From nobody Fri May 5 06:32:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietf.org Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D28B129473; Fri, 5 May 2017 06:32:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: Cc: nance@winget.net, Kathleen.Moriarty.ietf@gmail.com, teep@ietf.org, teep-chairs@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149399114251.8524.14255051807748664702.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 06:32:22 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] teep - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 99 X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 13:32:23 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Nancy Cam-Winget, a Chair of the teep working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement Area Name: Security Area Session Requester: Nancy Cam-Winget Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 70 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: core ace mile sacm saag Second Priority: ipwave People who must be present: Kathleen Moriarty Nancy Cam-Winget Tero Kivinen Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri May 5 06:49:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFCE1289B5; Fri, 5 May 2017 06:49:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tz7YhQDqpkMG; Fri, 5 May 2017 06:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x243.google.com (mail-qt0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDD1112894A; Fri, 5 May 2017 06:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x243.google.com with SMTP id a46so847814qte.0; Fri, 05 May 2017 06:49:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=EF+GaVDvgu9btb6A/uBderVFvKBYlwh71bNIFzBkh6o=; b=rT/SDRvUBOP7GKzc14H1YuKizblRMq3A6SGZaFyLKPzb8f7K0hMrYu1JOMWz2bApvY lZ16l137iN3nM8UVN2b2Jl/km737HwuvIFAtv2267iYEo4vabn84Boh+NKJMsBEOza+i pIbMzBzo7LAJoFYQ8JZ/b+qB66s8WQjl0EqtCfnWsssjql9mY+Af//jkiZvE5vzYWQz9 IbAQXmmD31tCp4DgjtCwq2anmg23aayssOJkeOodzSY2+oPSUiEl2ZFa+CksfR0ai5QR Oa1GyZiv+04a7Yd2VB0bdUnJ0r4JIwdaULG7iSYospbYAeAWu9OzyDm1BbzCgDtLm8WC yO8Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=EF+GaVDvgu9btb6A/uBderVFvKBYlwh71bNIFzBkh6o=; b=ZrbEpnyb9NT/oMUzEqo4khyuyJDrzAXy2MBFOyN9LXTbHU5ACx0JrflYRCGnuOhZpE SE0Ey3ELPkMHI54/ByFzUtKFJN+/f18KK2p2BHyjY5mvqQAMHrPg0ol9J8NSTPukNHva 4H1XfZNBBGAQ1hWj9OGtUMktrqqKOmQbfEiHP7P3PilvwGSsZwux3m2BJCAM9CmK/ch/ AO12HFDOzmOCJbhnZdAPhUjb/vS2OBXjFD3vjE3k03Ua9EHCP5SZEj9fKb3G9jxsIV7N Skgsk7FUhU6ZF5QzscYc9Nyc1PgZFu6sF+3XWSACZik/vpgmY2Rw8JodcQyAglKqXAVi QJCg== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/7Su3stDIgQhQZ60AY54Dd6URLlsOyTFrrndVsTZyF0dEDvWg9Y 4UkOPT6iL6ntOg== X-Received: by 10.200.39.100 with SMTP id h33mr40789737qth.280.1493992178063; Fri, 05 May 2017 06:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (209-6-124-204.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com. [209.6.124.204]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j14sm3503400qtj.51.2017.05.05.06.49.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 05 May 2017 06:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3B5AD761-849B-4456-B6DF-2F9E343CEAD0 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Kathleen Moriarty X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14D27) In-Reply-To: <149399114251.8524.14255051807748664702.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 09:49:36 -0400 Cc: session-request@ietf.org, teep@ietf.org, teep-chairs@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <149399114251.8524.14255051807748664702.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: nance@winget.net Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teep] teep - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 99 X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 13:49:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail-3B5AD761-849B-4456-B6DF-2F9E343CEAD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nancy, Thanks for sending this in although, TEEP needs to get entered into the BoF w= iki for approval first since it isn't a WG yet. It looks like the page isn't ready for IETF 99, but you can see the entry fr= om last time so you have a starting point for this entry. I'd recommend cop= ying the text and getting the new entry ready. https://tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/ Thank you, Kathleen=20 Sent from my iPhone > On May 5, 2017, at 9:32 AM, IETF Meeting Session Request Tool wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Nancy Cam-Winget,= a Chair of the teep working group. >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > Working Group Name: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment E= nablement > Area Name: Security Area > Session Requester: Nancy Cam-Winget >=20 > Number of Sessions: 1 > Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours > Number of Attendees: 70 > Conflicts to Avoid:=20 > First Priority: core ace mile sacm saag > Second Priority: ipwave >=20 >=20 >=20 > People who must be present: > Kathleen Moriarty > Nancy Cam-Winget > Tero Kivinen >=20 > Resources Requested: >=20 > Special Requests: >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- >=20 --Apple-Mail-3B5AD761-849B-4456-B6DF-2F9E343CEAD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Nancy,

Tha= nks for sending this in although, TEEP needs to get entered into the BoF wik= i for approval first since it isn't a WG yet.

It lo= oks like the page isn't ready for IETF 99, but you can see the entry from la= st time so you have a starting point for this entry.  I'd recommend cop= ying the text and getting the new entry ready.




A new mee= ting session request has just been submitted by Nancy Cam-Winget, a Chair of= the teep working group.


-= --------------------------------------------------------
Wor= king Group Name: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enable= ment
Area Name: Security Area
Session Reques= ter: Nancy Cam-Winget

Number of Sessions: 1=
Length of Session(s):  1.5 Hours
Numbe= r of Attendees: 70
Conflicts to Avoid:
Fir= st Priority:  core  ace mile sacm saag
Second Pri= ority:  ipwave



People who must be present:
 Kathleen Moria= rty
 Nancy Cam-Winget
 Tero Kivi= nen

Resources Requested:

Special Requests:

----------= -----------------------------------------------

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"nance@winget.net" CC: "session-request@ietf.org" , "teep@ietf.org" , "teep-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Teep] teep - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 99 Thread-Index: AQHSxaQJJi8c6RrP3EeCKRpL8Zz4XaHmBKMAgAAP9CQ= Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 18:46:42 +0000 Message-ID: References: <149399114251.8524.14255051807748664702.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_q14d8a4ki4eqwsmv7aw9f2w21493994423193emailandroidcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teep] teep - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 99 X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 18:46:47 -0000 --_000_q14d8a4ki4eqwsmv7aw9f2w21493994423193emailandroidcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Kathleen, I was looking at it doing it thru phone....but will try t= o fix it when I can get to a real computer then... Apologies for not doing it quite right. ... Nancy Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: 05/05/2017 06:49 (GMT-08:00) To: nance@winget.net Cc: session-request@ietf.org, teep@ietf.org, teep-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teep] teep - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 99 Hi Nancy, Thanks for sending this in although, TEEP needs to get entered into the BoF= wiki for approval first since it isn't a WG yet. It looks like the page isn't ready for IETF 99, but you can see the entry f= rom last time so you have a starting point for this entry. I'd recommend c= opying the text and getting the new entry ready. https://tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/ Thank you, Kathleen Sent from my iPhone On May 5, 2017, at 9:32 AM, IETF Meeting Session Request Tool > wrote: A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Nancy Cam-Winget, = a Chair of the teep working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment En= ablement Area Name: Security Area Session Requester: Nancy Cam-Winget Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 70 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: core ace mile sacm saag Second Priority: ipwave People who must be present: Kathleen Moriarty Nancy Cam-Winget Tero Kivinen Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- --_000_q14d8a4ki4eqwsmv7aw9f2w21493994423193emailandroidcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Kathleen,  I was looking at it doing it thru phone....but = will try to fix it when I can get to a real computer then...
Apologies for not doing it quite right. ...

Nancy 



Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S= =AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: 05/05/2017 06:49 (GMT-08:00)
To: nance@winget.net
Cc: session-request@ietf.org, teep@ietf.org, teep-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Teep] teep - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 99

Hi Nancy,

Thanks for sending this in although, TEEP needs to get entered into th= e BoF wiki for approval first since it isn't a WG yet.

It looks like the page isn't ready for IETF 99, but you can see the en= try from last time so you have a starting point for this entry.  I'd r= ecommend copying the text and getting the new entry ready.


Thank you,
Kathleen 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 5, 2017, at 9:32 AM, IETF Meeting Session Request Tool <session_request_developers@= ietf.org> wrote:



A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Nancy Cam-Wi= nget, a Chair of the teep working group.


---------------------------------------------------------
Working Group Name: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environm= ent Enablement
Area Name: Security Area
Session Requester: Nancy Cam-Winget

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  1.5 Hours
Number of Attendees: 70
Conflicts to Avoid:
First Priority:  core  ace mile sacm saag
Second Priority:  ipwave



People who must be present:
 Kathleen Moriarty
 Nancy Cam-Winget
 Tero Kivinen

Resources Requested:

Special Requests:

---------------------------------------------------------

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[95.176.25.124]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id v7sm1600894wrb.68.2017.05.23.08.11.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 23 May 2017 08:11:43 -0700 (PDT) References: <681c5c6b-0c74-8ec0-0484-f38beaf2dd66@gmail.com> To: teep@ietf.org From: Anders Rundgren X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <681c5c6b-0c74-8ec0-0484-f38beaf2dd66@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6a3da7e6-10e8-e1f3-0a5d-5126f8b62b9a@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 17:11:41 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <681c5c6b-0c74-8ec0-0484-f38beaf2dd66@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] OTrP Proposal - Chunking Data to Conserve RAM X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:11:48 -0000 Hi fellow TEEers, As some of you know I have been working for a long time on a concept coined SKS/KeyGen2 which is about using a TA (or HW) as a universal keystore and then be able managing keys in an E2ES (End to End Security) fashion over the Web. Since the data structures you can create with the management protocol (KeyGen2) are arbitrary complex, a naive approach would require an equally arbitrary amount of RAM. Since RAM vs FLASH/ROM typically differ with a factor of 10 or more, I simply had to come up with a better solution. The solution I found was to creating a _session_key_ and do things in _steps_. This allows the system to use a non-encrypted (but MACed) API and only encrypt data which absolutely needs encryption. Another benefit is that the protocol can work on (what appears to be) a high level including aggregation of API calls. https://cyberphone.github.io/doc/security/keygen2.html#Sample_Run Are there downsides to this you may wonder? Of course, _all_ solutions have such :-) If a session is abruptly terminated you may end up with a bricked system. Workaround: The SKS (Secure Key Store) builds on a transaction concept so that nothing is "committed" (inside of it) until the last call has been _successfully_performed_. There's another important benefit of the session key approach: Format independency on the protocol side since the API only needs to process low-level binary. That is, OTrP could be dressed in JSON and CBOR without _any_ protocol/API level adjustments. This is not only a nice theory, a public PoC using a "soft" SKS is available for anybody having 5-10 minutes to spend: https://test.webpki.org/webpay-merchant https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.webpki.mobile.android The next [anticipated] step on this project is transcending cryptographic keys to become first-class OS objects like Files, Processes, Users, etc. which I recently presented at Linaro Connect in Budapest. 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[95.176.25.124]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id m14sm4659832wmi.2.2017.05.23.22.49.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 23 May 2017 22:49:40 -0700 (PDT) To: teep@ietf.org From: Anders Rundgren Message-ID: <9ce8a049-496b-489e-177c-754f4b3dd70e@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 07:49:37 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] OTrP Proposal - Removing Redundant Message Layer X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 05:49:44 -0000 Hi TEEers, As an alternative (or maybe a complement) to the session-key proposal https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/teep/qs-4aXf2Fx9mrBOz6Kj8f1Mk7G8 you may consider evaluating an alternative to JOSE for signatures. The JOSE standards stack is awesome but was designed for the needs of OpenId and such rather than security protocols in general. Another corner stone for the JOSE work was that there is no such thing as JSON canonicalization which is why data is dressed in Base64URL. However, the latter changed with the advent of EcmaScript version 6 which specifies an exact method for serializing JavaScript/JSON objects which is already implemented in most Browsers, Node.js, as well as in Android* and Java* in general. In fact (modulo floating point), it works flawlessly in most other platforms as well. Now to the actual issue. I have taken the liberty analyzing the consequences of using JWS in OTrP: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pei-opentrustprotocol-03#section-7.4 "The top element " [Signed][Request | Response]" cannot be fully trusted to match the content because it doesn't participate the signature generation. However, a recipient can always match it with the value associated with the property "payload". It purely serves to provide a quick reference for reading and method invocation." SIDE-EFFECT: JWS introduces additional signature verification steps https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pei-opentrustprotocol-03#section-8.2.1.3 Top level message object: { "CreateSDResponse": { "payload":"", "protected": { "" }, "signature": "" } } Payload: { "CreateSDTBSResponse": { "ver": "1.0", "status": "", "rid": "", "tid": "", "content": ENCRYPTED { "reason":"", // optional "did": "", "sdname": "", "teespaik": "", "dsi": "" } } } SIDE-EFFECT: JWS forces you adding artificial message layers in order to get a reasonable message structure. By combining ES6 Serialization, JSON Web Algorithms (JOSE/JWA) and JSON Web Key (JOSE/JWK), you can stay pretty close to JOSE while getting away from the current two-level messaging scheme in addition to having header information in clear: https://cyberphone.github.io/doc/security/jsonsignatures.html Although not on any IETF standard track, this is not a research project, JCS (JSON Cleartext Signature) is fully documented and supported by an extensive set of test vectors and working code. Cheers, Anders Co-inventor of signed JavaScript/JSON objects https://github.com/cyberphone/openkeystore#openkeystore * Through third-party libraries