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If  you will be able to join us in Minneapolis for this IETF's  
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http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETF73SprintSignUp

There's the beginnings of some information about the sprint at
http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETF73Sprint

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> From: IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org>
> Date: August 19, 2008 4:30:10 PM CDT
> To: IETF Announcement list <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Minneapolis IETF Code Sprint
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>
> Minneapolis IETF Code Sprint
>
> When:  November 15, 2008, begining at 9:30 AM
>
> Where: IETF Hotel in Minneapolis
>
> What:  A bunch of hackers get together to work on code for IETF tools.
>       Some people may be porting of existing functionality to the
>       new framework; some people may be adding exciting new
>       functionality.  All code will become part of the open source
>       IETF tools.
>
> Who:   Hopefully you can help
>
> Henrik Levkowetz and Bill Fenner will be coordinating the event.  You
> will hear more from them shortly, beginning with brainstorming about
> which things to work on during this event.
>
> Please support the tools development effort,
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There's the beginnings of some information about the sprint at<br><a =
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wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETF73Sprint</a><br><br>RjS<br><div>=
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of hackers get together to work on code for IETF tools.<br> =
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&nbsp;&nbsp;Hopefully you can help<br><br>Henrik Levkowetz and Bill =
Fenner will be coordinating the event. &nbsp;You<br>will hear more from =
them shortly, beginning with brainstorming about<br>which things to work =
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effort,<br> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;Russ<br>_______________________________________________<br>IET=
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I'll be there!

FYI: I already have working Django code that replaces the old
"update-web-pages-agenda" and "update-web-pages-agenda-public" 
scripts (AKA gen_agenda_html.pl and gen_agenda_html_public.pl).

These scripts generate the IESG telechat agenda HTML page from
the database. Rewriting them in Django was relatively simple,
and reduced e.g. LoC by more than 75%.

Best regards,
Pasi

> -----Original Message-----
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> There's the beginnings of some information about the sprint at
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Way cool!

Have you checked it in (so we can use it as an example)?

RjS

On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:33 AM, <Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com> <Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com 
 > wrote:

> I'll be there!
>
> FYI: I already have working Django code that replaces the old
> "update-web-pages-agenda" and "update-web-pages-agenda-public"
> scripts (AKA gen_agenda_html.pl and gen_agenda_html_public.pl).
>
> These scripts generate the IESG telechat agenda HTML page from
> the database. Rewriting them in Django was relatively simple,
> and reduced e.g. LoC by more than 75%.
>
> Best regards,
> Pasi
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Sparks
>> Sent: 04 November, 2008 00:40
>> To: Tools Discuss
>> Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Minneapolis IETF Code Sprint
>>
>>
>> If you will be able to join us in Minneapolis for this IETF's
>> codesprint, please add yourself to the signup sheet at
>> http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETF73SprintSignUp
>>
>> There's the beginnings of some information about the sprint at
>> http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETF73Sprint
>>
>> RjS
> <snip>
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Not yet (I still have one Nokia internal process step
which isn't done -- but I hope to get everything in order
before the code sprint).

Best regards,
Pasi 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Robert Sparks [mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com] 
> Sent: 04 November, 2008 18:57
> To: Eronen Pasi (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki)
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> 
> Way cool!
> 
> Have you checked it in (so we can use it as an example)?
> 
> RjS
> 
> On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:33 AM, <Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com> 
> <Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com 
>  > wrote:
> 
> > I'll be there!
> >
> > FYI: I already have working Django code that replaces the old
> > "update-web-pages-agenda" and "update-web-pages-agenda-public"
> > scripts (AKA gen_agenda_html.pl and gen_agenda_html_public.pl).
> >
> > These scripts generate the IESG telechat agenda HTML page from
> > the database. Rewriting them in Django was relatively simple,
> > and reduced e.g. LoC by more than 75%.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Pasi
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Robert Sparks
> >> Sent: 04 November, 2008 00:40
> >> To: Tools Discuss
> >> Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Minneapolis IETF Code Sprint
> >>
> >>
> >> If you will be able to join us in Minneapolis for this IETF's
> >> codesprint, please add yourself to the signup sheet at
> >> http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETF73SprintSignUp
> >>
> >> There's the beginnings of some information about the sprint at
> >> http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETF73Sprint
> >>
> >> RjS
> > <snip>
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 <<draft-ietf-bmwg-mpls-forwarding-meth-01.txt>> Hello,

I'm trying to submit a new version of a current draft
(http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bmwg-mpls-forwarding-meth-00).

But the submission tool (https://datatracker.ietf.org/idst/upload.cgi)
does not seem to accept the attached file as a text file. Specifically,
the tool fails with this error:

"Error
Your request was not processed due to the following error(s):
A plain text document must be submitted.
Please go back to Upload Page and re-submit your draft."



--
Aamer Akhter / aa@cisco.com
cisco Systems


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You're going to have to wait until next week. I agree that the error  
message is a trifle odd, but the tool is inoperative this week. That  
was the point of the draft cut-offs.

On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Aamer Akhter (aakhter) wrote:

> <<draft-ietf-bmwg-mpls-forwarding-meth-01.txt>> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to submit a new version of a current draft
> (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bmwg-mpls-forwarding-meth-00).
>
> But the submission tool (https://datatracker.ietf.org/idst/upload.cgi)
> does not seem to accept the attached file as a text file.  
> Specifically,
> the tool fails with this error:
>
> "Error
> Your request was not processed due to the following error(s):
> A plain text document must be submitted.
> Please go back to Upload Page and re-submit your draft."
>
>
>
> --
> Aamer Akhter / aa@cisco.com
> cisco Systems
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No worries. We had submitted it via email.

Also it turns out that the problem is that the script seems to be
checking the beginning text (ie Network group etc) that is what is
causing the different behavior.

-- aa


> -----Original Message-----
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> To: Aamer Akhter (aakhter)
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> You're going to have to wait until next week. I agree that the error
> message is a trifle odd, but the tool is inoperative this week. That
> was the point of the draft cut-offs.
> 
> On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Aamer Akhter (aakhter) wrote:
> 
> > <<draft-ietf-bmwg-mpls-forwarding-meth-01.txt>> Hello,
> >
> > I'm trying to submit a new version of a current draft
> >
(http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bmwg-mpls-forwarding-meth-00).
> >
> > But the submission tool
> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/idst/upload.cgi)
> > does not seem to accept the attached file as a text file.
> > Specifically,
> > the tool fails with this error:
> >
> > "Error
> > Your request was not processed due to the following error(s):
> > A plain text document must be submitted.
> > Please go back to Upload Page and re-submit your draft."
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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Tools team,

The GEOPRIV WG has run an experiment during the last few meetings where we have operated a location information server (LIS) on the IETF network.  We've had good support from the NOC.  Bill, Noah, Hans, Rob and a few others have all been very helpful.

One thing that we've been working on this meeting is the geolocation API that will be defined by the W3C as a standard.  A beta version of this API is available here, including a set of "IETF" extensions:

  <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9593>

One really nice thing about this extension is that it can automatically provide a civic location that includes the room.

Using this information, I've made a few minor additions that will enhance the venue map page at <http://tools.ietf.org/rooms>.  If you are able, adding support for this extension would be appreciated.

Regards,
Martin

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// new functions
	function located(loc)
	{
           if (loc.civic && loc.civic.ROOM)
           {
              // map from "TerminalRoom" to "terminal-room" as necessary.
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	}
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	function automaticarrow()
	{
	    if (navigator.geolocation)
	    {
	        navigator.geolocation.getCurrentPosition(located);
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// I also found that the check in checkParams didn't work well:
//-    if (room != "") setarrow(room);
//+    if (room && room != "") setarrow(room);
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I like the ability to subscribe to a calendar for the IETF Meeting.  
One of the issues is of course that I have to select the working  
groups for every IETF meeting, and that people should remember to  
unsubscribe and subscribe for every meeting. I understand there is  
some load issues, but we all forget...

But the main questions I have as a member of ISOC BoT. I by accident  
got to know that ICANN is looking for calendar tools that can be used  
for the events for their board, and similarly I find my life so easy  
in the IETF that I would like ISOC BoT to have similar lists. And  
there must be other "groups" that would like to have calendars that  
one can "subscribe" to. Some calendars being sensitive, i.e. with  
access control.

But, it is not x-mas, and of course everyone want a pony as well :-)  
but to start with, ISOC has this calendar:

http://ws.edu.isoc.org/calendar/

That calendar, if run on your tool, could include (I imagine) a  
checkmark/subscribe mechanism where I can say "I want to know of all  
RIPE and IETF meetings, but I do not care about the others". Then I  
get all of those events, including the ones that are added.

And groups could also have authentication and approval by some  
moderator before one can subscribe to certain calendars.

Or wait, is that what Google already has?

Hmm...

Bottom line, I like your calendar for the IETF calendar, and would  
like others to use similar mechanisms. But how?

Can ISOC help? If ICANN has the need, maybe they can do some  
development with the help of $$$?

Maybe we should have talked during the IETF ...

Anyway, I like what you do! Using many of your tools!

Check for example http://stupid.domain.name/idnabis/

On http://tools.ietf.org/wg/idnabis/, there is a link under related  
documents called "replaced by". What is triggering that? If I could  
control that, I would not need my page. Specifically if one can add  
other links as well.

     Patrik


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On Nov 22, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote:
> http://ws.edu.isoc.org/calendar/
>
> That calendar, if run on your tool, could include (I imagine) a  =

> checkmark/subscribe mechanism where I can say "I want to know of all  =

> RIPE and IETF meetings, but I do not care about the others". Then I  =

> get all of those events, including the ones that are added.

So, let me see if I understand what you are asking for.

If I were building Henrik's tool, I would have some sort of database  =

that listed things I was calendaring - for example, it might monitor http:/=
/www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/index.html =

  and look for lines that looked something like "RIPE 58 will take  =

place in Amsterdam from 4-8 May 2009", and would daily delete whatever  =

RIPE meetings it knew about and log whatever the tool now said, which  =

might include making the RIPE 58 entry go away and create a new entry  =

for RIPE 59. Similarly, for the IETF, it might have entries named ietf- =

<something> that are updated each meeting - "when is enum meeting" is  =

always answered by the event "ietf-enum", even if it's an interim  =

meeting.

And instead of subscribing to something like http://ws.edu.isoc.org/calenda=
r/ical/wrc-all.ics =

, you want to be able to subscribe to something like http://www.isoc.org/ca=
lendar/ical/private/events=3Dripe+nanog+sanog+isoc-bot+ietf-xmpp+ietf-enum+=
who+knows+what.ics

which seems like a matter of (oversimplified) asking the database what  =

it knows about entries with those character strings.

right?

> Bottom line, I like your calendar for the IETF calendar, and would  =

> like others to use similar mechanisms.

Yes. I have only one issue - Henrik has to make it happen for each  =

IETF, where it would be really nice if somehow he could set it up to  =

make itself.


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On 22 nov 2008, at 18.25, Fred Baker wrote:

> On Nov 22, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote:
>> http://ws.edu.isoc.org/calendar/
>>
>> That calendar, if run on your tool, could include (I imagine) a  =

>> checkmark/subscribe mechanism where I can say "I want to know of  =

>> all RIPE and IETF meetings, but I do not care about the others".  =

>> Then I get all of those events, including the ones that are added.
>
> So, let me see if I understand what you are asking for.
>
> If I were building Henrik's tool, I would have some sort of database  =

> that listed things I was calendaring - for example, it might monitor http=
://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/index.html =

>  and look for lines that looked something like "RIPE 58 will take  =

> place in Amsterdam from 4-8 May 2009", and would daily delete  =

> whatever RIPE meetings it knew about and log whatever the tool now  =

> said, which might include making the RIPE 58 entry go away and  =

> create a new entry for RIPE 59. Similarly, for the IETF, it might  =

> have entries named ietf-<something> that are updated each meeting -  =

> "when is enum meeting" is always answered by the event "ietf-enum",  =

> even if it's an interim meeting.

Not really. I think RIPE should be required to go to this new calendar  =

tool and update their part of the central repository of calendars.  =

Just like they do on the ISOC calendar.

I.e. I do not include the "I want a robot that do screen scraping" in  =

my wishes.

> And instead of subscribing to something like http://ws.edu.isoc.org/calen=
dar/ical/wrc-all.ics =

> , you want to be able to subscribe to something like http://www.isoc.org/=
calendar/ical/private/events=3Dripe+nanog+sanog+isoc-bot+ietf-xmpp+ietf-enu=
m+who+knows+what.ics

Yes.

> which seems like a matter of (oversimplified) asking the database  =

> what it knows about entries with those character strings.
>
> right?

Yes.

>> Bottom line, I like your calendar for the IETF calendar, and would  =

>> like others to use similar mechanisms.
>
> Yes. I have only one issue - Henrik has to make it happen for each  =

> IETF, where it would be really nice if somehow he could set it up to  =

> make itself.

Agreed. So if I understand things correctly, the current IETF calendar  =

is created more or less manually before each meeting? A better  =

situation would be to have a more general database backend that some  =

editors can edit. Then the tools team does not have to do anything at  =

all when a new IETF meeting is created.

Note that the ISOC calendar is one where there are editors for the  =

events. Would that be difficult to do for this tools-calendar?

    Patrik

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On 2008-11-23 01:25 Fred Baker said the following:
=2E..
> Yes. I have only one issue - Henrik has to make it happen for each =20
> IETF, where it would be really nice if somehow he could set it up to =20
> make itself.

Mostly it's automated, but it works by using the current text-format
IETF agenda page as input, so is close to screenscraping that way.
I hope to be able to use the information in the database directly now
that we are able to more easily contribute code running against the
database directly.

There are two things I have to do manually for each meeting, though:

 * Add timezone information
 * Fix typos in the agenda-page (there always seem to be some)

I'd love to have it fully automated, though, and with the right
database content and access that should be eminently possible.



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Resending...

On 2008-11-23 01:37 Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m said the following:
> On 22 nov 2008, at 18.25, Fred Baker wrote:
...
>>> Bottom line, I like your calendar for the IETF calendar, and would  =

>>> like others to use similar mechanisms.
>> Yes. I have only one issue - Henrik has to make it happen for each  =

>> IETF, where it would be really nice if somehow he could set it up to  =

>> make itself.
> =

> Agreed. So if I understand things correctly, the current IETF calendar  =

> is created more or less manually before each meeting? =


The iCal feed is (as mentioned in my previous response) almost entirely
automatic, except for setting up the right timezone information and fixing
typos.

>A better  =

> situation would be to have a more general database backend that some  =

> editors can edit. Then the tools team does not have to do anything at  =

> all when a new IETF meeting is created.

Agreed.

> Note that the ISOC calendar is one where there are editors for the  =

> events. Would that be difficult to do for this tools-calendar?

Yes.  But maybe the current tool is ripe for an update...


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Hi Patrik,

On 2008-11-23 01:01 Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m said the following:
> I like the ability to subscribe to a calendar for the IETF Meeting. =20
> One of the issues is of course that I have to select the working =20
> groups for every IETF meeting, and that people should remember to =20
> unsubscribe and subscribe for every meeting. I understand there is =20
> some load issues, but we all forget...

Regarding the unsubscribe/subscribe and load issue -- right now,
the generation of the calendar information is highly dynamic, so
if ~1000 people would update every 15 minutes, I'd probably see
a bit of loading of the server from this, but it should still be
able to handle it without breathing heavily.  The scripts can be
re-worked to generate more static information, though, so this
should not be viewed as an issue.

As for selecting the WGs for each meeting, I've had in mind to
provide a rolling calendar in addition to the current meeting-
specific ones, with an URL which wouldn't change from meeting to
meeting, so that it would be possible to keep the same subscription
across meetings and only have to tweak the subscribe information
with per-meeting changes.  It would be nice to have a web gui for
that, too; but I haven't worked out the details needed.

> But the main questions I have as a member of ISOC BoT. I by accident =20
> got to know that ICANN is looking for calendar tools that can be used  =

> for the events for their board, and similarly I find my life so easy =20
> in the IETF that I would like ISOC BoT to have similar lists. And =20
> there must be other "groups" that would like to have calendars that =20
> one can "subscribe" to. Some calendars being sensitive, i.e. with =20
> access control.
>=20
> But, it is not x-mas, and of course everyone want a pony as well :-) =20
> but to start with, ISOC has this calendar:
>=20
> http://ws.edu.isoc.org/calendar/

Mm.  No indication of what kind of back-end storage this has, though.

Of course...  Hmm.  There's a published 'ALL events' iCal feed; it
would be possible to split the current IETF subscription tool into
a backend which itself consumed iCal feeds, and a GUI front end which
only handled the composition of custom calendars.  Hmm...

> That calendar, if run on your tool, could include (I imagine) a =20
> checkmark/subscribe mechanism where I can say "I want to know of all =20
> RIPE and IETF meetings, but I do not care about the others". Then I =20
> get all of those events, including the ones that are added.
>=20
> And groups could also have authentication and approval by some =20
> moderator before one can subscribe to certain calendars.
>=20
> Or wait, is that what Google already has?
>=20
> Hmm...

Not quite, I think.

> Bottom line, I like your calendar for the IETF calendar, and would =20
> like others to use similar mechanisms. But how?
>=20
> Can ISOC help? If ICANN has the need, maybe they can do some =20
> development with the help of $$$?
>=20
> Maybe we should have talked during the IETF ...
>=20
> Anyway, I like what you do! Using many of your tools!

:-)

> Check for example http://stupid.domain.name/idnabis/
>=20
> On http://tools.ietf.org/wg/idnabis/, there is a link under related =20
> documents called "replaced by". What is triggering that?

Replaced-by relationships in the IETF database (which are woefully
incomplete) *and* heuristically generated replaced-by information.

> If I could =20
> control that, I would not need my page. Specifically if one can add =20
> other links as well.

So, if you could manually add missing replaced-by information so it
was visible on the http://tools.ietf.org/wg/idnabis/ page, you'd be
all set?  I think I can arrange for that...


Best,

	Henrik




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On 24 nov 2008, at 12.22, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:

> So, if you could manually add missing replaced-by information so it
> was visible on the http://tools.ietf.org/wg/idnabis/ page, you'd be
> all set?  I think I can arrange for that...

Excellent.

I think I would like to be able to create:

- Relationships that the IETF database does not have
- Links to "related documents that do NOT have wg status", i.e. other  
I-D's
- Links to "other web pages that might be of interest"

With those, I would kill my page asap.

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On 24 nov 2008, at 12.55, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:

> Of course...  Hmm.  There's a published 'ALL events' iCal feed; it
> would be possible to split the current IETF subscription tool into
> a backend which itself consumed iCal feeds, and a GUI front end which
> only handled the composition of custom calendars.  Hmm...

Let me take this up with ISOC and ICANN.

We need these calendar things I think.

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Henrik Levkowetz wrote:

> > Check for example http://stupid.domain.name/idnabis/
> > 
> > On http://tools.ietf.org/wg/idnabis/, there is a link under 
> > related documents called "replaced by". What is triggering that?
> 
> Replaced-by relationships in the IETF database (which are woefully
> incomplete) *and* heuristically generated replaced-by information.
> 
> > If I could control that, I would not need my page. Specifically if
> > one can add other links as well.
> 
> So, if you could manually add missing replaced-by information so it
> was visible on the http://tools.ietf.org/wg/idnabis/ page, you'd be
> all set?  I think I can arrange for that...

If you're going to manually add missing replaced-by information, the
best way to do it is emailing ietf-action@ietf.org; they'll add it to
the IETF database. I regularly do this for my WGs, based on reminders
the Lars sends out:

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/wgchairs/current/msg06375.html

This way, the information is visible in the official datatracker page
(not just tools.ietf.org), and gets used by various other tools (like
IPR disclosure search, Daily Dose of IETF, etc.).

Best regards,
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On 26 nov 2008, at 07.54, <Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com>  
<Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com> wrote:

> If you're going to manually add missing replaced-by information, the
> best way to do it is emailing ietf-action@ietf.org; they'll add it to
> the IETF database. I regularly do this for my WGs, based on reminders
> the Lars sends out:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/wgchairs/current/msg06375.html
>
> This way, the information is visible in the official datatracker page
> (not just tools.ietf.org), and gets used by various other tools (like
> IPR disclosure search, Daily Dose of IETF, etc.).

Ok, thanks!

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On 26 nov 2008, at 07.54, <Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com>  
<Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com> wrote:

> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/wgchairs/current/msg06375.html

But on this page I see:

draft-faltstrom-idnabis-tables REPLACED BY draft-ietf-idnabis-tables

This is though not reflected on the tools page for IDNABIS wg.

http://tools.ietf.org/wg/idnabis/

Foo?

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Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote:

> > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/wgchairs/current/msg06375.html
> =

> But on this page I see:
> =

> draft-faltstrom-idnabis-tables REPLACED BY draft-ietf-idnabis-tables
> =

> This is though not reflected on the tools page for IDNABIS wg.
> =

> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/idnabis/
> =

> Foo?

Ah, the link was missing some context -- it's the output from Lars's
script which tries to find (using file name heuristics) replaced-by
information that's *missing* from the database.

Or in other words: it's a reminder to WG chairs that they should
review their WG's part, and if the information is correct, ask the
secretariat to update the database (the script isn't always right, =

so manual review is needed).

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On 2008-11-26, at 8:57, ext Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote:
> draft-faltstrom-idnabis-tables REPLACED BY draft-ietf-idnabis-tables
> This is though not reflected on the tools page for IDNABIS wg.
> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/idnabis/

Right. The reports my tools generates have errors, so I send them to =20
the wgchairs list for the chairs to check before they report them to =20
the secretariat.

Lars

PS: I'll be sending another report to wgchairs shortly.=

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Hi Pasi, all,

On 2008-11-26 07:54 Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com said the following:
> Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> 
>>> Check for example http://stupid.domain.name/idnabis/
>>>
>>> On http://tools.ietf.org/wg/idnabis/, there is a link under 
>>> related documents called "replaced by". What is triggering that?
>> Replaced-by relationships in the IETF database (which are woefully
>> incomplete) *and* heuristically generated replaced-by information.
>>
>>> If I could control that, I would not need my page. Specifically if
>>> one can add other links as well.
>> So, if you could manually add missing replaced-by information so it
>> was visible on the http://tools.ietf.org/wg/idnabis/ page, you'd be
>> all set?  I think I can arrange for that...
> 
> If you're going to manually add missing replaced-by information, the
> best way to do it is emailing ietf-action@ietf.org; they'll add it to
> the IETF database. I regularly do this for my WGs, based on reminders
> the Lars sends out:

Actually, what I had in mind in order to add this information manually
was to add a page where WG chairs could add the replaced-by information
for drafts related to their working groups to the IETF database directly;
obviating the need to run this through the secretariat.

> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/wgchairs/current/msg06375.html
> 
> This way, the information is visible in the official datatracker page
> (not just tools.ietf.org), and gets used by various other tools (like
> IPR disclosure search, Daily Dose of IETF, etc.).

And that's clearly desirable.


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Henrik Levkowetz wrote:

> Actually, what I had in mind in order to add this information
> manually was to add a page where WG chairs could add the replaced-by
> information for drafts related to their working groups to the IETF
> database directly; obviating the need to run this through the
> secretariat.

This would be even better, but it obviously requires that we have 
the authentication+authorization system deployed and working...

Since I came late to the code sprint on Saturday, I didn't see
this part of the code -- how ready is it?

(Once it's deployed and working, there are some IESG-only pages 
that I could convert to Django, too...)

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On 2008-11-26 08:20 Lars Eggert said the following:
> On 2008-11-26, at 8:57, ext Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote:
>> draft-faltstrom-idnabis-tables REPLACED BY draft-ietf-idnabis-tables
>> This is though not reflected on the tools page for IDNABIS wg.
>> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/idnabis/
> =

> Right. The reports my tools generates have errors, so I send them to  =

> the wgchairs list for the chairs to check before they report them to  =

> the secretariat.
> =

> Lars
> =

> PS: I'll be sending another report to wgchairs shortly.


Hmm.  This is still odd, because even if the replaced-by relationships
aren't in the official database, I synthetize replaced-by relationships
for the WG pages in a manner very similar to what Lars' script does, and
the drafts in relationship =


  draft-faltstrom-idnabis-tables REPLACED BY draft-ietf-idnabis-tables

has names which should make this replacement appear in the tools pages...


Investigating.



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On 2008-11-26 11:46 Henrik Levkowetz said the following:
...
> the drafts in relationship 
> 
>   draft-faltstrom-idnabis-tables REPLACED BY draft-ietf-idnabis-tables
> 
> has names which should make this replacement appear in the tools pages...

The reason this relationship wasn't generated for the tools pages is that
there is an additional test for validity of the relationship which ensures
that the replaced draft is older than the replacement; however in the case
above, the draft-ietf-idnabis-tables-00.txt is missing from the draft
repository, so the file date test fails.

I've now scrounged a copy of the -00 draft from 
  http://stupid.domain.name/ietf/draft-ietf-idnabis-tables-00.txt .

The replaced-by relationship for this particular draft should be synthesized
correctly now, and the status page for idnabis should show the relationship.



	Henrik

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Does anyone know of tools which can format RFCs and I-Ds to be easily
readable on ebook readers? I am specifically looking for something that
worlks for the sony e-reader. This displays text, but the screen is not
as wide as the rfc, and so lines get wrapped and the documents are a
real mess. PDFs are no better. The native formats for the platform are
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Hi John,

Since the IETF LC has now started it might be as well to
hold this change for a couple of weeks 'till we see what
else, if anything, comes up and so as to avoid folks
cribbing about moving targets.

Cheers,
S.

John L wrote:
>> Section 4.1:
>> OLD:
>>   The "Tag=Value List" syntax described in section 3.2 of
>>   [RFC4871] is used.
>> NEW:
>>   The "Tag=Value List" syntax described in section 3.2 of [RFC4871]
>>   is used, with one minor change: WSP is used instead of FWS.
>>
>> Section 4.2.1
>> OLD
>>   ADSP records use the "tag=value" syntax described in section 3.2 of
>>   [RFC4871].
>> NEW:
>>   ADSP records use the "tag=value" syntax described in section 3.2
>>   of [RFC4871], with one minor change: WSP is used instead of FWS.
> 
> Oops, I should have put those in, shouldn't I?
> 
> They're OK with me if they're OK with everyone else.  Unless I hear 
> complaints in the next few days I'll push out -08 with those changes.
> 
> R's,
> John
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On 26 nov 2008, at 12.56, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:

> The reason this relationship wasn't generated for the tools pages is  
> that
> there is an additional test for validity of the relationship which  
> ensures
> that the replaced draft is older than the replacement; however in  
> the case
> above, the draft-ietf-idnabis-tables-00.txt is missing from the draft
> repository, so the file date test fails.
>
> I've now scrounged a copy of the -00 draft from
>  http://stupid.domain.name/ietf/draft-ietf-idnabis-tables-00.txt .
>
> The replaced-by relationship for this particular draft should be  
> synthesized
> correctly now, and the status page for idnabis should show the  
> relationship.

Thanks!

    paf

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Hi Stephen,

On 2008-11-25 18:44 Stephen Farrell said the following:
> The attached is a bounce I just got back when I cc'd
> draft-ietf-dkim-ssp@tools.ietf.org
> 
> It looks like a script is pulling user@sub.domain.example
> from somewhere and thinking that's an author. That string
> does occur, once only (at least in this rev), on page 5 of
> the I-D.
> 
> No idea if that's part of the mail script or is in the
> DB for the I-D due to an I-D submission bug (I've seen
> ipr@ietf.org look like an author from that step before).
> 
> No big deal though, but looks like some filter is being
> a tad too clever.

I think I've traced down the source of this, and a fix should
be forthcoming.

Thanks for reporting it :-)


	Henrik

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Howard Green wrote:
> Does anyone know of tools which can format RFCs and I-Ds to be easily
> readable on ebook readers? I am specifically looking for something that
> worlks for the sony e-reader. This displays text, but the screen is not
> as wide as the rfc, and so lines get wrapped and the documents are a
> real mess. PDFs are no better. The native formats for the platform are
> sony's .lrf, and .epub. There are tools (calibre, for example) which
> convert html, pdf etc to these formats, but nothing works well with the
> specifics of rfcs. In the end, something xml-based seems most sensible.
> Any ideas gratefully received
> Howard Green

Out of curiosity: which kind of HTML did you try? As provided by 
tools.ietf.org/html, as produced by xml2rfc.tcl, produces by 
rfc2629.xslt (example: <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2616.html>)?

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Julian Reschke wrote:
> Howard Green wrote:
>> Does anyone know of tools which can format RFCs and I-Ds to be easily
>> readable on ebook readers? I am specifically looking for something that
>> worlks for the sony e-reader. This displays text, but the screen is not
>> as wide as the rfc, and so lines get wrapped and the documents are a
>> real mess. PDFs are no better.

Have you tried (on a Windows box):

	open in Wordpad
	print to pdf
	use calibre to convert pdf too .lrf/.epub

Joe
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Howard Green wrote:
> Does anyone know of tools which can format RFCs and I-Ds to be easily
> readable on ebook readers? I am specifically looking for something that
> worlks for the sony e-reader. This displays text, but the screen is not
> as wide as the rfc, and so lines get wrapped and the documents are a
> real mess. PDFs are no better. The native formats for the platform are
> sony's .lrf, and .epub. There are tools (calibre, for example) which
> convert html, pdf etc to these formats, but nothing works well with the
> specifics of rfcs. In the end, something xml-based seems most sensible.
> Any ideas gratefully received
> Howard Green

I just did some googling, and it appears that an XHTML document *can* be 
an epub document (didn't have the energy to look at the details). So you 
may want to test the XHTML variant that rfc2629.xslt can produce, for 
instance <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2616.xhtml>.

BR, Julian

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