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kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com wrote:
    > 2PM CST doesn't makes sense as that's 1AM EST, it should say 12PM CST,
    > correct?

CST == China Standard Time, not Central.
Maybe next time link to timeanddate.com or some such and/or attach an ics
file.

I set my alarm since I couldn't stay awake that late, but I rolled over and
turned it off.

Hoping for some minutes, but I also haven't finished reading the drafts yet.

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Hi Michael,

We had a high-level conversation about what we need to prepare for the meet=
ing.

* CBOR: We briefly spoke about the draft submission of the CBOR-based encod=
ing of messages. Alibaba clarified that they will submit a draft in time fo=
r the deadline and are looking for other contributors.

* Use cases: We used a bit more time to speak about the various use cases t=
hat are implicitly covered in the document and Ming promised to post the us=
e cases he has in mind to the mailing list.
A draft may be submitted to describe the use cases. We also spoke about the=
 batch use case, see https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/teep/current/msg=
00020.html. We weren't quite sure whether this implies that the TAM has to =
generate a number of identical requests. We should also identify use cases =
that are not covered by the specification, such as the use of multiple TEEs=
 in a single device.

* Remote Participation: Nick mentioned that he will not be able to attend t=
he IETF meeting due to family reasons and I promised to post a message to t=
he list about remote participation possibilities.

* Pete Resnick suggested to distribute some introductory material about TEE=
s and TrustZone to the mailing list to provide participants with enough bac=
kground for the meeting. Hannes will ask company-internally for some useful=
 material.

* Ming promised to work on an architecture and stakeholder diagram, which c=
an be shown during the meeting since the previously distributed slide deck =
does not do a great job in illustrating those two aspects.

Ciao
Hannes

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kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com wrote:
    > 2PM CST doesn't makes sense as that's 1AM EST, it should say 12PM CST=
,
    > correct?

CST =3D=3D China Standard Time, not Central.
Maybe next time link to timeanddate.com or some such and/or attach an ics f=
ile.

I set my alarm since I couldn't stay awake that late, but I rolled over and=
 turned it off.

Hoping for some minutes, but I also haven't finished reading the drafts yet=
.

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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 10:21:26 -0500
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Hannes,

Thanks for the notes.  I'd like to see some rotation in the times for
the calls to make it a bit more fair for the global participants and
so that as AD, I can join the calls.  The chairs have just agreed to
assist and I'll send that out separately.  One is on Pacific time (US)
and the other is on eastern European time, I believe.

I don't think there was a poll on list for the call times.

Thanks,
Kathleen

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Hannes Tschofenig
<Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com> wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> We had a high-level conversation about what we need to prepare for the me=
eting.
>
> * CBOR: We briefly spoke about the draft submission of the CBOR-based enc=
oding of messages. Alibaba clarified that they will submit a draft in time =
for the deadline and are looking for other contributors.
>
> * Use cases: We used a bit more time to speak about the various use cases=
 that are implicitly covered in the document and Ming promised to post the =
use cases he has in mind to the mailing list.
> A draft may be submitted to describe the use cases. We also spoke about t=
he batch use case, see https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/teep/current/m=
sg00020.html. We weren't quite sure whether this implies that the TAM has t=
o generate a number of identical requests. We should also identify use case=
s that are not covered by the specification, such as the use of multiple TE=
Es in a single device.
>
> * Remote Participation: Nick mentioned that he will not be able to attend=
 the IETF meeting due to family reasons and I promised to post a message to=
 the list about remote participation possibilities.
>
> * Pete Resnick suggested to distribute some introductory material about T=
EEs and TrustZone to the mailing list to provide participants with enough b=
ackground for the meeting. Hannes will ask company-internally for some usef=
ul material.
>
> * Ming promised to work on an architecture and stakeholder diagram, which=
 can be shown during the meeting since the previously distributed slide dec=
k does not do a great job in illustrating those two aspects.
>
> Ciao
> Hannes
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Richardson [mailto:mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca]
> Sent: 01 March 2017 15:49
> To: kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com; teep@ietf.org
> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig
> Subject: Re: [Teep] Re-sending TEEP BOF Discussion Conference Call Info
>
>
> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com wrote:
>     > 2PM CST doesn't makes sense as that's 1AM EST, it should say 12PM C=
ST,
>     > correct?
>
> CST =3D=3D China Standard Time, not Central.
> Maybe next time link to timeanddate.com or some such and/or attach an ics=
 file.
>
> I set my alarm since I couldn't stay awake that late, but I rolled over a=
nd turned it off.
>
> Hoping for some minutes, but I also haven't finished reading the drafts y=
et.
>
> --
> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works  -=
=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D-
>
>
>
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Hello,

Nancy and Tero have agreed to chair the TEEP BoF.  They will work with
the proponents and interested participants to prepare for a successful
BoF.

A big thanks to both Nancy and Tero!
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Best regards,
Kathleen


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Hello all,

in general, I would recommend to skim/take into account the 
corresponding solution specification of Global Platform, which is in 
public review process up until exactly today :)

GP TEE Management Framework (published December 2016)
> http://www.globalplatform.org/specifications/review/GPD_TEE_MgmtFramework_AsymmetricCryptoSecurityLayer_v0.0.0.24_PublicReview.pdf

Viele Grüße,

Henk


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> * Pete Resnick suggested to distribute some introductory material about TEEs and TrustZone to the mailing list to provide participants with enough background for the meeting. Hannes will ask company-internally for some useful material.


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Complementing my last mail, the complete set of TEE specifications might 
be of interest, although there is the requirement to register in order 
to acquire access to a set of free documents....

> https://www.globalplatform.org/specificationsdevice.asp


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> in general


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On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Hannes Tschofenig
<Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com> wrote:
> Yes, those are the problems with international standardization when parti=
cipants come from Asia, Europe and the US. There is essentially no ideal ti=
me anymore.

Yes, so let's rotate the times to make it a bit better for all.

Thank you,
Kathleen

>
> Ciao
> Hannes
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kathleen Moriarty [mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com]
> Sent: 03 March 2017 16:21
> To: Hannes Tschofenig
> Cc: Michael Richardson; teep@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Teep] Conference Call Notes ... was RE: Re-sending TEEP BOF=
 Discussion Conference Call Info
>
> Hannes,
>
> Thanks for the notes.  I'd like to see some rotation in the times for the=
 calls to make it a bit more fair for the global participants and so that a=
s AD, I can join the calls.  The chairs have just agreed to assist and I'll=
 send that out separately.  One is on Pacific time (US) and the other is on=
 eastern European time, I believe.
>
> I don't think there was a poll on list for the call times.
>
> Thanks,
> Kathleen
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm=
.com> wrote:
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> We had a high-level conversation about what we need to prepare for the m=
eeting.
>>
>> * CBOR: We briefly spoke about the draft submission of the CBOR-based en=
coding of messages. Alibaba clarified that they will submit a draft in time=
 for the deadline and are looking for other contributors.
>>
>> * Use cases: We used a bit more time to speak about the various use case=
s that are implicitly covered in the document and Ming promised to post the=
 use cases he has in mind to the mailing list.
>> A draft may be submitted to describe the use cases. We also spoke about =
the batch use case, see https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/teep/current/=
msg00020.html. We weren't quite sure whether this implies that the TAM has =
to generate a number of identical requests. We should also identify use cas=
es that are not covered by the specification, such as the use of multiple T=
EEs in a single device.
>>
>> * Remote Participation: Nick mentioned that he will not be able to atten=
d the IETF meeting due to family reasons and I promised to post a message t=
o the list about remote participation possibilities.
>>
>> * Pete Resnick suggested to distribute some introductory material about =
TEEs and TrustZone to the mailing list to provide participants with enough =
background for the meeting. Hannes will ask company-internally for some use=
ful material.
>>
>> * Ming promised to work on an architecture and stakeholder diagram, whic=
h can be shown during the meeting since the previously distributed slide de=
ck does not do a great job in illustrating those two aspects.
>>
>> Ciao
>> Hannes
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Richardson [mailto:mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca]
>> Sent: 01 March 2017 15:49
>> To: kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com; teep@ietf.org
>> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig
>> Subject: Re: [Teep] Re-sending TEEP BOF Discussion Conference Call
>> Info
>>
>>
>> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com wrote:
>>     > 2PM CST doesn't makes sense as that's 1AM EST, it should say 12PM =
CST,
>>     > correct?
>>
>> CST =3D=3D China Standard Time, not Central.
>> Maybe next time link to timeanddate.com or some such and/or attach an ic=
s file.
>>
>> I set my alarm since I couldn't stay awake that late, but I rolled over =
and turned it off.
>>
>> Hoping for some minutes, but I also haven't finished reading the drafts =
yet.
>>
>> --
>> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
>> -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D-
>>
>>
>>
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Hi all,

In my other mail I promised to provide some information about TEEs. The Wik=
ipedia page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_execution_environment =
provides a good high level overview.

TrustZone is one implementation of TEEs and offers more details. See, examp=
le, our overview page on that topic that covers TrustZone for A-class and f=
or V8-M processors (which have been discussed on the list already).

If even you even want more information the following whitepaper may be usef=
ul:
http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.prd29-genc-009492c/PRD29-G=
ENC-009492C_trustzone_security_whitepaper.pdf

Ciao
Hannes

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<o:p></o:p></p>
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The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
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teep Session 1 (1:30:00)
    Tuesday, Afternoon Session II 1450-1620
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Request Information:


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Thanks for sharing, Henk.
I guess many people are already aware of the ongoing efforts in GlobalPlatf=
orm.

Ciao
Hannes

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Hello all,

in general, I would recommend to skim/take into account the corresponding s=
olution specification of Global Platform, which is in public review process=
 up until exactly today :)

GP TEE Management Framework (published December 2016)
> http://www.globalplatform.org/specifications/review/GPD_TEE_MgmtFramew
> ork_AsymmetricCryptoSecurityLayer_v0.0.0.24_PublicReview.pdf

Viele Gr=FC=DFe,

Henk


On 03/03/2017 04:02 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> * Pete Resnick suggested to distribute some introductory material about T=
EEs and TrustZone to the mailing list to provide participants with enough b=
ackground for the meeting. Hannes will ask company-internally for some usef=
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Hi all,

You may have seen the announcement that the final agenda for the Chicago IE=
TF meeting has been posted and the date for the BOF has been confirmed. The=
 TEEP BOF is on the Tuesday afternoon, 14:50 - 16:20 (Chicago local time). =
For those from China the meeting time is inconvenient, see
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=3D2017&mont=
h=3D3&day=3D27&hour=3D20&min=3D0&sec=3D0&p1=3D136&p2=3D64&p3=3D33&iv=3D1800

The IETF offers remote participation possibilities, as explained at https:/=
/www.ietf.org/meeting/98/remote-participation.html. You can listen to the a=
udio stream, watch the video, and use the Jabber/XMPP chat for questions an=
d comments. It would be great if some of you could join.

The easiest way to use those remote participation facilities is to go to th=
e agenda page at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/agenda.html and to=
 click at the icons next to the meeting you are interested in. To join the =
chat you need to download and install one of the XMPP chat clients, see htt=
ps://www.ietf.org/jabber/. My Jabber id is HannesTschofenig@jabber.org<xmpp=
:HannesTschofenig@jabber.org>. Feel free to drop me a message when you inst=
all and play around with the tool.

Ciao
Hannes

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You may have seen the announcement that the final ag=
enda for the Chicago IETF meeting has been posted and the date for the BOF =
has been confirmed. The TEEP BOF is on the Tuesday afternoon, 14:50 &#8211;=
 16:20 (Chicago local time). For those from
 China the meeting time is inconvenient, see &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The IETF offers remote participation possibilities, =
as explained at
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/meeting/98/remote-participation.html">https=
://www.ietf.org/meeting/98/remote-participation.html</a>. You can listen to=
 the audio stream, watch the video, and use the Jabber/XMPP chat for questi=
ons and comments. It would be great
 if some of you could join. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The easiest way to use those remote participation fa=
cilities is to go to the agenda page at
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/agenda.html">https://dat=
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 to the meeting you are interested in. To join the chat you need to downloa=
d and install one of the XMPP chat
 clients, see <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/jabber/">https://www.ietf.org=
/jabber/</a>. My Jabber id is
<a href=3D"xmpp:HannesTschofenig@jabber.org"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt=
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ound:white;text-decoration:none">HannesTschofenig@jabber.org</span></a>. Fe=
el free to drop me a message when you install and play around
 with the tool. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ciao<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hannes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Hi all,

when I briefly presented the TEEP BOF effort to the folks from the IoT Dire=
ctorate last Monday I was told that there are various efforts ongoing on at=
testation. Since we use the attestation concept in the Open Trust Protocol =
draft as well I thought it would be useful to explain what it actually mean=
s.

In a nutshell, the idea of attestation in this context is that the device d=
emonstrates that it is equipped with a TEE functionality (rather than just =
running everything in software). The attestation at the version -03 draft i=
s provided using two different keys, namely based on

*       a key pair that is provided during manufacturing (the TEE key pair)=
 for use with the trusted application manager, and

*       a key pair that is dynamically generated when a security domain is =
created for use with the service provider. This key pair is supposed to pro=
vide additional privacy properties since different service providers are no=
t able to see the TEE key).

Ciao
Hannes

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">when I briefly presented the TEEP BOF effort to the =
folks from the IoT Directorate last Monday I was told that there are variou=
s efforts ongoing on attestation. Since we use the attestation concept in t=
he Open Trust Protocol draft as well
 I thought it would be useful to explain what it actually means. <o:p></o:p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In a nutshell, the idea of attestation in this conte=
xt is that the device demonstrates that it is equipped with a TEE functiona=
lity (rather than just running everything in software). The attestation at =
the version -03 draft is provided
 using two different keys, namely based on <o:p></o:p></p>
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ring (the TEE key pair) for use with the trusted application manager, and
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n a security domain is created for use with the service provider. This key =
pair is supposed to provide additional privacy properties since different s=
ervice providers are not able to
 see the TEE key).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ciao<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hannes<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hey Jeremy,

thanks for the clarification. I referenced the exemplary document 
because at the time of writing it was the only freely accessible document.

> behind a click-through license.

That's why I put the link to the license-bound spec set in the next mail.

> https://www.globalplatform.org/specificationsdevice.asp

In regard to batch, it could be useful to consider referencing similar 
prior work. The Multiple-Hash Attestation Protocol, for example, 
presented in the ACM paper "Improving the scalability of platform 
attestation." includes existing security considerations, which might (or 
might not) be applicable here.


Cheers,

Henk


On 03/08/2017 04:34 PM, O'Donoghue, Jeremy wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> A few points regarding the issues discussed below.
>
>   * The document mentioned by Henk contains only a security layer, and
>     cannot be understood independent of other documents. I do not
>     recommend it to anyone trying to understand other efforts in this area.
>   * The essence of the â€œbatchâ€ use case is for systems which are not
>     online 100% of the time, or where online communication is costly. I
>     would envisage at least the following â€œbatchâ€ use cases for
>     consideration:
>       o TAM wishes to install or update a TA using a distribution model
>         in which the TA is distributed as part of an REE app package. In
>         this case many identical requests may be envisaged.
>       o TAM wishes to personalise a TA. In this case requests are not
>         identical, but are delivered offline.
>   * The best introductory TEE document I know of is the GlobalPlatform
>     "TEE System Architecture v1.1â€, which is available from the
>     GlobalPlatform specification area - behind a click-through license.
>     It provides considerably more information than the Wikipedia article.
>
>
> Best regards
> Jeremy
>
> ---
> Jeremy Oâ€™Donoghue                            email:
> jodonogh@qti.qualcomm.com <mailto:jodonogh@qti.qualcomm.com>
> Engineer, Principal/Manager                  tel:   +44 1252 363189
> NFC & Secure Software and Systems
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>
>
>
>> On 7 Mar 2017, at 07:45, Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com
>> <mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for sharing, Henk.
>> I guess many people are already aware of the ongoing efforts in
>> GlobalPlatform.
>>
>> Ciao
>> Hannes
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TEEP [mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henk Birkholz
>> Sent: 03 March 2017 16:52
>> To: teep@ietf.org <mailto:teep@ietf.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Teep] Conference Call Notes ... was RE: Re-sending TEEP
>> BOF Discussion Conference Call Info
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> in general, I would recommend to skim/take into account the
>> corresponding solution specification of Global Platform, which is in
>> public review process up until exactly today :)
>>
>> GP TEE Management Framework (published December 2016)
>>> http://www.globalplatform.org/specifications/review/GPD_TEE_MgmtFramew
>>> ork_AsymmetricCryptoSecurityLayer_v0.0.0.24_PublicReview.pdf
>>
>> Viele GrÃ¼ÃŸe,
>>
>> Henk
>>
>>
>> On 03/03/2017 04:02 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>>> * Pete Resnick suggested to distribute some introductory material
>>> about TEEs and TrustZone to the mailing list to provide participants
>>> with enough background for the meeting. Hannes will ask
>>> company-internally for some useful material.
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On 03/08/2017 04:34 PM, O'Donoghue, Jeremy wrote:
> # The best introductory TEE document I know of is the GlobalPlatform "T=
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> System Architecture v1.1=94, which is available from the GlobalPlatform=

> specification area - behind a click-through license. It provides
> considerably more information than the Wikipedia article.

Thanks, Jeremy! That's a useful pointer.


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Hi all,

to better illustrate the relationships between the entities I created a dia=
gram.

To summarize, a device is assumed to have one TEE only. Devices with multip=
le TEEs are not considered in scope.
The support of multiple Trusted Application Managers, TAMs, is envisioned.

To support a number of different applications from different service provid=
ers on a TEE there needs to be some form of isolation provided by the TEE s=
o that the individual trusted apps (TAs) provided by different service prov=
iders do not access resources of each other. This isolation is accomplished=
 through the security domain concept.

I am thinking about putting this diagram (in ASCII format) into the draft, =
if it is helpful.

Ciao
Hannes

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">to better illustrate the relationships between the e=
ntities I created a diagram.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To summarize, a device is assumed to have one TEE on=
ly. Devices with multiple TEEs are not considered in scope.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The support of multiple Trusted Application Managers=
, TAMs, is envisioned.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To support a number of different applications from d=
ifferent service providers on a TEE there needs to be some form of isolatio=
n provided by the TEE so that the individual trusted apps (TAs) provided by=
 different service providers do not
 access resources of each other. This isolation is accomplished through the=
 security domain concept.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am thinking about putting this diagram (in ASCII f=
ormat) into the draft, if it is helpful.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ciao<br>
Hannes<o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks Nancy.


Here are a few agenda items I consider we should touch on:


1. Discuss on the BOF agenda order

* we discussed last time to have the following

1) Use cases (Dapeng / Ming)

2) TEE introduction (Hannes)

3) OTrP architecture / current proposal (Ming)

4) Others? TBD


2. Discuss above slide status

* we may have some preview discussion and status


Thanks,


Ming


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All,
We had a good majority for Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST);  I=92ve se=
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Please send us agenda items for the upcoming call.

Thanks, Nancy



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<p>Thanks Nancy.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Here are a few agenda items I consider we should touch on:</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>1.&nbsp;Discuss on the BOF agenda order</p>
<p>* we discussed last time to have the following</p>
<p>1) Use cases (Dapeng / Ming)</p>
<p>2) TEE&nbsp;introduction (Hannes)</p>
<p>3) OTrP architecture / current proposal (Ming)</p>
<p>4) Others? TBD</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>2. Discuss above slide status</p>
<p>* we may have some preview discussion and status</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p></p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Ming</p>
<p><br>
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om&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 11, 2017 5:10:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> teep@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)</font>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
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;color:black">We had a good majority for Mar 15<sup>th</sup> 7am PST (3pm C=
ET, 10pm CST);&nbsp; I=92ve setup a webex for that time slot<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Please see info below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Please send us agenda items for the upcoming call.<o:p></o:p>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
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Hi Nancy,


Yes, I considered each action item owners will come back to report on progr=
ess and status. The preview part should be brief. For OTrP architecture / t=
echnical introduction part, I think 20 minutes should be fine for me to get=
 quick feedbacks on a few main changes. I will leave it to Hannes, Dapeng a=
nd others reply time they need.


Thanks,


Ming


________________________________
From: Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) <ncamwing@cisco.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:03:02 PM
To: Mingliang Pei; teep@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)

Thank you Ming!  Does that mean then that items 1-3 are to happen in the Ma=
r 15th call?  If so, can we have estimated times so that we can make sure w=
e can get them done in the hour slot?

Henk also wanted to discuss =93attestation=94, though I=92m not sure of spe=
cifics so will await for Henk=92s response as well.

Of course, we also need to discuss what a plausible charter would look like=
 in preparation for the f2f BoF.

Regards, Nancy

From: TEEP <teep-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Mingliang Pei <Mingliang_Pe=
i@symantec.com>
Date: Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 3:18 PM
To: "ncamwing@cisco.com" <ncamwing@cisco.com>, "teep@ietf.org" <teep@ietf.o=
rg>
Subject: Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)


Thanks Nancy.



Here are a few agenda items I consider we should touch on:



1. Discuss on the BOF agenda order

* we discussed last time to have the following

1) Use cases (Dapeng / Ming)

2) TEE introduction (Hannes)

3) OTrP architecture / current proposal (Ming)

4) Others? TBD



2. Discuss above slide status

* we may have some preview discussion and status



Thanks,



Ming



________________________________
From: TEEP <teep-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)=
 <ncamwing@cisco.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 5:10:15 PM
To: teep@ietf.org
Subject: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)

All,
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<p>Hi Nancy,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Yes, I considered each action item owners will come back to report on pr=
ogress and status. The preview part should be brief. For OTrP&nbsp;architec=
ture / technical introduction part, I think 20 minutes should be fine for m=
e to get quick feedbacks on a few main
 changes. I will leave it to Hannes, Dapeng and others reply time they need=
.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Ming</p>
<p><br>
</p>
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Nancy Cam-Winget (nca=
mwing) &lt;ncamwing@cisco.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:03:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mingliang Pei; teep@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)</f=
ont>
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>Thank you Ming!&nbsp; Does that mean then that items 1-3 are to happen in =
the Mar 15<sup>th</sup> call?&nbsp; If so, can we have estimated times so t=
hat we can make sure we can get them done in the
 hour slot?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>Henk also wanted to discuss =93attestation=94, though I=92m not sure of sp=
ecifics so will await for Henk=92s response as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>Of course, we also need to discuss what a plausible charter would look lik=
e in preparation for the f2f BoF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
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rom: </span>
</b><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">TEEP &lt;teep-bounces@i=
etf.org&gt; on behalf of Mingliang Pei &lt;Mingliang_Pei@symantec.com&gt;<b=
r>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 3:18 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;ncamwing@cisco.com&quot; &lt;ncamwing@cisco.com&gt;, &quot=
;teep@ietf.org&quot; &lt;teep@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)<o:=
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<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">Thanks Nancy.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">Here are a few agenda it=
ems I consider we should touch on:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">1.&nbsp;Discuss on the B=
OF agenda order<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">* we discussed last time=
 to have the following<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">1) Use cases (Dapeng / M=
ing)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">2) TEE&nbsp;introduction=
 (Hannes)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">3) OTrP architecture / c=
urrent proposal (Ming)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">4) Others? TBD<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">2. Discuss above slide s=
tatus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">* we may have some previ=
ew discussion and status<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">Ming<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
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y Cam-Winget (ncamwing) &lt;ncamwing@cisco.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 11, 2017 5:10:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> teep@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)</span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">We had a good majority for Mar 15<sup>th</sup> 7am PST (3pm C=
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Hi all,

We would like to draw your attention to the following use case document:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-liu-opentrustprotocol-usecase-00

Credits for the work go to Dapeng & Qiang.

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Thank you for the use case document.
I think that there is a need in the use case document to explain who owns the
code inside the TEE.  (It seems that a device like a smartphone would need a
multitude of TEEs)

3.1. Use Case 1 - Payment

So on the one hand the document suggests that the TEE will contain personal
information relating to payment, so be securely unlocked by the end user via
some kind of SecureAttentionKey interface.   A private key, or perhaps an
anchor for a blockchain signer....
So the end user needs to intimately control what code is inside (i.e: be able
to delegate that trust to a party that they trust).

Then the document says:
     For the development of the relevant TA of SP, the
     use of OTrP can easily send the latest trusted application to the
     device.

I get the impression that the bank is going to send updates to the trust
application.   But, it's the bank that I'm going to dispute a payment with,
so in fact, I can't let them create the audit trail at my end.

No use case was given for media, yet that was mentioned.
Nor Enterprise.

In each case, I think that the contents of the TEE are controlled by a
different party.  And each party seems to want to control the screen and
keyboard.


3.2.  Use Case 2 - IoT

The only example here given is smart door locks.
I think that this is really confused.   The most important thing the TEE can
do is to provide original bootstrap process, and then yes, storage and update
of session keys.   After putting all that in the TEE, what's actually left?


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Based upon what I have read so far, I can't see a role for the IETF, but I
continue to read with an open mind.

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Hi Jeremy,

Thanks for the clarification and comments.
We will update the draft soon.

Thanks,
Dapeng Liu
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 6:49 PM Jeremy O'Donoghue <jodonogh@qti.qualcomm.co=
m>
wrote:

> Hi Michael, Teep group,
>
> I have tried to clarify some of Michael=E2=80=99s questions/comments belo=
w. I
> generally agree with his assertion that the use cases lack detail about:
>
>    - What assets are involved and who owns them.
>    - What attacks are envisaged.
>    - What are the security assumptions.
>
>
> I see no use of requirements (RFC2119) language in the document, so it is
> unclear how requirements derive from this document - perhaps this reflect=
s
> my unfamiliarity with IETF processes. RFCs 7515, 7516, 7517, 7518 are not
> referred to in the document - they should be removed from the list of
> normative references.
>
> On 15 Mar 2017, at 01:06, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you for the use case document.
> I think that there is a need in the use case document to explain who owns
> the
> code inside the TEE.  (It seems that a device like a smartphone would nee=
d
> a
> multitude of TEEs)
>
>
> Current generations of Smartphones contain a single TEE (I am unaware of
> any current deployment of multiple TEE in a single device, although it is
> theoretically possible).
>
> As a generalisation, OTrP is addressing an execution environment in which
> there are multiple actors contributing code. Typically
>
>    - Secured boot loader and firmware (e.g. device drivers). This is
>    typically supplied by the SoC vendor and/or device OEM. The use case
>    document uses two terms for this: SBM (Secure Boot Module) and TFW (Tr=
usted
>    Firmware). Personally I prefer SBM as =E2=80=9CTrusted Firmware=E2=80=
=9D may be confused
>    with a specific ARM technology.
>    - The TEE kernel and application level APIs (TEE). This may be
>    supplied by a third party of by an SoC vendor, depending on the device=
.
>    - Trusted Applications (TAs) - these are supplied by Service Providers=
.
>
>
> TAs have to trust the code provided by the TEE and SBM. They must also
> trust the sandboxing between TAs that is assured by the TEE. This can be
> assessed by independent security evaluations such as that offered by
> GlobalPlatform <https://www.globalplatform.org/teecertification.asp> or
> under the Common Criteria, if the use case requires it.
>
> OTrP organises TAs under Security Domains (SDs). An SD is simply a
> representative of a Service Provider or (usually) its delegate. It is
> basically a set of keys and permissions.
>
> 3.1. Use Case 1 - Payment
>
> So on the one hand the document suggests that the TEE will contain person=
al
> information relating to payment, so be securely unlocked by the end user
> via
> some kind of SecureAttentionKey interface.   A private key, or perhaps an
> anchor for a blockchain signer....
> So the end user needs to intimately control what code is inside (i.e: be
> able
> to delegate that trust to a party that they trust).
>
> Then the document says:
>     For the development of the relevant TA of SP, the
>     use of OTrP can easily send the latest trusted application to the
>     device.
>
> I get the impression that the bank is going to send updates to the trust
> application.   But, it's the bank that I'm going to dispute a payment wit=
h,
> so in fact, I can't let them create the audit trail at my end.
>
>
> The assumption is that the end user trusts their bank. TA updating here
> should be seen more as a matter of updating for new features and/or
> security fixes. It is similar to the Smartphone =E2=80=9CApp Store=E2=80=
=9D model of
> updates. You do need to trust that your bank will not destroy any audit
> trail in the device as part of an update.
>
> If the TEE being controlled implements the GlobalPlatform APIs (this is
> true for many deployed TEE implementations), there is a set of trusted
> storage APIs which provide mechanisms allowing persistence of secure data
> across TA updates.
>
> No use case was given for media, yet that was mentioned.
> Nor Enterprise.
>
> In each case, I think that the contents of the TEE are controlled by a
> different party.  And each party seems to want to control the screen and
> keyboard.
>
>
> There are many use cases which do not require user interactions to be
> under the control of the TEE - for example if signing and/or encrypting
> data which was generated in the REE (e.g. Android, Windows, Linux).
>
> GlobalPlatform compliant TEE implementations can implement APIs supportin=
g
> secured control of display, touchscreen input and biometric authenticatio=
n
> if these use cases are required. The GP APIs essentially guarantee that
> only one TA controls the relevant peripherals using a transaction, and
> provides mechanisms to indicate this to the user. There are commercial
> deployments of all of these APIs.
>
> It is probable that components such as secured input and/or display
> contain significant components in all of the TEE kernel, SBM and REE (due
> to the need to orchestrate ownership of peripherals).
>
> Since OTrP explicitly manages only TAs, it is not obvious to me that a
> large class of potential security bugs can be fixed using OTrP alone. A
> good example is at
> https://www.blackhat.com/docs/us-15/materials/us-15-Zhang-Fingerprints-On=
-Mobile-Devices-Abusing-And-Leaking.pdf.
> This type of exploit can probably only be fixed with a complete system
> update. I am uncomfortable with any use case implying that OTrP can be us=
ed
> to patch system level vulnerabilities such as keyboard and display.
>
> 3.2.  Use Case 2 - IoT
>
> The only example here given is smart door locks.
> I think that this is really confused.   The most important thing the TEE
> can
> do is to provide original bootstrap process, and then yes, storage and
> update
> of session keys.   After putting all that in the TEE, what's actually lef=
t?
>
>
> I believe the intention here is to indicate that the session keys are
> stored and owned in a TA rather than in the TEE itself. This might allow
> e.g. a hotel chain to use multiple vendors of door-locks and manage them
> from a single system (TSM) of its own.
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Based upon what I have read so far, I can't see a role for the IETF, but =
I
> continue to read with an open mind.
>
>
> Best regards
> Jeremy
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Jeremy,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the clarification=
 and comments.=C2=A0</div><div>We will update the draft soon.</div><div><br=
></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Dapeng Liu<div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 6:49 PM Jeremy O&#39;Donoghue &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jodonogh@qti.qualcomm.com">jodonogh@qti.qualcomm.com</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"gmail_msg">
Hi Michael, Teep group,
<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">I have tried to clarify some of Michael=E2=80=99s =
questions/comments below. I generally agree with his assertion that the use=
 cases lack detail about:</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">
<ul class=3D"m_-8141992725061329156MailOutline gmail_msg">
<li class=3D"gmail_msg">What assets are involved and who owns them.</li><li=
 class=3D"gmail_msg">What attacks are envisaged.</li><li class=3D"gmail_msg=
">What are the security assumptions.=C2=A0</li></ul>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">I see no use of requirements (RFC2119) language in=
 the document, so it is unclear how requirements derive from this document =
- perhaps this reflects my unfamiliarity with IETF processes. RFCs 7515, 75=
16, 7517, 7518 are not referred to in the document
 - they should be removed from the list of normative references.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg">
<div class=3D"gmail_msg"></div></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-wo=
rd" class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_msg">
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">On 15 Mar 2017, at 01:06, Michael Richardson &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca" class=3D"gmail_msg" target=3D"_blan=
k">mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"m_-8141992725061329156Apple-interchange-newline gmail_msg">
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">
<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg">
Thank you for the use case document.<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
I think that there is a need in the use case document to explain who owns t=
he<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
code inside the TEE. =C2=A0(It seems that a device like a smartphone would =
need a<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
multitude of TEEs)<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
</div></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"gmail_msg"><=
div class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg">C=
urrent generations of Smartphones contain a single TEE (I am unaware of any=
 current deployment of multiple TEE in a single device, although it is theo=
retically possible).</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">As a generalisation, OTrP is addressing an executi=
on environment in which there are multiple actors contributing code. Typica=
lly</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">
<ul class=3D"m_-8141992725061329156MailOutline gmail_msg">
<li class=3D"gmail_msg">Secured boot loader and firmware (e.g. device drive=
rs). This is typically supplied by the SoC vendor and/or device OEM. The us=
e case document uses two terms for this: SBM (Secure Boot Module) and TFW (=
Trusted Firmware). Personally I prefer SBM
 as =E2=80=9CTrusted Firmware=E2=80=9D may be confused with a specific ARM =
technology.</li><li class=3D"gmail_msg">The TEE kernel and application leve=
l APIs (TEE). This may be supplied by a third party of by an SoC vendor, de=
pending on the device.</li><li class=3D"gmail_msg">Trusted Applications (TA=
s) - these are supplied by Service Providers.</li></ul>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">TAs have to trust the code provided by the TEE and=
 SBM. They must also trust the sandboxing between TAs that is assured by th=
e TEE. This can be assessed by independent security evaluations such as tha=
t offered by=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.globalplatform.org/teecertificatio=
n.asp" class=3D"gmail_msg" target=3D"_blank">GlobalPlatform</a>=C2=A0or
 under the Common Criteria, if the use case requires it.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">OTrP organises TAs under Security Domains (SDs). A=
n SD is simply a representative of a Service Provider or (usually) its dele=
gate. It is basically a set of keys and permissions.</div>
</div></div></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"gmail_=
msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg">
<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_msg">
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">3.1. Use Case 1 - Payment<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
So on the one hand the document suggests that the TEE will contain personal=
<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
information relating to payment, so be securely unlocked by the end user vi=
a<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
some kind of SecureAttentionKey interface. =C2=A0=C2=A0A private key, or pe=
rhaps an<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
anchor for a blockchain signer....<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
So the end user needs to intimately control what code is inside (i.e: be ab=
le<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
to delegate that trust to a party that they trust).<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
Then the document says:<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0For the development of the relevant TA of SP, the<b=
r class=3D"gmail_msg">
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0use of OTrP can easily send the latest trusted appl=
ication to the<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0device.<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
I get the impression that the bank is going to send updates to the trust<br=
 class=3D"gmail_msg">
application. =C2=A0=C2=A0But, it&#39;s the bank that I&#39;m going to dispu=
te a payment with,<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
so in fact, I can&#39;t let them create the audit trail at my end.<br class=
=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
</div></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"gmail_msg"><=
div class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg">T=
he assumption is that the end user trusts their bank. TA updating here shou=
ld be seen more as a matter of updating for new features and/or security fi=
xes. It is similar to the Smartphone =E2=80=9CApp Store=E2=80=9D model of u=
pdates. You do need to trust that your bank
 will not destroy any audit trail in the device as part of an update.=C2=A0=
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">If the TEE being controlled implements the GlobalP=
latform APIs (this is true for many deployed TEE implementations), there is=
 a set of trusted storage APIs which provide mechanisms allowing persistenc=
e of secure data across TA updates.</div></div></div></div><div style=3D"wo=
rd-wrap:break-word" class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=
=3D"gmail_msg">
<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_msg">
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">No use case was given for media, yet that was ment=
ioned.<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
Nor Enterprise.<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
In each case, I think that the contents of the TEE are controlled by a<br c=
lass=3D"gmail_msg">
different party.=C2=A0 And each party seems to want to control the screen a=
nd<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
keyboard.<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
</div></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"gmail_msg"><=
div class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg">T=
here are many use cases which do not require user interactions to be under =
the control of the TEE - for example if signing and/or encrypting data whic=
h was generated in the REE (e.g. Android, Windows, Linux).</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">GlobalPlatform compliant TEE implementations can i=
mplement APIs supporting secured control of display, touchscreen input and =
biometric authentication if these use cases are required. The GP APIs essen=
tially guarantee that only one TA controls the relevant
 peripherals using a transaction, and provides mechanisms to indicate this =
to the user. There are commercial deployments of all of these APIs.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">It is probable that components such as secured inp=
ut and/or display contain significant components in all of the TEE kernel, =
SBM and REE (due to the need to orchestrate ownership of peripherals).</div=
>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">Since OTrP explicitly manages only TAs, it is not =
obvious to me that a large class of potential security bugs can be fixed us=
ing OTrP alone. A good example is at=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.blackhat.c=
om/docs/us-15/materials/us-15-Zhang-Fingerprints-On-Mobile-Devices-Abusing-=
And-Leaking.pdf" class=3D"gmail_msg" target=3D"_blank">https://www.blackhat=
.com/docs/us-15/materials/us-15-Zhang-Fingerprints-On-Mobile-Devices-Abusin=
g-And-Leaking.pdf</a>.
 This type of exploit can probably only be fixed with a complete system upd=
ate. I am uncomfortable with any use case implying that OTrP can be used to=
 patch system level vulnerabilities such as keyboard and display.</div></di=
v></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"gmail_msg"><div =
class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg">
<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_msg">
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">3.2.=C2=A0 Use Case 2 - IoT<br class=3D"gmail_msg"=
>
<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
The only example here given is smart door locks.<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
I think that this is really confused. =C2=A0=C2=A0The most important thing =
the TEE can<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
do is to provide original bootstrap process, and then yes, storage and upda=
te<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
of session keys. =C2=A0=C2=A0After putting all that in the TEE, what&#39;s =
actually left?<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
</div></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"gmail_msg"><=
div class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg">I=
 believe the intention here is to indicate that the session keys are stored=
 and owned in a TA rather than in the TEE itself. This might allow e.g. a h=
otel chain to use multiple vendors of door-locks and manage them from a sin=
gle system (TSM) of its own.</div></div></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap=
:break-word" class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gma=
il_msg">
<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_msg">
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">=3D=3D=3D=3D<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
Based upon what I have read so far, I can&#39;t see a role for the IETF, bu=
t I<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
continue to read with an open mind.<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"gmail_msg"><=
div class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg"></div>
<br class=3D"gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_msg">Best regards</div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:br=
eak-word" class=3D"gmail_msg">
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Hi Kathleen,


Yes, thank you again to Nancy & Tero for volunteering here! ( Thank you as =
well for making time! )


I'm hoping that my comments today were constructive toward alignment, but p=
lease LMK anytime if you'd like me to take a different tone, tenor, approac=
h, view, etc for the good of the group.


Unfortunately for the Chicago meeting later this month, I'm previously comm=
itted in Europe.  However, between OTRP, TLS, & more, I'm sure you'll see m=
e more engaged here in coming months & years as I recently stepped back int=
o the Lab to lead it, and our new leadership team is committed to IETF.  Ag=
ain, please LMK if ever I can do anything better for the IETF community.


Thank you (all) again either way!


Looking Forward,
Brian

Brian Witten
Sr. Director, Symantec Research Labs Worldwide

+1-571-215-8224
bwitten@symantec.com

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Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 7:31:10 AM
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Hello,

Nancy and Tero have agreed to chair the TEEP BoF.  They will work with
the proponents and interested participants to prepare for a successful
BoF.

A big thanks to both Nancy and Tero!
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Best regards,
Kathleen

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you as well for making time! )</p>
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<p>I'm hoping that my comments today were constructive toward alignment, bu=
t please LMK anytime if you'd like me to take a different tone, tenor, appr=
oach, view, etc for the good of the group.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Unfortunately for the Chicago meeting later this month, I'm previously c=
ommitted in Europe.&nbsp; However, between OTRP, TLS, &amp; more, I'm sure =
you'll see me more engaged here in coming months &amp; years as I recently =
stepped back into the Lab to lead it, and our
 new leadership team is committed to IETF.&nbsp; Again, please LMK if ever =
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Brian<br>
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<br>
A big thanks to both Nancy and Tero!<br>
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Kathleen<br>
<br>
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Hi Brian,

Thanks for your participation and your note on travel.  We will have
remote access into the session and I hope you are able to take
advantage of that while on travel.  We look forward to your
participation.

Thank you,
Kathleen

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Brian Witten
<brian_witten@symantec.com> wrote:
> Hi Kathleen,
>
>
> Yes, thank you again to Nancy & Tero for volunteering here! ( Thank you as
> well for making time! )
>
>
> I'm hoping that my comments today were constructive toward alignment, but
> please LMK anytime if you'd like me to take a different tone, tenor,
> approach, view, etc for the good of the group.
>
>
> Unfortunately for the Chicago meeting later this month, I'm previously
> committed in Europe.  However, between OTRP, TLS, & more, I'm sure you'll
> see me more engaged here in coming months & years as I recently stepped back
> into the Lab to lead it, and our new leadership team is committed to IETF.
> Again, please LMK if ever I can do anything better for the IETF community.
>
>
> Thank you (all) again either way!
>
>
> Looking Forward,
> Brian
>
> Brian Witten
> Sr. Director, Symantec Research Labs Worldwide
>
> +1-571-215-8224
> bwitten@symantec.com
>
> ________________________________
> From: TEEP <teep-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Kathleen Moriarty
> <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 7:31:10 AM
> To: teep@ietf.org
> Cc: ncamwing@cisco.com; Tero Kivinen
> Subject: [Teep] TEEP BoF chairs
>
> Hello,
>
> Nancy and Tero have agreed to chair the TEEP BoF.  They will work with
> the proponents and interested participants to prepare for a successful
> BoF.
>
> A big thanks to both Nancy and Tero!
> --
>
> Best regards,
> Kathleen
>
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Kathleen


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Meeting minutes for today=92s call. Please correct or update if I have miss=
ed some major points. Thanks, Ming

=97=97=97=97

TEEP meeting
03/14/2017

Participants: Nancy Cam-Winget, Kathleen Moriarty, Brian Witten, Dave Wheel=
er, Nick Cook, Mingliang Pei, Rashid Sangi, Tero Kivinen, Jeremy O=92Donogh=
ue, Tirumaleswar Reddy, Dapeng Liu, Michael Richardson

Nancy hosted the meeting. Ming started to give a summary of use cases and c=
omments by Michael in the mailing list.

Michael clarified that he wants to know why a smart door lock needs this wh=
ere only a trusted environment is there. We (Brian, Hannes, Ming etc.) disc=
ussed that there are still needs to define trust where application injects =
TA from insecure side, being network, remote, or update.

The discussion indicates that we need to better see what the problem the ch=
arter tries to solve, who are stakeholders etc.

Dave suggested that we don=92t put use cases too close to implementation. S=
ome resource constraint devices don=92t have full TEE.

Jeremy noted that some audiences don=92t all know TEE. Hannes will introduc=
e TEE in the BoF. To this note, Hannes prefers someone from Intel to introd=
uce Intel SGX.

Nancy summarized two asks so far: introduction of TEE to set stage, and sec=
ondly show why the work needs to be done in IETF.

Nancy raised a personal view that we shouldn=92t prescribe hardware archite=
cture, and even there must be a hardware required to isolate. Some research=
 has been using SW for isolation. People agree that this should be independ=
ent of hardware, ARM or Intel (SGX). On the requirement of hardware, this i=
s generally considered yet =96 some isolation done by hardware and scope of=
 assumption. We don=92t want to get into a research project for the IETF wo=
rk.

Dave from Intel indicated that SGX won=92t have a root of trust at firmware=
 level. Current OTrP assumes a trust from firmware to above. We will need t=
o adjust on this as part of the IETF work.

Ming noted that we should work to define the scope of the spec this charter=
 tries to address. We cannot leave it too open to solve everything. The cur=
rent assumption of TEE presence is one. The assumption of hardware presence=
 is one. Multiple different TEEs support and hardware independence are basi=
c in scope assumption etc.

Jeremy raised a need to ensure specific interests should be guarded away fr=
om this work, and some kind of gate keeper (?). Brian commented to fully co=
ncur, and our work wants multiple TEEs, CAs etc. for competition and develo=
pment. This doesn=92t fully address Jeremy=92s question, and we can think m=
ore.

Nick suggested that we also name sample applications that may make use the =
work while describing use cases.

To summarize, we came away with the following several planning work for BoF=
 session candidates:


-       Clarify charter statement during BoF. From the call, not all people=
 agree or have the same background with TEE, SGX and so on.

-       Introduction of TEE (Hannes, Dave on Intel SGX). A colleague of Dav=
e will be attending BoF. Dave may join remotely.

-       Drive to define problem scope.

-       Discuss use cases that are in scope and those may be not

o   Discuss applications that may make use of the work of this charter, whi=
ch can provide more concrete context.

-       Discuss stakeholders and protocol architecture

Action items:

-       Dave Wheeler from Intel provides SGX introduction slide, and prepar=
e to present at BoF by his colleague, and him remotely

-       Discuss in mailing list to clarify charter and problem domain scope=
, use cases.

-       Discuss offline to clarify concerns Jeremy raised for openness / ga=
te keepers (?)


From: TEEP <teep-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" <ncamwing@cisco.com<mailto:ncamwing@cisco.=
com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 7:08 AM
To: "teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.org>" <teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.o=
rg>>
Subject: Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)

All,

We are about to start the BoF now=85.please join the webex if you want to p=
articipate.

Thanks!  Nancy

From: TEEP <teep-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of "ncamwing@cisco.com<mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com>" <ncamwing@cisco.com<mail=
to:ncamwing@cisco.com>>
Date: Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 5:10 PM
To: "teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.org>" <teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.o=
rg>>
Subject: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)

All,
We had a good majority for Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST);  I=92ve se=
tup a webex for that time slot
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Please send us agenda items for the upcoming call.

Thanks, Nancy



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<div>Meeting minutes for today=92s call. Please correct or update if I have=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">TEEP meeting<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">03/14/2017<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Participants: Nancy Cam-Winget, Kathleen Moriarty, B=
rian Witten, Dave Wheeler, Nick Cook, Mingliang Pei, Rashid Sangi, Tero Kiv=
inen, Jeremy O=92Donoghue, Tirumaleswar Reddy, Dapeng Liu, Michael Richards=
on<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nancy hosted the meeting. Ming started to give a sum=
mary of use cases and comments by Michael in the mailing list.<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Michael clarified that he wants to know why a smart =
door lock needs this where only a trusted environment is there. We (Brian, =
Hannes, Ming etc.) discussed that there are still needs to define trust whe=
re application injects TA from insecure
 side, being network, remote, or update.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The discussion indicates that we need to better see =
what the problem the charter tries to solve, who are stakeholders etc.<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dave suggested that we don=92t put use cases too clo=
se to implementation. Some resource constraint devices don=92t have full TE=
E.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jeremy noted that some audiences don=92t all know TE=
E. Hannes will introduce TEE in the BoF. To this note, Hannes prefers someo=
ne from Intel to introduce Intel SGX.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nancy summarized two asks so far: introduction of TE=
E to set stage, and secondly show why the work needs to be done in IETF.<o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nancy raised a personal view that we shouldn=92t pre=
scribe hardware architecture, and even there must be a hardware required to=
 isolate. Some research has been using SW for isolation. People agree that =
this should be independent of hardware,
 ARM or Intel (SGX). On the requirement of hardware, this is generally cons=
idered yet =96 some isolation done by hardware and scope of assumption. We =
don=92t want to get into a research project for the IETF work.<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dave from Intel indicated that SGX won=92t have a ro=
ot of trust at firmware level. Current OTrP assumes a trust from firmware t=
o above. We will need to adjust on this as part of the IETF work.<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ming noted that we should work to define the scope o=
f the spec this charter tries to address. We cannot leave it too open to so=
lve everything. The current assumption of TEE presence is one. The assumpti=
on of hardware presence is one. Multiple
 different TEEs support and hardware independence are basic in scope assump=
tion etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jeremy raised a need to ensure specific interests sh=
ould be guarded away from this work, and some kind of gate keeper (?). Bria=
n commented to fully concur, and our work wants multiple TEEs, CAs etc. for=
 competition and development. This
 doesn=92t fully address Jeremy=92s question, and we can think more.<o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nick suggested that we also name sample applications=
 that may make use the work while describing use cases.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To summarize, we came away with the following severa=
l planning work for BoF session candidates:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list=
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l; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><!--[endif]-->Clarify charter statement during BoF. From the call, n=
ot all people agree or have the same background with TEE, SGX and so on.<o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-lis=
t:l0 level1 lfo1">
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l; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><!--[endif]-->Introduction of TEE (Hannes, Dave on Intel SGX). A col=
league of Dave will be attending BoF. Dave may join remotely.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
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t:l0 level1 lfo1">
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l; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><!--[endif]-->Drive to define problem scope.<o:p></o:p></p>
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t:l0 level1 lfo1">
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l; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><!--[endif]-->Discuss use cases that are in scope and those may be n=
ot<o:p></o:p></p>
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ork of this charter, which can provide more concrete context.<o:p></o:p></p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Action items:<o:p></o:p></p>
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e, and prepare to present at BoF by his colleague, and him remotely<o:p></o=
:p></p>
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openness / gate keepers (?)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>TEEP &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:te=
ep-bounces@ietf.org">teep-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of &quot;Nancy=
 Cam-Winget (ncamwing)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncam=
wing@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at =
7:08 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ie=
tf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@i=
etf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15=
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>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>We are about to start the BoF now=85.please join the webex if you want to =
participate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>Thanks!&nbsp; Nancy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">F=
rom: </span>
</b><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">TEEP &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:teep-bounces@ietf.org">teep-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of &quot=
;<a href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncamwing@cisco.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncamwing@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 5:10 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">We had a good majority for Mar 15<sup>th</sup> 7am PST (3pm C=
ET, 10pm CST);&nbsp; I=92ve setup a webex for that time slot</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Please see info below.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Please send us agenda items for the upcoming call.</span><o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Thanks, Nancy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">JOIN WEBEX MEETING</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black"><a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?MTID=3Dme=
9216d73c5905ad78110499a8c7c12bf">https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?M=
TID=3Dme9216d73c5905ad78110499a8c7c12bf</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Meeting number (access code): 207 779 570</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Meeting password: KEQ52p3W (53752739 from phones)</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">JOIN FROM A VIDEO SYSTEM OR APPLICATION</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Dial sip:<a href=3D"mailto:207779570@cisco.webex.com">2077795=
70@cisco.webex.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">From the Cisco internal network, dial *267* and the 9-digit m=
eeting number.&nbsp;&nbsp;If you are the host, enter your PIN when prompted=
.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">JOIN BY PHONE</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&#43;1-408-525-6800 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&#43;1-866-432-9903 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada)</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Global call-in numbers:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black"><a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/globalcallin.ph=
p?serviceType=3DMC&amp;ED=3D379001592&amp;tollFree=3D1">https://cisco.webex=
.com/ciscosales/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&amp;ED=3D379001592&amp;to=
llFree=3D1</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Toll-free dialing restrictions:
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black"><a href=3D"https://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pd=
f">https://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf</a></span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Can't join the meeting?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black"><a href=3D"https://help.webex.com/docs/DOC-5412">https://help=
.webex.com/docs/DOC-5412</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx service allows =
audio and other information sent during the session to be recorded, which m=
ay be discoverable in a legal matter.
 By joining this session, you automatically consent to such recordings. If =
you do not consent to being recorded, discuss your concerns with the host o=
r do not join the session.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
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Thank You Both For The Kind Words!  I'll aim to join by webex/meetecho if t=
he jetlag and inevitable flight/customer shuffling permits.  Thank You Agai=
n!


________________________________
From: Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) <ncamwing@cisco.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:25:03 AM
To: Kathleen Moriarty; Brian Witten
Cc: teep@ietf.org; Tero Kivinen
Subject: Re: [Teep] TEEP BoF chairs

Hi Brian,

Will echo Kathleen=92s Thanks for your participation and comments=85. and a=
dd that discussions will continue over the mail list and so please do conti=
nue to participate there when you can not do a f2f.
There will be remote participation via meetecho for the Chicago venue as we=
ll.

Looking forward to your continued participation and contributions,
        Nancy


On 3/15/17, 8:25 AM, "Kathleen Moriarty" <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>=
 wrote:

    Hi Brian,

    Thanks for your participation and your note on travel.  We will have
    remote access into the session and I hope you are able to take
    advantage of that while on travel.  We look forward to your
    participation.

    Thank you,
    Kathleen

    On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Brian Witten
    <brian_witten@symantec.com> wrote:
    > Hi Kathleen,
    >
    >
    > Yes, thank you again to Nancy & Tero for volunteering here! ( Thank y=
ou as
    > well for making time! )
    >
    >
    > I'm hoping that my comments today were constructive toward alignment,=
 but
    > please LMK anytime if you'd like me to take a different tone, tenor,
    > approach, view, etc for the good of the group.
    >
    >
    > Unfortunately for the Chicago meeting later this month, I'm previousl=
y
    > committed in Europe.  However, between OTRP, TLS, & more, I'm sure yo=
u'll
    > see me more engaged here in coming months & years as I recently stepp=
ed back
    > into the Lab to lead it, and our new leadership team is committed to =
IETF.
    > Again, please LMK if ever I can do anything better for the IETF commu=
nity.
    >
    >
    > Thank you (all) again either way!
    >
    >
    > Looking Forward,
    > Brian
    >
    > Brian Witten
    > Sr. Director, Symantec Research Labs Worldwide
    >
    > +1-571-215-8224
    > bwitten@symantec.com
    >
    > ________________________________
    > From: TEEP <teep-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Kathleen Moriarty
    > <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
    > Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 7:31:10 AM
    > To: teep@ietf.org
    > Cc: ncamwing@cisco.com; Tero Kivinen
    > Subject: [Teep] TEEP BoF chairs
    >
    > Hello,
    >
    > Nancy and Tero have agreed to chair the TEEP BoF.  They will work wit=
h
    > the proponents and interested participants to prepare for a successfu=
l
    > BoF.
    >
    > A big thanks to both Nancy and Tero!
    > --
    >
    > Best regards,
    > Kathleen
    >
    > _______________________________________________
    > TEEP mailing list
    > TEEP@ietf.org
    > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teep



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    Best regards,
    Kathleen



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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:25:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kathleen Moriarty; Brian Witten<br>
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<div class=3D"PlainText">Hi Brian,<br>
<br>
Will echo Kathleen=92s Thanks for your participation and comments=85. and a=
dd that discussions will continue over the mail list and so please do conti=
nue to participate there when you can not do a f2f.<br>
There will be remote participation via meetecho for the Chicago venue as we=
ll.<br>
<br>
Looking forward to your continued participation and contributions,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Nancy<br>
<br>
<br>
On 3/15/17, 8:25 AM, &quot;Kathleen Moriarty&quot; &lt;kathleen.moriarty.ie=
tf@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hi Brian,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks for your participation and your note on travel.&n=
bsp; We will have<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; remote access into the session and I hope you are able t=
o take<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; advantage of that while on travel.&nbsp; We look forward=
 to your<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; participation.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thank you,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Kathleen<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Brian Witten<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;brian_witten@symantec.com&gt; wrote:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Hi Kathleen,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Yes, thank you again to Nancy &amp; Tero for volunt=
eering here! ( Thank you as<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; well for making time! )<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; I'm hoping that my comments today were constructive=
 toward alignment, but<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; please LMK anytime if you'd like me to take a diffe=
rent tone, tenor,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; approach, view, etc for the good of the group.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Unfortunately for the Chicago meeting later this mo=
nth, I'm previously<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; committed in Europe.&nbsp; However, between OTRP, T=
LS, &amp; more, I'm sure you'll<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; see me more engaged here in coming months &amp; yea=
rs as I recently stepped back<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; into the Lab to lead it, and our new leadership tea=
m is committed to IETF.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Again, please LMK if ever I can do anything better =
for the IETF community.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Thank you (all) again either way!<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Looking Forward,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Brian<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Brian Witten<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Sr. Director, Symantec Research Labs Worldwide<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &#43;1-571-215-8224<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; bwitten@symantec.com<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; ________________________________<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; From: TEEP &lt;teep-bounces@ietf.org&gt; on behalf =
of Kathleen Moriarty<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &lt;kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com&gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 7:31:10 AM<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; To: teep@ietf.org<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Cc: ncamwing@cisco.com; Tero Kivinen<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Subject: [Teep] TEEP BoF chairs<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Hello,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Nancy and Tero have agreed to chair the TEEP BoF.&n=
bsp; They will work with<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; the proponents and interested participants to prepa=
re for a successful<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; BoF.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; A big thanks to both Nancy and Tero!<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; --<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Best regards,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Kathleen<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; TEEP mailing list<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; TEEP@ietf.org<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/te=
ep">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teep</a><br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Best regards,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Kathleen<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
<br>
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Mingliang,
Thanks for taking the notes. It is so hard to do so while also participatin=
g in the conversation.
I have a correction to the minutes for the statement:
> Dave from Intel indicated that SGX won't have a root of trust at firmware=
 level. Current OTrP > > assumes a trust from firmware to above. We will ne=
ed to adjust on this as part of the IETF work.

Apologies for not being clear. SGX does in fact have attestation root in th=
e Silicon/Hardware. At some level one would attest to the microcode on the =
CPU.
However, the OTrP specification ties attestation to the Secure Boot firmwar=
e of the device. This is very specific, and very different from SGX (and ot=
her TEEs).

See definition "Secure Boot Module" (SBM) page 7, section 3.1

In TrustZone, it is important that the boot of the device be trusted so tha=
t the security monitor and (if there is one) the RTOS in the security world=
, is trusted. This trust is established during boot of the device, and such=
 trust in the TEE is inextricably linked to the boot of the device. This is=
 perfectly fine. Intel has some hypervisor TEEs that work in exactly the sa=
me way.

However, this is not the only way a TEE can be established, and there are d=
ifferent trusted execution environments that are not burdened with trust li=
nked to the boot of the device. The definition of trusted firmware and the =
root of trust being linked to the secure boot of the device is implementati=
on-specific, and should be changed. We need a broader definition of root-of=
-trust.

Thanks for allowing me to better explain my position.

Dave Wheeler

From: TEEP [mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mingliang Pei
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:44 AM
To: Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) <ncamwing@cisco.com>; teep@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)

Meeting minutes for today's call. Please correct or update if I have missed=
 some major points. Thanks, Ming

----

TEEP meeting
03/14/2017

Participants: Nancy Cam-Winget, Kathleen Moriarty, Brian Witten, Dave Wheel=
er, Nick Cook, Mingliang Pei, Rashid Sangi, Tero Kivinen, Jeremy O'Donoghue=
, Tirumaleswar Reddy, Dapeng Liu, Michael Richardson

Nancy hosted the meeting. Ming started to give a summary of use cases and c=
omments by Michael in the mailing list.

Michael clarified that he wants to know why a smart door lock needs this wh=
ere only a trusted environment is there. We (Brian, Hannes, Ming etc.) disc=
ussed that there are still needs to define trust where application injects =
TA from insecure side, being network, remote, or update.

The discussion indicates that we need to better see what the problem the ch=
arter tries to solve, who are stakeholders etc.

Dave suggested that we don't put use cases too close to implementation. Som=
e resource constraint devices don't have full TEE.

Jeremy noted that some audiences don't all know TEE. Hannes will introduce =
TEE in the BoF. To this note, Hannes prefers someone from Intel to introduc=
e Intel SGX.

Nancy summarized two asks so far: introduction of TEE to set stage, and sec=
ondly show why the work needs to be done in IETF.

Nancy raised a personal view that we shouldn't prescribe hardware architect=
ure, and even there must be a hardware required to isolate. Some research h=
as been using SW for isolation. People agree that this should be independen=
t of hardware, ARM or Intel (SGX). On the requirement of hardware, this is =
generally considered yet - some isolation done by hardware and scope of ass=
umption. We don't want to get into a research project for the IETF work.

Dave from Intel indicated that SGX won't have a root of trust at firmware l=
evel. Current OTrP assumes a trust from firmware to above. We will need to =
adjust on this as part of the IETF work.

Ming noted that we should work to define the scope of the spec this charter=
 tries to address. We cannot leave it too open to solve everything. The cur=
rent assumption of TEE presence is one. The assumption of hardware presence=
 is one. Multiple different TEEs support and hardware independence are basi=
c in scope assumption etc.

Jeremy raised a need to ensure specific interests should be guarded away fr=
om this work, and some kind of gate keeper (?). Brian commented to fully co=
ncur, and our work wants multiple TEEs, CAs etc. for competition and develo=
pment. This doesn't fully address Jeremy's question, and we can think more.

Nick suggested that we also name sample applications that may make use the =
work while describing use cases.

To summarize, we came away with the following several planning work for BoF=
 session candidates:


-        Clarify charter statement during BoF. From the call, not all peopl=
e agree or have the same background with TEE, SGX and so on.

-        Introduction of TEE (Hannes, Dave on Intel SGX). A colleague of Da=
ve will be attending BoF. Dave may join remotely.

-        Drive to define problem scope.

-        Discuss use cases that are in scope and those may be not

o   Discuss applications that may make use of the work of this charter, whi=
ch can provide more concrete context.

-        Discuss stakeholders and protocol architecture

Action items:

-        Dave Wheeler from Intel provides SGX introduction slide, and prepa=
re to present at BoF by his colleague, and him remotely

-        Discuss in mailing list to clarify charter and problem domain scop=
e, use cases.

-        Discuss offline to clarify concerns Jeremy raised for openness / g=
ate keepers (?)


From: TEEP <teep-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" <ncamwing@cisco.com<mailto:ncamwing@cisco.=
com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 7:08 AM
To: "teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.org>" <teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.o=
rg>>
Subject: Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)

All,

We are about to start the BoF now....please join the webex if you want to p=
articipate.

Thanks!  Nancy

From: TEEP <teep-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of "ncamwing@cisco.com<mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com>" <ncamwing@cisco.com<mail=
to:ncamwing@cisco.com>>
Date: Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 5:10 PM
To: "teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.org>" <teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.o=
rg>>
Subject: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)

All,
We had a good majority for Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST);  I've setu=
p a webex for that time slot
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Please send us agenda items for the upcoming call.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Mingliang,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks for taking the notes. It is so=
 hard to do so while also participating in the conversation.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I have a correction to the minutes fo=
r the statement:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&gt; Dave from Intel ind=
icated that SGX won&#8217;t have a root of trust at firmware level. Current=
 OTrP &gt; &gt; assumes a trust from firmware to above. We will need to adj=
ust on this as part of the IETF work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Apologies for not being clear. SGX do=
es in fact have attestation root in the Silicon/Hardware. At some level one=
 would attest to the microcode on the CPU.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">However, the OTrP specification ties =
attestation to the Secure Boot firmware of the device. This is very specifi=
c, and very different from SGX (and other TEEs).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">See definition &#8220;Secure Boot Mod=
ule&#8221; (SBM) page 7, section 3.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In TrustZone, it is important that th=
e boot of the device be trusted so that the security monitor and (if there =
is one) the RTOS in the security world, is trusted.
 This trust is established during boot of the device, and such trust in the=
 TEE is inextricably linked to the boot of the device. This is perfectly fi=
ne. Intel has some hypervisor TEEs that work in exactly the same way.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">However, this is not the only way a T=
EE can be established, and there are different trusted execution environmen=
ts that are not burdened with trust linked to
 the boot of the device. The definition of trusted firmware and the root of=
 trust being linked to the secure boot of the device is implementation-spec=
ific, and should be changed. We need a broader definition of root-of-trust.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks fo=
r allowing me to better explain my position.
<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dave Wheeler<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"_____replyseparator"></a><b><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</spa=
n></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif"> TEEP [mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mingliang Pei<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) &lt;ncamwing@cisco.com&gt;; teep@iet=
f.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Meeting minutes for today&#8217;s call.=
 Please correct or update if I have missed some major points. Thanks, Ming<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">TEEP meeting</span><span=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">03/14/2017<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Participants: Nancy Cam-=
Winget, Kathleen Moriarty, Brian Witten, Dave Wheeler, Nick Cook, Mingliang=
 Pei, Rashid Sangi, Tero Kivinen, Jeremy O&#8217;Donoghue, Tirumaleswar Red=
dy, Dapeng Liu, Michael Richardson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Nancy hosted the meeting=
. Ming started to give a summary of use cases and comments by Michael in th=
e mailing list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Michael clarified that h=
e wants to know why a smart door lock needs this where only a trusted envir=
onment is there. We (Brian, Hannes, Ming etc.) discussed that there are sti=
ll needs to define trust where application
 injects TA from insecure side, being network, remote, or update.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">The discussion indicates=
 that we need to better see what the problem the charter tries to solve, wh=
o are stakeholders etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Dave suggested that we d=
on&#8217;t put use cases too close to implementation. Some resource constra=
int devices don&#8217;t have full TEE.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Jeremy noted that some a=
udiences don&#8217;t all know TEE. Hannes will introduce TEE in the BoF. To=
 this note, Hannes prefers someone from Intel to introduce Intel SGX.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Nancy summarized two ask=
s so far: introduction of TEE to set stage, and secondly show why the work =
needs to be done in IETF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Nancy raised a personal =
view that we shouldn&#8217;t prescribe hardware architecture, and even ther=
e must be a hardware required to isolate. Some research has been using SW f=
or isolation. People agree that this should
 be independent of hardware, ARM or Intel (SGX). On the requirement of hard=
ware, this is generally considered yet &#8211; some isolation done by hardw=
are and scope of assumption. We don&#8217;t want to get into a research pro=
ject for the IETF work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Dave from Intel indicate=
d that SGX won&#8217;t have a root of trust at firmware level. Current OTrP=
 assumes a trust from firmware to above. We will need to adjust on this as =
part of the IETF work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Ming noted that we shoul=
d work to define the scope of the spec this charter tries to address. We ca=
nnot leave it too open to solve everything. The current assumption of TEE p=
resence is one. The assumption of hardware
 presence is one. Multiple different TEEs support and hardware independence=
 are basic in scope assumption etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Jeremy raised a need to =
ensure specific interests should be guarded away from this work, and some k=
ind of gate keeper (?). Brian commented to fully concur, and our work wants=
 multiple TEEs, CAs etc. for competition
 and development. This doesn&#8217;t fully address Jeremy&#8217;s question,=
 and we can think more.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Nick suggested that we a=
lso name sample applications that may make use the work while describing us=
e cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">To summarize, we came aw=
ay with the following several planning work for BoF session candidates:<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list=
:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,serif;c=
olor:black"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:black">Clarify charter =
statement during BoF. From the call, not all people agree or have the same =
background with TEE, SGX and so on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-lis=
t:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,serif;c=
olor:black"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:black">Introduction of =
TEE (Hannes, Dave on Intel SGX). A colleague of Dave will be attending BoF.=
 Dave may join remotely.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-lis=
t:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,serif;c=
olor:black"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:black">Drive to define =
problem scope.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-lis=
t:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,serif;c=
olor:black"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:black">Discuss use case=
s that are in scope and those may be not<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-=
space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;col=
or:black"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:black">Discuss applicat=
ions that may make use of the work of this charter, which can provide more =
concrete context.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:=
l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,serif;c=
olor:black"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:black">Discuss stakehol=
ders and protocol architecture<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Action items:<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list=
:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,serif;c=
olor:black"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:black">Dave Wheeler fro=
m Intel provides SGX introduction slide, and prepare to present at BoF by h=
is colleague, and him remotely<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-lis=
t:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,serif;c=
olor:black"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:black">Discuss in maili=
ng list to clarify charter and problem domain scope, use cases.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:=
l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,serif;c=
olor:black"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:black">Discuss offline =
to clarify concerns Jeremy raised for openness / gate keepers (?)<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,=
sans-serif;color:black">TEEP &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org">t=
eep-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of &quot;Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncamwing@cisco.com</a>&gt;=
<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 7:08 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">All,</span><span style=3D"color:black">=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">We are about to start the BoF now&#8230=
;.please join the webex if you want to participate.</span><span style=3D"co=
lor:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Thanks!&nbsp; Nancy</span><span style=
=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:=
black">TEEP &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org">teep-bounces@ietf.=
org</a>&gt; on behalf of &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncamwi=
ng@cisco.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncamwing@c=
isco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 5:10 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)</span>=
<span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">All,</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">We had a good majority for Mar 15<sup>th</sup> 7am PST (3pm C=
ET, 10pm CST);&nbsp; I&#8217;ve setup a webex for that time slot</span><spa=
n style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Please see info below.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Please send us agenda items for the upcoming call.</span><spa=
n style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Thanks, Nancy</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">JOIN WEBEX MEETING</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
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;color:black"><a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?MTID=3Dme=
9216d73c5905ad78110499a8c7c12bf">https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?M=
TID=3Dme9216d73c5905ad78110499a8c7c12bf</a></span><span style=3D"color:blac=
k"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;color:black">Meeting number (access code): 207 779 570</span><span style=
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;color:black">Meeting password: KEQ52p3W (53752739 from phones)</span><span=
 style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
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;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
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;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
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;color:black">JOIN FROM A VIDEO SYSTEM OR APPLICATION</span><span style=3D"=
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;color:black">Dial sip:<a href=3D"mailto:207779570@cisco.webex.com">2077795=
70@cisco.webex.com</a></span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">From the Cisco internal network, dial *267* and the 9-digit m=
eeting number.&nbsp;&nbsp;If you are the host, enter your PIN when prompted=
.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
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;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
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;color:black">JOIN BY PHONE</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
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;color:black">&#43;1-408-525-6800 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)</span><sp=
an style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;color:black">&#43;1-866-432-9903 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada)</spa=
n><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Global call-in numbers:</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black"><a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/globalcallin.ph=
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;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Toll-free dialing restrictions:
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black"><a href=3D"https://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pd=
f">https://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf</a></span><span styl=
e=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
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;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
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;color:black">Can't join the meeting?</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:=
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;color:black"><a href=3D"https://help.webex.com/docs/DOC-5412">https://help=
.webex.com/docs/DOC-5412</a></span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
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;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
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Hi Dave,

Thank you very much for your clarification. It is great to have your precis=
e elaboration :) I see the subtle difference you meant here. The root of tr=
ust should be detached from secure boot, allowing certain flexibility for d=
ifferent TEE models. We should and will consider this good point in the spe=
c update. Thank you again for helping on the view point.

Ming

From: TEEP <teep-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of "Wheeler, David M" <david.m.wheeler@intel.com<mailto:david.m.wheeler@int=
el.com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 12:14 PM
To: "teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.org>" <teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.o=
rg>>
Subject: Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)

Mingliang,
Thanks for taking the notes. It is so hard to do so while also participatin=
g in the conversation.
I have a correction to the minutes for the statement:
> Dave from Intel indicated that SGX won=92t have a root of trust at firmwa=
re level. Current OTrP > > assumes a trust from firmware to above. We will =
need to adjust on this as part of the IETF work.

Apologies for not being clear. SGX does in fact have attestation root in th=
e Silicon/Hardware. At some level one would attest to the microcode on the =
CPU.
However, the OTrP specification ties attestation to the Secure Boot firmwar=
e of the device. This is very specific, and very different from SGX (and ot=
her TEEs).

See definition =93Secure Boot Module=94 (SBM) page 7, section 3.1

In TrustZone, it is important that the boot of the device be trusted so tha=
t the security monitor and (if there is one) the RTOS in the security world=
, is trusted. This trust is established during boot of the device, and such=
 trust in the TEE is inextricably linked to the boot of the device. This is=
 perfectly fine. Intel has some hypervisor TEEs that work in exactly the sa=
me way.

However, this is not the only way a TEE can be established, and there are d=
ifferent trusted execution environments that are not burdened with trust li=
nked to the boot of the device. The definition of trusted firmware and the =
root of trust being linked to the secure boot of the device is implementati=
on-specific, and should be changed. We need a broader definition of root-of=
-trust.

Thanks for allowing me to better explain my position.

Dave Wheeler

From: TEEP [mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mingliang Pei
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:44 AM
To: Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) <ncamwing@cisco.com<mailto:ncamwing@cisco.c=
om>>; teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)

Meeting minutes for today=92s call. Please correct or update if I have miss=
ed some major points. Thanks, Ming

=97=97=97=97

TEEP meeting
03/14/2017

Participants: Nancy Cam-Winget, Kathleen Moriarty, Brian Witten, Dave Wheel=
er, Nick Cook, Mingliang Pei, Rashid Sangi, Tero Kivinen, Jeremy O=92Donogh=
ue, Tirumaleswar Reddy, Dapeng Liu, Michael Richardson

Nancy hosted the meeting. Ming started to give a summary of use cases and c=
omments by Michael in the mailing list.

Michael clarified that he wants to know why a smart door lock needs this wh=
ere only a trusted environment is there. We (Brian, Hannes, Ming etc.) disc=
ussed that there are still needs to define trust where application injects =
TA from insecure side, being network, remote, or update.

The discussion indicates that we need to better see what the problem the ch=
arter tries to solve, who are stakeholders etc.

Dave suggested that we don=92t put use cases too close to implementation. S=
ome resource constraint devices don=92t have full TEE.

Jeremy noted that some audiences don=92t all know TEE. Hannes will introduc=
e TEE in the BoF. To this note, Hannes prefers someone from Intel to introd=
uce Intel SGX.

Nancy summarized two asks so far: introduction of TEE to set stage, and sec=
ondly show why the work needs to be done in IETF.

Nancy raised a personal view that we shouldn=92t prescribe hardware archite=
cture, and even there must be a hardware required to isolate. Some research=
 has been using SW for isolation. People agree that this should be independ=
ent of hardware, ARM or Intel (SGX). On the requirement of hardware, this i=
s generally considered yet =96 some isolation done by hardware and scope of=
 assumption. We don=92t want to get into a research project for the IETF wo=
rk.

Dave from Intel indicated that SGX won=92t have a root of trust at firmware=
 level. Current OTrP assumes a trust from firmware to above. We will need t=
o adjust on this as part of the IETF work.

Ming noted that we should work to define the scope of the spec this charter=
 tries to address. We cannot leave it too open to solve everything. The cur=
rent assumption of TEE presence is one. The assumption of hardware presence=
 is one. Multiple different TEEs support and hardware independence are basi=
c in scope assumption etc.

Jeremy raised a need to ensure specific interests should be guarded away fr=
om this work, and some kind of gate keeper (?). Brian commented to fully co=
ncur, and our work wants multiple TEEs, CAs etc. for competition and develo=
pment. This doesn=92t fully address Jeremy=92s question, and we can think m=
ore.

Nick suggested that we also name sample applications that may make use the =
work while describing use cases.

To summarize, we came away with the following several planning work for BoF=
 session candidates:


-        Clarify charter statement during BoF. From the call, not all peopl=
e agree or have the same background with TEE, SGX and so on.

-        Introduction of TEE (Hannes, Dave on Intel SGX). A colleague of Da=
ve will be attending BoF. Dave may join remotely.

-        Drive to define problem scope.

-        Discuss use cases that are in scope and those may be not

o   Discuss applications that may make use of the work of this charter, whi=
ch can provide more concrete context.

-        Discuss stakeholders and protocol architecture

Action items:

-        Dave Wheeler from Intel provides SGX introduction slide, and prepa=
re to present at BoF by his colleague, and him remotely

-        Discuss in mailing list to clarify charter and problem domain scop=
e, use cases.

-        Discuss offline to clarify concerns Jeremy raised for openness / g=
ate keepers (?)


From: TEEP <teep-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" <ncamwing@cisco.com<mailto:ncamwing@cisco.=
com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 7:08 AM
To: "teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.org>" <teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.o=
rg>>
Subject: Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)

All,

We are about to start the BoF now=85.please join the webex if you want to p=
articipate.

Thanks!  Nancy

From: TEEP <teep-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of "ncamwing@cisco.com<mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com>" <ncamwing@cisco.com<mail=
to:ncamwing@cisco.com>>
Date: Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 5:10 PM
To: "teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.org>" <teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.o=
rg>>
Subject: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)

All,
We had a good majority for Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST);  I=92ve se=
tup a webex for that time slot
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Please send us agenda items for the upcoming call.

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<div>Hi Dave,</div>
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<div>Thank you very much for your clarification. It is great to have your p=
recise elaboration :) I see the subtle difference you meant here. The root =
of trust should be detached from secure boot, allowing certain flexibility =
for different TEE models. We should
 and will consider this good point in the spec update. Thank you again for =
helping on the view point.</div>
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er, David M&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:david.m.wheeler@intel.com">david.m.=
wheeler@intel.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at =
12:14 PM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ie=
tf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@i=
etf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15=
th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Mingliang,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks for taking the notes. It is so=
 hard to do so while also participating in the conversation.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I have a correction to the minutes fo=
r the statement:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&gt; Dave from Intel ind=
icated that SGX won=92t have a root of trust at firmware level. Current OTr=
P &gt; &gt; assumes a trust from firmware to above. We will need to adjust =
on this as part of the IETF work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Apologies for not being clear. SGX do=
es in fact have attestation root in the Silicon/Hardware. At some level one=
 would attest to the microcode on the CPU.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">However, the OTrP specification ties =
attestation to the Secure Boot firmware of the device. This is very specifi=
c, and very different from SGX (and other TEEs).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">See definition =93Secure Boot Module=
=94 (SBM) page 7, section 3.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In TrustZone, it is important that th=
e boot of the device be trusted so that the security monitor and (if there =
is one) the RTOS in the security world, is trusted.
 This trust is established during boot of the device, and such trust in the=
 TEE is inextricably linked to the boot of the device. This is perfectly fi=
ne. Intel has some hypervisor TEEs that work in exactly the same way.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">However, this is not the only way a T=
EE can be established, and there are different trusted execution environmen=
ts that are not burdened with trust linked to
 the boot of the device. The definition of trusted firmware and the root of=
 trust being linked to the secure boot of the device is implementation-spec=
ific, and should be changed. We need a broader definition of root-of-trust.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks fo=
r allowing me to better explain my position.
<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dave Wheeler<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"_____replyseparator"></a><b><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</spa=
n></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif"> TEEP [<a href=3D"mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:teep-bounces@=
ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mingliang Pei<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco=
.com">ncamwing@cisco.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Meeting minutes for today=92s call. Ple=
ase correct or update if I have missed some major points. Thanks, Ming<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">=97=97=97=97<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">TEEP meeting</span><span=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">03/14/2017<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Participants: Nancy Cam-=
Winget, Kathleen Moriarty, Brian Witten, Dave Wheeler, Nick Cook, Mingliang=
 Pei, Rashid Sangi, Tero Kivinen, Jeremy O=92Donoghue, Tirumaleswar Reddy, =
Dapeng Liu, Michael Richardson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Nancy hosted the meeting=
. Ming started to give a summary of use cases and comments by Michael in th=
e mailing list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Michael clarified that h=
e wants to know why a smart door lock needs this where only a trusted envir=
onment is there. We (Brian, Hannes, Ming etc.) discussed that there are sti=
ll needs to define trust where application
 injects TA from insecure side, being network, remote, or update.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">The discussion indicates=
 that we need to better see what the problem the charter tries to solve, wh=
o are stakeholders etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Dave suggested that we d=
on=92t put use cases too close to implementation. Some resource constraint =
devices don=92t have full TEE.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Jeremy noted that some a=
udiences don=92t all know TEE. Hannes will introduce TEE in the BoF. To thi=
s note, Hannes prefers someone from Intel to introduce Intel SGX.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Nancy summarized two ask=
s so far: introduction of TEE to set stage, and secondly show why the work =
needs to be done in IETF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Nancy raised a personal =
view that we shouldn=92t prescribe hardware architecture, and even there mu=
st be a hardware required to isolate. Some research has been using SW for i=
solation. People agree that this should
 be independent of hardware, ARM or Intel (SGX). On the requirement of hard=
ware, this is generally considered yet =96 some isolation done by hardware =
and scope of assumption. We don=92t want to get into a research project for=
 the IETF work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Dave from Intel indicate=
d that SGX won=92t have a root of trust at firmware level. Current OTrP ass=
umes a trust from firmware to above. We will need to adjust on this as part=
 of the IETF work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Ming noted that we shoul=
d work to define the scope of the spec this charter tries to address. We ca=
nnot leave it too open to solve everything. The current assumption of TEE p=
resence is one. The assumption of hardware
 presence is one. Multiple different TEEs support and hardware independence=
 are basic in scope assumption etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Jeremy raised a need to =
ensure specific interests should be guarded away from this work, and some k=
ind of gate keeper (?). Brian commented to fully concur, and our work wants=
 multiple TEEs, CAs etc. for competition
 and development. This doesn=92t fully address Jeremy=92s question, and we =
can think more.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Nick suggested that we a=
lso name sample applications that may make use the work while describing us=
e cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">To summarize, we came aw=
ay with the following several planning work for BoF session candidates:<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list=
:l0 level1 lfo2">
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ne-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"color:black">Clarify char=
ter statement during BoF. From the call, not all people agree or have the s=
ame background with TEE, SGX and so on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-lis=
t:l0 level1 lfo2">
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;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"color:black">Introduction=
 of TEE (Hannes, Dave on Intel SGX). A colleague of Dave will be attending =
BoF. Dave may join remotely.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-lis=
t:l0 level1 lfo2">
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ormal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line=
-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"color:black">Discuss appl=
ications that may make use of the work of this charter, which can provide m=
ore concrete context.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:=
l0 level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,ser=
if;color:black"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font-style:=
 normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; li=
ne-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"color:black">Discuss stak=
eholders and protocol architecture<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Action items:<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list=
:l0 level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,ser=
if;color:black"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font-style:=
 normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; li=
ne-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"color:black">Dave Wheeler=
 from Intel provides SGX introduction slide, and prepare to present at BoF =
by his colleague, and him remotely<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-lis=
t:l0 level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,ser=
if;color:black"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font-style:=
 normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; li=
ne-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"color:black">Discuss in m=
ailing list to clarify charter and problem domain scope, use cases.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:=
l0 level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,ser=
if;color:black"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font-style:=
 normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; li=
ne-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"color:black">Discuss offl=
ine to clarify concerns Jeremy raised for openness / gate keepers (?)<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,=
sans-serif;color:black">TEEP &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org">t=
eep-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of &quot;Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncamwing@cisco.com</a>&gt;=
<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 7:08 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">All,</span><span style=3D"color:black">=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">We are about to start the BoF now=85.pl=
ease join the webex if you want to participate.</span><span style=3D"color:=
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Thanks!&nbsp; Nancy</span><span style=
=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:=
black">TEEP &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org">teep-bounces@ietf.=
org</a>&gt; on behalf of &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncamwi=
ng@cisco.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncamwing@c=
isco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 5:10 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)</span>=
<span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">All,</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">We had a good majority for Mar 15<sup>th</sup> 7am PST (3pm C=
ET, 10pm CST);&nbsp; I=92ve setup a webex for that time slot</span><span st=
yle=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Please see info below.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Please send us agenda items for the upcoming call.</span><spa=
n style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Thanks, Nancy</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">JOIN WEBEX MEETING</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black"><a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?MTID=3Dme=
9216d73c5905ad78110499a8c7c12bf">https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?M=
TID=3Dme9216d73c5905ad78110499a8c7c12bf</a></span><span style=3D"color:blac=
k"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Meeting number (access code): 207 779 570</span><span style=
=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Meeting password: KEQ52p3W (53752739 from phones)</span><span=
 style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">JOIN FROM A VIDEO SYSTEM OR APPLICATION</span><span style=3D"=
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Dial sip:<a href=3D"mailto:207779570@cisco.webex.com">2077795=
70@cisco.webex.com</a></span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">From the Cisco internal network, dial *267* and the 9-digit m=
eeting number.&nbsp;&nbsp;If you are the host, enter your PIN when prompted=
.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">JOIN BY PHONE</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&#43;1-408-525-6800 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)</span><sp=
an style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&#43;1-866-432-9903 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada)</spa=
n><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Global call-in numbers:</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black"><a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/globalcallin.ph=
p?serviceType=3DMC&amp;ED=3D379001592&amp;tollFree=3D1">https://cisco.webex=
.com/ciscosales/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&amp;ED=3D379001592&amp;to=
llFree=3D1</a></span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Toll-free dialing restrictions:
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black"><a href=3D"https://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pd=
f">https://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf</a></span><span styl=
e=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Can't join the meeting?</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black"><a href=3D"https://help.webex.com/docs/DOC-5412">https://help=
.webex.com/docs/DOC-5412</a></span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx service allows =
audio and other information sent during the session to be recorded, which m=
ay be discoverable in a legal matter.
 By joining this session, you automatically consent to such recordings. If =
you do not consent to being recorded, discuss your concerns with the host o=
r do not join the session.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black=
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That you Nancy for the addition. On participants, I had Henk first and some=
how missed in the copy. Ming

From: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" <ncamwing@cisco.com<mailto:ncamwing@cis=
co.com>>
Date: Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 11:36 AM
To: Mingliang Pei <mingliang_pei@symantec.com<mailto:mingliang_pei@symantec=
.com>>, "teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.org>" <teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)

Hi Ming,
Many thanks for taking and providing the notes for today=92s prep call!

I have a couple of additions to make below:

From: Mingliang Pei <Mingliang_Pei@symantec.com<mailto:Mingliang_Pei@symant=
ec.com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 9:44 AM
To: "ncamwing@cisco.com<mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com>" <ncamwing@cisco.com<mai=
lto:ncamwing@cisco.com>>, "teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.org>" <teep@ietf.=
org<mailto:teep@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)

Meeting minutes for today=92s call. Please correct or update if I have miss=
ed some major points. Thanks, Ming

=97=97=97=97

TEEP meeting
03/14/2017

Participants: Nancy Cam-Winget, Kathleen Moriarty, Brian Witten, Dave Wheel=
er, Nick Cook, Mingliang Pei, Rashid Sangi, Tero Kivinen, Jeremy O=92Donogh=
ue, Tirumaleswar Reddy, Dapeng Liu, Michael Richardson
 [NCW] Henk Birkholz was also on the call.

Nancy hosted the meeting. Ming started to give a summary of use cases and c=
omments by Michael in the mailing list.

Michael clarified that he wants to know why a smart door lock needs this wh=
ere only a trusted environment is there. We (Brian, Hannes, Ming etc.) disc=
ussed that there are still needs to define trust where application injects =
TA from insecure side, being network, remote, or update.

The discussion indicates that we need to better see what the problem the ch=
arter tries to solve, who are stakeholders etc.

Dave suggested that we don=92t put use cases too close to implementation. S=
ome resource constraint devices don=92t have full TEE.

Jeremy noted that some audiences don=92t all know TEE. Hannes will introduc=
e TEE in the BoF. To this note, Hannes prefers someone from Intel to introd=
uce Intel SGX.

Nancy summarized two asks so far: introduction of TEE to set stage, and sec=
ondly show why the work needs to be done in IETF.

Nancy raised a personal view that we shouldn=92t prescribe hardware archite=
cture, and even there must be a hardware required to isolate. Some research=
 has been using SW for isolation. People agree that this should be independ=
ent of hardware, ARM or Intel (SGX). On the requirement of hardware, this i=
s generally considered yet =96 some isolation done by hardware and scope of=
 assumption. We don=92t want to get into a research project for the IETF wo=
rk.
[NCW] My point on this was to raise 2 points: ensuring that the interfaces =
and protocols are hardware agnostic, and to the security aspects, how can a=
ssurance (or acknowledgement or attestation?) be provided that there is a t=
rue hardware based isolation.
I believe Henk also raised some points about the need for such attestation.

Dave from Intel indicated that SGX won=92t have a root of trust at firmware=
 level. Current OTrP assumes a trust from firmware to above. We will need t=
o adjust on this as part of the IETF work.

Ming noted that we should work to define the scope of the spec this charter=
 tries to address. We cannot leave it too open to solve everything. The cur=
rent assumption of TEE presence is one. The assumption of hardware presence=
 is one. Multiple different TEEs support and hardware independence are basi=
c in scope assumption etc.

Jeremy raised a need to ensure specific interests should be guarded away fr=
om this work, and some kind of gate keeper (?). Brian commented to fully co=
ncur, and our work wants multiple TEEs, CAs etc. for competition and develo=
pment. This doesn=92t fully address Jeremy=92s question, and we can think m=
ore.

Nick suggested that we also name sample applications that may make use the =
work while describing use cases.

To summarize, we came away with the following several planning work for BoF=
 session candidates:


-          Clarify charter statement during BoF. From the call, not all peo=
ple agree or have the same background with TEE, SGX and so on.

-          Introduction of TEE (Hannes, Dave on Intel SGX). A colleague of =
Dave will be attending BoF. Dave may join remotely.

-          Drive to define problem scope.

-          Discuss use cases that are in scope and those may be not

o   Discuss applications that may make use of the work of this charter, whi=
ch can provide more concrete context.

-          Discuss stakeholders and protocol architecture

-          [NCW] Shaping what a charter might look like (I think Hannes may=
 also start providing a template for this)

Action items:

-          Dave Wheeler from Intel provides SGX introduction slide, and pre=
pare to present at BoF by his colleague, and him remotely

-          Discuss in mailing list to clarify charter and problem domain sc=
ope, use cases.

-          Discuss offline to clarify concerns Jeremy raised for openness /=
 gate keepers (?)


From: TEEP <teep-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" <ncamwing@cisco.com<mailto:ncamwing@cisco.=
com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 7:08 AM
To: "teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.org>" <teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.o=
rg>>
Subject: Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)

All,

We are about to start the BoF now=85.please join the webex if you want to p=
articipate.

Thanks!  Nancy

From: TEEP <teep-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of "ncamwing@cisco.com<mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com>" <ncamwing@cisco.com<mail=
to:ncamwing@cisco.com>>
Date: Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 5:10 PM
To: "teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.org>" <teep@ietf.org<mailto:teep@ietf.o=
rg>>
Subject: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)

All,
We had a good majority for Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST);  I=92ve se=
tup a webex for that time slot
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Please send us agenda items for the upcoming call.

Thanks, Nancy



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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>&quot;Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamw=
ing)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncamwing@cisco.com</a>=
&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 1=
1:36 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>Mingliang Pei &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:mingliang_pei@symantec.com">mingliang_pei@symantec.com</a>&gt;, &quot;=
<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15=
th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>Hi Ming,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>Many thanks for taking and providing the notes for today=92s prep call!<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>I have a couple of additions to make below:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">F=
rom: </span>
</b><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">Mingliang Pei &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:Mingliang_Pei@symantec.com">Mingliang_Pei@symantec.com</a>&gt;=
<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 9:44 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncamwing@cisco.com</=
a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncamwing@cisco.com</a>&g=
t;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Meeting minutes for today=92s call. Please correct o=
r update if I have missed some major points. Thanks, Ming<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=97=97=97=97<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">TEEP meeting<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri"><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">03/14/2017<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Participants: Nancy Cam-Winget, Kathleen Moriarty, B=
rian Witten, Dave Wheeler, Nick Cook, Mingliang Pei, Rashid Sangi, Tero Kiv=
inen, Jeremy O=92Donoghue, Tirumaleswar Reddy, Dapeng Liu, Michael Richards=
on<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<span style=3D"color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfil=
l-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">[NCW] Henk Birkh=
olz was also on the call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill=
-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nancy hosted the meeting. Ming started to give a sum=
mary of use cases and comments by Michael in the mailing list.<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Michael clarified that he wants to know why a smart =
door lock needs this where only a trusted environment is there. We (Brian, =
Hannes, Ming etc.) discussed that there are still needs to define trust whe=
re application injects TA from insecure
 side, being network, remote, or update.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The discussion indicates that we need to better see =
what the problem the charter tries to solve, who are stakeholders etc.<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dave suggested that we don=92t put use cases too clo=
se to implementation. Some resource constraint devices don=92t have full TE=
E.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jeremy noted that some audiences don=92t all know TE=
E. Hannes will introduce TEE in the BoF. To this note, Hannes prefers someo=
ne from Intel to introduce Intel SGX.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nancy summarized two asks so far: introduction of TE=
E to set stage, and secondly show why the work needs to be done in IETF.<o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nancy raised a personal view that we shouldn=92t pre=
scribe hardware architecture, and even there must be a hardware required to=
 isolate. Some research has been using SW for isolation. People agree that =
this should be independent of hardware,
 ARM or Intel (SGX). On the requirement of hardware, this is generally cons=
idered yet =96 some isolation done by hardware and scope of assumption. We =
don=92t want to get into a research project for the IETF work.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill=
-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">[NCW] My point on this=
 was to raise 2 points: ensuring that the interfaces and protocols are hard=
ware agnostic, and to the security aspects,
 how can assurance (or acknowledgement or attestation?) be provided that th=
ere is a true hardware based isolation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill=
-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">I believe Henk also ra=
ised some points about the need for such attestation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dave from Intel indicated that SGX won=92t have a ro=
ot of trust at firmware level. Current OTrP assumes a trust from firmware t=
o above. We will need to adjust on this as part of the IETF work.<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ming noted that we should work to define the scope o=
f the spec this charter tries to address. We cannot leave it too open to so=
lve everything. The current assumption of TEE presence is one. The assumpti=
on of hardware presence is one. Multiple
 different TEEs support and hardware independence are basic in scope assump=
tion etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jeremy raised a need to ensure specific interests sh=
ould be guarded away from this work, and some kind of gate keeper (?). Bria=
n commented to fully concur, and our work wants multiple TEEs, CAs etc. for=
 competition and development. This
 doesn=92t fully address Jeremy=92s question, and we can think more.<o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nick suggested that we also name sample applications=
 that may make use the work while describing use cases.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To summarize, we came away with the following severa=
l planning work for BoF session candidates:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list=
:l0 level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-family:Cambria"><span style=3D=
"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: no=
rmal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family=
: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Clarify charter statement during BoF. Fr=
om the call, not all people agree or have the same background with TEE, SGX=
 and so on.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-lis=
t:l0 level1 lfo2">
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: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Introduction of TEE (Hannes, Dave on Int=
el SGX). A colleague of Dave will be attending BoF. Dave may join remotely.=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-lis=
t:l0 level1 lfo2">
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"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: no=
rmal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family=
: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Drive to define problem scope.<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-lis=
t:l0 level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-family:Cambria"><span style=3D=
"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: no=
rmal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family=
: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Discuss use cases that are in scope and =
those may be not<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-=
space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=
"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-=
variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: nor=
mal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Discuss applications that may make use o=
f the work of this charter, which can provide more concrete context.<o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-lis=
t:l0 level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-family:Cambria"><span style=3D=
"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: no=
rmal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family=
: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Discuss stakeholders and protocol archit=
ecture<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:=
l0 level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-family:Cambria"><span style=3D=
"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: no=
rmal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family=
: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"color:#2E75B6;mso-style-t=
extfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">[NCW] Shap=
ing what a charter might look like (I think Hannes may also start providing=
 a template for this)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Action items:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list=
:l0 level1 lfo2">
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"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: no=
rmal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family=
: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Dave Wheeler from Intel provides SGX int=
roduction slide, and prepare to present at BoF by his colleague, and him re=
motely<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-lis=
t:l0 level1 lfo2">
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: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Discuss in mailing list to clarify chart=
er and problem domain scope, use cases.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:=
l0 level1 lfo2">
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: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Discuss offline to clarify concerns Jere=
my raised for openness / gate keepers (?)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calib=
ri;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"=
>TEEP &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teep-bounces@ietf.org">teep-bounces@ietf.org</a=
>&gt; on behalf of &quot;Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncamwing@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 7:08 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>We are about to start the BoF now=85.please join the webex if you want to =
participate.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>Thanks!&nbsp; Nancy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">F=
rom: </span>
</b><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;color:black">TEEP &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:teep-bounces@ietf.org">teep-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of &quot=
;<a href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncamwing@cisco.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncamwing@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 5:10 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teep@ietf.org">teep@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Teep] BoF call Mar 15th 7am PST (3pm CET, 10pm CST)</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">We had a good majority for Mar 15<sup>th</sup> 7am PST (3pm C=
ET, 10pm CST);&nbsp; I=92ve setup a webex for that time slot</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Please see info below.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Please send us agenda items for the upcoming call.</span><o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Thanks, Nancy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">JOIN WEBEX MEETING</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black"><a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?MTID=3Dme=
9216d73c5905ad78110499a8c7c12bf">https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?M=
TID=3Dme9216d73c5905ad78110499a8c7c12bf</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Meeting number (access code): 207 779 570</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Meeting password: KEQ52p3W (53752739 from phones)</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">JOIN FROM A VIDEO SYSTEM OR APPLICATION</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Dial sip:<a href=3D"mailto:207779570@cisco.webex.com">2077795=
70@cisco.webex.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">From the Cisco internal network, dial *267* and the 9-digit m=
eeting number.&nbsp;&nbsp;If you are the host, enter your PIN when prompted=
.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">JOIN BY PHONE</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&#43;1-408-525-6800 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&#43;1-866-432-9903 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada)</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Global call-in numbers:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black"><a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/globalcallin.ph=
p?serviceType=3DMC&amp;ED=3D379001592&amp;tollFree=3D1">https://cisco.webex=
.com/ciscosales/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&amp;ED=3D379001592&amp;to=
llFree=3D1</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Toll-free dialing restrictions:
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black"><a href=3D"https://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pd=
f">https://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf</a></span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">Can't join the meeting?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black"><a href=3D"https://help.webex.com/docs/DOC-5412">https://help=
.webex.com/docs/DOC-5412</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx service allows =
audio and other information sent during the session to be recorded, which m=
ay be discoverable in a legal matter.
 By joining this session, you automatically consent to such recordings. If =
you do not consent to being recorded, discuss your concerns with the host o=
r do not join the session.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas=
;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"=
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Hi Nancy, Hi Tero,

For the TEEP BOF I was thinking about the following agenda:


*         Problem Statement and Background Info on Trusted Execution Enviro=
nments (15 minutes -- Hannes)

o   ARM-based TEE Implementation Example (5 minutes -- Hannes)

o   Intel-based TEE Implementation Example (5 minutes - David/remote)

*         Use Cases (15 minutes -- Dapeng)

*         Architecture (20 minutes -- Ming)

*         Charter Discussion (Chairs -- 30 minutes)

How does this sound?

Ciao
Hannes

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Nancy, Hi Tero, &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">For the TEEP BOF I was thinking about the following =
agenda: &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]>Problem Statement and Background Info on Tru=
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</span></span></span><![endif]>ARM-based TEE Implementation Example (5 minu=
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</span></span></span><![endif]>Intel-based TEE Implementation Example (5 mi=
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</span></span></span><![endif]>Use Cases (15 minutes -- Dapeng)<o:p></o:p><=
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an&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]>Architecture (20 minutes -- Ming) <o:p></o:p=
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</span></span></span><![endif]>Charter Discussion (Chairs -- 30 minutes) <o=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How does this sound? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ciao<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hannes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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From: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" <ncamwing@cisco.com>
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Thread-Topic: [Teep] Teep Agenda Proposal
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I have no comment on the agenda itself, but it needs to be posted so =
that people browsing the IETF 98 agendas can click on it. You can change =
the agenda if it changes.

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Hi Jari,

I am not a BOF chair and hence I cannot upload anything.

Ciao
Hannes

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I have no comment on the agenda itself, but it needs to be posted so that p=
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All,
Please find attached the slides I can present at the meeting this afternoon=
. However, I have not found a dial-in number.
If someone can please forward the dial-in information to me via email, that=
 would be fantastic.

Thanks,
David M. Wheeler
CISSP CSSLP GSLC GREM
Principal Engineer, IoT Security Architecture

o: 503.712.5776

In some ways, you can think of end-to-end encryption as honoring what the p=
ast looked like.
                     Jan Koum, founder WhatsApp

Everyone is a proponent of strong encryption [ for their own private data ]=
.
                     Dorthy Denning, Respected Information Security Pioneer


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If someone can please forward the dial-in informatio=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hello,

Here is the information for remote participation per the last message
on list (changing subject).

https://ietf.org/meeting/98/remote-participation.html

There is a form to fill out for remote presenters on that link, so
hopefully that was done already.  If you plan to present remotely,
please test your connection prior to the start of the session with
meetecho.

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Thanks for sharing the pointer to remote participation.

I would also like to point out that those who are unable to participate can=
 still express their support by just posting a message to the list. Due to =
the timezone difference participation for our friends in Asia is more than =
inconvenient.

Ciao
Hannes

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Subject: [Teep] Remote paticipation

Hello,

Here is the information for remote participation per the last message on li=
st (changing subject).

https://ietf.org/meeting/98/remote-participation.html

There is a form to fill out for remote presenters on that link, so hopefull=
y that was done already.  If you plan to present remotely, please test your=
 connection prior to the start of the session with meetecho.

Thank you,
Kathleen
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Hi all,

I thought I should put a first draft for the agenda together.

In a nutshell I described the scope of the work without going too far into =
the details. Then, I particularly point out the desire to support different=
 flavours of TEEs and to focus on a public key-based solution only. Then, I=
 go on describing the two main milestones, namely an architecture document =
and the actual protocol document. Finally, I believe it is important to men=
tion that we will maintain a close relationship with GlobalPlatform.

The milestones list the expected adoption dates, the dates for submission o=
f publication of these documents to the IESG, and also the plan to particip=
ate in Hackathons and to do an interop event.

What do others think?

Ciao
Hannes

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TEEP -- A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement Cha=
rter

The Trusted Execution Environment (TEE) is a secure area of the main proces=
sor. The TEE, as an isolated execution environment, provides security featu=
res, such as isolated execution, integrity of Trusted Applications along wi=
th confidentiality of their assets. In general terms, the TEE offers an exe=
cution space that provides a higher level of security than a "rich" operati=
ng system and more functionality than a secure element. Implementations of =
the TEE concept have been developed by ARM, and Intel using the TrustZone a=
nd the SGX technology, respectively.

To programmatically install, update, and delete applications running in the=
 TEE requires a protocol that runs between a client implementation running =
inside the TEE, a relay application on the rich operating system and a serv=
er-side infrastructure maintaining the applications. Since such management =
tasks are security sensitive where the server side requires information abo=
ut the device capabilities (in form of attestation), the client-side demand=
s server-side authentication, and privacy considerations have to be taken i=
nto account.

This working group aims to develop an application layer protocol providing =
TEEs with the following functionality,
 * management of trusted applications,
 * attestation, and
 * security domain management (which provides a logical space that contains=
 the service provider's applications).

The solution approach must take a wide range of TEE technologies into accou=
nt and will focus on the use of public key cryptography.

The group will produce the following deliverables. First, an architecture d=
ocument describing the involved entities, their relationships, assumptions,=
 the keying framework and relevant use cases. Second, a solution document t=
hat describes the above-described functionality. The use of the best possib=
le encoding format will be decided in the working group. The group may docu=
ment several attestation technologies considering the different hardware ca=
pabilities, performance, privacy and operational properties.

The group will maintain a close relationship with the GlobalPlatform to ens=
ure proper use of existing TEE-relevant application layer interfaces and ot=
her abstractions used by GlobalPlatform-compliant TEE devices.

Milestones

Aug 2017     Submit "TEEP Architecture" document as WG item.

Oct 2017     Submit "TEEP Protocol" document as WG item.

Nov 2017     Participation in the IETF #100 Hackathon to work on the TEEP P=
rotocol.

Dec 2017     Submit "TEEP Architecture" to the IESG for publication as an I=
nformational RFC.

Mar 2017     Organization of an interoperability event at IETF #101.

Apr 2017     Submit "TEEP Protocol" to the IESG for publication as a Propos=
ed Standard.

[1] Wikipedia, 'Trusted execution environment', URL: https://en.wikipedia.o=
rg/wiki/Trusted_execution_environment (March 2017).
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Hannes,
Thanks for drafting this. I look forward to great discussions around this t=
opic. I have made some modifications below.

I have made the following types of modifications:
* a protocol is not required in every case, therefore, a protocol may be ad=
vantageous to the marketplace (but not a requirement)
	a standard protocol will ease portability, create a level playing field/ac=
cess for different TEEs, and=20
	increase adoption for more secure devices
* a relay application on the rich OS side is not required - what is require=
d is some service access onto the network stack for communications
	It is possible for some TEEs to provide trusted stacks - a service access =
point must be accessible to protocol entities outside the device
* the server side architecture interacts with the application, but maintena=
nce of the app is optional
* discovery of actual TEE capabilities is important as well

I think security domains is an area for discussion, so I leave that alone. =
But hope to have more discussions and a better understanding of the require=
ments around SDs in the future.

It might be useful to discuss other potential standards groups that we shou=
ld be aligned with, especially in the IoT space.

Thanks,
Dave Wheeler

--------

TEEP -- A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement Cha=
rter

The Trusted Execution Environment (TEE) is a secure area of the main proces=
sor. The TEE, as an isolated execution environment, provides security featu=
res, such as isolated execution, integrity of Trusted Applications along wi=
th confidentiality of their assets. In general terms, the TEE offers an exe=
cution space that provides a higher level of security than a "rich" operati=
ng system and more functionality than a secure element. Implementations of =
the TEE concept have been developed by ARM, and Intel using the TrustZone a=
nd the SGX technology, respectively.

[It may be advantageous to build the marketplace to have a protocol that su=
pports] programmatically install, update, and delete applications running i=
n the TEE. [ This ] protocol runs between a [trusted service] running [with=
in] the TEE, a relay application [or service access point on the device's n=
etwork stack ] and a server-side infrastructure [ that interacts with and o=
ptionally maintains ] the applications. Since [ some tasks ( such as manage=
ment tasks) ] are security sensitive where the server side requires informa=
tion about the device capabilities (in form of attestation), the client-sid=
e demands server-side authentication, and privacy considerations have to be=
 taken into account.

This working group aims to develop an application layer protocol providing =
TEEs with the following functionality,
 * discovery of TEE capabilities
 * management of trusted applications,
 * attestation, and
 * security domain management (which provides a logical space that contains=
 the service provider's applications).

The solution approach must take a wide range of TEE technologies into accou=
nt and will focus on the use of public key cryptography.

The group will produce the following deliverables. First, an architecture d=
ocument describing the involved entities, their relationships, assumptions,=
 the keying framework and relevant use cases. Second, a solution document t=
hat describes the above-described functionality. The use of the best possib=
le encoding format will be decided in the working group. The group may docu=
ment several attestation technologies considering the different hardware ca=
pabilities, performance, privacy and operational properties.

The group will maintain a close relationship with the GlobalPlatform to ens=
ure proper use of existing TEE-relevant application layer interfaces and ot=
her abstractions used by GlobalPlatform-compliant TEE devices.

Milestones

Aug 2017     Submit "TEEP Architecture" document as WG item.

Oct 2017     Submit "TEEP Protocol" document as WG item.

Nov 2017     Participation in the IETF #100 Hackathon to work on the TEEP P=
rotocol.

Dec 2017     Submit "TEEP Architecture" to the IESG for publication as an I=
nformational RFC.

Mar 2017     Organization of an interoperability event at IETF #101.

Apr 2017     Submit "TEEP Protocol" to the IESG for publication as a Propos=
ed Standard.

[1] Wikipedia, 'Trusted execution environment', URL: https://en.wikipedia.o=
rg/wiki/Trusted_execution_environment (March 2017).
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Thanks, David. Those are indeed useful suggestions. Your presentation today=
 at the BOF also clarified some of these points and now make much more sens=
e to me.

Let me try to incorporate your suggestions to see how well the text reads a=
nd whether it makes sense to others.

Ciao
Hannes

-----Original Message-----
From: Wheeler, David M [mailto:david.m.wheeler@intel.com]
Sent: 28 March 2017 14:18
To: Hannes Tschofenig; teep@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Charter strawman proposal

Hannes,
Thanks for drafting this. I look forward to great discussions around this t=
opic. I have made some modifications below.

I have made the following types of modifications:
* a protocol is not required in every case, therefore, a protocol may be ad=
vantageous to the marketplace (but not a requirement)
a standard protocol will ease portability, create a level playing field/acc=
ess for different TEEs, and
increase adoption for more secure devices
* a relay application on the rich OS side is not required - what is require=
d is some service access onto the network stack for communications
It is possible for some TEEs to provide trusted stacks - a service access p=
oint must be accessible to protocol entities outside the device
* the server side architecture interacts with the application, but maintena=
nce of the app is optional
* discovery of actual TEE capabilities is important as well

I think security domains is an area for discussion, so I leave that alone. =
But hope to have more discussions and a better understanding of the require=
ments around SDs in the future.

It might be useful to discuss other potential standards groups that we shou=
ld be aligned with, especially in the IoT space.

Thanks,
Dave Wheeler

--------

TEEP -- A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement Cha=
rter

The Trusted Execution Environment (TEE) is a secure area of the main proces=
sor. The TEE, as an isolated execution environment, provides security featu=
res, such as isolated execution, integrity of Trusted Applications along wi=
th confidentiality of their assets. In general terms, the TEE offers an exe=
cution space that provides a higher level of security than a "rich" operati=
ng system and more functionality than a secure element. Implementations of =
the TEE concept have been developed by ARM, and Intel using the TrustZone a=
nd the SGX technology, respectively.

[It may be advantageous to build the marketplace to have a protocol that su=
pports] programmatically install, update, and delete applications running i=
n the TEE. [ This ] protocol runs between a [trusted service] running [with=
in] the TEE, a relay application [or service access point on the device's n=
etwork stack ] and a server-side infrastructure [ that interacts with and o=
ptionally maintains ] the applications. Since [ some tasks ( such as manage=
ment tasks) ] are security sensitive where the server side requires informa=
tion about the device capabilities (in form of attestation), the client-sid=
e demands server-side authentication, and privacy considerations have to be=
 taken into account.

This working group aims to develop an application layer protocol providing =
TEEs with the following functionality,
 * discovery of TEE capabilities
 * management of trusted applications,
 * attestation, and
 * security domain management (which provides a logical space that contains=
 the service provider's applications).

The solution approach must take a wide range of TEE technologies into accou=
nt and will focus on the use of public key cryptography.

The group will produce the following deliverables. First, an architecture d=
ocument describing the involved entities, their relationships, assumptions,=
 the keying framework and relevant use cases. Second, a solution document t=
hat describes the above-described functionality. The use of the best possib=
le encoding format will be decided in the working group. The group may docu=
ment several attestation technologies considering the different hardware ca=
pabilities, performance, privacy and operational properties.

The group will maintain a close relationship with the GlobalPlatform to ens=
ure proper use of existing TEE-relevant application layer interfaces and ot=
her abstractions used by GlobalPlatform-compliant TEE devices.

Milestones

Aug 2017     Submit "TEEP Architecture" document as WG item.

Oct 2017     Submit "TEEP Protocol" document as WG item.

Nov 2017     Participation in the IETF #100 Hackathon to work on the TEEP P=
rotocol.

Dec 2017     Submit "TEEP Architecture" to the IESG for publication as an I=
nformational RFC.

