From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 13 13:29:17 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNYXj-0007pl-IU; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:28:59 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNYXi-0007pg-Ba for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:28:58 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNYXe-0004M0-Vu for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:28:58 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GNYX9-0002M3-6Z for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:28:23 +0200 Received: from du-001-165.access.de.clara.net ([212.82.227.165]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:28:23 +0200 Received: from nobody by du-001-165.access.de.clara.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:28:23 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Followup-To: gmane.ietf.tools Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:27:02 +0200 Organization: Lines: 24 Message-ID: <45083F66.7E6E@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <20060913153749.GL10145@ccil.org> <450836B0.4010008@yahoo-inc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: du-001-165.access.de.clara.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: ltru@lists.ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] Tiny URLs (was: 4646bis-00 review by John Cowan) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Addison Phillips wrote on tge LTRU list: > I note that TinyURL has decided that tools.ietf.org is a > "frequently spammed" site. I'm going to have to switch to > del.icio.us or Y!Scuttle for my short URLs.... Sigh, forwarded to the "tools" list, could we get a default url1= if only url2= is specifified ? The algorithm would be: 1: strip and note any extension like ".txt" at the last dot 2: split version after last hyphen-minus like 03 for "...-03" 3: concatenate the rest plus version -1 (02) plus extension to get a default url1. And maybe let &difftype=--hwdiff be the default, instead of the side-by-side diff (?) It's okay if the tinyurl folks are paranoid, they were or are blacklisted by wikipedia after some abuse. For redirectors SURBL offers a way to fight abuse: Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 13 15:41:39 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNabw-0003YP-42; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:41:28 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNabv-0003YF-Ms for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:41:27 -0400 Received: from av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNabu-0002bX-6L for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:41:27 -0400 Received: by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 5B42037F53; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:41:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCE537F48; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:41:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4DD337E47; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:41:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GNabn-0006hx-Rv; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:41:19 +0200 Message-ID: <45085EDF.9020600@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:41:19 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Macintosh/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Tiny URLs References: <20060913153749.GL10145@ccil.org> <450836B0.4010008@yahoo-inc.com> <45083F66.7E6E@xyzzy.claranet.de> In-Reply-To: <45083F66.7E6E@xyzzy.claranet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: ltru@lists.ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Frank, on 2006-09-13 19:27 Frank Ellermann said the following: > Addison Phillips wrote on tge LTRU list: > >> I note that TinyURL has decided that tools.ietf.org is a >> "frequently spammed" site. I'm going to have to switch to >> del.icio.us or Y!Scuttle for my short URLs.... Hmm - tried to use it just now for a tinyurl to a tools.ietf.org URL, and didn't see any problems... Is it a matter both of target domain and requesting domain? > Sigh, forwarded to the "tools" list, could we get a default > url1= if only url2= is specifified ? The algorithm would be: > > 1: strip and note any extension like ".txt" at the last dot > 2: split version after last hyphen-minus like 03 for "...-03" > 3: concatenate the rest plus version -1 (02) plus extension > to get a default url1. Done. I've also added a symlink so instead of http://www1.tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht?url2=http://... you can now also use the somewhat shorter http://www1.tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff.pyht?url2=http://... The changes are available on www1.tools.ietf.org now, should be on all servers within an hour. > And maybe let &difftype=--hwdiff be the default, instead of > the side-by-side diff (?) This is less obvious to me... I personally always want the side-by-side diff, but if most people want --hwdiff, we could change. Either way, I've considered adding links to other diff formats at the top of the diff generated, but haven't gone there yet. > It's okay if the tinyurl folks are paranoid, they were or are > blacklisted by wikipedia after some abuse. For redirectors > SURBL offers a way to fight abuse: > Mmm. Thanks. I didn't know about this. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 13 16:16:11 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNb9X-0007Bg-A3; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:16:11 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GN8X1-0006kz-Up for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:42:31 -0400 Received: from cliffie.verisignlabs.com ([65.201.175.9] helo=mail.verisignlabs.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GN8X0-0000Hw-Ma for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:42:31 -0400 Received: from monsoon.verisignlabs.com ([::ffff:172.25.170.10]) by mail.verisignlabs.com with esmtp; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:42:30 -0400 id 002D8092.4506B946.000029A4 Received: from zephyr.verisignlabs.com (zephyr.verisignlabs.com [10.131.244.205]) by monsoon.verisignlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5DB137E5A for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:42:19 -0400 From: Matt Larson To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20060912134219.GQ1573@zephyr.verisignlabs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8de5f93cb2b4e3bee75302e9eacc33db X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:16:10 -0400 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Mail to some tools.ietf.org addresses bouncing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Dear IETF tools folks, I apologize if this mailing list isn't the best way to reach the IETF tools team, but it was the only address I could easily find. I replied to a message from the RFC Editor that appeared to be probably automatically generated from a script written by the tools team. My reply to the two addresses @tools.ietf.org bounced, as you can see below. I wanted to let you know about this failure if it's not transient. Kind regards, Matt ----- Forwarded message from Mail Server ----- =46rom: Mail Server Subject: NOTICE: mail delivery status. To: mlarson@verisign.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:31:54 -0400 This is a delivery status notification from mail.verisignlabs.com, running the Courier mail server, version 0.53.0. The original message was received on Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:31:50 -0400 =66rom monsoon.verisignlabs.com ([::ffff:172.25.170.10]) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- UNDELIVERABLE MAIL Your message to the following recipients cannot be delivered: : shiraz.tools.ietf.org [81.232.110.214]: >>> RCPT TO: <<< 550 Unrouteable address : shiraz.tools.ietf.org [81.232.110.214]: >>> RCPT TO: <<< 550 Unrouteable address --------------------------------------------------------------------------- If your message was also sent to additional recipients, their delivery status is not included in this report. You may or may not receive other delivery status notifications for additional recipients. The original message follows as a separate attachment. Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.verisignlabs.com Arrival-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:31:50 -0400 Received-From-MTA: dns; monsoon.verisignlabs.com ([::ffff:172.25.170.10]) Final-Recipient: rfc822; dns-ads@tools.ietf.org Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Remote-MTA: dns; shiraz.tools.ietf.org [81.232.110.214] Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 Unrouteable address Final-Recipient: rfc822; dns-chairs@tools.ietf.org Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Remote-MTA: dns; shiraz.tools.ietf.org [81.232.110.214] Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 Unrouteable address Received: from monsoon.verisignlabs.com ([::ffff:172.25.170.10]) by mail.verisignlabs.com with esmtp; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:31:50 -0400 id 002D8023.4506B6C6.0000271F Received: from zephyr.verisignlabs.com (zephyr.verisignlabs.com [10.131.244= =2E205]) by monsoon.verisignlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28FC137E5A; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:31:39 -0400 =46rom: "Larson, Matt" To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: pbarber@verisign.com, dns-ads@tools.ietf.org, dns-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [RFC State] has been added t= o RFC Editor database Message-ID: <20060912133138.GO1573@zephyr.verisignlabs.com> References: <200608302222.k7UMMsDi016521@nit.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=3D"=3D_cliffie-10015-1158067910-000= 1-2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200608302222.k7UMMsDi016521@nit.isi.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 ----- End forwarded message ----- _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 13 16:28:00 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNbKt-0004dG-LL; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:27:55 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNbKs-0004dB-Q2 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:27:54 -0400 Received: from av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNbKr-0001qr-8M for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:27:54 -0400 Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 72DAD37F31; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:27:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6354437E9A; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:27:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7A237E43; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:27:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GNbKp-0008FK-Fj; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:27:51 +0200 Message-ID: <450869C5.4020108@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:27:49 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Macintosh/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Larson Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mail to some tools.ietf.org addresses bouncing References: <20060912134219.GQ1573@zephyr.verisignlabs.com> In-Reply-To: <20060912134219.GQ1573@zephyr.verisignlabs.