft in = Cbor.

    =  

     

     

    Regar= ds,

    =  

    Adam =

    --

    Aliba= ba

    Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com<= /span>

     

    =  

    =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.co= m]
    =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 16:16
    =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: 'teep@ietf.org' <teep@ietf.org>
    =D6=F7=CC=E2: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR = encoding

     

    Hi all,

     

    Ned Smith (from Intel) privately asked me whether we had = considered using a CBOR encoding during the design of the protocol. =

     

    I thought it was a good question and so I wanted to share = my view about the topic with others on the list. =

     

    CBOR clearly has benefits compared to JSON. However, the = main use cases focused on the smart phone/tablet environment and JSON is = more widely used by developers. I believe this was the reason for = re-using JSON and the already mature JOSE security work. When it comes = to code availability COSE (the CBOR security work) is far, far behind = JOSE. Since the security components require more implementation time I = think it is fair to consider them as well.

     

    Ned suggested to separate the = information model from the actual encoding to later be able to switch to = a different encoding easily. I like that idea and I think we should do = that.

     

    What do others think?

     

    Ciao

    Hannes

     

    IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents = of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be = privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the = sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, = use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. = Thank you.

    IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments = are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended = recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the = contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy = the information in any medium. Thank you.

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    Hi Adam,

     

    For devices that are c= onnected using WiFi or 3G, like mobile phones and tablets, I don=A1=AFt see= a reason of using CBOR/COSE. The developer convenience provided by JSON/JO= SE is a much bigger advantage there. If you are, however, thinking about using some of the low power radio technologie= s then the story is indeed different.

     

    Regarding TrustZone fo= r v8-M I believe the story is different to TrustZone for A-class devices. I= personally believe that solutions, like LwM2M, are more suitable for use w= ith v8-M devices. Here are my reasons:

    =A1=A4       These devices = are not expected to run two operating systems, like A-class TrustZone devic= es would do. In a smart phone you would have, for example, Android running = in the normal world and some RTOS running in the secure world. Android has its own concept of software updat= es and security concept and in the secure world the Open Trust Protocol (or= proprietary protocols today) would fulfil the same purpose. There is no re= ason for a device supporting TrustZone for v8-M to run two separate credential and software update mechanisms. If= there is only one then the design can be much simpler, like LwM2M since yo= u do not necessarily need some special application layer protocol.

    =A1=A4       The software f= or these devices is typically put together by a single company. There are n= o =A1=B0apps=A1=B1 downloaded and installed from different sources. The cod= e that runs in the secure world is small and the programmer model is just very different than in A-class devices. As su= ch, there is also no concept of security domains. Needless to say that you = then also need to manage those security domains using a protocol like the O= pen Trust Protocol either.

     

    Of course, this is jus= t my expectation since at this point TrustZone for v8-M only runs in a simu= lator (for example in the Keil MDK IDE) or on a FPGA. So, there is just not= enough experience with it.

     

    Ciao
    Hannes

     

    From: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) [mailto:qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com]
    Sent: 22 February 2017 11:44
    To: Hannes Tschofenig; teep@ietf.org
    Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding

     

    Hi, Hannes

     

    Thanks for your respon= se.

     

    My view is that the use of Cbor should= depend on whether the device resources are limited. The resources mentione= d here include storage resources and communication bandwidth and so on.

     

    BTW, because ARM V8M class has begun t= o support TrustZone , whether will there be a new requirement for updating = TA in binary in this area? .

     

     

    Regards,

     

    Adam

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    Alibaba

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    =B7= =A2=BC=FE=C8=CB= : Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Han= nes.Tschofenig@arm.com]
    =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1= =BC=E4:<= /b> 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 17:51
    =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<= /span>: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) <qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.c= om>; 'teep@ietf.org' <teep@ietf.= org>
    =D6=F7=CC=E2= : RE: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding

     

    Hi Adam,

     

    Thanks for your respon= se.

     

    I suspect you are focu= sing on the A class devices with CBOR encoding that are using bandwidth con= strained connectivity.

     

    Ciao=

    Hannes

     

    PS: For ARMv6-M/v7-M c= lass devices there is no TrustZone support. Hence, the open trust protocol = wouldn=A1=AFt be particularly useful there and better alternatives exist.

     

     

    From: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) [mailto:qiangwu.fq@alibaba-i= nc.com]
    Sent: 22 February 2017 10:44
    To: Hannes Tschofenig; teep@ietf.or= g
    Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding

     

    Hi, Hannes

     

    For the first question, my answer is: = yes, we are going to submit the draft in time for this IETF draft submissio= n deadline.

     

    For the second question, I would like = to share my view below:

     

    Cortex A is usually used in some of better scalability (such as with large o= ff-line storage) equipment, these devices include: mobile phones, unmanned aerial vehicles.

     

    The use of Cortex M on embedded devices is very extensive, and these dev= ices have very limited CPU and memory resources (total memory may only be 1= M), these devices include: Smart bracelet, industrial control devices on the car, and other smart home devices withou= t screens . In these scenarios, in order to be able to save resources, the = use of binary programs is very necessary.

     

     

    Regards,

     

    Adam

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    Alibaba

    Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com

     

     

    =B7= =A2=BC=FE=C8=CB= : Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Han= nes.Tschofenig@arm.com]
    =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1= =BC=E4:<= /b> 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 17:16
    =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<= /span>: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) <qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.c= om>; 'teep@ietf.org' <teep@ietf.= org>
    =D6=F7=CC=E2= : RE: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding

     

    Thanks for the quick r= esponse, Adam.

     

    Is it fair to assume t= hat you are going to submit the draft in time for this IETF draft submissio= n deadline?

     

    Can you say something = about the use case you had in mind in the IoT environment? I always tend to= make a differentiation between Cortex A class processor and M-class proces= sors. While there are IoT devices out there that use A class processors the majority are, however, using M-class= processors due to their lower price tag, and lower energy consumption.

     

    Ciao
    Hannes

     

    From: =B7=BD=C7=BF(=C7=BF=CE=E5) [mailto:qiangwu.fq@alibaba-i= nc.com]
    Sent: 22 February 2017 10:08
    To: Hannes Tschofenig; teep@ietf.or= g
    Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding

     

    Hi, Hannes and all,

     

    I want to= share some ideas about CBOR.

    &nbs= p;

    CBOR is v= ery suitable for use in the scenario of IoT area ,  and because  = CBOR is based on the wildly successful JSON data model: numbers, strings, a= rrays, maps (called objects in JSON), and a few values such as false, true, and null, implement of  the switch betwee= n the Json and Cbor should not be particularly difficult. We have already s= tarted writing a draft in Cbor.

     

     

     

    Regards,

     

    Adam

    --

    Alibaba

    Qiangwu.fq@alibaba-inc.com

     

     

    =B7= =A2=BC=FE=C8=CB= : Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Han= nes.Tschofenig@arm.com]
    =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1= =BC=E4:<= /b> 2017=C4=EA2=D4=C222=C8=D5 16:16
    =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<= /span>: 'teep@ietf.org' <teep@ietf.org>=
    =D6=F7=CC=E2= : [Teep] Open Trust Protocol & CBOR encoding

     

    Hi all,

     

    Ned Smith (from Intel) privately asked me whether we= had considered using a CBOR encoding during the design of the protocol.

     

    I thought it was a good question and so I wanted to = share my view about the topic with others on the list.

     

    CBOR clearly has benefits compared to JSON. However,= the main use cases focused on the smart phone/tablet environment and JSON = is more widely used by developers. I believe this was the reason for re-usi= ng JSON and the already mature JOSE security work. When it comes to code availability COSE (the CBOR security = work) is far, far behind JOSE. Since the security components require more i= mplementation time I think it is fair to consider them as well.

     

    Ned suggested to separate the information model from= the actual encoding to later be able to switch to a different encoding eas= ily. I like that idea and I think we should do that.

     

    What do others think?

     

    Ciao

    Hannes

     

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, I received an inquiry from Xishun from Beanpod Technology whether we can su= pport a batch mode case. The use case is that some OEM may want to provisio= n TA into many devices they know with the same device key (for privacy and = batch validation purpose). A TAM may issue one OTrP message to create SD an= d install the TA and send to many devices without requiring each device to = submit their own device attestation. The batch support will reduce the load= on the service side (TAM). This looks to be an interesting case to me. We have baseline case for mutua= l trust establishment of one device at a time to a TAM, and use device info= rmation to ensure idempotency if multiple messages are delivered to the sam= e device out of order from a TAM. How do you think about the support of this? Thanks, Ming --_000_D4D4D78E2D04Amingliangpeisymanteccom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi All,

    I received an inquiry from Xishun from Beanpod Technology whether we c= an support a batch mode case. The use case is that some OEM may want to pro= vision TA into many devices they know with the same device key (for privacy= and batch validation purpose). A TAM may issue one OTrP message to create SD and install the TA and send = to many devices without requiring each device to submit their own device at= testation. The batch support will reduce the load on the service side (TAM)= .

    This looks to be an interesting case to me. We have baseline case for = mutual trust establishment of one device at a time to a TAM, and use device= information to ensure idempotency if multiple messages are delivered to th= e same device out of order from a TAM.

    How do you think about the support of this?

    Thanks,

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boundary="_000_HE1PR0802MB24759373D282975177918E62FA560HE1PR0802MB2475_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: arm.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 28 Feb 2017 14:50:01.7456 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: f34e5979-57d9-4aaa-ad4d-b122a662184d X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HE1PR0802MB2473 Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] Re-sending TEEP BOF Discussion Conference Call Info X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 14:50:07 -0000 --_000_HE1PR0802MB24759373D282975177918E62FA560HE1PR0802MB2475_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I was told that the meeting invite I distributed earlier was a bit garbled.= Here is another try. There are three conference calls: Call #1: March 1st, 10pm PST =3D 7am CET =3D 2pm CST Call #2: March 8th, 10pm PST =3D 7am CET =3D 2pm CST Call #3: March 15th, 10pm PST =3D 7am CET =3D 2pm CST Webex Link: https://arm-onsite.webex.com/arm-onsite/j.php?MTID=3Dm432c69738718f2f188014= 216d835ee8f Meeting number (access code): 806 493 499 Meeting password: ApKdnEfa You may want to use VoIP but there is also the option to dial in via phone.= The dial-in numbers are: +1-408-792-6300 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) +1-877-668-4490 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada) Additional dial-in numbers: https://arm-onsite.webex.com/arm-onsite/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&E= D=3D544010197&tollFree=3D1 Ciao Hannes IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confid= ential and may also be privileged. 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    Hi all,

     

    I was told that the meeting invite I distributed ear= lier was a bit garbled. Here is another try.

     

    There are three conference calls:

     

    Call #1: March 1st, 10pm PST =3D 7am CET =3D 2pm CST=

    Call #2: March 8th, 10pm PST =3D 7am CET =3D 2pm CST=

    Call #3: March 15th, 10pm PST =3D 7am CET =3D 2pm CS= T

     

    Webex Link:

    https://arm-onsite.webex.com/arm-onsite/j.php?MTID= =3Dm432c69738718f2f188014216d835ee8f

     

    Meeting number (access code): 806 493 499

    Meeting password: ApKdnEfa 

     

    You may want to use VoIP but there is also the optio= n to dial in via phone. The dial-in numbers are: 

    +1-408-792-6300 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)&= nbsp;

    +1-877-668-4490 Call-in toll-free number (US/Can= ada) 

     

    Additional dial-in numbers:

    https://arm-onsite.webex.com/arm-onsite/globalcallin= .php?serviceType=3DMC&ED=3D544010197&tollFree=3D1

     

    Ciao

    Hannes

     

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That's rough timing for me. =20 Kathleen=20 Please excuse typos, sent from handheld device=20 > On Feb 28, 2017, at 9:50 AM, Hannes Tschofenig = wrote: >=20 > Hi all, > =20 > I was told that the meeting invite I distributed earlier was a bit garbled= . Here is another try. > =20 > There are three conference calls: > =20 > Call #1: March 1st, 10pm PST =3D 7am CET =3D 2pm CST > Call #2: March 8th, 10pm PST =3D 7am CET =3D 2pm CST > Call #3: March 15th, 10pm PST =3D 7am CET =3D 2pm CST > =20 > Webex Link: > https://arm-onsite.webex.com/arm-onsite/j.php?MTID=3Dm432c69738718f2f18801= 4216d835ee8f > =20 > Meeting number (access code): 806 493 499 > Meeting password: ApKdnEfa=20 > =20 > You may want to use VoIP but there is also the option to dial in via phone= . The dial-in numbers are:=20 > +1-408-792-6300 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)=20 > +1-877-668-4490 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada)=20 > =20 > Additional dial-in numbers: > https://arm-onsite.webex.com/arm-onsite/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&= ED=3D544010197&tollFree=3D1 > =20 > Ciao > Hannes > =20 > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confi= dential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, p= lease notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any o= ther person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any= medium. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > TEEP mailing list > TEEP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teep --Apple-Mail-43C67E23-511F-4EF1-8EFC-10FD7E80C9D6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    Hi Hannes,

    2PM CST doesn't makes sense as that's 1AM EST, it should say 12PM CST, correct?

    That's rough timing for me.  

    Kathleen 

    Please excuse typos, sent from handheld device 

    On Feb 28, 2017, at 9:50 AM, Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com> wrote:

    Hi all,

     

    I was told that the meeting invite I distributed earlier was a bit garbled. Here is another try.

     

    There are three conference calls:

     

    Call #1: March 1st, 10pm PST = 7am CET = 2pm CST

    Call #2: March 8th, 10pm PST = 7am CET = 2pm CST

    Call #3: March 15th, 10pm PST = 7am CET = 2pm CST

     

    Webex Link:

    https://arm-onsite.webex.com/arm-onsite/j.php?MTID=m432c69738718f2f188014216d835ee8f

     

    Meeting number (access code): 806 493 499

    Meeting password: ApKdnEfa 

     

    You may want to use VoIP but there is also the option to dial in via phone. The dial-in numbers are: 

    +1-408-792-6300 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) 

    +1-877-668-4490 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada) 

     

    Additional dial-in numbers:

    https://arm-onsite.webex.com/arm-onsite/globalcallin.php?serviceType=MC&ED=544010197&tollFree=1

     

    Ciao

    Hannes

     

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: arm.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 28 Feb 2017 15:35:08.3954 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: f34e5979-57d9-4aaa-ad4d-b122a662184d X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HE1PR0802MB2475 Archived-At: Cc: "teep@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Teep] Re-sending TEEP BOF Discussion Conference Call Info X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 15:35:13 -0000 That's correct, Michael. CST is China Standard Time. Maybe I shouldn't have= used abbreviations. Ciao Hannes -----Original Message----- From: Michael Richardson [mailto:mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca] Sent: 28 February 2017 16:29 To: Hannes Tschofenig Cc: teep@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teep] Re-sending TEEP BOF Discussion Conference Call Info Hannes Tschofenig wrote: > I was told that the meeting invite I distributed earlier was a bit > garbled. Here is another try. > There are three conference calls: > Call #1: March 1st, 10pm PST =3D 7am CET =3D 2pm CST > Call #2: March 8th, 10pm PST =3D 7am CET =3D 2pm CST > Call #3: March 15th, 10pm PST =3D 7am CET =3D 2pm CST But, those 10pm PST are the day before, I think. (i.e. TONIGHT. CST is I think China standard Time here, not Central) -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D = IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confid= ential and may also be privileged. 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[209.6.124.204]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j14sm1277668qtj.32.2017.02.28.08.18.41 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Feb 2017 08:18:41 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14D27) In-Reply-To: <13178.1488295722@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 11:18:40 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <23A1ACA2-9B2B-452E-895F-353A42692ECC@gmail.com> References: <13178.1488295722@obiwan.sandelman.ca> To: Michael Richardson Archived-At: Cc: Hannes Tschofenig , "teep@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Teep] Re-sending TEEP BOF Discussion Conference Call Info X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 16:18:44 -0000 Please excuse typos, sent from handheld device=20 > On Feb 28, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Michael Richardson w= rote: >=20 >=20 > Hannes Tschofenig wrote: >> I was told that the meeting invite I distributed earlier was a bit >> garbled. Here is another try. >=20 >> There are three conference calls: >=20 >> Call #1: March 1st, 10pm PST =3D 7am CET =3D 2pm CST >> Call #2: March 8th, 10pm PST =3D 7am CET =3D 2pm CST >> Call #3: March 15th, 10pm PST =3D 7am CET =3D 2pm CST >=20 > But, those 10pm PST are the day before, I think. > (i.e. TONIGHT. CST is I think China standard Time here, not Central) That makes more sense. I assumed incorrectly the acronyms wouldn't overlap.= Thank you, Kathleen=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TEEP mailing list > TEEP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teep