Mar 2017     Organization of an interoperability event at IETF #101.

Apr 2017     Submit "TEEP Protocol" to the IESG for publication as a Propos=
ed Standard.

[1] Wikipedia, 'Trusted execution environment', URL: https://en.wikipedia.o=
rg/wiki/Trusted_execution_environment (March 2017).
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Here is the prelminary meeting notes from the teep. Please post
corrections, and additions to me or to the this list.

Thanks for the minutes taker for taking minutes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
TEEP BoF

Chairs introduced themselves.

Hannes began an overview.


Background covered various form of isolation.
Software environments would receive additional code reviews.

TEs that sit along rich execution environments

10,000 foot view includes Rich OS/Linux in the REE and trusted apps
and oses in the TEE all sitting atop a hardware platform.

The terminology comes from other organizations (The Global Platform)

Example: a banking application would want to have access to certain
certificates. Maybe there is a "trusted UI".

This is in home routers and even in the Raspberri Pi

This is a bit more than just a smart card function

The concept extends to the bus and peripherals.

There is a defined message passing interface as an API to transition
internally within the CPU and software stacks to get between different
environments 

It is this transition that is particularly important for this BoF

The concepts have been worked out, and hardware manufacturers have
developed chips that support this architecture. 
But provisioning software in this environment is done today using
proprietary techniques.  There is some fragmentation in the market. 
The uptake of this technology that could be used for different use
cases has been somewhat limited. 

Wouldn't it be great if we had a standard way to install, update, and
delete software? 
We might just need a bit of security around such a process.

And so the specification has a number of security aspects

Mohit: applications have to be provisioned into the DEE.  I'm a
developer sitting in a basement.  Is it only trusted applications that
can have access and what makes an application trusted? 

Hannes: defer to later, but it depends on the hardware.  Raspberri pi
is completely open.  Other environments can be locked down, 

IETF work TBD: A protocol

on the sreen is a slide containing the various entities that are
reflected in the Open Trust Protocol (OTrP) using JSON/JOSE  

there is a bit of back and forth because the TEE needs to authenticate
that it is talking to the right trust application manager. 

The grey arrow in the strawman uses a JSON-based encoding and that is
what we are trying to define here. 

Kent Watson: typically an application might bundle a firmware image.
Would that work here? 

Hannes: target market is mobile phones and tablets, because there is a
lot of hardware in the field.  

Kent Watson: why couldn't use existing mechanisms?

Chair: defer to conversation later, please.

Dapeng Liu: only portions of an application are trusted, and so
sometimes it is useful to update each component separately. 

Hannes: we'll discuss this more later

Envisioned User Experience

App developer uploads the app to the Google store and the trusted app
to the "TAM" (trusted application manager?) 

The system only updates from the TAM when the hardware is there.  And
there is authorization involved in step 3 and 4. 

Hannes then moved on to the ARM TrustZone

Different profiles for different use case.
The BoF is mainly for high power processors, not for light weight stuff
ARM then has its own terminology for some of the terms

David M Wheeler (Intel) next presented remotely

TEE Variations

TEEs are there to provide some form of protection that is not
available in the rich o/s side. 
As the TCB grows there's less and less trust
Otherwise we would use other protections.
There are reasons to want to separate particularly sensitive
operations into a separate container 
He then ran through the list on the slides
How do you prove to other parties that your code is trusted?

type and capability of root of trust
does it attest to just firmware or also code?
Can the TEE be used to derive keying materials?

Anonymity
There are different types of anonymous protocols and algorithms

And then David provided a list of environments they support.

SGX
Instead of having a secure world, you have the ability to set aside
some memory, and then you have the ability through CPU instructions to
establish a TEE.  And it's in the same process space as the process
that launched it. 
Intel supports the concept of delivering app along with the trusted piece.

DaL  Dynamic Application Loader uses a cryptoprocessor that's on the
same dye as the CPU.  If your code is signed by the proper key you can
load applets to that environments, but unlike SGX the apps are not
tied to a single application environments. 

Then on to the obligatory picture diagram
But he nicely summarized this page without delving into detail

Differences between SGX and TrustZone
 - load on demand via special instructions
 - launching process is verified by the launcher.  And the launcher
 operates, in effect, as the "TSM". 
Current architecture has an external TSM.

In SGX we use the root of trust to derive keys for an enclave.  This
creates the ability to bind secrets to both the platform and the
trusted app, 
Sometimes one needs a small O/S to arbitrate between apps.  SGX
provides that separation by default.  Certain protocols are required
in order enable sharing between  
enclaves.

The point is that there are very different models that we might wish
to acccomodate with this work 

Attestation can provide complete anonymity to the application being
attested. 

Then what of the charter?
Supporting different types of TEES as well as multiple both
cooperating and non-cooperating TEEs. 
Privacy is important
Must support validation of TEE trust by cryptographic means
There may not be a need to have an outside manager.
  
Eliot Lear asks David: there may or may not be a need for external
services, can you expand on that?

David: in the case of SGX, trusted app can be embedded in the
untrusted application and delivered as one group to a platform,
current infrastructure and protocols from today can be used 
  
For certain other TEEs a trust protocol may be helpful.  Even though
we can point out cases where a protocol ISN'T necessary, having the
uniform protocol is still a benefit. 

Dapeng Liu

Use cases

Use case 1: Payment

In China there are a lot of mobile payment applications.  The banks
provide the apps and the users can just use their phones.  3rd party
payment providers  may also have autopay services that run on the
user's phone.  We need better and more secure ways.  We're looking for
ways to use the user's fingerprint in a secure way. 

Why not use phone applet?  We need a standard protocol that can
operating between different layers of the ecosystem and can address
different types of the TEE technology. 

Part of this use case involves a secure keyboard application.

Enterprise Authentication

BYOD is very popular, but some enterprise applications may be
sensitive, that include credentials.  How to provide isolation in this
case?  Enterprises need a simple way to install/update/delete the
trusted applications without the help of OEMs. 

TEEP Architecture
Mingliang Pei (Symantec)

Starts off by asking who has seen the draft.  A few hands
Then a nice marketing slide intended to describe the ecosystem.

There are a few high level decisions:
     - Use a PKI (manufacturer-provided kesys and trust anchors)
     - Start with JSON because it is "light weight" and standardized.
     - We introduce an OTrP Agent in REE to relay messages through a standard API.

Device has a single TEE only

Then an architectural overview diagram

Who gets to update the trusted environment?  User gets to decide or ...

Next slide

Messages are signed and encrypted end-to-end

We only need to define trust points; how messages are delivered
between rich and trusted environments is not necessary to standardize
(NOTE TAKER: I may have gotten his meaning wrong here) 

Next a slide on keys
What keys and certs are needed in which part of the solution.

Different regions may use different CAs for for different SPs

The protocol specifically defines trusted messages

Relationship diagram

Protocol flow with a swimming lane diagram
3 phase diagram
Flows allow for signing and encrypting of applications.
Creates a secured domain for a given service provider
Device decrypts, verifies images,  and installs the app.

++++++++

Ben Kaouk:  TE and TSMs have private applications where the user can't
see what's going on.  That leaves open the possibility for a privacy
risk. 

Mingliang: Trusted Application Manager has the charge to deal with this.

PHB: All I want is the ability to do a private key operation.  Going
beyond that doesn't get me much?  Doesn't want a full Turing machine 

Mingliang: Good point

Hannes, responding to Ben: these privacy concerns show up at different
levels.  Attestation releases information by design.  There are
mechanisms to avoid linkability, but there are some pros and cons for
each mechanism.  We should discuss more on the list. 

To PHB's point: we have come up with these technologies because there
is a demand for features more powerful than a SIM card.  For example:
trusted display, trusted input.  These were specific hardware
components that people have demanded.  In the IETF we don't work on
hardware, but having an understanding of the purpose and limitations
of the hardware is useful. 

Yaron Schaffer: how viable is this?  Google and others want to have
very tight control on your device.

Mingliang: there are multiple app stores, and there are some trusted
applications. 

Hannes:  we are working with some companies to prove that this is not
just a research exercise.  There may also be some networking use
cases, maybe with (for example) I2NSF.

Erik Nordmark: the various documents should be openly available.

Mingliang: protocol is a draft.

Erik: are there other things that people would need to have access to
to implement this?

Hannes: for specific hardware you might want some additional code and
documents, and he pointed to some of the documents.  One would
probably use a [device specific] SDK.

Erik: but we might need the information in order to properly design
the protocol.

Erik: what is unique about this protocol that could be used to
updating TEEs versus other enviroments?  Would it be capable of
updating other environments?

Hannes:  could be used for IoT firmware update, and we need an
application layer security mechanism.  Attestation doesn't quite match
with some of the other cases.

Hannes: we replace the whole image.

Hannes: looked at linux distribution mechanisms, but no attestation
concepts.

Chris Nasio, CMU: a lot of shared concepts from TPM.  I've never seen
a CA that validated my TPM chip?  Who's going to do that?

Mingliang: that's a provider question.  This defines a scheme, not who
plays the roles.


Lots of talk about Qualcomm

Chris Nasio: you are asking for a substantial financial commitment
associated with CA management.  Has anyone signed up to write the
check?


Hannes: we are recommending even to our IoT vendors to use secure
credentials that we recommend in general

Mingliang: this is a best practice.  You need a root of trust.

Markus from NCSA: question around the mobile use case: might overlap
with FIDO alliance that is addressing a similar problem.  This is
somewhat wider.

Hannes: folk from FIDO should speak up

???: From the developer perspective it makes sense to lower the
threshold to develop such applications.  From the smartphone vendors'
perspectives will it increase security strength to the users?


AND the Mics are closed

Tero, as chair:
    
Does the group understand the work to be done?
More people hummed yes than no but it was only by a bit.  Not convincing.
How many people are interested in working on this?
about 14-15 people.

Kathleen:
    We'll continue on the list.
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kivinen@iki.fi


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Hi Tero,


Thank you and Jim for the collective notes.


A few updates / comments inline. I used ">> [Ming]" in a line to indicate m=
y comments / additions.

Thanks,


Ming


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Subject: [EXT] [Teep] Preliminary meeting notes

Here is the prelminary meeting notes from the teep. Please post
corrections, and additions to me or to the this list.

Thanks for the minutes taker for taking minutes.
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TEEP BoF

Chairs introduced themselves.

Hannes began an overview.


Background covered various form of isolation.
Software environments would receive additional code reviews.

TEs that sit along rich execution environments

10,000 foot view includes Rich OS/Linux in the REE and trusted apps
and oses in the TEE all sitting atop a hardware platform.

The terminology comes from other organizations (The Global Platform)

Example: a banking application would want to have access to certain
certificates. Maybe there is a "trusted UI".

This is in home routers and even in the Raspberri Pi

This is a bit more than just a smart card function

The concept extends to the bus and peripherals.

There is a defined message passing interface as an API to transition
internally within the CPU and software stacks to get between different
environments

It is this transition that is particularly important for this BoF

The concepts have been worked out, and hardware manufacturers have
developed chips that support this architecture.
But provisioning software in this environment is done today using
proprietary techniques.  There is some fragmentation in the market.
The uptake of this technology that could be used for different use
cases has been somewhat limited.

Wouldn't it be great if we had a standard way to install, update, and
delete software?
We might just need a bit of security around such a process.

And so the specification has a number of security aspects

Mohit: applications have to be provisioned into the DEE.  I'm a
>> [Ming] Change word "DEE" to "TEE" for the intention?

developer sitting in a basement.  Is it only trusted applications that
can have access and what makes an application trusted?

Hannes: defer to later, but it depends on the hardware.  Raspberri pi
is completely open.  Other environments can be locked down,

IETF work TBD: A protocol

on the sreen is a slide containing the various entities that are
reflected in the Open Trust Protocol (OTrP) using JSON/JOSE

there is a bit of back and forth because the TEE needs to authenticate
that it is talking to the right trust application manager.

The grey arrow in the strawman uses a JSON-based encoding and that is
what we are trying to define here.

Kent Watson: typically an application might bundle a firmware image.
Would that work here?

Hannes: target market is mobile phones and tablets, because there is a
lot of hardware in the field.

Kent Watson: why couldn't use existing mechanisms?

Chair: defer to conversation later, please.

Dapeng Liu: only portions of an application are trusted, and so
sometimes it is useful to update each component separately.

Hannes: we'll discuss this more later

Envisioned User Experience

App developer uploads the app to the Google store and the trusted app
to the "TAM" (trusted application manager?)

The system only updates from the TAM when the hardware is there.  And
there is authorization involved in step 3 and 4.

Hannes then moved on to the ARM TrustZone

Different profiles for different use case.
The BoF is mainly for high power processors, not for light weight stuff
ARM then has its own terminology for some of the terms

David M Wheeler (Intel) next presented remotely

TEE Variations

TEEs are there to provide some form of protection that is not
available in the rich o/s side.
As the TCB grows there's less and less trust
Otherwise we would use other protections.
There are reasons to want to separate particularly sensitive
operations into a separate container
He then ran through the list on the slides
How do you prove to other parties that your code is trusted?

type and capability of root of trust
does it attest to just firmware or also code?
Can the TEE be used to derive keying materials?

Anonymity
There are different types of anonymous protocols and algorithms

And then David provided a list of environments they support.

SGX
Instead of having a secure world, you have the ability to set aside
some memory, and then you have the ability through CPU instructions to
establish a TEE.  And it's in the same process space as the process
that launched it.
Intel supports the concept of delivering app along with the trusted piece.

DaL  Dynamic Application Loader uses a cryptoprocessor that's on the
same dye as the CPU.  If your code is signed by the proper key you can
load applets to that environments, but unlike SGX the apps are not
tied to a single application environments.

Then on to the obligatory picture diagram
But he nicely summarized this page without delving into detail

Differences between SGX and TrustZone
 - load on demand via special instructions
 - launching process is verified by the launcher.  And the launcher
 operates, in effect, as the "TSM".
Current architecture has an external TSM.

In SGX we use the root of trust to derive keys for an enclave.  This
creates the ability to bind secrets to both the platform and the
trusted app,
Sometimes one needs a small O/S to arbitrate between apps.  SGX
provides that separation by default.  Certain protocols are required
in order enable sharing between
enclaves.

The point is that there are very different models that we might wish
to acccomodate with this work

Attestation can provide complete anonymity to the application being
attested.

Then what of the charter?
Supporting different types of TEES as well as multiple both
cooperating and non-cooperating TEEs.
Privacy is important
Must support validation of TEE trust by cryptographic means
There may not be a need to have an outside manager.

Eliot Lear asks David: there may or may not be a need for external
services, can you expand on that?

David: in the case of SGX, trusted app can be embedded in the
untrusted application and delivered as one group to a platform,
current infrastructure and protocols from today can be used

For certain other TEEs a trust protocol may be helpful.  Even though
we can point out cases where a protocol ISN'T necessary, having the
uniform protocol is still a benefit.

Dapeng Liu

Use cases

Use case 1: Payment

In China there are a lot of mobile payment applications.  The banks
provide the apps and the users can just use their phones.  3rd party
payment providers  may also have autopay services that run on the
user's phone.  We need better and more secure ways.  We're looking for
ways to use the user's fingerprint in a secure way.

Why not use phone applet?  We need a standard protocol that can
operating between different layers of the ecosystem and can address
different types of the TEE technology.

Part of this use case involves a secure keyboard application.

Enterprise Authentication

BYOD is very popular, but some enterprise applications may be
sensitive, that include credentials.  How to provide isolation in this
case?  Enterprises need a simple way to install/update/delete the
trusted applications without the help of OEMs.

TEEP Architecture
Mingliang Pei (Symantec)

Starts off by asking who has seen the draft.  A few hands
Then a nice marketing slide intended to describe the ecosystem.

There are a few high level decisions:
     - Use a PKI (manufacturer-provided kesys and trust anchors)
     - Start with JSON because it is "light weight" and standardized.
     - We introduce an OTrP Agent in REE to relay messages through a standa=
rd API.

Device has a single TEE only

Then an architectural overview diagram

Who gets to update the trusted environment?  User gets to decide or ...

Next slide

Messages are signed and encrypted end-to-end

We only need to define trust points; how messages are delivered
between rich and trusted environments is not necessary to standardize
(NOTE TAKER: I may have gotten his meaning wrong here)
>> [Ming] We only need to define trust establishment information; how messa=
ges are delivered via a network between rich and TAM is not necessary to st=
andardize

Next a slide on keys
What keys and certs are needed in which part of the solution.

Different regions may use different CAs for for different SPs

The protocol specifically defines trusted messages

Relationship diagram

Protocol flow with a swimming lane diagram
3 phase diagram
Flows allow for signing and encrypting of applications.
Creates a secured domain for a given service provider
Device decrypts, verifies images,  and installs the app.

++++++++

Ben Kaouk:  TE and TSMs have private applications where the user can't
see what's going on.  That leaves open the possibility for a privacy
risk.

Mingliang: Trusted Application Manager has the charge to deal with this.
>> [Ming] "has the charge" --> "has the scheme to deal with this", "and pri=
vacy was an important part in the protocol design."

PHB: All I want is the ability to do a private key operation.  Going
beyond that doesn't get me much?  Doesn't want a full Turing machine

Mingliang: Good point [on no need of Turing machine and lightweight trusted=
 application types]
>> [Ming]  also said that "there needs trust apps, and types of trust apps =
doesn't need to be a complete heavy application as Dapeng mentioned earlier=
 in the use cases."

Hannes, responding to Ben: these privacy concerns show up at different
levels.  Attestation releases information by design.  There are
mechanisms to avoid linkability, but there are some pros and cons for
each mechanism.  We should discuss more on the list.

To PHB's point: we have come up with these technologies because there
is a demand for features more powerful than a SIM card.  For example:
trusted display, trusted input.  These were specific hardware
components that people have demanded.  In the IETF we don't work on
hardware, but having an understanding of the purpose and limitations
of the hardware is useful.

Yaron Schaffer: how viable is this?  Google and others want to have
very tight control on your device.

Mingliang: there are multiple app stores, and there are some trusted
applications.
>> [Ming] also said that "there are already existing practice by some TAM v=
endors who distribute trusted apps outside of Google app store".

Hannes:  we are working with some companies to prove that this is not
just a research exercise.  There may also be some networking use
cases, maybe with (for example) I2NSF.

Erik Nordmark: the various documents should be openly available.

Mingliang: protocol is a draft.

Erik: are there other things that people would need to have access to
to implement this?

Hannes: for specific hardware you might want some additional code and
documents, and he pointed to some of the documents.  One would
probably use a [device specific] SDK.

Erik: but we might need the information in order to properly design
the protocol.

Erik: what is unique about this protocol that could be used to
updating TEEs versus other enviroments?  Would it be capable of
updating other environments?

Hannes:  could be used for IoT firmware update, and we need an
application layer security mechanism.  Attestation doesn't quite match
with some of the other cases.

Hannes: we replace the whole image.

Hannes: looked at linux distribution mechanisms, but no attestation
concepts.

Chris Nasio, CMU: a lot of shared concepts from TPM.  I've never seen
a CA that validated my TPM chip?  Who's going to do that?

Mingliang: that's a provider question.  This defines a scheme, not who
plays the roles.


Lots of talk about Qualcomm

Chris Nasio: you are asking for a substantial financial commitment
associated with CA management.  Has anyone signed up to write the
check?


Hannes: we are recommending even to our IoT vendors to use secure
credentials that we recommend in general

Mingliang: this is a best practice.  You need a root of trust.

Markus from NCSA: question around the mobile use case: might overlap
with FIDO alliance that is addressing a similar problem.  This is
somewhat wider.

Hannes: folk from FIDO should speak up

???: From the developer perspective it makes sense to lower the
threshold to develop such applications.  From the smartphone vendors'
perspectives will it increase security strength to the users?


AND the Mics are closed

Tero, as chair:

Does the group understand the work to be done?
More people hummed yes than no but it was only by a bit.  Not convincing.
How many people are interested in working on this?
about 14-15 people.

Kathleen:
    We'll continue on the list.
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meeting notes from the teep. Please post<br>
corrections, and additions to me or to the this list.<br>
<br>
Thanks for the minutes taker for taking minutes.<br>
----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
TEEP BoF<br>
<br>
Chairs introduced themselves.<br>
<br>
Hannes began an overview.<br>
<br>
<br>
Background covered various form of isolation.<br>
Software environments would receive additional code reviews.<br>
<br>
TEs that sit along rich execution environments<br>
<br>
10,000 foot view includes Rich OS/Linux in the REE and trusted apps<br>
and oses in the TEE all sitting atop a hardware platform.<br>
<br>
The terminology comes from other organizations (The Global Platform)<br>
<br>
Example: a banking application would want to have access to certain<br>
certificates. Maybe there is a &quot;trusted UI&quot;.<br>
<br>
This is in home routers and even in the Raspberri Pi<br>
<br>
This is a bit more than just a smart card function<br>
<br>
The concept extends to the bus and peripherals.<br>
<br>
There is a defined message passing interface as an API to transition<br>
internally within the CPU and software stacks to get between different<br>
environments <br>
<br>
It is this transition that is particularly important for this BoF<br>
<br>
The concepts have been worked out, and hardware manufacturers have<br>
developed chips that support this architecture. <br>
But provisioning software in this environment is done today using<br>
proprietary techniques.&nbsp; There is some fragmentation in the market. <b=
r>
The uptake of this technology that could be used for different use<br>
cases has been somewhat limited. <br>
<br>
Wouldn't it be great if we had a standard way to install, update, and<br>
delete software? <br>
We might just need a bit of security around such a process.<br>
<br>
And so the specification has a number of security aspects<br>
<br>
Mohit: applications have to be provisioned into the DEE.&nbsp; I'm a</div>
<div class=3D"PlainText" style=3D"font-size: 10pt;"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 10pt;">&gt;&gt;&nbsp;[Ming]&nbsp;Change word &quot;DEE&quot; to &quot;TE=
E&quot; for the intention?</span><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"PlainText" style=3D"font-size: 10pt;"><br>
developer sitting in a basement.&nbsp; Is it only trusted applications that=
<br>
can have access and what makes an application trusted? <br>
<br>
Hannes: defer to later, but it depends on the hardware.&nbsp; Raspberri pi<=
br>
is completely open.&nbsp; Other environments can be locked down, <br>
<br>
IETF work TBD: A protocol<br>
<br>
on the sreen is a slide containing the various entities that are<br>
reflected in the Open Trust Protocol (OTrP) using JSON/JOSE&nbsp; <br>
<br>
there is a bit of back and forth because the TEE needs to authenticate<br>
that it is talking to the right trust application manager. <br>
<br>
The grey arrow in the strawman uses a JSON-based encoding and that is<br>
what we are trying to define here. <br>
<br>
Kent Watson: typically an application might bundle a firmware image.<br>
Would that work here? <br>
<br>
Hannes: target market is mobile phones and tablets, because there is a<br>
lot of hardware in the field.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
Kent Watson: why couldn't use existing mechanisms?<br>
<br>
Chair: defer to conversation later, please.<br>
<br>
Dapeng Liu: only portions of an application are trusted, and so<br>
sometimes it is useful to update each component separately. <br>
<br>
Hannes: we'll discuss this more later<br>
<br>
Envisioned User Experience<br>
<br>
App developer uploads the app to the Google store and the trusted app<br>
to the &quot;TAM&quot; (trusted application manager?) <br>
<br>
The system only updates from the TAM when the hardware is there.&nbsp; And<=
br>
there is authorization involved in step 3 and 4. <br>
<br>
Hannes then moved on to the ARM TrustZone<br>
<br>
Different profiles for different use case.<br>
The BoF is mainly for high power processors, not for light weight stuff<br>
ARM then has its own terminology for some of the terms<br>
<br>
David M Wheeler (Intel) next presented remotely<br>
<br>
TEE Variations<br>
<br>
TEEs are there to provide some form of protection that is not<br>
available in the rich o/s side. <br>
As the TCB grows there's less and less trust<br>
Otherwise we would use other protections.<br>
There are reasons to want to separate particularly sensitive<br>
operations into a separate container <br>
He then ran through the list on the slides<br>
How do you prove to other parties that your code is trusted?<br>
<br>
type and capability of root of trust<br>
does it attest to just firmware or also code?<br>
Can the TEE be used to derive keying materials?<br>
<br>
Anonymity<br>
There are different types of anonymous protocols and algorithms<br>
<br>
And then David provided a list of environments they support.<br>
<br>
SGX<br>
Instead of having a secure world, you have the ability to set aside<br>
some memory, and then you have the ability through CPU instructions to<br>
establish a TEE.&nbsp; And it's in the same process space as the process<br=
>
that launched it. <br>
Intel supports the concept of delivering app along with the trusted piece.<=
br>
<br>
DaL&nbsp; Dynamic Application Loader uses a cryptoprocessor that's on the<b=
r>
same dye as the CPU.&nbsp; If your code is signed by the proper key you can=
<br>
load applets to that environments, but unlike SGX the apps are not<br>
tied to a single application environments. <br>
<br>
Then on to the obligatory picture diagram<br>
But he nicely summarized this page without delving into detail<br>
<br>
Differences between SGX and TrustZone<br>
&nbsp;- load on demand via special instructions<br>
&nbsp;- launching process is verified by the launcher.&nbsp; And the launch=
er<br>
&nbsp;operates, in effect, as the &quot;TSM&quot;. <br>
Current architecture has an external TSM.<br>
<br>
In SGX we use the root of trust to derive keys for an enclave.&nbsp; This<b=
r>
creates the ability to bind secrets to both the platform and the<br>
trusted app, <br>
Sometimes one needs a small O/S to arbitrate between apps.&nbsp; SGX<br>
provides that separation by default.&nbsp; Certain protocols are required<b=
r>
in order enable sharing between&nbsp; <br>
enclaves.<br>
<br>
The point is that there are very different models that we might wish<br>
to acccomodate with this work <br>
<br>
Attestation can provide complete anonymity to the application being<br>
attested. <br>
<br>
Then what of the charter?<br>
Supporting different types of TEES as well as multiple both<br>
cooperating and non-cooperating TEEs. <br>
Privacy is important<br>
Must support validation of TEE trust by cryptographic means<br>
There may not be a need to have an outside manager.<br>
&nbsp; <br>
Eliot Lear asks David: there may or may not be a need for external<br>
services, can you expand on that?<br>
<br>
David: in the case of SGX, trusted app can be embedded in the<br>
untrusted application and delivered as one group to a platform,<br>
current infrastructure and protocols from today can be used <br>
&nbsp; <br>
For certain other TEEs a trust protocol may be helpful.&nbsp; Even though<b=
r>
we can point out cases where a protocol ISN'T necessary, having the<br>
uniform protocol is still a benefit. <br>
<br>
Dapeng Liu<br>
<br>
Use cases<br>
<br>
Use case 1: Payment<br>
<br>
In China there are a lot of mobile payment applications.&nbsp; The banks<br=
>
provide the apps and the users can just use their phones.&nbsp; 3rd party<b=
r>
payment providers&nbsp; may also have autopay services that run on the<br>
user's phone.&nbsp; We need better and more secure ways.&nbsp; We're lookin=
g for<br>
ways to use the user's fingerprint in a secure way. <br>
<br>
Why not use phone applet?&nbsp; We need a standard protocol that can<br>
operating between different layers of the ecosystem and can address<br>
different types of the TEE technology. <br>
<br>
Part of this use case involves a secure keyboard application.<br>
<br>
Enterprise Authentication<br>
<br>
BYOD is very popular, but some enterprise applications may be<br>
sensitive, that include credentials.&nbsp; How to provide isolation in this=
<br>
case?&nbsp; Enterprises need a simple way to install/update/delete the<br>
trusted applications without the help of OEMs. <br>
<br>
TEEP Architecture<br>
Mingliang Pei (Symantec)<br>
<br>
Starts off by asking who has seen the draft.&nbsp; A few hands<br>
Then a nice marketing slide intended to describe the ecosystem.<br>
<br>
There are a few high level decisions:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Use a PKI (manufacturer-provided kesys and trust=
 anchors)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Start with JSON because it is &quot;light weight=
&quot; and standardized.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - We introduce an OTrP Agent in REE to relay messa=
ges through a standard API.<br>
<br>
Device has a single TEE only<br>
<br>
Then an architectural overview diagram<br>
<br>
Who gets to update the trusted environment?&nbsp; User gets to decide or ..=
.<br>
<br>
Next slide<br>
<br>
Messages are signed and encrypted end-to-end<br>
<br>
We only need to define trust points; how messages are delivered<br>
between rich and trusted environments is not necessary to standardize<br>
(NOTE TAKER: I may have gotten his meaning wrong here) <br>
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-siz=
e: 13.3333px;">&gt;&gt;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Ar=
ial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px;">[Ming]&nbsp;</span><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 13.3333px;">We only need to define
 trust establishment&nbsp;information</span><span style=3D"font-size: 13.33=
33px;">; how messages are delivered via a network&nbsp;</span><span style=
=3D"font-size: 13.3333px;">between rich and TAM is not necessary to standar=
dize</span></div>
<div class=3D"PlainText" style=3D"font-size: 10pt;"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"PlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Next a slide on k=
eys</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">What keys and certs are needed in which pa=
rt of the solution.</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Different regions may use different CAs fo=
r for different SPs</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">The protocol specifically defines trusted =
messages</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Relationship diagram</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Protocol flow with a swimming lane diagram=
</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">3 phase diagram</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Flows allow for signing and encrypting of =
applications.</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Creates a secured domain for a given servi=
ce provider</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Device decrypts, verifies images,&nbsp; an=
d installs the app.</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">&#43;&#43;&#43;&#43;&#43;&#43;&#43;&#43;</=
span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Ben Kaouk:&nbsp; TE and TSMs have private =
applications where the user can't</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">see what's going on.&nbsp; That leaves ope=
n the possibility for a privacy</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">risk. </span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Mingliang: Trusted Application Manager has=
 the charge to deal with this.</span></div>
<div class=3D"PlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.3333px;">&gt;&gt; [Mi=
ng] &quot;has the charge&quot; --&gt; &quot;has the scheme to deal with thi=
s&quot;, &quot;and privacy was an important part in the protocol design.&qu=
ot;<br>
</span></div>
<div class=3D"PlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.3333px;"><br>
</span></div>
<div class=3D"PlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">PHB: All I want i=
s the ability to do a private key operation.&nbsp; Going</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">beyond that doesn't get me much?&nbsp; Doe=
sn't want a full Turing machine
</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Mingliang: Good point [on no need of Turin=
g machine and lightweight trusted&nbsp;application types]</span><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"PlainText" style=3D"font-size: 10pt;"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px;">&gt;&gt;=
&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif; font-size: 13.3333px;">[Ming] &nbsp;also said that
 &quot;there needs trust apps, and types of trust apps doesn't need to be a=
 complete heavy application as Dapeng mentioned earlier in the use cases.&q=
uot;</span></div>
<div class=3D"PlainText"><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvet=
ica, sans-serif;"></span><span style=3D"font-size: 13.3333px;"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Hannes, responding to Ben: these pr=
ivacy concerns show up at different</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">levels.&nbsp; Attestation releases informa=
tion by design.&nbsp; There are</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">mechanisms to avoid linkability, but there=
 are some pros and cons for</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">each mechanism.&nbsp; We should discuss mo=
re on the list.
</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">To PHB's point: we have come up with these=
 technologies because there</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">is a demand for features more powerful tha=
n a SIM card.&nbsp; For example:</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">trusted display, trusted input.&nbsp; Thes=
e were specific hardware</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">components that people have demanded.&nbsp=
; In the IETF we don't work on</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">hardware, but having an understanding of t=
he purpose and limitations</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">of the hardware is useful. </span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Yaron Schaffer: how viable is this?&nbsp; =
Google and others want to have</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">very tight control on your device.</span><=
br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Mingliang: there are multiple app stores, =
and there are some trusted</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">applications. </span><br>
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-siz=
e: 13.3333px;">&gt;&gt;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Ar=
ial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px;">[Ming] also said that &q=
uot;there are already existing practice by some TAM&nbsp;vendors
 who distribute trusted apps outside of Google app&nbsp;store&quot;.</span>=
</div>
<div class=3D"PlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.3333px;"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Hannes:&nbsp; we are working with s=
ome companies to prove that this is not</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">just a research exercise.&nbsp; There may =
also be some networking use</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">cases, maybe with (for example) I2NSF.</sp=
an><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Erik Nordmark: the various documents shoul=
d be openly available.</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Mingliang: protocol is a draft.</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Erik: are there other things that people w=
ould need to have access to</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">to implement this?</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Hannes: for specific hardware you might wa=
nt some additional code and</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">documents, and he pointed to some of the d=
ocuments.&nbsp; One would</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">probably use a [device specific] SDK.</spa=
n><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Erik: but we might need the information in=
 order to properly design</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">the protocol.</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Erik: what is unique about this protocol t=
hat could be used to</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">updating TEEs versus other enviroments?&nb=
sp; Would it be capable of</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">updating other environments?</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Hannes:&nbsp; could be used for IoT firmwa=
re update, and we need an</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">application layer security mechanism.&nbsp=
; Attestation doesn't quite match</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">with some of the other cases.</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Hannes: we replace the whole image.</span>=
<br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Hannes: looked at linux distribution mecha=
nisms, but no attestation</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">concepts.</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Chris Nasio, CMU: a lot of shared concepts=
 from TPM.&nbsp; I've never seen</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">a CA that validated my TPM chip?&nbsp; Who=
's going to do that?</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Mingliang: that's a provider question.&nbs=
p; This defines a scheme, not who</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">plays the roles.</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Lots of talk about Qualcomm</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Chris Nasio: you are asking for a substant=
ial financial commitment</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">associated with CA management.&nbsp; Has a=
nyone signed up to write the</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">check?</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Hannes: we are recommending even to our Io=
T vendors to use secure</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">credentials that we recommend in general</=
span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Mingliang: this is a best practice.&nbsp; =
You need a root of trust.</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Markus from NCSA: question around the mobi=
le use case: might overlap</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">with FIDO alliance that is addressing a si=
milar problem.&nbsp; This is</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">somewhat wider.</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Hannes: folk from FIDO should speak up</sp=
an><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">???: From the developer perspective it mak=
es sense to lower the</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">threshold to develop such applications.&nb=
sp; From the smartphone vendors'</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">perspectives will it increase security str=
ength to the users?</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">AND the Mics are closed</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Tero, as chair:</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Does the group understand the work to be d=
one?</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">More people hummed yes than no but it was =
only by a bit.&nbsp; Not convincing.</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">How many people are interested in working =
on this?</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">about 14-15 people.</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Kathleen:</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We'll continue on the l=
ist.</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">-- </span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">kivinen@iki.fi</span><br>
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Mingliang Pei writes:
> Mohit: applications have to be provisioned into the DEE.  I'm a
> >> [Ming] Change word "DEE" to "TEE" for the intention?

Fixed.

> We only need to define trust points; how messages are delivered
> between rich and trusted environments is not necessary to standardize
> (NOTE TAKER: I may have gotten his meaning wrong here)
> >> [Ming] We only need to define trust establishment information; how messages are delivered via a network 
> between rich and TAM is not necessary to standardize

Fixed.

> Mingliang: Trusted Application Manager has the charge to deal with this.
> >> [Ming] "has the charge" --> "has the scheme to deal with this", "and privacy was an important part in the
> protocol design."

Fixed to

Mingliang: Trusted Application Manager has the scheme to deal with
this and privacy was an important part in the protocol design.


> PHB: All I want is the ability to do a private key operation.  Going
> beyond that doesn't get me much?  Doesn't want a full Turing machine
> 
> Mingliang: Good point [on no need of Turing machine and lightweight trusted application types]
> >> [Ming]  also said that "there needs trust apps, and types of trust apps doesn't need to be a complete heavy
> application as Dapeng mentioned earlier in the use cases."

Fixed to:

Mingliang: Good point [on no need of Turing machine and lightweight
trusted application types].
there needs trust apps, and types of trust apps doesn't need to be a
complete heavy application as Dapeng mentioned earlier in the use cases.

> Mingliang: there are multiple app stores, and there are some trusted
> applications.
> >> [Ming] also said that "there are already existing practice by some TAM vendors who distribute trusted apps
> outside of Google app store".

Added.
-- 
kivinen@iki.fi


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On 03/28/2017 02:18 PM, Wheeler, David M wrote:

>
> This working group aims to develop an application layer protocol providing TEEs with the following functionality,
>  * discovery of TEE capabilities
>  * management of trusted applications,
>  * attestation, and
>  * security domain management (which provides a logical space that contains the service provider's applications).

Hannes and Dave,

The above list of proposed work items is useful. I wish we could have 
discussed it a bit at the BoF.

Questions that come to mind is which of the above would be protocols and 
which would be data models, and then a feel for the gaps in these areas 
relative to currently existing mechanisms and standards.

For example, I assume there are protocols and data models to manage 
applications on the devices. Do we need something brand new for the 
trusted applications? Or just some minor extensions?

Is there some gap analysis which can be shared with the list?

Thanks,
    Erik

