From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Mon Nov 1 14:19:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1392A3A6A7F for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 14:19:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NIRuL2YpegHo for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 14:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2555A3A6A0E for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 14:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb28 with SMTP id 28so5927370wyb.31 for ; Mon, 01 Nov 2010 14:19:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Rwvn2DxF8CPshwg+/SGCk4iMNpoXXxamfhKKXWPwdFg=; b=Mbq4x46Qz/6aydzaPgb0LC1ilzIMfxBaGiRXooyUNjbKhkzv2N531HD9hyxXRZdT+y xcSgn5XW/l4gTNMYgREQGnwNxbThB7wyf5ANONOHFClB5lKlYSlsiQaE1/kPPnxOe8I/ TesS51nmqu3AoLE+PaW1j9T0ULfhOZYpXn/aA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rsPL0VnPfFua2ozuX+eNwNektEL0MrU87NR1a7BZRBevpSaz670ijOggaBCCnSqTZb LK46q1fc8BsVLRGDWZ3UTljgkts+4q1aZIz8PNe7IztzT8EA7GNk4kwE9sNuf+AJWcUp qPSbIsbnqFVZc2eaPo7oI6R6KVn2v7wNw8SSI= Received: by 10.216.30.10 with SMTP id j10mr215037wea.8.1288646351461; Mon, 01 Nov 2010 14:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.216.38.124] (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w8sm4202613wei.21.2010.11.01.14.19.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Nov 2010 14:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CCF2EC9.4040704@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 10:19:05 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] I-D mail aliases X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 21:19:11 -0000 Hi, It seems that mail to draft-mackcrane-armd-ipv6-nd-scaling@tools.ietf.org reaches two of the authors, but not tmackcrane@huawei.com By the same token, I should get messages sent to draft-ietf-v6ops-incremental-cgn@tools.ietf.org, but that doesn't seem to work either. Is there a wider problem with data extraction here? Brian -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Test for Ben Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 08:42:30 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland To: draft-mackcrane-armd-ipv6-nd-scaling@tools.ietf.org Did this reach tmackcrane@huawei.com? -- Regards Brian Carpenter From tony@att.com Mon Nov 1 19:40:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C353A69CD for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 19:40:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kZYZxi4uz4K6 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 19:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com (mail119.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF063A6872 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 19:40:58 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1288665659!45422474!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.4; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 25981 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2010 02:41:00 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-7.tower-119.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 2 Nov 2010 02:41:00 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA22fHd2023304 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 22:41:17 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA22fAuX023241 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 22:41:10 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA22ep8k003040 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 22:40:52 -0400 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA22ej9h002960 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 22:40:46 -0400 Received: from [135.70.243.82] (vpn-135-70-243-82.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.243.82]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20101102021044gw1004lk4be> (Authid: tony); Tue, 2 Nov 2010 02:10:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.243.82] Message-ID: <4CCF7324.6080104@att.com> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 22:10:44 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion References: <4CCF2EC9.4040704@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4CCF2EC9.4040704@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] I-D mail aliases X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 02:40:59 -0000 Is there any way for someone to find out the addresses to which a message to draft-XYZ@tools.ietf.org alias will be sent? Either a web form or a -request version of the email address in question would be viable mechanisms IMO. Do either of those exist? If this doesn't exist, this could be a small project for Saturday's sprint? Tony On 11/1/2010 5:19 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Hi, > > It seems that mail to draft-mackcrane-armd-ipv6-nd-scaling@tools.ietf.org > reaches two of the authors, but not tmackcrane@huawei.com > > By the same token, I should get messages sent to > draft-ietf-v6ops-incremental-cgn@tools.ietf.org, but that doesn't > seem to work either. > > Is there a wider problem with data extraction here? > > Brian > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Test for Ben > Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 08:42:30 +1300 > From: Brian E Carpenter > Organization: University of Auckland > To: draft-mackcrane-armd-ipv6-nd-scaling@tools.ietf.org > > Did this reach tmackcrane@huawei.com? > > From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Nov 2 06:35:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37263A69AF for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 06:35:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 55wfoZbZ6JPq for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 06:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D6E3A68D1 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 06:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se ([77.72.226.117]:51858) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PDH0m-0003tV-GL; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:34:54 +0100 Message-ID: <4CD0137B.1020306@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:34:51 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Hansen References: <4CCF2EC9.4040704@gmail.com> <4CCF7324.6080104@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4CCF7324.6080104@att.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 77.72.226.117 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tony@att.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] I-D mail aliases X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 13:35:18 -0000 Hi Tony, On 2010-11-02 03:10 Tony Hansen said: > Is there any way for someone to find out the addresses to which a > message to draft-XYZ@tools.ietf.org alias will be sent? > > Either a web form or a -request version of the email address in question > would be viable mechanisms IMO. Do either of those exist? The full alias list is available (but requires login). There's a link at http://tools.ietf.org/ , under 'Email aliases to draft authors and chairs'. > If this doesn't exist, this could be a small project for Saturday's sprint? A better project would be a cron-script to generate the equivalent alias lists from the author information in the database, so that we could deploy these on www.ietf.org instead of on tools.ietf.org. Currently, the author information on tools.ietf.org is better than the one on www.ietf.org, but that will change (for new drafts) when the rewritten submission tool gets deployed, and will change again to match that of tools.ietf.org when we do the database conversion. Brian, I'll have a look at the specific aliases you mention and reply separately. Best, Henrik > Tony > > On 11/1/2010 5:19 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> Hi, >> >> It seems that mail to draft-mackcrane-armd-ipv6-nd-scaling@tools.ietf.org >> reaches two of the authors, but not tmackcrane@huawei.com >> >> By the same token, I should get messages sent to >> draft-ietf-v6ops-incremental-cgn@tools.ietf.org, but that doesn't >> seem to work either. >> >> Is there a wider problem with data extraction here? >> >> Brian >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Test for Ben >> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 08:42:30 +1300 >> From: Brian E Carpenter >> Organization: University of Auckland >> To: draft-mackcrane-armd-ipv6-nd-scaling@tools.ietf.org >> >> Did this reach tmackcrane@huawei.com? >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From rjsparks@nostrum.com Tue Nov 2 13:21:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD913A69C8 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:21:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BJHPXU9ftHVS for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E46C3A68E6 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.105] (pool-173-71-48-4.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.71.48.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oA2KLcF1001274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:21:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <4CD0137B.1020306@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:21:38 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8E86329E-C2CD-42DE-B687-DBE94BF152EE@nostrum.com> References: <4CCF2EC9.4040704@gmail.com> <4CCF7324.6080104@att.com> <4CD0137B.1020306@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 173.71.48.4 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: Tony Hansen , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] I-D mail aliases X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:21:38 -0000 Related - see , = which has been on my personal wishlist for some time. Hopefully, I'll get to work on it = at this sprint. RjS On Nov 2, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Tony, >=20 > On 2010-11-02 03:10 Tony Hansen said: >> Is there any way for someone to find out the addresses to which a=20 >> message to draft-XYZ@tools.ietf.org alias will be sent? >>=20 >> Either a web form or a -request version of the email address in = question=20 >> would be viable mechanisms IMO. Do either of those exist? >=20 > The full alias list is available (but requires login). There's a link > at http://tools.ietf.org/ , under 'Email aliases to draft authors and = chairs'. >=20 >> If this doesn't exist, this could be a small project for Saturday's = sprint? >=20 > A better project would be a cron-script to generate the equivalent = alias lists > from the author information in the database, so that we could deploy = these on > www.ietf.org instead of on tools.ietf.org. Currently, the author = information > on tools.ietf.org is better than the one on www.ietf.org, but that = will change > (for new drafts) when the rewritten submission tool gets deployed, and = will > change again to match that of tools.ietf.org when we do the database = conversion. >=20 > Brian, I'll have a look at the specific aliases you mention and reply = separately. >=20 >=20 > Best, >=20 > Henrik >=20 >> Tony >>=20 >> On 11/1/2010 5:19 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> It seems that mail to = draft-mackcrane-armd-ipv6-nd-scaling@tools.ietf.org >>> reaches two of the authors, but not tmackcrane@huawei.com >>>=20 >>> By the same token, I should get messages sent to >>> draft-ietf-v6ops-incremental-cgn@tools.ietf.org, but that doesn't >>> seem to work either. >>>=20 >>> Is there a wider problem with data extraction here? >>>=20 >>> Brian >>>=20 >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Test for Ben >>> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 08:42:30 +1300 >>> From: Brian E Carpenter >>> Organization: University of Auckland >>> To: draft-mackcrane-armd-ipv6-nd-scaling@tools.ietf.org >>>=20 >>> Did this reach tmackcrane@huawei.com? >>>=20 >>>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From dwing@cisco.com Tue Nov 2 17:10:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CCF3A6A50 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:10:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 60o94wx4JcyV for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321E03A6A08 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-5.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhAFAHNF0EyrR7Ht/2dsb2JhbACUfYxgcaF5nAyDDAEEBYIvBIRX X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.58,286,1286150400"; d="scan'208";a="279916324" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2010 00:10:56 +0000 Received: from dwingWS ([10.32.240.198]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oA30AuF2017633; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 00:10:56 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: "'Henrik Levkowetz'" , "'Tony Hansen'" References: <4CCF2EC9.4040704@gmail.com> <4CCF7324.6080104@att.com> <4CD0137B.1020306@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4CD0137B.1020306@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:10:56 -0700 Message-ID: <03e501cb7aeb$9642bb10$c2c83130$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Act6ku2V/n5DO/8tQKylQvrLVxMCdgAWHMVA Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'Tools Team Discussion' Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] I-D mail aliases X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 00:10:54 -0000 > The full alias list is available (but requires login). There's a link > at http://tools.ietf.org/ , under 'Email aliases to draft authors and > chairs'. After challenging me for my IETF userid/password, my attempt to access http://tools.ietf.org/draft/aliases fails with an authorization error: "Access forbidden You don't have permission to access the requested object. It is either read-protected or not readable by the server." -d From tony@att.com Tue Nov 2 21:09:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4C53A6867 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 21:09:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.953 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.953 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.646, BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qjOUhgRuaGSg for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 21:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E633D3A6868 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 21:09:10 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1288757355!52560199!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.4; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 4138 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2010 04:09:16 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-11.tower-120.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 3 Nov 2010 04:09:16 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA349Xvx021919 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 00:09:33 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA349VGF021869 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 00:09:31 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA349DiB019138 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 00:09:13 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA3496fm018994 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 00:09:07 -0400 Received: from [135.70.191.179] (vpn-135-70-191-179.vpn.mwst.att.com[135.70.191.179]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20101103040906gw1004lk93e> (Authid: tony); Wed, 3 Nov 2010 04:09:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.191.179] Message-ID: <4CD0E061.1080908@att.com> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 00:09:05 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'Tools Team Discussion'" References: <4CCF2EC9.4040704@gmail.com> <4CCF7324.6080104@att.com> <4CD0137B.1020306@levkowetz.com> <03e501cb7aeb$9642bb10$c2c83130$@com> In-Reply-To: <03e501cb7aeb$9642bb10$c2c83130$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] I-D mail aliases X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 04:09:12 -0000 ditto for me On 11/2/2010 8:10 PM, Dan Wing wrote: >> The full alias list is available (but requires login). There's a link >> at http://tools.ietf.org/ , under 'Email aliases to draft authors and >> chairs'. >> > After challenging me for my IETF userid/password, my attempt to > access http://tools.ietf.org/draft/aliases fails with an authorization > error: > > "Access forbidden > > You don't have permission to access the requested object. It is > either read-protected or not readable by the server." > > -d > From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Nov 3 08:23:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9636E3A6AC0 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 08:23:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.114, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0PmFnIsVf+1s for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 08:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCBC3A69B8 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 08:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:55806 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PDfB5-0006mw-Uz; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 16:23:08 +0100 Message-ID: <4CD17E5B.4080503@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 16:23:07 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Wing References: <4CCF2EC9.4040704@gmail.com> <4CCF7324.6080104@att.com> <4CD0137B.1020306@levkowetz.com> <03e501cb7aeb$9642bb10$c2c83130$@com> In-Reply-To: <03e501cb7aeb$9642bb10$c2c83130$@com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dwing@cisco.com, tony@att.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: 'Tony Hansen' , 'Tools Team Discussion' Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] I-D mail aliases X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 15:23:23 -0000 Hi Dan, On 2010-11-03 01:10 Dan Wing said: >> The full alias list is available (but requires login). There's a link >> at http://tools.ietf.org/ , under 'Email aliases to draft authors and >> chairs'. > > After challenging me for my IETF userid/password, my attempt to > access http://tools.ietf.org/draft/aliases fails with an authorization > error: > > "Access forbidden > > You don't have permission to access the requested object. It is > either read-protected or not readable by the server." Right. Bad permissions on one of the servers, possibly caused by me when poking at this. Sorry. Fixed now. Henrik From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Wed Nov 3 13:10:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037D43A6909 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:10:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wvSLgROo6Kaj for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f44.google.com (mail-fx0-f44.google.com [209.85.161.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C163A68F8 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so927137fxm.31 for ; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 13:10:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uIf6KV3Q8TRG5viqgHBK+8sHqgsjKvuwREqBN2IALBE=; b=QIOj2uCp+7Ow5WJsobHlKKM4WECBIukRe25/ySnWwCkDUc7gIiWJogHC0Xv9EdiDrK J5Ua9J9mdf5DcTitoGRijd0v3r9nKyse0tAwqDY633S1fCc+xHlmo8dXG7n1ehrpfa8J oAzXIlz+8gNH9yXmEntkeFsKMHnWxmKp68eCU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=cqFO4J+XG6RAzm/4snSrbch7xu7Iw2kbBsCE3z8uSFSvLBwNY5z9bLTGskLeOvDKv6 LyWVcfdmOfCRwLevgyE4K+GkEo1+W3Kwweiutp3v19bD3JOXh4Th7OeucsdLfPmHg9mI b/gxolo0qZ4eq4NY2ZvqHcFIaK3VPh4BqHk5E= Received: by 10.223.118.211 with SMTP id w19mr12262217faq.14.1288815048324; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 13:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.216.38.124] (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm2177270fal.46.2010.11.03.13.10.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Nov 2010 13:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CD1C1C0.7010106@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:10:40 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <4CCF2EC9.4040704@gmail.com> <4CCF7324.6080104@att.com> <4CD0137B.1020306@levkowetz.com> <03e501cb7aeb$9642bb10$c2c83130$@com> <4CD17E5B.4080503@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4CD17E5B.4080503@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: 'Tony Hansen' , 'Tools Team Discussion' , Dan Wing Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] I-D mail aliases X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:10:45 -0000 I had no trouble, but then I was using a superior protocol (IPv6) :-) Regards Brian Carpenter On 2010-11-04 04:23, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Dan, > > On 2010-11-03 01:10 Dan Wing said: >>> The full alias list is available (but requires login). There's a link >>> at http://tools.ietf.org/ , under 'Email aliases to draft authors and >>> chairs'. >> After challenging me for my IETF userid/password, my attempt to >> access http://tools.ietf.org/draft/aliases fails with an authorization >> error: >> >> "Access forbidden >> >> You don't have permission to access the requested object. It is >> either read-protected or not readable by the server." > > Right. Bad permissions on one of the servers, possibly caused by me when > poking at this. Sorry. Fixed now. > > > Henrik > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From dwing@cisco.com Wed Nov 3 13:28:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F27528C0F2 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:28:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DydaoXDoKNN2 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9868228C0EA for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-5.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EADZi0UyrR7Hu/2dsb2JhbACVB4xhcaRum0qDDAEEBYIwBIRX X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.58,290,1286150400"; d="scan'208";a="280516007" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2010 20:28:42 +0000 Received: from dwingWS ([10.32.240.198]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oA3KSgXL001241; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:28:42 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: "'Henrik Levkowetz'" References: <4CCF2EC9.4040704@gmail.com> <4CCF7324.6080104@att.com> <4CD0137B.1020306@levkowetz.com> <03e501cb7aeb$9642bb10$c2c83130$@com> <4CD17E5B.4080503@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4CD17E5B.4080503@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:28:41 -0700 Message-ID: <067301cb7b95$b49ea330$1ddbe990$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Act7azDDBEfZvE6rQO6rv9izJoA9nAAKoG3g Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'Tony Hansen' , 'Tools Team Discussion' Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] I-D mail aliases X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:28:35 -0000 Ok, thanks. -d > -----Original Message----- > From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik@levkowetz.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 8:23 AM > To: Dan Wing > Cc: 'Tony Hansen'; 'Tools Team Discussion' > Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] I-D mail aliases > > Hi Dan, > > On 2010-11-03 01:10 Dan Wing said: > >> The full alias list is available (but requires login). There's a > link > >> at http://tools.ietf.org/ , under 'Email aliases to draft authors > and > >> chairs'. > > > > After challenging me for my IETF userid/password, my attempt to > > access http://tools.ietf.org/draft/aliases fails with an > authorization > > error: > > > > "Access forbidden > > > > You don't have permission to access the requested object. It is > > either read-protected or not readable by the server." > > Right. Bad permissions on one of the servers, possibly caused by me > when > poking at this. Sorry. Fixed now. > > > Henrik From patrik@frobbit.se Fri Nov 5 00:26:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8141E3A68D0; Fri, 5 Nov 2010 00:26:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hMt2dtahe9k9; Fri, 5 Nov 2010 00:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv01.frobbit.se (srv01.frobbit.se [IPv6:2a02:80:3ffe::39]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769483A68C2; Fri, 5 Nov 2010 00:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE14E7FFC3A; Fri, 5 Nov 2010 08:26:22 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at frobbit.se Received: from srv01.frobbit.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv01.frobbit.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KNnFl+wyDaJ3; Fri, 5 Nov 2010 08:26:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from [IPv6:2a02:80:3ffc::dead:beef] (unknown [IPv6:2a02:80:3ffc::dead:beef]) (Authenticated sender: paf01) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6002E7FFC37; Fri, 5 Nov 2010 08:26:21 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 08:26:16 +0100 Message-Id: To: statements@ietf.org, Tools Team Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Subject: [Tools-discuss] URL:s to new features in liaison management X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 07:26:13 -0000 Hi, If one follow the liaison link on the IETF webpage one end up here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/ It would be good if there are links to the new features (searching, add = liaison etc) in the liaison manager on that page. For example, I now = want to add some liaisons and I do not know/remember the URL's... Patrik From adam@nostrum.com Mon Nov 8 17:08:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A043A6877 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:08:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.225 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.225 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.226, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NLxm0s03D73G for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29553A67E3 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:08:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-634e.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-634e.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.99.78]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oA918r3I045978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:08:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <4CD89F24.4020904@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 09:08:52 +0800 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080201010805020108030304" Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 130.129.99.78 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Error with diff tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 01:08:36 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080201010805020108030304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I try to go to , I get the following error: /An error occurred at this point in the web-page generation. An error report has been sent to the webmaster. If this error isn't fixed within 48 hours, please contact the web page author directly. / " % (timestr(filetime(cachename)), timestr(dirtime("."))) 448 # if not cachefile: include = filename = '/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht' /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in include(filename='/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht') 219 220 if string.find(code, "\n") > -1: 221 exec code in execglobals, execlocals 222 else: 223 res = eval(code, execglobals, execlocals) code = ' # -*- html -*-\nimport re, os, time, string, sta...e2))\n #os.unlink(uploadname)\n sys.exit(0)\n\n' global execglobals = {'__builtins__': , 'args': {'url2': 'draft-ietf-sipcore-sec-flows-04.txt'}, 'basename': , 'cookie': , 'dirname': , 'env': {'REDIRECT_QUERY_STRING': 'url2=draft-ietf-sipco...CODING': 'gzip,deflate', 'PATH_INFO': '/rfcdiff'}, 'escape': >, 'filetext': , 'filetime': , 'form': FieldStorage(None, None, [MiniFieldStorage('url2', 'draft-ietf-sipcore-sec-flows-04.txt')]), ...} execlocals = {'Tool': 'Rfcdiff', '__name__': 'embedded-code-at-line-1', 'datenow': '09 Nov 2010 01:08 GMT', 'debuginfo': '', 'filebase': 'rfcdiff', 'filedate': , 'fileext': '.pyht', 'filename': '/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht', 'filename1': None, 'filename2': None, ...} /home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/ in () : [Errno 28] No space left on device __class__ = __delattr__ = __dict__ = {} __doc__ = 'I/O operation failed.' __format__ = __getattribute__ = __getitem__ = __getslice__ = __hash__ = __init__ = __new__ = __reduce__ = __reduce_ex__ = __repr__ = __setattr__ = __setstate__ = __sizeof__ = __str__ = __subclasshook__ = __unicode__ = args = (28, 'No space left on device') errno = 28 filename = None message = '' strerror = 'No space left on device' The above is a description of an error in a Python program. Here is the original traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 446, in include(filename) File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 221, in include exec code in execglobals, execlocals File "", line 126, in IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device --> /a --------------080201010805020108030304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I try to go to <http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sipcore-sec-flows-04.txt>, I get the following error:

An error occurred at this point in the web-page generation.
An error report has been sent to the webmaster. If this error isn't fixed within 48 hours, please contact the web page author directly.

" % (timestr(filetime(cachename)), timestr(dirtime("."))) 448 # if not cachefile: include = filename = '/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht' /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in include(filename='/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht') 219 220 if string.find(code, "\n") > -1: 221 exec code in execglobals, execlocals 222 else: 223 res = eval(code, execglobals, execlocals) code = ' # -*- html -*-\nimport re, os, time, string, sta...e2))\n #os.unlink(uploadname)\n sys.exit(0)\n\n' global execglobals = {'__builtins__': , 'args': {'url2': 'draft-ietf-sipcore-sec-flows-04.txt'}, 'basename': , 'cookie': , 'dirname': , 'env': {'REDIRECT_QUERY_STRING': 'url2=draft-ietf-sipco...CODING': 'gzip,deflate', 'PATH_INFO': '/rfcdiff'}, 'escape': >, 'filetext': , 'filetime': , 'form': FieldStorage(None, None, [MiniFieldStorage('url2', 'draft-ietf-sipcore-sec-flows-04.txt')]), ...} execlocals = {'Tool': 'Rfcdiff', '__name__': 'embedded-code-at-line-1', 'datenow': '09 Nov 2010 01:08 GMT', 'debuginfo': '', 'filebase': 'rfcdiff', 'filedate': , 'fileext': '.pyht', 'filename': '/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht', 'filename1': None, 'filename2': None, ...} /home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/ in () : [Errno 28] No space left on device __class__ = __delattr__ = __dict__ = {} __doc__ = 'I/O operation failed.' __format__ = __getattribute__ = __getitem__ = __getslice__ = __hash__ = __init__ = __new__ = __reduce__ = __reduce_ex__ = __repr__ = __setattr__ = __setstate__ = __sizeof__ = __str__ = __subclasshook__ = __unicode__ = args = (28, 'No space left on device') errno = 28 filename = None message = '' strerror = 'No space left on device' The above is a description of an error in a Python program. Here is the original traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 446, in include(filename) File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 221, in include exec code in execglobals, execlocals File "", line 126, in IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device -->

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--------------080201010805020108030304-- From tony@att.com Mon Nov 8 17:47:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D60B3A6A02 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:47:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.114 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.114 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.116, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W02Ekl+OYyOV for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:47:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com (mail119.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8E73A6898 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:47:12 -0800 (PST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1289267251!43013533!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 29133 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2010 01:47:32 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-8.tower-119.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 9 Nov 2010 01:47:32 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA91lna8027656 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:47:49 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA91liD6027590 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:47:45 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA91lQbZ021754 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:47:26 -0500 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA91lKxU021644 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:47:21 -0500 Received: from [135.70.148.82] (vpn-135-70-148-82.vpn.mwst.att.com[135.70.148.82]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20101109014719gw1004lkp1e> (Authid: tony); Tue, 9 Nov 2010 01:47:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.148.82] Message-ID: <4CD8A825.9020406@att.com> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:47:17 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <4CD89F24.4020904@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <4CD89F24.4020904@nostrum.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030906000107010803090604" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Error with diff tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 01:47:48 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030906000107010803090604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The pertinent words are "No space left on device". Henrik? Tony On 11/8/2010 8:08 PM, Adam Roach wrote: > When I try to go to > , > I get the following error: > > > /An error occurred at this point in the web-page generation. > An error report has been sent to the webmaster. If this error > isn't fixed within 48 hours, please contact the web page > author directly. / > > " % (timestr(filetime(cachename)), timestr(dirtime("."))) 448 # if not > cachefile: include = filename = > '/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht' /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py > in include(filename='/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht') > 219 220 if string.find(code, "\n") > -1: 221 exec code in execglobals, > execlocals 222 else: 223 res = eval(code, execglobals, execlocals) > code = ' # -*- html -*-\nimport re, os, time, string, sta...e2))\n > #os.unlink(uploadname)\n sys.exit(0)\n\n' global execglobals = > {'__builtins__': , 'args': {'url2': > 'draft-ietf-sipcore-sec-flows-04.txt'}, 'basename': , 'cookie': , > 'dirname': , 'env': {'REDIRECT_QUERY_STRING': > 'url2=draft-ietf-sipco...CODING': 'gzip,deflate', 'PATH_INFO': > '/rfcdiff'}, 'escape': >, 'filetext': , 'filetime': , 'form': > FieldStorage(None, None, [MiniFieldStorage('url2', > 'draft-ietf-sipcore-sec-flows-04.txt')]), ...} execlocals = {'Tool': > 'Rfcdiff', '__name__': 'embedded-code-at-line-1', 'datenow': '09 Nov > 2010 01:08 GMT', 'debuginfo': '', 'filebase': 'rfcdiff', 'filedate': , > 'fileext': '.pyht', 'filename': > '/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht', 'filename1': None, > 'filename2': None, ...} /home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/ in () > : [Errno 28] No space left on device __class__ = __delattr__ = > __dict__ = {} __doc__ = 'I/O operation failed.' __format__ = > __getattribute__ = __getitem__ = __getslice__ = __hash__ = __init__ = > __new__ = __reduce__ = __reduce_ex__ = __repr__ = __setattr__ = > __setstate__ = __sizeof__ = __str__ = __subclasshook__ = __unicode__ = > args = (28, 'No space left on device') errno = 28 filename = None > message = '' strerror = 'No space left on device' The above is a > description of an error in a Python program. Here is the original > traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File > "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 446, in include(filename) File > "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 221, in include exec code in execglobals, > execlocals File "", line 126, in IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on > device --> > > /a > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --------------030906000107010803090604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The pertinent words are "No space left on device".

Henrik?

    Tony

On 11/8/2010 8:08 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
When I try to go to <http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sipcore-sec-flows-04.txt>, I get the following error:

An error occurred at this point in the web-page generation.
An error report has been sent to the webmaster. If this error isn't fixed within 48 hours, please contact the web page author directly.

" % (timestr(filetime(cachename)), timestr(dirtime("."))) 448 # if not cachefile: include = filename = '/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht' /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in include(filename='/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht') 219 220 if string.find(code, "\n") > -1: 221 exec code in execglobals, execlocals 222 else: 223 res = eval(code, execglobals, execlocals) code = ' # -*- html -*-\nimport re, os, time, string, sta...e2))\n #os.unlink(uploadname)\n sys.exit(0)\n\n' global execglobals = {'__builtins__': , 'args': {'url2': 'draft-ietf-sipcore-sec-flows-04.txt'}, 'basename': , 'cookie': , 'dirname': , 'env': {'REDIRECT_QUERY_STRING': 'url2=draft-ietf-sipco...CODING': 'gzip,deflate', 'PATH_INFO': '/rfcdiff'}, 'escape': >, 'filetext': , 'filetime': , 'form': FieldStorage(None, None, [MiniFieldStorage('url2', 'draft-ietf-sipcore-sec-flows-04.txt')]), ...} execlocals = {'Tool': 'Rfcdiff', '__name__': 'embedded-code-at-line-1', 'datenow': '09 Nov 2010 01:08 GMT', 'debuginfo': '', 'filebase': 'rfcdiff', 'filedate': , 'fileext': '.pyht', 'filename': '/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht', 'filename1': None, 'filename2': None, ...} /home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/ in () : [Errno 28] No space left on device __class__ = __delattr__ = __dict__ = {} __doc__ = 'I/O operation failed.' __format__ = __getattribute__ = __getitem__ = __getslice__ = __hash__ = __init__ = __new__ = __reduce__ = __reduce_ex__ = __repr__ = __setattr__ = __setstate__ = __sizeof__ = __str__ = __subclasshook__ = __unicode__ = args = (28, 'No space left on device') errno = 28 filename = None message = '' strerror = 'No space left on device' The above is a description of an error in a Python program. Here is the original traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 446, in include(filename) File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 221, in include exec code in execglobals, execlocals File "", line 126, in IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device -->

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boundary=00163645935ca368e00494951aaa Subject: [Tools-discuss] IETF 79 Agenda page broken X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 02:00:04 -0000 --00163645935ca368e00494951aaa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Returning Error 403: --00163645935ca368e00494951aaa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Returning Error 403: --00163645935ca368e00494951aaa-- From tony@att.com Mon Nov 8 18:10:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688EB3A6A13 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:10:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.199, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7KgWcT-rbHFn for ; 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Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:10:53 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA92AY1E018272 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:10:34 -0500 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA92AWlQ018258 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:10:32 -0500 Received: from [135.70.148.82] (vpn-135-70-148-82.vpn.mwst.att.com[135.70.148.82]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20101109021031gw1004lkp4e> (Authid: tony); Tue, 9 Nov 2010 02:10:31 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.148.82] Message-ID: <4CD8AD95.7000307@att.com> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:10:29 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IETF 79 Agenda page broken X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 02:10:28 -0000 /home/www/tools.ietf.org/agenda/79/index.shtml got squashed during an auto update while the disk was out of space. Henrik will have to fix. Tony On 11/8/2010 9:00 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: > Returning Error 403: > From glen@amsl.com Mon Nov 8 18:10:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6083A6911; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:10:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RFBsmI+l2j5s; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [64.170.98.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C23A3A6A09; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81229E08C2; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:11:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c1a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c1a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YCRRT88IOBKz; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:11:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (173-8-133-91-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.133.91]) by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 39BFEE0834; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:11:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4CD8ADBB.8060909@amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:11:07 -0800 From: Glen Barney Organization: AMS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:15:55 -0800 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Draft Announcement Service Restored X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 02:10:54 -0000 All - I have been unable to contact the Tools Team (they are probably all in sessions right now!), so I put in a very unorthodox live patch to the live datatracker, and that appears to have fixed the problem with broken announcements. To ensure that everyone receives everything, I am going to requeue all the draft announcements that went out today. I will continue to monitor this, and will send a report to the tools team to let them know what I did. Thank you all for your patience with this matter. Glen Glen Barney IT Director AMS (IETF Secretariat) From adam@nostrum.com Mon Nov 8 22:15:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4289B3A67F7 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:13:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.493 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.493 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.107, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KDJoOsK05P4N for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3257E3A67D4 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:11:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-634e.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-634e.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.99.78]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oA96BkF5069432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:11:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <4CD8E622.5020302@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 14:11:46 +0800 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 130.129.99.78 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Nits tool enhancement suggestion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 06:15:27 -0000 Does the nits tool have a trac page? One of the authors in my WG pointed something out to me: "The nit tool has a minor bug: if A obsoletes B obsoletes C, and you reference C, it doesn't warn you to update to A. Instead it warns you to update to B." I'll happily file a bug, if someone can point me to the correct trac project. /a From aakhter@cisco.com Tue Nov 9 00:39:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407973A690F for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:39:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h55Jz5LK7HhN for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B283A6774 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:39:27 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: rtp-iport-2.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosGAK6X2EytJV2a/2dsb2JhbACUHo4AcaFBm2mFSgSEWIkP X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,174,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="180096500" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2010 08:39:51 +0000 Received: from xbh-rcd-201.cisco.com (xbh-rcd-201.cisco.com [72.163.62.200]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oA98dpNc008573 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:39:51 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-101.cisco.com ([72.163.62.143]) by xbh-rcd-201.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 9 Nov 2010 02:39:50 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 02:38:21 -0600 Message-ID: <7F298ACC76CC154F832B6D02852D169F032A8581@XMB-RCD-101.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: xml2rfc format: breaking up hangText Thread-Index: Act/6BCHTlz2gWHaTcu+Zy3NrT+ndQ== From: "Aamer Akhter (aakhter)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2010 08:39:50.0973 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC94C6D0:01CB7FE9] Subject: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc format: breaking up hangText X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:39:29 -0000 Folks, It's my first time using the xml format-- and I'm finding it surprisingly nice. It keeps the focus on the middle matter and less on process type things. I'm running into a formatting issue with a draft: http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-akhter-ipfix-perfmon-01.txt If you look at section 4.1.1, (calculation method) it is a big block of text that while indented, should be broken down into paragraphs. The reason why, is I don't know how to break in the XML format. Here is what I have right now. This metric requires that each IP packet be individually marked with a monotonically ..... So, how do I break up a hanging text into multiple paragraphs while maintaining the hanging indent? Regards, aa From adam@nostrum.com Tue Nov 9 18:45:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEEF3A6452 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:45:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.546 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.546 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.054, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QzAGYmDVYEdd for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:45:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C533D3A676A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:45:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-235b.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-235b.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.35.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oAA2jifY071638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:45:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <4CDA0757.6070105@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:45:43 +0800 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 130.129.35.91 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Meeting timezone in database X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 02:45:23 -0000 As you've probably noticed, my recent codesprint exploits have been focused predominantly on the datatracker agenda page. These have been largely inspired by a local (and fairly ugly) perl script that I run on my laptop locally. My goal is to completely replace it with datatracker tools (and to provide everyone else the same functionality that I've been using for a while now). One of the big bits of functionality that I've been missing is the generation of an ics file with the individual WG agendas embedded. And the thing that's holding that back, for the most part, is being able to grab the timezone of a specific meeting out of the database. Am I missing the presence of this data? If it's not in there, is there a current plan to add this information somewhere that the datatracker tools can get to them? Thanks! /a From rjsparks@nostrum.com Wed Nov 10 23:29:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733FE3A6808 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:29:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cSpMOLKp+vLO for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:29:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9836B3A6868 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:29:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-6772.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-6772.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.103.114]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oAB7UNIO012466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:30:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) From: Robert Sparks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:30:22 +0800 Message-Id: To: Tools Team Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 130.129.103.114 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: [Tools-discuss] URI for "current" meeting agenda X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:29:59 -0000 If you haven't looked at the new agenda display at , take a few minutes to play with it. Try, for example: Would anyone (besides me) find it useful to add a URL that looked = something like: and have the tracker map that to a reasonable meeting number for = whatever today happens to be? Further, would anyone find it useful to have something that payed = attention to wallclock time - a URL that looked like perhaps, that showed whatever WG sessions/agendas were in session at the time the URL was accessed? RjS= From sob@harvard.edu Thu Nov 11 00:04:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A1F3A67E3 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:04:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.985 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.985 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.614, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GvPBSK-9hC4f for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (newdev.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70FA03A68A7 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id 42DF0605000; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 03:04:28 -0500 (EST) To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-Id: <20101111080428.42DF0605000@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 03:04:28 -0500 (EST) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) Subject: [Tools-discuss] non-meeting-specific URLs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:04:00 -0000 can we get a set of long lived URLs for meeting-related things like the main meeting page (e.g. http://www.ietf.org/meeting/79/index.html) agenda (e.g. https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/79/agenda.html) tools agenda (http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/79/) important dates, etc, etc (all of them) that we can bookmark and that will always point to the right page for the current (or next, depending) meeting-specific page? and use those URLs on a current meeting page and a next meeting page off the IETF home page the links can point to a page that says "info for IETF XX coming in due time" for the next meeting page until it is time Scott From adam@nostrum.com Thu Nov 11 00:51:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58D628C134 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:51:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uThcsmk0kYpl for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5741C28C0DE for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-6375.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-6375.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.99.117]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oAB8pwdG018701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 11 Nov 2010 02:52:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <4CDBAEAD.3020104@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:51:57 +0800 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Sparks References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 130.129.99.117 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] URI for "current" meeting agenda X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:51:33 -0000 On 11/11/10 3:30 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > If you haven't looked at the new agenda display at > , take > a few minutes to play with it. > > Try, for example: > > > Would anyone (besides me) find it useful to add a URL that looked something like: > > and have the tracker map that to a reasonable meeting number for whatever today > happens to be? Check out https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda.html#RAI /a From rjsparks@nostrum.com Thu Nov 11 00:57:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E795528C150 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:57:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qgEMWivnWkCo for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:57:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7BC628C134 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:57:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-6772.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-6772.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.103.114]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oAB8vQst019134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 11 Nov 2010 02:57:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <4CDBAEAD.3020104@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:57:25 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4CDBAEAD.3020104@nostrum.com> To: Adam Roach X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 130.129.103.114 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] URI for "current" meeting agenda X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:57:02 -0000 Way cool! Is the second half also solved already? RjS On Nov 11, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Adam Roach wrote: > On 11/11/10 3:30 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >> If you haven't looked at the new agenda display at >> , take >> a few minutes to play with it. >>=20 >> Try, for example: >> >>=20 >> Would anyone (besides me) find it useful to add a URL that looked = something like: >> >> and have the tracker map that to a reasonable meeting number for = whatever today >> happens to be? >=20 > Check out https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda.html#RAI >=20 > /a From adam@nostrum.com Thu Nov 11 01:01:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A993A699D for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:01:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3F-qbrJnaBCz for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:01:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0D23A69DA for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-6375.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-6375.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.99.117]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oAB91hdw019647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 11 Nov 2010 03:01:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <4CDBB0F6.8010503@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:01:42 +0800 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Sparks References: <4CDBAEAD.3020104@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 130.129.99.117 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] URI for "current" meeting agenda X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:01:20 -0000 On 11/11/10 4:57 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > Way cool! > > Is the second half also solved already? You mean: > [W]ould anyone find it useful to have something that payed attention to > wallclock time - a URL that looked like > > perhaps, that showed whatever WG sessions/agendas were in session > at the time the URL was accessed? No, we can't do that yet. You need to know the meeting timezone to do that. And, while the data model has a timezone field, it doesn't appear to have ever been populated. If you access it right now, it returns "None." /a From falk@bbn.com Thu Nov 11 16:34:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9A03A67EC for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:34:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.992 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.992 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.192, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ge3KPZGic9W6 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:34:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.bbn.com (smtp.bbn.com [128.33.0.80]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB443A67D1 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.89.254.135] (port=51101 helo=nut-2.local) by smtp.bbn.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1PGhbS-000MxT-RT for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:34:55 -0500 Message-ID: <4CDC8BAD.3030509@bbn.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:34:53 +0800 From: Aaron Falk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] IETF & IRTF web design X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:34:25 -0000 Hello all- Who did the very nice IETF web design? And, if you are on this list, could I persuade you to apply similar magic to irtf.org? --aaron From patrik@frobbit.se Tue Nov 16 09:10:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821083A6CA2; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:10:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_31=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3+Vi50e2ZgeK; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:10:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv01.frobbit.se (srv01.frobbit.se [IPv6:2a02:80:3ffe::39]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F28C3A6C36; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A67E9CFCDF; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:11:36 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at frobbit.se Received: from srv01.frobbit.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv01.frobbit.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h3ZrIoxrFPXt; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:11:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:64:42:226:bbff:fe15:8d13] (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:64:42:226:bbff:fe15:8d13]) (Authenticated sender: paf01) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68ECDE9CFCD9; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:11:35 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:11:29 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <469E4C93-0EEE-43B3-BEEE-A1F5B0F73EEE@frobbit.se> References: To: statements@ietf.org, Tools Team Discussion , Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] URL:s to new features in liaison management X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:10:55 -0000 I have not got any response on this mail of mine yet, so I am resending = again. When I test the beta version of the liaison tool = (http://beta.lsmt.yaco.es/liaison/), I see the links for adding incoming = and outgoing liaisons, but that is not on the live site. Can someone have a look at this, and see whether this is a tool problem, = or access rights problem (that have to do with access rights my user = has)? There are a few liaisons that are queued that I need to take care of. So also work around ideas if this is hard to do is appreciated. I also want to know the status of update of the database is going = (access rights for users, how users are added etc)... Patrik On 5 nov 2010, at 08.26, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote: > Hi, >=20 > If one follow the liaison link on the IETF webpage one end up here: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/ >=20 > It would be good if there are links to the new features (searching, = add liaison etc) in the liaison manager on that page. For example, I now = want to add some liaisons and I do not know/remember the URL's... >=20 > Patrik >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Nov 16 09:37:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8083A6CDE; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:37:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.849 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.849 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.750, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_31=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JYqqWplO+Tcz; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68013A6CAF; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:37:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from 90-230-136-60-no45.tbcn.telia.com ([90.230.136.60]:54442 helo=[192.168.1.65]) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PIPTM-00076N-R4; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:37:39 +0100 Message-ID: <4CE2C15A.7050201@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:37:30 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= References: <469E4C93-0EEE-43B3-BEEE-A1F5B0F73EEE@frobbit.se> In-Reply-To: <469E4C93-0EEE-43B3-BEEE-A1F5B0F73EEE@frobbit.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 90.230.136.60 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: patrik@frobbit.se, statements@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, amorris@amsl.com, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: statements@ietf.org, Tools Team Discussion , Alexa Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] URL:s to new features in liaison management X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:37:16 -0000 Hi Patrik, On 2010-11-16 18:11 Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m said the following: > I have not got any response on this mail of mine yet, so I am > resending again. >=20 > When I test the beta version of the liaison tool > (http://beta.lsmt.yaco.es/liaison/), I see the links for adding > incoming and outgoing liaisons, but that is not on the live site. >=20 > Can someone have a look at this, and see whether this is a tool > problem, or access rights problem (that have to do with access rights > my user has)? It is very likely that this is an access rights problem, as the new site has not had groups and access rights set up (and hasn't been announced publicly yet). The link on the liaison list page (https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/) have been set to point to the old liaison tool until the setup of the new one is complete and it is ready to be announced. I went over the admin actions needed and answered some questions from the secretariat in Beijing, but they didn't have time to complete the setup. I assume that will be done as soon as they are back in Fremont and up and running again. > There are a few liaisons that are queued that I need to take care > of. >=20 > So also work around ideas if this is hard to do is appreciated. The old liaison manager should still work, but I assume you would prefer to use the new one.... > I also want to know the status of update of the database is going > (access rights for users, how users are added etc)... I'm Cc:ing Alexa on this reply -- she's the one who will have the details on this (over what I mentioned above). Henrik From patrik@frobbit.se Wed Nov 17 00:34:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7697F3A68D4; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:34:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.939 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.939 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.240, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_31=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SufQ-A6K2f4G; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:34:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv01.frobbit.se (srv01.frobbit.se [IPv6:2a02:80:3ffe::39]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBCE3A68CC; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:34:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9822E9E6B31; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:35:12 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at frobbit.se Received: from srv01.frobbit.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv01.frobbit.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B8I-xv4w6t-N; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:35:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:64:42:226:bbff:fe15:8d13] (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:64:42:226:bbff:fe15:8d13]) (Authenticated sender: paf01) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FA4E9E6B1A; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:35:09 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= In-Reply-To: <4CE2C15A.7050201@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:29:38 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5B7E12FE-BCCE-4C4B-A4CE-F14431B5DE66@frobbit.se> References: <469E4C93-0EEE-43B3-BEEE-A1F5B0F73EEE@frobbit.se> <4CE2C15A.7050201@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: statements@ietf.org, Tools Team Discussion , Alexa Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] URL:s to new features in liaison management X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:34:30 -0000 On 16 nov 2010, at 18.37, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > I went over the admin actions needed and answered some questions from > the secretariat in Beijing, but they didn't have time to complete the > setup. I assume that will be done as soon as they are back in Fremont > and up and running again. Ahh...ok, makes sense of course! Thanks Henrik! Patrik From ietfdbh@comcast.net Fri Nov 19 12:21:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F483A68D0 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:21:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.56 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.56 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TWk59u4LAfHH for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565853A6862 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z5j21f0090QkzPwAC8N0J6; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 20:22:00 +0000 Received: from 23FX1C1 ([67.189.235.106]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z8My1f00B2JQnJT8N8Mz6o; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 20:22:00 +0000 From: "David Harrington" To: Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:21:55 -0500 Message-ID: <026AE931ADA84AABB7F9FEF09F37209F@23FX1C1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-index: AcuIJ2idAk7UhyiiRDCnWP2ZvRYtkg== Subject: [Tools-discuss] dattracker first page option X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 20:21:11 -0000 Hi, I would like to say that I don't like the new "first page only" approach in the datatracker. If I go to a document and search for something, the search might come up empty because the new datatracker only gives me part of the document. I understand this is nice for those working on smartphones, but I think it sucks when I'm working my documents on a full computer, which I do far more often than I do on a smartphone. I recommend having a setting in a cookie or in a xcap databsae that specifies if you want only the first page. But default to the full document approach for those that have not selected the first-page only approach. David Harrington Director, IETF Transport Area ietfdbh@comcast.net (preferred for ietf) dbharrington@huaweisymantec.com +1 603 828 1401 (cell) From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Nov 19 13:34:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12FC28C15F for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:34:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.250, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nT6PbaZefYue for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:34:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E5F3A680A for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from 90-230-136-60-no45.tbcn.telia.com ([90.230.136.60]:51909 helo=[192.168.1.65]) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PJYbs-00036G-G0; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:35:09 +0100 Message-ID: <4CE6ED86.7020307@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:35:02 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Harrington References: <026AE931ADA84AABB7F9FEF09F37209F@23FX1C1> In-Reply-To: <026AE931ADA84AABB7F9FEF09F37209F@23FX1C1> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 90.230.136.60 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: ietfdbh@comcast.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] dattracker first page option X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:34:32 -0000 Hi David, On 2010-11-19 21:21 David Harrington said the following: > Hi, > > I would like to say that I don't like the new "first page only" > approach in the datatracker. If I go to a document and search for > something, the search might come up empty because the new datatracker > only gives me part of the document. > > I understand this is nice for those working on smartphones, but I > think it sucks when I'm working my documents on a full computer, which > I do far more often than I do on a smartphone. > > I recommend having a setting in a cookie or in a xcap databsae that > specifies if you want only the first page. But default to the full > document approach for those that have not selected the first-page only > approach. A cookie setting for this has already been implemented, and will be part of the next release. Best, Henrik From spencer@wonderhamster.org Sat Nov 20 13:34:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B683A68E3 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:34:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.297 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.297 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.299, BAYES_50=0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UhwYWwyZE-b6 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A38D3A68E0 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b ([12.172.14.11]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MWTje-1OwHIw0gig-00Y1Pq; Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:35:15 -0500 Message-ID: <2A2D95790A0A4A53857EFE91B1A57D59@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "Henrik Levkowetz" , "David Harrington" References: <026AE931ADA84AABB7F9FEF09F37209F@23FX1C1> <4CE6ED86.7020307@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:35:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:o/YtlhGnX5cy7PbNCoUJu0aZiEBlhbWBfsDE2HWD+QI XKvObS2hwKgODDkmDaNML+s0/zZyj0FiRPpqwosC2xRtme5Oxl ybEGN4rncLcARSky/35KOujC8aUsYhyPLdObtJE7tj+c169v/p i6XDYejwv+/EZFSLbRVIyO4dY5o57SLQfEpH82gnms+LUwNq7q k+0Z6urTOXrtj6UL6oA8InI4GwgoHo1jtQKmrgUKjA= Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] dattracker first page option X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 21:34:42 -0000 Henrik, Perfect. Thanks! Spencer, who also doesn't usually read Internet Drafts on smartphones ... > Hi David, > > On 2010-11-19 21:21 David Harrington said the following: >> Hi, >> >> I would like to say that I don't like the new "first page only" >> approach in the datatracker. If I go to a document and search for >> something, the search might come up empty because the new datatracker >> only gives me part of the document. >> >> I understand this is nice for those working on smartphones, but I >> think it sucks when I'm working my documents on a full computer, which >> I do far more often than I do on a smartphone. >> >> I recommend having a setting in a cookie or in a xcap databsae that >> specifies if you want only the first page. But default to the full >> document approach for those that have not selected the first-page only >> approach. > > A cookie setting for this has already been implemented, and will be part > of the next release. > > > Best, > > Henrik > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tony@att.com Wed Nov 24 08:44:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED5028C10C; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:44:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.149, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fpBVP2lzSpNc; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail146.messagelabs.com (mail146.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.147]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D9F28C0F1; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:44:12 -0800 (PST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-146.messagelabs.com!1290617110!34211439!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 2100 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2010 16:45:11 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-11.tower-146.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 24 Nov 2010 16:45:11 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAOGjSux020110; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:45:29 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAOGjR9p020068; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:45:27 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAOGj6XH011193; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:45:07 -0500 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAOGj0sa010909; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:45:00 -0500 Received: from [135.70.10.203] (vpn-135-70-10-203.vpn.west.att.com[135.70.10.203]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20101124164459gw1004lkvde> (Authid: tony); Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:44:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.10.203] Message-ID: <4CED410A.9080107@att.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:44:58 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion References: <4CE2CC11.3000206@bell-labs.com> <4CE2CE0F.7020604@bell-labs.com> <4CECDB59.4020509@cisco.com> <34AC4C9D87A14575A7D4FA6471F9C96E@23FX1C1> In-Reply-To: <34AC4C9D87A14575A7D4FA6471F9C96E@23FX1C1> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040300050909060903020507" Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Audio from IETF-79? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:44:15 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040300050909060903020507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm thinking that after the time for a meeting is past, the speaker icon in the agenda could point to the archive location, possibly with a change to the icon to indicate that it's now pointing at the archive instead of the stream. Henrik, thoughts? Tony Hansen tony@att.com On 11/24/2010 7:21 AM, David Harrington wrote: > Hi, > The little speaker next to the agenda is the link to the live > streaming. You need the archive. > From http://www.ietf.org/ select Audio Archives (under previous meeting) > which leads to http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf79/ > Then look for the entry with ch4 for wed am. > Unfortunately, I don't see such a listing, which makes me think it > might not have been recorded. > dbh > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Benoit Claise > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 24, 2010 4:31 AM > *To:* Vijay K. Gurbani > *Cc:* wgchairs@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: Audio from IETF-79? > > Hi, > > Historically, finding the audio has always been a source of > frustration for me. > Once I found the web site (thanks Vijay), then what is the right > channel? > Simple example: I want to listen to IPFIX, which was on Wed > morning in Jade 1. > I guess that the right channel is the number 4 because I see 4 in > the URL next to Jade1 at > http://www.ietf.org/meeting/79/remote-participation.html > > > Audio Streaming > > Room Audio > Emerald http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf791.m3u > Garden Ballroom 1 > http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf792.m3u > Garden Ballroom 3 > http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf793.m3u > Jade 1 http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf794.m3u > Pearl http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf795.m3u > Valley Ballroom A > http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf796.m3u > Valley Ballroom B > http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf797.m3u > Valley Ballroom C > http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf798.m3u > > > So looking for channel 4 wed morning at > http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf doesn't return anything... > Note: on http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/79/, the little speaker next > to the WG doesn't produced anything for me. > > I should be missing something obvious, but I would not like to die > stupid ;-) > > Regards, Benoit. > >> On 11/16/2010 12:24 PM, David A. Bryan wrote: >>> Thanks! >>> >>> At risk of really looking stupid (but I'll risk it since there >>> are so >>> many other reasons I look stupid all the time ;) )...how did you >>> know >>> this/find it on the IETF page? >> >> Navigate to the main IETF 79 page >> (http://www.ietf.org/meeting/79/index.html). >> >> From there, click on "Remote Participation (Audio, Jabber, WebEx) >> link. >> >> From there, cut any of the streaming audio links --- >> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf791.m3u will do. >> Strip the >> tail end of the resource to get to >> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf and from there you have >> a link to the raw archives (all the way at the bottom.) >> >> I agree ... not intuitive. >> >> Ciao, >> >> - vijay > --------------040300050909060903020507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm thinking that after the time for a meeting is past, the speaker icon in the agenda could point to the archive location, possibly with a change to the icon to indicate that it's now pointing at the archive instead of the stream.

Henrik, thoughts?

    Tony Hansen
    tony@att.com

On 11/24/2010 7:21 AM, David Harrington wrote:
Hi,
 
The little speaker next to the agenda is the link to the live streaming. You need the archive.
 
From http://www.ietf.org/ select Audio Archives (under previous meeting)
Then look for the entry with ch4 for wed am.
Unfortunately, I don't see such a listing, which makes me think it might not have been recorded.
 
dbh
 

From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Benoit Claise
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 4:31 AM
To: Vijay K. Gurbani
Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Audio from IETF-79?

Hi,

Historically, finding the audio has always been a source of frustration for me.
Once I found the web site (thanks Vijay), then what is the right channel?
Simple example: I want to listen to IPFIX, which was on Wed morning in Jade 1.
I guess that the right channel is the number 4 because I see 4 in the URL next to Jade1 at http://www.ietf.org/meeting/79/remote-participation.html

Audio Streaming

Room Audio
Emerald http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf791.m3u
Garden Ballroom 1 http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf792.m3u
Garden Ballroom 3 http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf793.m3u
Jade 1 http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf794.m3u
Pearl http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf795.m3u
Valley Ballroom A http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf796.m3u
Valley Ballroom B http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf797.m3u
Valley Ballroom C http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf798.m3u

So looking for channel 4 wed morning at http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf doesn't return anything...
Note: on http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/79/, the little speaker next to the WG doesn't produced anything for me.

I should be missing something obvious, but I would not like to die stupid ;-)

Regards, Benoit.

On 11/16/2010 12:24 PM, David A. Bryan wrote:
Thanks!

At risk of really looking stupid (but I'll risk it since there are so
many other reasons I look stupid all the time ;) )...how did you know
this/find it on the IETF page?

Navigate to the main IETF 79 page
   (http://www.ietf.org/meeting/79/index.html).

From there, click on "Remote Participation (Audio, Jabber, WebEx) link.

From there, cut any of the streaming audio links ---
http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf791.m3u will do.  Strip the
tail end of the resource to get to
http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf and from there you have
a link to the raw archives (all the way at the bottom.)

I agree ... not intuitive.

Ciao,

- vijay

--------------040300050909060903020507-- From richard.barnes@gmail.com Sat Nov 27 10:23:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6592A28C0D7 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:23:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.444 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.444 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.155, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ff2Tpy42TKnL for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:23:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AC828C0E9 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so3009198bwz.31 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:24:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zLuXaBkw4+r930c70Hzk0vWwJ24lOfrDLduEcp8/OOY=; b=W8wdIAPgNOVEpWNsjQb8/tp8KxbKAnIcWQlCzAzTdQwlwzGFpEyBWcsDl8UiG5N8Ck MiET5QsJNLRFiZ3/cskHM6OQUVeiw8VzSXHjcS5Faa7z6j4BLVuMpsNnFQNg3MFMO+ex twpKSsQeMejMb4GeDPUnSf8OjCURG8DcTqlC4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=AfAcQrndAI15oXTaq5+674qp5WqbgvKbufPf5UtR+qCCX20lHGWHsdw0kk95teyYHj hVD7yDOIOmB4LOs/+H6ieJhG3zHiAMqVM/3z6Ywo1xU+sR9XH4yxNQQjY0vsOYPrPTp6 uzEWZp1ZFKuqq9XFuaOKzots4yJ1efYHMBVXo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.127.94 with SMTP id f30mr3140387bks.1.1290882266400; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.70.81 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:24:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:24:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: Richard Barnes To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [Tools-discuss] 403 error on agenda page X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 18:23:25 -0000 Returns 403: Forbidden From joelja@bogus.com Sat Nov 27 23:21:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48273A6B46; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 23:21:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2BL5zheBM0gk; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 23:21:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F303A6AEE; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 23:21:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from joelja-mac.local (c-76-115-175-145.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [76.115.175.145]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAS7MSg3038613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 28 Nov 2010 07:22:28 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <4CF202E4.8040405@bogus.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 23:21:08 -0800 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Hansen References: <4CE2CC11.3000206@bell-labs.com> <4CE2CE0F.7020604@bell-labs.com> <4CECDB59.4020509@cisco.com> <34AC4C9D87A14575A7D4FA6471F9C96E@23FX1C1> <4CED410A.9080107@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4CED410A.9080107@att.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Audio from IETF-79? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 07:21:27 -0000 On 11/24/10 8:44 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: > I'm thinking that after the time for a meeting is past, the speaker icon > in the agenda could point to the archive location, possibly with a > change to the icon to indicate that it's now pointing at the archive > instead of the stream. > > Henrik, thoughts? the general thought was the existing name scheme is not sufficiently normalized to support that, it could potentially be however up to a point. the recorders postpend .# in ordering to keep from overwriting prexisting recordings, which happens if the recording is start and stopped, the recorder crashes or environmental hazards (like someone unplugging it occur). > Tony Hansen > tony@att.com > > On 11/24/2010 7:21 AM, David Harrington wrote: >> Hi, >> >> The little speaker next to the agenda is the link to the live >> streaming. You need the archive. >> >> From http://www.ietf.org/ select Audio Archives (under previous meeting) >> which leads to http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf79/ >> Then look for the entry with ch4 for wed am. >> Unfortunately, I don't see such a listing, which makes me think it >> might not have been recorded. >> >> dbh >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Benoit Claise >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 24, 2010 4:31 AM >> *To:* Vijay K. Gurbani >> *Cc:* wgchairs@ietf.org >> *Subject:* Re: Audio from IETF-79? >> >> Hi, >> >> Historically, finding the audio has always been a source of >> frustration for me. >> Once I found the web site (thanks Vijay), then what is the right >> channel? >> Simple example: I want to listen to IPFIX, which was on Wed >> morning in Jade 1. >> I guess that the right channel is the number 4 because I see 4 in >> the URL next to Jade1 at >> http://www.ietf.org/meeting/79/remote-participation.html >> >> >> Audio Streaming >> >> Room Audio >> Emerald http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf791.m3u >> Garden Ballroom 1 >> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf792.m3u >> Garden Ballroom 3 >> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf793.m3u >> Jade 1 http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf794.m3u >> Pearl http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf795.m3u >> Valley Ballroom A >> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf796.m3u >> Valley Ballroom B >> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf797.m3u >> Valley Ballroom C >> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf798.m3u >> >> >> So looking for channel 4 wed morning at >> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf doesn't return anything... >> Note: on http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/79/, the little speaker next >> to the WG doesn't produced anything for me. >> >> I should be missing something obvious, but I would not like to die >> stupid ;-) >> >> Regards, Benoit. >> >>> On 11/16/2010 12:24 PM, David A. Bryan wrote: >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> At risk of really looking stupid (but I'll risk it since there >>>> are so >>>> many other reasons I look stupid all the time ;) )...how did you >>>> know >>>> this/find it on the IETF page? >>> >>> Navigate to the main IETF 79 page >>> (http://www.ietf.org/meeting/79/index.html). >>> >>> From there, click on "Remote Participation (Audio, Jabber, WebEx) >>> link. >>> >>> From there, cut any of the streaming audio links --- >>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf791.m3u will do. >>> Strip the >>> tail end of the resource to get to >>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf and from there you have >>> a link to the raw archives (all the way at the bottom.) >>> >>> I agree ... not intuitive. >>> >>> Ciao, >>> >>> - vijay >> From fred@cisco.com Sun Nov 28 14:42:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688A928B56A for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:42:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2hYPn9gjomaw for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:41:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D233A6BCF for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:41:58 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-6.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAMNp8kyrRN+K/2dsb2JhbACie3GmN5olhUcEhFyGBYMP X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,272,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="627181279" Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Nov 2010 22:43:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (sjc-vpn5-1332.cisco.com [10.21.93.52]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oASMh3tc023982; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 22:43:07 GMT From: Fred Baker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:43:08 -0800 Message-Id: <127721FB-4D0D-49CE-BB5D-12BB626619E7@cisco.com> To: xml2rfc list Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: [Tools-discuss] Question on reference file generation X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 22:42:03 -0000 I'm increasingly finding that I can't compile xml2rfc files on my laptop = but can do so if I upload them to xml.resource.org. The issue seems to = be one of supporting file naming and generation. It used to be that we = could depend on the generation of files with names like reference.I-D.baker-ietf-core.xml reference.I-D.draft-baker-ietf-core-01.xml reference.I-D.draft-baker-ietf-core-02.xml reference.I-D.draft-baker-ietf-core-05.xml reference.I-D.draft-baker-ietf-core-06.xml reference.I-D.draft-baker-ietf-core-07.xml reference.I-D.draft-baker-ietf-core-08.xml reference.I-D.draft-baker-ietf-core-09.xml and if include the I-D.baker-ietf-core I am sure to get the most recent = one (which is interesting; that draft is now at -11 and several versions = aren't there; hmm); now, the summary link isn't there: reference.I-D.draft-arkko-ipv6-transition-guidelines-01.xml reference.I-D.draft-arkko-ipv6-transition-guidelines-02.xml reference.I-D.draft-arkko-ipv6-transition-guidelines-03.xml reference.I-D.draft-arkko-ipv6-transition-guidelines-04.xml reference.I-D.draft-arkko-ipv6-transition-guidelines-07.xml Am I downloading files from the wrong place?= From elwynd@dial.pipex.com Mon Nov 29 16:41:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5DA3A6C47 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:41:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KWypIhdP1b4V for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:41:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from auth.a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:0:30::51bb:1e33]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A592C3A6C4E for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:41:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from 250.254.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.254.250]) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNEJB-0007G8-Tz; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 00:43:02 +0000 From: Elwyn Davies To: IETF TOOLS discussion Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 00:43:28 +0000 Message-Id: <1291077808.4284.11266.camel@mightyatom.folly.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: [Tools-discuss] Infelicity in HTML markup X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 00:41:56 -0000 Hi. I spotted a minor infelicity in markup of a reference in a draft (I think this may be a re-report of the same problem I saw a while back in a different draft - apologies if it is a rehash). This was in draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis-19: > 13.12. Denial of Service > > > [DOS] defines denial of service as follows: > The [DOS] should be a reference but wasn't inserted as a hyperlink. Regards, Elwyn From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Nov 30 01:43:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC413A6927 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 01:43:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WVuHa9qmkkxF for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 01:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4883A6806 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 01:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:50354 helo=dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PNMl8-0003FP-1Q; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:44:26 +0100 Message-ID: <4CF4C778.1080902@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:44:24 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elwyn Davies References: <1291077808.4284.11266.camel@mightyatom.folly.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <1291077808.4284.11266.camel@mightyatom.folly.org.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: elwynd@dial.pipex.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Infelicity in HTML markup X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:43:28 -0000 HI Elwyn, On 2010-11-30 01:43 Elwyn Davies said: > Hi. > > I spotted a minor infelicity in markup of a reference in a draft (I > think this may be a re-report of the same problem I saw a while back in > a different draft - apologies if it is a rehash). > > This was in draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis-19: > >> 13.12. Denial of Service >> >> >> [DOS] defines denial of service as follows: >> > > The [DOS] should be a reference but wasn't inserted as a hyperlink. Right. The regex-based conversion thinks this matches a reference definition, rather than a reference. Noted for a future fix. Best, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Nov 30 06:14:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DB03A6C5E; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 06:14:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zri6WTPVbhrO; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 06:14:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C283A6C64; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 06:14:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33478 helo=dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PNQz6-0004KV-US; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:15:10 +0100 Message-ID: <4CF506EC.4020909@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:15:08 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joel Jaeggli References: <4CE2CC11.3000206@bell-labs.com> <4CE2CE0F.7020604@bell-labs.com> <4CECDB59.4020509@cisco.com> <34AC4C9D87A14575A7D4FA6471F9C96E@23FX1C1> <4CED410A.9080107@att.com> <4CF202E4.8040405@bogus.com> In-Reply-To: <4CF202E4.8040405@bogus.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: joelja@bogus.com, tony@att.com, wgchairs@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, Tony Hansen , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Audio from IETF-79? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:14:56 -0000 On 2010-11-28 08:21 Joel Jaeggli said: > On 11/24/10 8:44 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: >> I'm thinking that after the time for a meeting is past, the speaker icon >> in the agenda could point to the archive location, possibly with a >> change to the icon to indicate that it's now pointing at the archive >> instead of the stream. >> >> Henrik, thoughts? > > the general thought was the existing name scheme is not sufficiently > normalized to support that, it could potentially be however up to a > point. the recorders postpend .# in ordering to keep from overwriting > prexisting recordings, which happens if the recording is start and > stopped, the recorder crashes or environmental hazards (like someone > unplugging it occur). It is as Joel says. The naming scheme for the recordings is insufficiently consistent over time and insufficiently well mapped to the meeting slots to easily (automatically) point to the right recording. I've tried to scratch this itch several times, but every time I've balked at the amount of manual work needed to normalize the naming scheme to something useful. Best, Henrik >> Tony Hansen >> tony@att.com >> >> On 11/24/2010 7:21 AM, David Harrington wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> The little speaker next to the agenda is the link to the live >>> streaming. You need the archive. >>> >>> From http://www.ietf.org/ select Audio Archives (under previous meeting) >>> which leads to http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf79/ >>> Then look for the entry with ch4 for wed am. >>> Unfortunately, I don't see such a listing, which makes me think it >>> might not have been recorded. >>> >>> dbh >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From:* wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org >>> [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Benoit Claise >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 24, 2010 4:31 AM >>> *To:* Vijay K. Gurbani >>> *Cc:* wgchairs@ietf.org >>> *Subject:* Re: Audio from IETF-79? >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Historically, finding the audio has always been a source of >>> frustration for me. >>> Once I found the web site (thanks Vijay), then what is the right >>> channel? >>> Simple example: I want to listen to IPFIX, which was on Wed >>> morning in Jade 1. >>> I guess that the right channel is the number 4 because I see 4 in >>> the URL next to Jade1 at >>> http://www.ietf.org/meeting/79/remote-participation.html >>> >>> >>> Audio Streaming >>> >>> Room Audio >>> Emerald http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf791.m3u >>> Garden Ballroom 1 >>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf792.m3u >>> Garden Ballroom 3 >>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf793.m3u >>> Jade 1 http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf794.m3u >>> Pearl http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf795.m3u >>> Valley Ballroom A >>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf796.m3u >>> Valley Ballroom B >>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf797.m3u >>> Valley Ballroom C >>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf798.m3u >>> >>> >>> So looking for channel 4 wed morning at >>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf doesn't return anything... >>> Note: on http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/79/, the little speaker next >>> to the WG doesn't produced anything for me. >>> >>> I should be missing something obvious, but I would not like to die >>> stupid ;-) >>> >>> Regards, Benoit. >>> >>>> On 11/16/2010 12:24 PM, David A. Bryan wrote: >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> At risk of really looking stupid (but I'll risk it since there >>>>> are so >>>>> many other reasons I look stupid all the time ;) )...how did you >>>>> know >>>>> this/find it on the IETF page? >>>> >>>> Navigate to the main IETF 79 page >>>> (http://www.ietf.org/meeting/79/index.html). >>>> >>>> From there, click on "Remote Participation (Audio, Jabber, WebEx) >>>> link. >>>> >>>> From there, cut any of the streaming audio links --- >>>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf791.m3u will do. >>>> Strip the >>>> tail end of the resource to get to >>>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf and from there you have >>>> a link to the raw archives (all the way at the bottom.) >>>> >>>> I agree ... not intuitive. >>>> >>>> Ciao, >>>> >>>> - vijay >>> > > From tony@att.com Tue Nov 30 08:38:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986FA28C0E8; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:38:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wkAiARu9r2pO; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:38:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail129.messagelabs.com (mail129.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.147]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A379E3A6AAC; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:38:19 -0800 (PST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-129.messagelabs.com!1291135170!37693236!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 24756 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2010 16:39:30 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-5.tower-129.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 30 Nov 2010 16:39:30 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAUGdmQV017624; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:39:49 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAUGde8Z017429; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:39:40 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAUGdLg4004433; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:39:21 -0500 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAUGdE0w004230; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:39:14 -0500 Received: from [135.91.118.236] (ds135-91-118-236.dhcps.ugn.att.com[135.91.118.236]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20101130163914gw1004lk6se> (Authid: tony); Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:39:14 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.91.118.236] Message-ID: <4CF528B2.5060303@att.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:39:14 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion , wgchairs@ietf.org References: <4CE2CC11.3000206@bell-labs.com> <4CE2CE0F.7020604@bell-labs.com> <4CECDB59.4020509@cisco.com> <34AC4C9D87A14575A7D4FA6471F9C96E@23FX1C1> <4CED410A.9080107@att.com> <4CF202E4.8040405@bogus.com> In-Reply-To: <4CF202E4.8040405@bogus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Audio from IETF-79? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:38:25 -0000 Seems like an interstitial page or popup would be useful then. We know the channel, and we know the time of the WG meeting -- what we don't know is what files this maps into. For example, the meetings on Wednesday morning in the Garden Ballroom 1 map in to this set of files: http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf79/ ietf79-ch2-wed-am.mp3 ietf79-ch2-wed-am.mp3.1 ietf79-ch2-wed-am.mp3.2 Being able to click on an icon in the agenda that somehow displayed those three links would be useful. Whether this is shown on a separate page, or done via a popup box from the agenda page, is a matter of taste. Tony Hansen On 11/28/2010 2:21 AM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > On 11/24/10 8:44 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: >> I'm thinking that after the time for a meeting is past, the speaker icon >> in the agenda could point to the archive location, possibly with a >> change to the icon to indicate that it's now pointing at the archive >> instead of the stream. >> >> Henrik, thoughts? > the general thought was the existing name scheme is not sufficiently > normalized to support that, it could potentially be however up to a > point. the recorders postpend .# in ordering to keep from overwriting > prexisting recordings, which happens if the recording is start and > stopped, the recorder crashes or environmental hazards (like someone > unplugging it occur). > >> Tony Hansen >> tony@att.com >> >> On 11/24/2010 7:21 AM, David Harrington wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> The little speaker next to the agenda is the link to the live >>> streaming. You need the archive. >>> >>> From http://www.ietf.org/ select Audio Archives (under previous meeting) >>> which leads to http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf79/ >>> Then look for the entry with ch4 for wed am. >>> Unfortunately, I don't see such a listing, which makes me think it >>> might not have been recorded. >>> >>> dbh >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From:* wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org >>> [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Benoit Claise >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 24, 2010 4:31 AM >>> *To:* Vijay K. Gurbani >>> *Cc:* wgchairs@ietf.org >>> *Subject:* Re: Audio from IETF-79? >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Historically, finding the audio has always been a source of >>> frustration for me. >>> Once I found the web site (thanks Vijay), then what is the right >>> channel? >>> Simple example: I want to listen to IPFIX, which was on Wed >>> morning in Jade 1. >>> I guess that the right channel is the number 4 because I see 4 in >>> the URL next to Jade1 at >>> http://www.ietf.org/meeting/79/remote-participation.html >>> >>> >>> Audio Streaming >>> >>> Room Audio >>> Emerald http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf791.m3u >>> Garden Ballroom 1 >>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf792.m3u >>> Garden Ballroom 3 >>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf793.m3u >>> Jade 1 http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf794.m3u >>> Pearl http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf795.m3u >>> Valley Ballroom A >>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf796.m3u >>> Valley Ballroom B >>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf797.m3u >>> Valley Ballroom C >>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf798.m3u >>> >>> >>> So looking for channel 4 wed morning at >>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf doesn't return anything... >>> Note: on http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/79/, the little speaker next >>> to the WG doesn't produced anything for me. >>> >>> I should be missing something obvious, but I would not like to die >>> stupid ;-) >>> >>> Regards, Benoit. >>> >>>> On 11/16/2010 12:24 PM, David A. Bryan wrote: >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> At risk of really looking stupid (but I'll risk it since there >>>>> are so >>>>> many other reasons I look stupid all the time ;) )...how did you >>>>> know >>>>> this/find it on the IETF page? >>>> Navigate to the main IETF 79 page >>>> (http://www.ietf.org/meeting/79/index.html). >>>> >>>> From there, click on "Remote Participation (Audio, Jabber, WebEx) >>>> link. >>>> >>>> From there, cut any of the streaming audio links --- >>>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf791.m3u will do. >>>> Strip the >>>> tail end of the resource to get to >>>> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf and from there you have >>>> a link to the raw archives (all the way at the bottom.) >>>> >>>> I agree ... not intuitive. >>>> >>>> Ciao, >>>> >>>> - vijay From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Nov 30 08:50:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908083A6BD4; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:50:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8dU-brFlnuWt; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:50:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929BD3A6BDD; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:50:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:60650 helo=dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PNTQW-0002Mx-Nv; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:51:37 +0100 Message-ID: <4CF52B97.10502@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:51:35 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marshall Eubanks References: <4CE2CC11.3000206@bell-labs.com> <4CE2CE0F.7020604@bell-labs.com> <4CECDB59.4020509@cisco.com> <34AC4C9D87A14575A7D4FA6471F9C96E@23FX1C1> <4CED410A.9080107@att.com> <4CF202E4.8040405@bogus.com> <4CF506EC.4020909@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tme@americafree.tv, joelja@bogus.com, wgchairs@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Joel Jaeggli , wgchairs@ietf.org, Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Audio from IETF-79? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:50:37 -0000 Hi Marshall, On 2010-11-30 15:35 Marshall Eubanks said: > > On Nov 30, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> >> On 2010-11-28 08:21 Joel Jaeggli said: >>> On 11/24/10 8:44 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: >>>> I'm thinking that after the time for a meeting is past, the speaker icon >>>> in the agenda could point to the archive location, possibly with a >>>> change to the icon to indicate that it's now pointing at the archive >>>> instead of the stream. >>>> >>>> Henrik, thoughts? >>> >>> the general thought was the existing name scheme is not sufficiently >>> normalized to support that, it could potentially be however up to a >>> point. the recorders postpend .# in ordering to keep from overwriting >>> prexisting recordings, which happens if the recording is start and >>> stopped, the recorder crashes or environmental hazards (like someone >>> unplugging it occur). >> >> It is as Joel says. The naming scheme for the recordings is insufficiently >> consistent over time and insufficiently well mapped to the meeting slots >> to easily (automatically) point to the right recording. I've tried to scratch >> this itch several times, but every time I've balked at the amount of manual >> work needed to normalize the naming scheme to something useful. > > Would it be a reasonable amount of work to set something up something like this going forward (i.e., only > for future meetings, and not worrying about ease of use of the past) ? > > The need for audio recordings peaks about 1 month after the meeting, so starting in Prague > would capture most of the need for the future. Looking at it from the viewpoint of connecting up a recording with a WG name, but keeping in mind that the audio people wouldn't want to keep track of the actual WG names, I'd propose a naming following the agenda's timeslot names. These are 'Morning Session I', 'Morning Session II', 'Afternoon Session I', 'Afternoon Session II' and 'Afternoon Session III'. Abbreviating this and merging with the current naming for meeting number and day, we would have for instance: ietf80-ch1-mon-morning-i.mp3 ietf80-ch1-mon-afternoon-i.mp3 ietf80-ch1-mon-afternoon-ii.mp3 ietf80-ch1-mon-afternoon-iii.mp3 ietf80-ch1-tue-morning-i.mp3 or alternatively, shorter: ietf80-ch1-mon-am-i.mp3 ietf80-ch1-mon-pm-i.mp3 ietf80-ch1-mon-pm-ii.mp3 ietf80-ch1-mon-pm-iii.mp3 ietf80-ch1-tue-am-i.mp3 etc. The automatic appending of sequence numbers for re-started recordings should work as it is with the schemes above. The naming schema above seems to be close to what's currently in use, but I'm not sure the current schema is quite as regular as the proposed. Also, in the current schema I always get a bit confused by seeing 'noon', which I guess is an abbreviation for afternoon, but it makes me think of something related to 12 o'clock -- maybe the extra Thursday lectures... However, it is still the people who manage the audio recordings who will have to split and name the recordings to match the above; and they should have the last word on whether this is feasible and makes sense. Best, Henrik From tony@att.com Tue Nov 30 09:31:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0296D28C15B; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:31:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZJBqdvQEa9AL; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail161.messagelabs.com (mail161.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.115]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C63728C15D; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:29:57 -0800 (PST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-161.messagelabs.com!1291138249!35521650!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 28248 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2010 17:30:49 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-14.tower-161.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 30 Nov 2010 17:30:49 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAUHV77a013041; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:31:08 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAUHV4J3012963; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:31:04 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAUHUitg010186; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:30:44 -0500 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAUHUZ7L008765; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:30:35 -0500 Received: from [135.91.118.236] (ds135-91-118-236.dhcps.ugn.att.com[135.91.118.236]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20101130173035gw1004lk7de> (Authid: tony); Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:30:35 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.91.118.236] Message-ID: <4CF534BB.6000803@att.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:30:35 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wgchairs@ietf.org, Tools Team Discussion References: <4CE2CC11.3000206@bell-labs.com> <4CE2CE0F.7020604@bell-labs.com> <4CECDB59.4020509@cisco.com> <34AC4C9D87A14575A7D4FA6471F9C96E@23FX1C1> <4CED410A.9080107@att.com> <4CF202E4.8040405@bogus.com> <4CF506EC.4020909@levkowetz.com> <4CF52B97.10502@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4CF52B97.10502@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Audio from IETF-79? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:31:30 -0000 On 11/30/2010 11:51 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > ... or alternatively, shorter: > > ietf80-ch1-mon-am-i.mp3 > ietf80-ch1-mon-pm-i.mp3 > ietf80-ch1-mon-pm-ii.mp3 > ietf80-ch1-mon-pm-iii.mp3 > ietf80-ch1-tue-am-i.mp3 > > etc. > > The automatic appending of sequence numbers for re-started recordings > should work as it is with the schemes above. > > The naming schema above seems to be close to what's currently in use, > but I'm not sure the current schema is quite as regular as the proposed. > Also, in the current schema I always get a bit confused by seeing 'noon', > which I guess is an abbreviation for afternoon, but it makes me think > of something related to 12 o'clock -- maybe the extra Thursday lectures... > However, it is still the people who manage the audio recordings who will > have to split and name the recordings to match the above; and they should > have the last word on whether this is feasible and makes sense. The current names also use afnoon, plenary, plenary-iab-technical, noon2, noon3 and a plethora of other variations that seemed to be at the whim of the person in the audio lab. Regularizing the name scheme would be useful. Tony Hansen From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Nov 30 12:28:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A225D3A6BDF; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:28:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.412 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.412 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.188, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o9jsqJfwJCDm; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:28:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A0B3A6BDA; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:28:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from 90-230-136-60-no45.tbcn.telia.com ([90.230.136.60]:58474 helo=[192.168.1.65]) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PNWpa-0006Um-Vi; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:29:44 +0100 Message-ID: <4CF55EAF.9010402@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:29:35 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marshall Eubanks References: <4CE2CC11.3000206@bell-labs.com> <4CE2CE0F.7020604@bell-labs.com> <4CECDB59.4020509@cisco.com> <34AC4C9D87A14575A7D4FA6471F9C96E@23FX1C1> <4CED410A.9080107@att.com> <4CF202E4.8040405@bogus.com> <4CF506EC.4020909@levkowetz.com> <4CF52B97.10502@levkowetz.com> <75EF1F11-0313-4924-AC65-984011A2C9FC@americafree.tv> In-Reply-To: <75EF1F11-0313-4924-AC65-984011A2C9FC@americafree.tv> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 90.230.136.60 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tme@americafree.tv, joelja@bogus.com, wgchairs@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Joel Jaeggli , wgchairs@ietf.org, Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Audio from IETF-79? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:28:45 -0000 Hi Marshall, ... >> Looking at it from the viewpoint of connecting up a recording with a WG >> name, but keeping in mind that the audio people wouldn't want to keep >> track of the actual WG names, I'd propose a naming following the agenda's >> timeslot names. These are 'Morning Session I', 'Morning Session II', >> 'Afternoon Session I', 'Afternoon Session II' and 'Afternoon Session III'. >> >> Abbreviating this and merging with the current naming for meeting number >> and day, we would have for instance: >> >> ietf80-ch1-mon-morning-i.mp3 >> ietf80-ch1-mon-afternoon-i.mp3 >> ietf80-ch1-mon-afternoon-ii.mp3 >> ietf80-ch1-mon-afternoon-iii.mp3 >> ietf80-ch1-tue-morning-i.mp3 >> > > I would propose a add on - > > a - for the first segment of the session > b - for the second, etc. > > So, it might be > > ietf80-ch1-mon-morning-i-a.mp3 > ietf80-ch1-mon-morning-i-b.mp3 > ietf80-ch1-mon-morning-i-c.mp3 > ietf80-ch1-mon-afternoon-i-a.mp3 Or -1 -2 -3, or whatever. I wouldn't mind, but also wouldn't require it if it means that some script will have to be rewritten, with the outcome that we won't get the essential changes in place for Prague... Best, Henrik > That way, if the audio has a break or restart, it doesn't also break the naming convention. > > Regards > Marshall > > >> or alternatively, shorter: >> >> ietf80-ch1-mon-am-i.mp3 >> ietf80-ch1-mon-pm-i.mp3 >> ietf80-ch1-mon-pm-ii.mp3 >> ietf80-ch1-mon-pm-iii.mp3 >> ietf80-ch1-tue-am-i.mp3 >> >> etc. >> >> The automatic appending of sequence numbers for re-started recordings >> should work as it is with the schemes above. >> >> The naming schema above seems to be close to what's currently in use, >> but I'm not sure the current schema is quite as regular as the proposed. >> Also, in the current schema I always get a bit confused by seeing 'noon', >> which I guess is an abbreviation for afternoon, but it makes me think >> of something related to 12 o'clock -- maybe the extra Thursday lectures... >> >> However, it is still the people who manage the audio recordings who will >> have to split and name the recordings to match the above; and they should >> have the last word on whether this is feasible and makes sense. >> >> >> Best, >> >> Henrik >> >> > > From fred@cisco.com Tue Nov 30 13:19:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5E33A6C34 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:19:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.682 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.682 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.541, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D6hz2yVFJeHT for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85AA23A6C30 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:19:50 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-6.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlMIABT59EyrRN+J/2dsb2JhbACiMV1xqFqbRIVHBIRchgaDDw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,281,1288569600"; d="scan'208,217";a="628390083" Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.223.137]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Nov 2010 21:21:02 +0000 Received: from Freds-Computer.local ([10.21.87.127]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oAULKn54026267; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:21:01 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by Freds-Computer.local (PGP Universal service); Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:21:01 -0500 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by Freds-Computer.local on Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:21:01 -0500 X-Apple-Mail-Remote-Attachments: YES In-Reply-To: <127721FB-4D0D-49CE-BB5D-12BB626619E7@cisco.com> X-Apple-Mail-Signature: SKIP_SIGNATURE X-Uniform-Type-Identifier: com.apple.mail-draft Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Apple-Base-Url: x-msg://9/ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:27:39 -0600 Message-Id: <078F7F3D-B8B5-430A-8798-4C4482FF2ED0@cisco.com> To: IETF TOOLS discussion X-Apple-Auto-Saved: 1 From: Fred Baker References: <127721FB-4D0D-49CE-BB5D-12BB626619E7@cisco.com> X-Apple-Mail-Plain-Text-Draft: yes X-Apple-Windows-Friendly: 1 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Cc: xml2rfc list Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Question on reference file generation X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:19:51 -0000 I got = a private response that said "works for me". OK, so I deleted my entire = database and re-downloaded it. They're all there.

Hmm. I've got a = few more questions, but I'll do the debugging separately.

On Nov = 28, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Fred Baker wrote:

I'm increasingly finding that I can't compile xml2rfc = files on my laptop but can do so if I upload them to xml.resource.org. = The issue seems to be one of supporting file naming and generation. = It used to be that we could depend on the generation of files = with names like

reference.I-D.baker-ietf-core.xml
reference.I-D.draft-baker-ietf-core-01.xml
<= blockquote = type=3D"cite">reference.I-D.draft-baker-ietf-core-02.xml
<= blockquote = type=3D"cite">reference.I-D.draft-baker-ietf-core-05.xml
<= blockquote = type=3D"cite">reference.I-D.draft-baker-ietf-core-06.xml
<= blockquote = type=3D"cite">reference.I-D.draft-baker-ietf-core-07.xml
<= blockquote = type=3D"cite">reference.I-D.draft-baker-ietf-core-08.xml
<= blockquote = type=3D"cite">reference.I-D.draft-baker-ietf-core-09.xml
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
and = if include the I-D.baker-ietf-core I am sure to get the most recent one = (which is interesting; that draft is now at -11 and several = versions aren't there; hmm); now, the summary link isn't = there:

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reference.I-D.draft-arkko-ipv6-transition-guidelines-02.xml<= br>
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reference.I-D.draft-arkko-ipv6-transition-guidelines-07.xml<= br>

Am I downloading files from the wrong = place?
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= From joelja@bogus.com Tue Nov 30 14:32:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8CD3A6C41; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:32:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UiS8z3hsDJc9; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:32:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3253A6C3C; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:32:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.20.14.36] ([67.139.65.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAUMXnI5014624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:33:52 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) References: <4CE2CC11.3000206@bell-labs.com> <4CE2CE0F.7020604@bell-labs.com> <4CECDB59.4020509@cisco.com> <34AC4C9D87A14575A7D4FA6471F9C96E@23FX1C1> <4CED410A.9080107@att.com> <4CF202E4.8040405@bogus.com> <4CF506EC.4020909@levkowetz.com> <4CF52B97.10502@levkowetz.com> <75EF1F11-0313-4924-AC65-984011A2C9FC@americafree.tv> <4CF55EAF.9010402@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4CF55EAF.9010402@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8C148) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <49C1B3D0-0BF8-4992-990A-4E92D237800F@bogus.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8C148) From: Joel Jaeggli Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:35:22 -0800 To: Henrik Levkowetz Cc: "wgchairs@ietf.org" , Marshall Eubanks , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Audio from IETF-79? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:32:45 -0000 So long as it's feasible whomever does it Prague will attempt to hew to a se= lected convention. =46rom my vantage point it would be cool if it resulted in a days worth of s= essions be in same temporal and alphabetical sort order.=20 Note that one general issues is that. Sessions that are stacked on top of ea= ch other like in the afternoon tend to run together. The alternative is rig= idly enforcing the breaks in the recording. Joel's widget number 2 On Nov 30, 2010, at 12:29, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Marshall, >=20 >=20 > ... >>> Looking at it from the viewpoint of connecting up a recording with a WG >>> name, but keeping in mind that the audio people wouldn't want to keep >>> track of the actual WG names, I'd propose a naming following the agenda'= s >>> timeslot names. These are 'Morning Session I', 'Morning Session II', >>> 'Afternoon Session I', 'Afternoon Session II' and 'Afternoon Session III= '. >>>=20 >>> Abbreviating this and merging with the current naming for meeting number= >>> and day, we would have for instance: >>>=20 >>> ietf80-ch1-mon-morning-i.mp3 >>> ietf80-ch1-mon-afternoon-i.mp3 >>> ietf80-ch1-mon-afternoon-ii.mp3 >>> ietf80-ch1-mon-afternoon-iii.mp3 >>> ietf80-ch1-tue-morning-i.mp3 >>>=20 >>=20 >> I would propose a add on -=20 >>=20 >> a - for the first segment of the session=20 >> b - for the second, etc. >>=20 >> So, it might be >>=20 >> ietf80-ch1-mon-morning-i-a.mp3 >> ietf80-ch1-mon-morning-i-b.mp3 >> ietf80-ch1-mon-morning-i-c.mp3 >> ietf80-ch1-mon-afternoon-i-a.mp3 >=20 > Or -1 -2 -3, or whatever. I wouldn't mind, but also wouldn't require it > if it means that some script will have to be rewritten, with the outcome > that we won't get the essential changes in place for Prague... >=20 >=20 > Best, >=20 > Henrik >=20 >> That way, if the audio has a break or restart, it doesn't also break the n= aming convention.=20 >>=20 >> Regards >> Marshall >>=20 >>=20 >>> or alternatively, shorter: >>>=20 >>> ietf80-ch1-mon-am-i.mp3 >>> ietf80-ch1-mon-pm-i.mp3 >>> ietf80-ch1-mon-pm-ii.mp3 >>> ietf80-ch1-mon-pm-iii.mp3 >>> ietf80-ch1-tue-am-i.mp3 >>>=20 >>> etc. >>>=20 >>> The automatic appending of sequence numbers for re-started recordings >>> should work as it is with the schemes above. >>>=20 >>> The naming schema above seems to be close to what's currently in use, >>> but I'm not sure the current schema is quite as regular as the proposed.= >>> Also, in the current schema I always get a bit confused by seeing 'noon'= , >>> which I guess is an abbreviation for afternoon, but it makes me think >>> of something related to 12 o'clock -- maybe the extra Thursday lectures.= .. >>>=20 >>> However, it is still the people who manage the audio recordings who will= >>> have to split and name the recordings to match the above; and they shoul= d >>> have the last word on whether this is feasible and makes sense. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Best, >>>=20 >>> Henrik >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From joelja@bogus.com Tue Nov 30 14:43:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3EE3A6C35; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:43:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xpphy26tIe5b; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B83B3A6B28; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.20.14.36] ([67.139.65.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAUMiJkC015156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:44:21 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) References: <4CE2CC11.3000206@bell-labs.com> <4CE2CE0F.7020604@bell-labs.com> <4CECDB59.4020509@cisco.com> <34AC4C9D87A14575A7D4FA6471F9C96E@23FX1C1> <4CED410A.9080107@att.com> <4CF202E4.8040405@bogus.com> <4CF506EC.4020909@levkowetz.com> <4CF52B97.10502@levkowetz.com> <4CF534BB.6000803@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4CF534BB.6000803@att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8C148) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <31DE3B0B-BA2B-4F62-8321-1175D61C907F@bogus.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8C148) From: Joel Jaeggli Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:45:52 -0800 To: Tony Hansen Cc: "wgchairs@ietf.org" , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Audio from IETF-79? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:43:15 -0000 Joel's widget number 2 On Nov 30, 2010, at 9:30, Tony Hansen wrote: > On 11/30/2010 11:51 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> ... or alternatively, shorter: >>=20 >> ietf80-ch1-mon-am-i.mp3 >> ietf80-ch1-mon-pm-i.mp3 >> ietf80-ch1-mon-pm-ii.mp3 >> ietf80-ch1-mon-pm-iii.mp3 >> ietf80-ch1-tue-am-i.mp3 >>=20 >> etc. >>=20 >> The automatic appending of sequence numbers for re-started recordings >> should work as it is with the schemes above. >>=20 >> The naming schema above seems to be close to what's currently in use, >> but I'm not sure the current schema is quite as regular as the proposed. >> Also, in the current schema I always get a bit confused by seeing 'noon',= >> which I guess is an abbreviation for afternoon, but it makes me think >> of something related to 12 o'clock -- maybe the extra Thursday lectures..= . > > However, it is still the people who manage the audio recordings who will= > > have to split and name the recordings to match the above; and they shoul= d > > have the last word on whether this is feasible and makes sense. >=20 > The current names also use afnoon, plenary, plenary-iab-technical, noon2, n= oon3 and a plethora of other variations that seemed to be at the whim of the= person in the audio lab. That would mostly be me, and yes, I'm assuredly mad. > Regularizing the name scheme would be useful. >=20 > Tony Hansen >=20 From tony@att.com Tue Nov 30 16:27:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2883A6BCD; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:27:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.472 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.472 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.127, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cDCjuNJXUdVY; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail121.messagelabs.com (mail121.messagelabs.com [216.82.242.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE313A6C02; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:27:24 -0800 (PST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-121.messagelabs.com!1291163316!34600661!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 5848 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2010 00:28:36 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-8.tower-121.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 1 Dec 2010 00:28:36 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oB10Stif009829; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:28:55 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oB10SqkH009799; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:28:52 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oB10SXRj012689; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:28:33 -0500 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oB10SRbF012525; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:28:28 -0500 Received: from [135.70.149.38] (vpn-135-70-149-38.vpn.mwst.att.com[135.70.149.38]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20101201002827gw1004lk91e> (Authid: tony); Wed, 1 Dec 2010 00:28:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.149.38] Message-ID: <4CF596AB.4060705@att.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:28:27 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "wgchairs@ietf.org" , Tools Team Discussion References: <4CE2CC11.3000206@bell-labs.com> <4CE2CE0F.7020604@bell-labs.com> <4CECDB59.4020509@cisco.com> <34AC4C9D87A14575A7D4FA6471F9C96E@23FX1C1> <4CED410A.9080107@att.com> <4CF202E4.8040405@bogus.com> <4CF506EC.4020909@levkowetz.com> <4CF52B97.10502@levkowetz.com> <4CF534BB.6000803@att.com> <31DE3B0B-BA2B-4F62-8321-1175D61C907F@bogus.com> In-Reply-To: <31DE3B0B-BA2B-4F62-8321-1175D61C907F@bogus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Audio from IETF-79? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 00:27:26 -0000 On 11/30/2010 5:45 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: >> The current names also use afnoon, plenary, plenary-iab-technical, noon2, noon3 and a plethora of other variations that seemed to be at the whim of the person in the audio lab. > That would mostly be me, and yes, I'm assuredly mad. But still loved and appreciated by all! Tony Hansen