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b2809b6f39decc6de467dcf252f42af1 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hello Matt, on 2006-09-12 15:42 Matt Larson said the following: > Dear IETF tools folks, > > I apologize if this mailing list isn't the best way to reach the IETF > tools team, but it was the only address I could easily find. This address you used is just fine. > I replied to a message from the RFC Editor that appeared to be > probably automatically generated from a script written by the tools > team. My reply to the two addresses @tools.ietf.org bounced, as you > can see below. I wanted to let you know about this failure if it's > not transient. Thanks for the alert. The tools team provides up-to-date aliases of the form -ads@tools.ietf.org and -chairs@tools.ietf.org. The trouble in this case is that the script or human at the RFC-Editors' have made a mistake in using "dns" as the working group name when no such working group exists; the draft in question is a draft from the "dnsop" working group, and the aliases dnsop-ads@tools.ietf.org and dnsop-chairs@tools.ietf.org would have been appropriate for this case. I'm forwarding a copy of this mail to the RFC-Editor for info, so they can check what went wrong at their end. Thanks again for reporting this, regards, Henrik > Kind regards, > > Matt > > > ----- Forwarded message from Mail Server ----- > > From: Mail Server > Subject: NOTICE: mail delivery status. > To: mlarson@verisign.com > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:31:54 -0400 > > > This is a delivery status notification from mail.verisignlabs.com, > running the Courier mail server, version 0.53.0. > > The original message was received on Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:31:50 -0400 > from monsoon.verisignlabs.com ([::ffff:172.25.170.10]) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > UNDELIVERABLE MAIL > > Your message to the following recipients cannot be delivered: > > : > shiraz.tools.ietf.org [81.232.110.214]: >>>> RCPT TO: > <<< 550 Unrouteable address > > : > shiraz.tools.ietf.org [81.232.110.214]: >>>> RCPT TO: > <<< 550 Unrouteable address > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If your message was also sent to additional recipients, their delivery > status is not included in this report. You may or may not receive > other delivery status notifications for additional recipients. > > The original message follows as a separate attachment. > > > Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.verisignlabs.com > Arrival-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:31:50 -0400 > Received-From-MTA: dns; monsoon.verisignlabs.com ([::ffff:172.25.170.10]) > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; dns-ads@tools.ietf.org > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 > Remote-MTA: dns; shiraz.tools.ietf.org [81.232.110.214] > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 Unrouteable address > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; dns-chairs@tools.ietf.org > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 > Remote-MTA: dns; shiraz.tools.ietf.org [81.232.110.214] > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 Unrouteable address > > Received: from monsoon.verisignlabs.com ([::ffff:172.25.170.10]) > by mail.verisignlabs.com with esmtp; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:31:50 -0400 > id 002D8023.4506B6C6.0000271F > Received: from zephyr.verisignlabs.com (zephyr.verisignlabs.com [10.131.244.205]) > by monsoon.verisignlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28FC137E5A; > Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:31:49 -0400 (EDT) > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:31:39 -0400 > From: "Larson, Matt" > To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > Cc: pbarber@verisign.com, dns-ads@tools.ietf.org, > dns-chairs@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Re: [RFC State] has been added to RFC Editor database > Message-ID: <20060912133138.GO1573@zephyr.verisignlabs.com> > References: <200608302222.k7UMMsDi016521@nit.isi.edu> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_cliffie-10015-1158067910-0001-2" > Content-Disposition: inline > In-Reply-To: <200608302222.k7UMMsDi016521@nit.isi.edu> > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 13 16:29:19 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNbMA-0005q4-UP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:29:14 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNbM9-0005pu-Qt for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:29:13 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNbM3-00020b-DG for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:29:13 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GNbLe-0008Ns-8f for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:28:42 +0200 Received: from pd9fbadc1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.251.173.193]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:28:42 +0200 Received: from nobody by pd9fbadc1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:28:42 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:25:34 +0200 Organization: Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4508693E.1ECA@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <20060913153749.GL10145@ccil.org> <450836B0.4010008@yahoo-inc.com> <45083F66.7E6E@xyzzy.claranet.de> <45085EDF.9020600@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9fbadc1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: ltru@lists.ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Tiny URLs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Henrik Levkowetz wrote: [default url1= derived from url2=] > Done. I've also added a symlink [...] > http://www1.tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff.pyht?url2=http://... Great, thanks, test URL: http://www1.tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff.pyht?url2=http://www.inter-locale.com/ID/draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-01.txt&difftype=--hwdiff Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 13 16:43:49 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNbaC-0004jc-VH; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:43:44 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNbaC-0004jS-9g for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:43:44 -0400 Received: from av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNbaA-0004AU-TO for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:43:44 -0400 Received: by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 49124380B8; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:43:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C54837E4C; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:43:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25FB37E44; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:43:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GNba9-0000LX-Mr; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:43:41 +0200 Message-ID: <45086D7C.9040208@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:43:40 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Macintosh/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: Tiny URLs References: <20060913153749.GL10145@ccil.org> <450836B0.4010008@yahoo-inc.com> <45083F66.7E6E@xyzzy.claranet.de> <45085EDF.9020600@levkowetz.com> <4508693E.1ECA@xyzzy.claranet.de> In-Reply-To: <4508693E.1ECA@xyzzy.claranet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: ltru@lists.ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Frank, on 2006-09-13 22:25 Frank Ellermann said the following: > Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > > [default url1= derived from url2=] >> Done. I've also added a symlink > [...] >> http://www1.tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff.pyht?url2=http://... > > Great, thanks, test URL: > > http://www1.tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff.pyht?url2=http://www.inter-locale.com/ID/draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-01.txt&difftype=--hwdiff I actually shortened it a little bit further just after I sent off the previous : http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=http://www.inter-locale.com/ID/draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-01.txt&difftype=--hwdiff Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 13 16:58:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNboN-0002Wj-7r; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:58:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNboL-0002We-EW for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:58:21 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNboK-00060Q-4s for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:58:21 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GNbo0-0005O5-Tp for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:58:00 +0200 Received: from pd9fbadc1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.251.173.193]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:58:00 +0200 Received: from nobody by pd9fbadc1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:58:00 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:56:11 +0200 Organization: Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4508706B.17B6@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <20060913153749.GL10145@ccil.org> <450836B0.4010008@yahoo-inc.com> <45083F66.7E6E@xyzzy.claranet.de> <45085EDF.9020600@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9fbadc1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Tiny URLs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Henrik Levkowetz wrote: [minus LTRU for that part] >> maybe let &difftype=--hwdiff be the default > This is less obvious to me... I personally always want the > side-by-side diff, but if most people want --hwdiff, we > could change. I can't tell what most want, but with narrow browser windows, one open for the diff, another to compose a review based on the diff, this didn't work too well for me. Last year I used xml2rfc unpaginated output for a plain text diff, and posted that (USEFOR or LTRU). This year I checked the source of your Web form, because the URL diff (unlike the upload form) works, and a combination of the second form with the &difftype=--hwdiff of the first form is less trouble than xml2rfc-unpaginated diff. Two authors (Ken in USEFOR and Addison in LTRU) loved it, they said --hwdiff or similar is the format used by the Rfc-editor. With my browser all difftypes excluding side-by-side are nice. > I've considered adding links to other diff formats at the top > of the diff generated, but haven't gone there yet. Yes, it's an idea. Now after I know the keywords changing the location directly is no issue: --abdiff / --chbars / --hwdiff, or --html for side-by-side. Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 13 17:18:57 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNc8H-000585-3L; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:18:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNc8F-000576-Dy for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:18:55 -0400 Received: from mail146.messagelabs.com ([216.82.245.131]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNc86-0002aa-L2 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:18:55 -0400 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-146.messagelabs.com!1158182326!3424938!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [134.24.146.67] Received: (qmail 20596 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2006 21:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maillennium.att.com) (134.24.146.67) by server-8.tower-146.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2006 21:18:46 -0000 Received: from [135.91.110.64] (thansen-n.mt.att.com[135.91.110.64](untrusted sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20060913211845gw1003joq8e> (Authid: tony); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:18:45 +0000 Message-ID: <450875AD.7000904@att.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:18:37 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Tiny URLs References: <20060913153749.GL10145@ccil.org> <450836B0.4010008@yahoo-inc.com> <45083F66.7E6E@xyzzy.claranet.de> <45085EDF.9020600@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <45085EDF.9020600@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I'd say to add other formats, but don't change the default. Tony Hansen tony@att.com Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> And maybe let &difftype=--hwdiff be the default, instead of >> the side-by-side diff (?) > > This is less obvious to me... I personally always want the side-by-side > diff, but if most people want --hwdiff, we could change. Either way, > I've considered adding links to other diff formats at the top of the > diff generated, but haven't gone there yet. > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss