From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 2 01:33:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C606128C222; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 01:33:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6872C3A69A4 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:24:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YkpjLthRr2ei for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CB63A6826 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78435481E0; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:25:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (thunder2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dS-h5Jg6bwau; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [64.9.239.248] (user-64-9-239-248.googlewifi.com [64.9.239.248]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4DA4818D; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:25:09 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:25:07 -0700 From: Alexa Morris To: Lars Eggert , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mailing List Filters Thread-Index: AckkTzsjebWZJpBCEd2xGgAf88vDKQ== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:33:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mailing List Filters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Lars, It's very simple for us to note your email address as an exception to this rule, and we have done so now. In fact, because we realized that this might be an issue for some community members, we created a form for people to let us know if they had difficulty sending email, see here: http://www.ietf.org/contactform.html (this is accessible from the Secretariat contact area of the website) Hopefully your problem should be resolved, but please let me know if you experience any further difficulties. Regards, Alexa On 10/1/08 1:28 PM, "Lars Eggert" wrote: > On 2008-6-5, at 18:03, ext Alexa Morris wrote: >> If you are curious to know what spam rules we are reinstating on Monday, >> they are: > ... >> Rule B. This rule does a reverse lookup on the client's IP address, and >> makes sure that we can identify it as being IN-REV'ed by someone. > > FYI, this rule B has just bit me, because I don't have access to the > reverse DNS zone of my IPv6 block, and I turned on IPv6 for sendmail. > Is there some way around this? > > (CC'ing the tools folks, because I think someone has hit the same > issue recently.) > > Lars > > ********************************************** > ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** > ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** > ********************************************** > > The original message was received at Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:59:57 +0300 (EEST) > from [IPv6:2001:2060:40:2:219:e3ff:fe06:dc74] > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to mail.ietf.org.: > DATA > <<< 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find your reverse hostname, > [2001:2060:40:1::123] > ... Deferred: 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: > cannot find your reverse hostname, [2001:2060:40:1::123] > <<< 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find your reverse hostname, > [2001:2060:40:1::123] > ... Deferred: 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: > cannot find your reverse hostname, [2001:2060:40:1::123] > <<< 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find your reverse hostname, > [2001:2060:40:1::123] > ... Deferred: 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot > find your reverse hostname, [2001:2060:40:1::123] > <<< 554 5.5.1 Error: no valid recipients > Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours > Will keep trying until message is 5 days old > Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.fit.nokia.com > Arrival-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:59:57 +0300 (EEST) > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; tsv-dir@ietf.org > Action: delayed > Status: 4.7.1 > Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.ietf.org > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find > your reverse hostname, [2001:2060:40:1::123] > Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:21:21 +0300 (EEST) > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; tsv-chairs@ietf.org > Action: delayed > Status: 4.7.1 > Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.ietf.org > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find > your reverse hostname, [2001:2060:40:1::123] > Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:21:21 +0300 (EEST) > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; tsv-area@ietf.org > Action: delayed > Status: 4.7.1 > Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.ietf.org > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find > your reverse hostname, [2001:2060:40:1::123] > Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:21:21 +0300 (EEST) > > From: Lars Eggert > Date: October 1, 2008 16:59:56 GMT+03:00 > To: TSV Area > Cc: tsv-chairs@ietf.org, TSV Dir > Subject: Fwd: Request for additional nominations > > > I nominated a few folks I think would do a good job, please do > likewise. The NomCom process works best if there is a sizable > candidate pool. > > Lars > > Begin forwarded message: > From: "ext NomCom Chair" > Date: October 1, 2008 4:30:24 GMT+03:00 > To: IETF Announcement list > Subject: Request for additional nominations > > The nomcom believes that it would be beneficial to the nomcom process if > there were additional nominations for IESG in the following areas: > Applications, General, Security and Transport. We would encourage > community members to nominate additional candidates in these areas. The > deadline for nominations is October 3. Thank you for assistance in this > matter. > > Nominations can be submitted using the form at > https://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/08/nominate > or via email to nomcom08@ietf.org > > Thank you, > Joel M. Halpern > > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 2 02:14:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41D73A6B16; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 02:14:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1EB3A6B16 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 02:14:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.749 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.749 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rZruCkGBhBVJ for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 02:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.nic.fr (mx2.nic.fr [192.134.4.11]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692943A68B9 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 02:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 53BDA1C0215; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:43:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [192.134.4.163]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3CC1C01A9; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:43:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4284E7B00DA; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:43:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:43:33 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Alexa Morris Message-ID: <20081002084333.GA13490@nic.fr> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.26-1-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mailing List Filters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 10:25:07PM -0700, Alexa Morris wrote a message of 131 lines which said: > It's very simple for us to note your email address as an exception to this > rule, and we have done so now. Great for Lars but this is not the point. The point is that IETF mail servers are blocking SMTP servers on a very bad basis, with a test that most IETFers regard as meaningless and which is not sanctioned by any RFC. See for more information. _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 3 09:18:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8E93A693B; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:18:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118B23A693B for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:18:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MnWz1cB4ZUyT for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B603A68E1 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2917148214; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:18:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (thunder2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7wJpirlP3ayQ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.126.244.163] (adsl-66-126-244-166.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [66.126.244.166]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41C34821F; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:18:42 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:18:32 -0700 From: Alexa Morris To: Stephane Bortzmeyer Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mailing List Filters Thread-Index: Acklc62N69whdpFmEd2nMgAf88vDKQ== In-Reply-To: <20081002084333.GA13490@nic.fr> Mime-version: 1.0 Cc: Russ Housley , tools-discuss@ietf.org, Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mailing List Filters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Stephane, Several months ago we presented the IETF leadership with various options for how to configure the mail server settings in order to most effectively minimize the amount of spam that moderators had to deal with, while still being as flexible as possible for the community. We then implemented the option that was selected. However, it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to achieve a balance that pleases everyone. That said, we are always happy to make changes to the server configurations if directed to do so by the leadership. Alexa On 10/2/08 1:43 AM, "Stephane Bortzmeyer" wrote: > On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 10:25:07PM -0700, > Alexa Morris wrote > a message of 131 lines which said: > >> It's very simple for us to note your email address as an exception to this >> rule, and we have done so now. > > Great for Lars but this is not the point. The point is that IETF mail > servers are blocking SMTP servers on a very bad basis, with a test > that most IETFers regard as meaningless and which is not sanctioned by > any RFC. > > See > > for more information. > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 23 14:36:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5DF3A6867; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:36:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E183A6867 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:36:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.049, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CZbK4IDttwss for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9285C3A67A3 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:36:08 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,472,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="110711753" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Oct 2008 21:37:29 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m9NLbRn4011532; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:37:27 -0700 Received: from [192.168.4.177] (rcdn-fluffy-8711.cisco.com [10.99.9.18]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9NLbP1Y005622; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:37:26 GMT From: Cullen Jennings To: Tools Discuss In-Reply-To: Impp: xmpp:cullenfluffyjennings@jabber.org References: <48EFBECB.9070801@ericsson.com> <5383F395-82E8-4D4C-9B56-AA30C3699D16@cisco.com> Message-Id: <65702617-AA94-4D0C-B00D-3E38399FB067@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:37:20 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3669; t=1224797847; x=1225661847; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fluffy@cisco.com; z=From:=20Cullen=20Jennings=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20Gen-ART=20review=20of=20draft-ietf-sip- rph-new-namespaces-03.txt |Sender:=20; bh=xqUShYt6oAxnj/azDLVidRmoRjfw8yHvO2WTmvgsBNU=; b=gahOBBC7NoGyttGYH24Ttufvcux0qqP6YtP9R3Vjfv3MmQha0yPKTa8Xy7 RE56x0CfHGrl9WDC6wqKvqhfdu7OTDVNLsRiwrIiZ4myl58z5xB7wI4geszU QsoOG8UW7d; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=fluffy@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Cc: James M Polk Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-sip-rph-new-namespaces-03.txt X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Folks, not sure that anyone needs to reply to this but I wanted you to be aware of issues some folks where having .... On Oct 21, 2008, at 11:09 AM, James M. Polk wrote: > At 11:24 AM 10/21/2008, Cullen Jennings wrote: > >> On Oct 20, 2008, at 4:00 PM, James M. Polk wrote: >> >>> Now, that said - should I submit -04 with these minor changes before >>> Thursday's meeting? >>> >>> The changes are mostly deletions, with 3 or 4 other parts that I >>> changed a word or two. >>> >>> I also corrected the middle 20 namespaces listed at the beginning of >>> section 2. >>> >>> I'm waiting until someone tells me to do something >> >> If you can get the new version in today or tomorrow, please do that. > > I'm trying - but the tool isn't letting me submit the ID. First the > tool tells me I don't have a submission date, or it is in the wrong > format. Then, when I submit it manually (by adjusting the meta-data > for the date ) it claims I need to put my given and family name in > the ID before it will accept my submission. Gee, I didn't think I > had to tell any reader who wrote the doc... when did that become a > requirement? In the ~240 previous IDs I've submitted it was never a > requirement.... > > grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I **HATE** that there is no "I want the tool to accept what I've > submitted anyway" button... > > FYI -- here's the first page of the ID, perhaps someone else can > tell me what's wrong with this page (which is preventing this > submission)? > > > SIP Working Group James > Polk > Internet-Draft Cisco > Systems > Expires: April 21st, 2009 October 21, > 2008 > Intended Status: Standards Track (as PS) > > > IANA Registration of New Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) > Resource-Priority Namespaces > draft-ietf-sip-rph-new-namespaces-04.txt > > Status of this Memo > > By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that any > applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he or she is aware > have been or will be disclosed, and any of which he or she becomes > aware will be disclosed, in accordance with Section 6 of BCP 79. > > Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering > Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that > other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet- > Drafts. > > Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six > months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents > at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as > reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." > > The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at > http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt. > > The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. > > This Internet-Draft will expire on April 21, 2009. > > Copyright Notice > > Copyright (C) The IETF Trust (2008). > > Abstract > > This document creates additional Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) > Resource-Priority namespaces to meet the requirements of the US > Defense Information Systems Agency, and places these namespaces in > the IANA registry. > > > > > > > > Polk Expires April 21, 2009 [Page > 1] > Internet-Draft New SIP RPH Namespaces for DISA Oct > 2008 > > > >> Thanks, Cullen > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 23 15:46:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45473A68D1; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:46:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23173A68D1 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:46:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0zeL3RX0gpAE for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510A83A68A8 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:46:11 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,473,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="25476116" Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Oct 2008 22:47:31 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m9NMlVHx008578 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:47:31 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9NMlVDe012209 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:47:31 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:47:30 -0400 Received: from jmpolk-wxp01.cisco.com ([10.82.209.77]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:47:30 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:47:30 -0500 To: Cullen Jennings , Tools Discuss From: "James M. Polk" In-Reply-To: <65702617-AA94-4D0C-B00D-3E38399FB067@cisco.com> References: <48EFBECB.9070801@ericsson.com> <5383F395-82E8-4D4C-9B56-AA30C3699D16@cisco.com> <65702617-AA94-4D0C-B00D-3E38399FB067@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2008 22:47:30.0685 (UTC) FILETIME=[54C1B2D0:01C93561] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=4865; t=1224802051; x=1225666051; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jmpolk@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22James=20M.=20Polk=22=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20Gen-ART=20review=20of=20draft-ietf-sip- rph-new-namespaces-03.txt |Sender:=20 |To:=20Cullen=20Jennings=20,=20Tools=20Di scuss=20; bh=s+9iy4DgZnu8wcTcDUevHwGY9J9PMIDaPuJPVD0gsGE=; b=k7vV2Q0IFVBd27StJHg1SgifNCGU/18dX4v79OIs+7Q/Zd6cuSJUrq+L3c VoOglw1Ex1AZL0QWXBFub2Q8VHGMzPrHHUdHA9GYBoyCvTRnuKfoyrttW25J jdTZwX8r/x; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=jmpolk@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-sip-rph-new-namespaces-03.txt X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I discovered a workaround to this failure because the Expires date and the submission date are on the same line (one explicitly identified - and one implicit), the tool seemed to have a problem distinguishing between the two. once I moved the Expires date to another line (while not changing the submission date) - the upload tool worked fine. I'm thinking the upload tool or the ID checker tool couldn't figure out why there were two dates associated with the explicit Expires identification - even though there were approximately 40 space characters between the two dates -- creating a very easy human understandable segregation between the two. One of the tools couldn't make this visual decision. BTW - I've submitted over 240 IDs to date, and each of the individual IDs where I am the only author have (for years) had the Expires date and the submission date on the same line (though I have not checked all of them, a good sampling of my submissions is consistent with this conclusion). Therefore - I'm observing either a bug or a change (or both) in the upload tool. At 04:37 PM 10/23/2008, Cullen Jennings wrote: >Folks, not sure that anyone needs to reply to this but I wanted you to >be aware of issues some folks where having .... > >On Oct 21, 2008, at 11:09 AM, James M. Polk wrote: > >>At 11:24 AM 10/21/2008, Cullen Jennings wrote: >> >>>On Oct 20, 2008, at 4:00 PM, James M. Polk wrote: >>> >>>>Now, that said - should I submit -04 with these minor changes before >>>>Thursday's meeting? >>>> >>>>The changes are mostly deletions, with 3 or 4 other parts that I >>>>changed a word or two. >>>> >>>>I also corrected the middle 20 namespaces listed at the beginning of >>>>section 2. >>>> >>>>I'm waiting until someone tells me to do something >>> >>>If you can get the new version in today or tomorrow, please do that. >> >>I'm trying - but the tool isn't letting me submit the ID. First the >>tool tells me I don't have a submission date, or it is in the wrong >>format. Then, when I submit it manually (by adjusting the meta-data >>for the date ) it claims I need to put my given and family name in >>the ID before it will accept my submission. Gee, I didn't think I >>had to tell any reader who wrote the doc... when did that become a >>requirement? In the ~240 previous IDs I've submitted it was never a >>requirement.... >> >>grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >>I **HATE** that there is no "I want the tool to accept what I've >>submitted anyway" button... >> >>FYI -- here's the first page of the ID, perhaps someone else can >>tell me what's wrong with this page (which is preventing this >>submission)? >> >> >>SIP Working Group James >>Polk >>Internet-Draft Cisco >>Systems >>Expires: April 21st, 2009 October 21, >>2008 >>Intended Status: Standards Track (as PS) >> >> >> IANA Registration of New Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) >> Resource-Priority Namespaces >> draft-ietf-sip-rph-new-namespaces-04.txt >> >>Status of this Memo >> >> By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that any >> applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he or she is aware >> have been or will be disclosed, and any of which he or she becomes >> aware will be disclosed, in accordance with Section 6 of BCP 79. >> >> Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering >> Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that >> other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet- >> Drafts. >> >> Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six >> months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents >> at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as >> reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." >> >> The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at >> http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt. >> >> The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at >> http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. >> >> This Internet-Draft will expire on April 21, 2009. >> >>Copyright Notice >> >> Copyright (C) The IETF Trust (2008). >> >>Abstract >> >> This document creates additional Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) >> Resource-Priority namespaces to meet the requirements of the US >> Defense Information Systems Agency, and places these namespaces in >> the IANA registry. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Polk Expires April 21, 2009 [Page >>1] >>Internet-Draft New SIP RPH Namespaces for DISA Oct >>2008 >> >> >> >>>Thanks, Cullen _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 23 17:58:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB963A6898; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:58:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2383A68D1 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:58:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lfieDv8dBR8S for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501D03A6898 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51820 helo=chardonnay.local) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KtB1O-00025E-6I; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:59:22 +0200 Message-ID: <49011DDF.4080806@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:59:11 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James M. Polk" References: <48EFBECB.9070801@ericsson.com> <5383F395-82E8-4D4C-9B56-AA30C3699D16@cisco.com> <65702617-AA94-4D0C-B00D-3E38399FB067@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: jmpolk@cisco.com, fluffy@cisco.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: Cullen Jennings , Tools Discuss Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-sip-rph-new-namespaces-03.txt X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0932196920==" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0932196920== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7212AA2B40E325F96F05F011" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7212AA2B40E325F96F05F011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2008-10-24 00:47 James M. Polk said the following: > I discovered a workaround to this failure >=20 > because the Expires date and the submission date are on the same line=20 > (one explicitly identified - and one implicit), the tool seemed to=20 > have a problem distinguishing between the two. >=20 > once I moved the Expires date to another line (while not changing the=20 > submission date) - the upload tool worked fine. >=20 > I'm thinking the upload tool or the ID checker tool couldn't figure=20 > out why there were two dates associated with the explicit Expires=20 > identification - even though there were approximately 40 space=20 > characters between the two dates -- creating a very easy human=20 > understandable segregation between the two. Idnits has no problem with the two dates on the same line, but the submission tool is broken in this regard. > One of the tools couldn't make this visual decision. >=20 > BTW - I've submitted over 240 IDs to date, and each of the individual=20 > IDs where I am the only author have (for years) had the Expires date=20 > and the submission date on the same line (though I have not checked=20 > all of them, a good sampling of my submissions is consistent with=20 > this conclusion). >=20 > Therefore - I'm observing either a bug or a change (or both) in the=20 > upload tool. Oh, it's a bug all right. I expect this is already fixed in the re- write Bill is working on. Henrik > At 04:37 PM 10/23/2008, Cullen Jennings wrote: >=20 >> Folks, not sure that anyone needs to reply to this but I wanted you to= >> be aware of issues some folks where having .... >> >> On Oct 21, 2008, at 11:09 AM, James M. Polk wrote: >> >>> At 11:24 AM 10/21/2008, Cullen Jennings wrote: >>> >>>> On Oct 20, 2008, at 4:00 PM, James M. Polk wrote: >>>> >>>>> Now, that said - should I submit -04 with these minor changes befor= e >>>>> Thursday's meeting? >>>>> >>>>> The changes are mostly deletions, with 3 or 4 other parts that I >>>>> changed a word or two. >>>>> >>>>> I also corrected the middle 20 namespaces listed at the beginning o= f >>>>> section 2. >>>>> >>>>> I'm waiting until someone tells me to do something >>>> If you can get the new version in today or tomorrow, please do that.= >>> I'm trying - but the tool isn't letting me submit the ID. First the >>> tool tells me I don't have a submission date, or it is in the wrong >>> format. Then, when I submit it manually (by adjusting the meta-data >>> for the date ) it claims I need to put my given and family name in >>> the ID before it will accept my submission. Gee, I didn't think I >>> had to tell any reader who wrote the doc... when did that become a >>> requirement? In the ~240 previous IDs I've submitted it was never a >>> requirement.... >>> >>> grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!! >>> >>> I **HATE** that there is no "I want the tool to accept what I've >>> submitted anyway" button... >>> >>> FYI -- here's the first page of the ID, perhaps someone else can >>> tell me what's wrong with this page (which is preventing this >>> submission)? >>> >>> >>> SIP Working Group James >>> Polk >>> Internet-Draft Cisco >>> Systems >>> Expires: April 21st, 2009 October 21, >>> 2008 >>> Intended Status: Standards Track (as PS) >>> >>> >>> IANA Registration of New Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) >>> Resource-Priority Namespaces >>> draft-ietf-sip-rph-new-namespaces-04.txt >>> >>> Status of this Memo >>> >>> By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that any >>> applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he or she is aware >>> have been or will be disclosed, and any of which he or she becomes >>> aware will be disclosed, in accordance with Section 6 of BCP 79. >>> >>> Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering >>> Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that >>> other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet- >>> Drafts. >>> >>> Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six >>> months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other document= s >>> at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as >>> reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress.= " >>> >>> The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at >>> http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt. >>> >>> The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at >>> http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. >>> >>> This Internet-Draft will expire on April 21, 2009. >>> >>> Copyright Notice >>> >>> Copyright (C) The IETF Trust (2008). >>> >>> Abstract >>> >>> This document creates additional Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) >>> Resource-Priority namespaces to meet the requirements of the US >>> Defense Information Systems Agency, and places these namespaces in >>> the IANA registry. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Polk Expires April 21, 2009 [Page >>> 1] >>> Internet-Draft New SIP RPH Namespaces for DISA Oct >>> 2008 >>> >>> >>> >>>> Thanks, Cullen >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 --------------enig7212AA2B40E325F96F05F011 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAkkBHeoACgkQeVhrtTJkXCP07ACffi3fAPyGfNl5nWd2zTuhcxP6 kCoAoNscoIlwbv3DLR+rvAgQBE2SkKwE =Hy7r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7212AA2B40E325F96F05F011-- --===============0932196920== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0932196920==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 23 21:30:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B87F3A6864; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:30:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453FA3A6864 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:30:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.58 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.58 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tpEEQeiJ1olY for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41FE83A65A5 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:30:50 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,474,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="25497769" Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Oct 2008 04:32:10 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m9O4WAI0017895; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:32:10 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9O4WAeP022622; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:32:10 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:32:10 -0400 Received: from jmpolk-wxp01.cisco.com ([10.82.209.77]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:32:10 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:32:08 -0500 To: Henrik Levkowetz From: "James M. Polk" In-Reply-To: <49011DDF.4080806@levkowetz.com> References: <48EFBECB.9070801@ericsson.com> <5383F395-82E8-4D4C-9B56-AA30C3699D16@cisco.com> <65702617-AA94-4D0C-B00D-3E38399FB067@cisco.com> <49011DDF.4080806@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2008 04:32:10.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AA67870:01C93591] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=799; t=1224822730; x=1225686730; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jmpolk@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22James=20M.=20Polk=22=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[Tools-discuss]=20Gen-ART=20review=0A=2 0=20of=09draft-ietf-sip-rph-new-namespaces-03.txt |Sender:=20 |To:=20Henrik=20Levkowetz=20; bh=1Z7prftQKSwkgTLj4AsTlM/81ft+J8ZAFYVKpjqvqjs=; b=YJceWEw7Rgf4YyC2cIIgdvE9F2qeEHyzurA7Rrrd7qXWqG+8hg1m/NWuj0 Dmfg2f32apvEkj130xTr2/tfSNs8hDlh4+2ccZJROBrgi4rrnaRFO487EuoZ dyEhD+wUR3; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=jmpolk@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); Cc: Cullen Jennings , Tools Discuss Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-sip-rph-new-namespaces-03.txt X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org At 07:59 PM 10/23/2008, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >Idnits has no problem with the two dates on the same line, but the >submission tool is broken in this regard. > > > One of the tools couldn't make this visual decision. > > > > BTW - I've submitted over 240 IDs to date, and each of the individual > > IDs where I am the only author have (for years) had the Expires date > > and the submission date on the same line (though I have not checked > > all of them, a good sampling of my submissions is consistent with > > this conclusion). > > > > Therefore - I'm observing either a bug or a change (or both) in the > > upload tool. > >Oh, it's a bug all right. I expect this is already fixed in the re- >write Bill is working on. Henrik Thank you! James > Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss