From nobody Mon Sep 7 13:00:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D400F1B56AB for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2015 13:00:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.15 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.15 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5W9_VgiCUvHv for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2015 13:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55ED31B56AA for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2015 13:00:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::b]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t87K0ct1000670 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2015 22:00:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alma.local (p5DCCDB06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.204.219.6]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3n90pZ3JTNz4tX1; Mon, 7 Sep 2015 22:00:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <55EDECE4.5020302@tzi.org> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2015 22:00:36 +0200 From: Carsten Bormann User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.4 (Macintosh/20150825) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Gitlab? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2015 20:00:46 -0000 Again, there is some rebellion among the CoRE authors about us using an SVN-based repo for WG work. Of course, github is great, but it means that issue tracking and the discussion threads on these issues are kept outside the control of the IETF. Has there been any endeavor to set up a Gitlab instance for the IETF? Many enlightened organizations in the German academics space now have one. (And, no, you don't have to use the for-money version; the "community edition" is just right.) Grüße, Carsten From nobody Mon Sep 7 13:28:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3BE81B36E5 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2015 13:28:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KvwZIrdHjmd1 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2015 13:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x230.google.com (mail-pa0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D6D21B328D for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2015 13:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by padhy16 with SMTP id hy16so101842222pad.1 for ; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 13:28:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FQ3OSdRzh0VRXX7Q6XK7QVclOkGCML0u5Kz5jZifJ9k=; b=PYrghE/b2yUj+Hc8zYUBc1YCRRzPye3tptxSARrx2cVzh4miICH15RZ23Yt6miqGTS bwWP8W1+IVN5DvZyWFET+hj6U/8oZenwzVcjh1Z2tI4u09OvhyCfXQsoE1Uf5M9tAL5R qOvjRlTqnPmmryueWvBc822C77/diZxrqq2nhR0q03v7cCQXLtkKa35WFTxfBMi02vvZ wWDEeWcYgjiyc+daCXh8r4vwGT+peUPgGHDBQmHDwnJOk7ND9n6gF4Lkeq+4nriUnnEH RInJ0KAFTTq0EE/Ffe/rAXy1lYSs9LifYtpsSo9E7keUHBBJZP9gJnx23F1xVz9MNMfC MdUg== X-Received: by 10.67.14.100 with SMTP id ff4mr40470901pad.137.1441657734134; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 13:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.25] (118.229.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz. [111.69.229.118]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t5sm755217pde.34.2015.09.07.13.28.51 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 07 Sep 2015 13:28:52 -0700 (PDT) To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <55EDECE4.5020302@tzi.org> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <55EDF383.6010209@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 08:28:51 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55EDECE4.5020302@tzi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Gitlab? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2015 20:28:56 -0000 On 08/09/2015 08:00, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Again, there is some rebellion among the CoRE authors about us using an= > SVN-based repo for WG work. >=20 > Of course, github is great, but it means that issue tracking and the > discussion threads on these issues are kept outside the control of the = IETF. If you're running a repo for IETF work, I think you need to cite the IETF= Note Well in the readme. I included the following line: This repository is for an IETF effort and falls under IETF rules: see htt= p://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html >=20 > Has there been any endeavor to set up a Gitlab instance for the IETF? > Many enlightened organizations in the German academics space now have > one. (And, no, you don't have to use the for-money version; the > "community edition" is just right.) Agreed, that would be helpful. Brian >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 From nobody Tue Sep 8 09:21:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1211B4102 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 09:21:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hiOAON5p3SH6 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 09:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32CED1AD190 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 09:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F335BE83 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 17:21:44 +0100 (IST) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bNQXmcW7T2it for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 17:21:43 +0100 (IST) Received: from [134.226.36.180] (stephen-think.dsg.cs.tcd.ie [134.226.36.180]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D7E20BE3E for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 17:21:43 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1441729303; bh=4fiXqjrZpOG4hVBd120F3kEaZ9xMMLZpyf0OcEVRpCU=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=hmsGNN5x7NhVpEwMT7FMm+xKVnIPtJ9685I+AKo63xAukVXhUKFXr9sdkM6u2HXli pUDebv0jLdn+qW5ZLNUv+/4GBfx56v2xZGVYrutIqnIwqDSIZQS8HhaP69TJAvtrvO c3qhoV1wOlJJSnnSzDU8ifLq7CDKfXWQjp9ItimE= To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <55EF0B17.4050503@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 17:21:43 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] RFC status change and history X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 16:21:46 -0000 Folks, This is probably a lesser exercised thing so likely just a URL tweak, but the diff feature on the history tab for this status change [1] gives an error. Any ideas? Thanks, S. [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-rfc1984-to-best-current-practice/history/ From nobody Tue Sep 8 09:26:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D171B33C5 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 09:26:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5CRzeHvkBdJd for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 09:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37FB91B3339 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 09:26:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.201.11]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t88GQ9tg021929; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 18:26:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alma.local (eduroam-pool7-0089.wlan.uni-bremen.de [134.102.112.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3n9X0d0Q6vzDYK8; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 18:26:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <55EF0C20.5000109@tzi.org> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 18:26:08 +0200 From: Carsten Bormann User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.4 (Macintosh/20150825) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Farrell References: <55EF0B17.4050503@cs.tcd.ie> In-Reply-To: <55EF0B17.4050503@cs.tcd.ie> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] RFC status change and history X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 16:26:23 -0000 Should https://www.ietf.org/sc/status-change-rfc1984-to-best-current-practice-00.txt (linked from the below) work? It doesn't, either, which may be a reason for the problem. Grüße, Carsten Stephen Farrell wrote: > Folks, > > This is probably a lesser exercised thing so likely just > a URL tweak, but the diff feature on the history tab for > this status change [1] gives an error. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > S. > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-rfc1984-to-best-current-practice/history/ > From nobody Tue Sep 8 09:35:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB391B3B20 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 09:35:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wp371zIFGEyv for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 09:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EDCA1B3819 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 09:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55637BE83; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 17:35:25 +0100 (IST) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SkQvLk0U5CvY; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 17:35:25 +0100 (IST) Received: from [134.226.36.180] (stephen-think.dsg.cs.tcd.ie [134.226.36.180]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2674FBE3E; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 17:35:25 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1441730125; bh=kdWAegORjXy81AonyV6OXq3RLOiHJszzC3GZraGR84o=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Gg7XRysfb3vXXMbJ2Y9NCVjnGgM3HdP4EoR2cC/mAaa+bgSvdqKIyO2M7YGCjadAz 6Jbjfa6GULnr1jBjvODN2wLnXIn3Y3t4Q4UhioYRhFJC1g79fwanTbn0/NfD+cBqVF xOvkC/wpkGCl1jO2JRNr7wyK24HJ95jMKNlYAsD8= To: Carsten Bormann References: <55EF0B17.4050503@cs.tcd.ie> <55EF0C20.5000109@tzi.org> From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <55EF0E4D.7090304@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 17:35:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55EF0C20.5000109@tzi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] RFC status change and history X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 16:35:58 -0000 Yeah that's what I thought too, but I forget if the "/sc/" thing should work or is a bad URL S On 08/09/15 17:26, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Should > > https://www.ietf.org/sc/status-change-rfc1984-to-best-current-practice-00.txt > > (linked from the below) work? It doesn't, either, which may be a reason > for the problem. > > Grüße, Carsten > > > Stephen Farrell wrote: >> Folks, >> >> This is probably a lesser exercised thing so likely just >> a URL tweak, but the diff feature on the history tab for >> this status change [1] gives an error. Any ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> S. >> >> [1] >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-rfc1984-to-best-current-practice/history/ >> > From nobody Tue Sep 15 14:31:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB011B2A65 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:31:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cIA7SZ2ct2DP for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69A951B2A78 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t8FLV8IR024163 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:31:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <55EF0B17.4050503@cs.tcd.ie> <55EF0C20.5000109@tzi.org> <55EF0E4D.7090304@cs.tcd.ie> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <55F88E17.7030107@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:31:03 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55EF0E4D.7090304@cs.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] RFC status change and history X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 21:31:11 -0000 This should be fixed now. Sorry for the delay. RjS On 9/8/15 11:35 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > Yeah that's what I thought too, but I forget if the "/sc/" thing > should work or is a bad URL > > S > > On 08/09/15 17:26, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> Should >> >> https://www.ietf.org/sc/status-change-rfc1984-to-best-current-practice-00.txt >> >> (linked from the below) work? It doesn't, either, which may be a reason >> for the problem. >> >> Grüße, Carsten >> >> >> Stephen Farrell wrote: >>> Folks, >>> >>> This is probably a lesser exercised thing so likely just >>> a URL tweak, but the diff feature on the history tab for >>> this status change [1] gives an error. Any ideas? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> S. >>> >>> [1] >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-rfc1984-to-best-current-practice/history/ >>> From nobody Mon Sep 21 08:12:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2291B32AD; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 08:12:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_31=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XlDEwL-QZewz; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 08:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx143.netapp.com (mx143.netapp.com [216.240.21.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDC831B32AA; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 08:12:05 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,568,1437462000"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="67832596" Received: from hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.122.105.40]) by mx143-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 21 Sep 2015 08:11:05 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.40) by hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.40) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 08:11:05 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([::1]) by hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com ([fe80::956:7791:3585:29f2%21]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 08:11:05 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Session tool locked Thread-Index: AQHQ9H+7HI0MOZEegUa7X7XzKKAOpg== Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:11:04 +0000 Message-ID: <6B8DCA05-3008-4DA0-9F9E-ADD4E2D04E5C@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.122.56.79] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3763FCF9-D3A2-42FE-ABBD-F724ECA71106"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "iesg@ietf.org" Subject: [Tools-discuss] Session tool locked X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:12:07 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3763FCF9-D3A2-42FE-ABBD-F724ECA71106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, going to https://datatracker.ietf.org/secr/sreq/ right now shows: > The Session Request Tool is currently locked. It will be unlocked on = October 2, 2015 when the Preliminary Agenda is published. I can see that maybe we don;t want to have people add or remove requests = now, but it would be nice if we could still update the conflict lists... Lars --Apple-Mail=_3763FCF9-D3A2-42FE-ABBD-F724ECA71106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBVgAeB9ZcnpRveo1xAQhvBwP6A7wYMgko2L51DGe3sKs1uDMCmX2dEQK1 EU7pgtmywrh6V53fi9jae31NLMOqVlQgKMsRFHuAJ6Mk1Pd0bFiu019ZbAB0ftT9 Rw6eM6b7eWh36AsqI+5VwlKJ58P/GcklJxkL5C52B3vvwsOd/C201YGw5xeXcHba 20CpFUdtB7Y= =SblF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_3763FCF9-D3A2-42FE-ABBD-F724ECA71106-- From joeinwap@gmail.com Thu Sep 24 00:08:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C2F1A1A03 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 00:08:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fav5HZMsc_y8 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 00:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com (mail-wi0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 560FB1A0122 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 00:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicge5 with SMTP id ge5so238432670wic.0 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 00:08:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MKZP1peVUB/M0sgHApheDdvBmNrcPUHu8FW8b9DR6PE=; b=PRLZn8B6f+3fqC4IXSZmMqzsLWvLJ4yE/BGSVEQ1oW8sVjWDqFuo0N+u/v/7rrsUsu GUS1Mur249nId99mo/9CjxHx4mMwpBtnCoTF7q8FXoHG25ymyKMSOsCQ3wTohWwNBV6l wCbgfLuLWsUvALky//+qlXARrKIrPX30kZMM2eG+j4R9pR41mJSDgLYKp/ulJ49PKXdU DCmoQb0vdivBHUT1mhE//kn96TdGWijXqs060RMyu9Xkl9aKwTes80vPPeqctBkJ/e1y 8XGOf5aUF2BdWpS9GwdQTUGB9s3D94CZ1xvnDE8YGSCqfWrsu1436z8JQQu+RhqDneDU RGHA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.103.130 with SMTP id fw2mr45423160wjb.121.1443078483879; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 00:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.184.112 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 00:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 00:08:03 -0700 Message-ID: From: Joe Smith To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0102ef546a37b6052078e4fd Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 03:23:49 -0700 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Rfcmarkup-1.115 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 07:12:12 -0000 --089e0102ef546a37b6052078e4fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Bug found while following a link from Wikipedia. 1. Go to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1123#section-4.2.3.1 2. View Source. 3. Search for "section-4.2.3.1". 4. Notice only one occurrence (in TOC): '4.2.3.1'. 5. Search for "4.2.3.1". 6. Third occurrence is "4.2.3.1 Sorcerer's Apprentice Syndrome", but there is no for it. In the Table of Contents, links to pages work, but links to sections don't. I'm OK with having only links to page numbers in the TOC, but rfcmarkup should not be be generating an internal href that does not have a corresponding name/id. -Joe --089e0102ef546a37b6052078e4fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bug found while f= ollowing a link from Wikipedia.

1. Go to=C2= =A0https://= tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1123#section-4.2.3.1
2. View Source.
3. Search for "section-4.2.3.1".
<= font face=3D"monospace, monospace">4. Notice only one=C2=A0occurrence=C2=A0= (in TOC): '<a href=3D"#section-4.2.3.1"= >4.2.3.1</a>'.=
5. Search for "4.2.3.1".=
6. Third occurrence is "4.2.3.1 Sorcerer's= Apprentice Syndrome", but there is no <a name=3D"section-4.2.3.1" id=3D"section-4.2.3.1"> for it.

In the Table of Contents, links to pages work, but lin= ks to sections don't.

I'm OK wi= th having only links to page numbers in the TOC, but rfcmarkup should not b= e be generating an internal href that does not have a corresponding name/id= .

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -Joe
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--089e0102ef546a37b6052078e4fd-- From nobody Fri Sep 25 03:24:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E0A1B3451 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 12:06:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6BPH8xk01rfg for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 12:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.nohats.ca (mx.nohats.ca [193.110.157.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED0461B343A for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3nKZxG2sJXz27N; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 21:06:10 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: mx.nohats.ca; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nohats.ca header.i=@nohats.ca header.b=tR0ktFcU X-OPENPGPKEY: Message passed unmodified X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mx.nohats.ca Received: from mx.nohats.ca ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v1fDkjtNIzqG; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 21:06:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bofh.nohats.ca (206-248-139-105.dsl.teksavvy.com [206.248.139.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 21:06:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bofh.nohats.ca (bofh.nohats.ca [127.0.0.1]) by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CB2800B0; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:06:03 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nohats.ca; s=default; t=1442862363; bh=ipl1DFWqCjgsZ2/U4lgRz4Sb/XRTUclN1SyVNLilayc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject; b=tR0ktFcU3/AqXxBRc/a2AqvTZw6iyS8LaqjP0uJrucjMDd7N2au4pNcCvoA1X8wVB DA9UrRTXMtYorohqr4Amn5GaR/Sk+TeCz/C4lnFvGGiTmDZax+ep60lwn5WQyggAFJ t3WmkyErHYOMUX6g0kSfj/PoxmP+TNj1i1Z5e2mA= Received: from localhost (paul@localhost) by bofh.nohats.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8LJ63Nn000890; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:06:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: bofh.nohats.ca: paul owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:06:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (LFD 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 03:24:15 -0700 Cc: dane-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] missing newer draft versions in some of the older drafts X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 19:06:14 -0000 hi, I noticed a bug on the following page: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dane-openpgpkey-03 It lists the latest version as -04, but the latest version is really -05. If you go the the -04 version it does show -05, but the -00 upto -03 version do not show -05. I'm not sure if that is a problem with other drafts as well. Paul From nobody Fri Sep 25 03:24:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35DA1AD1FE for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:50:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7oawIaLGVXMA for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F2621AD1F5 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:50:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2366; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1442350218; x=1443559818; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=8wm8q4vPmLU2At0qx/M+Nuw37aVw+0RZDk9AaOqVgaw=; b=cju806jsKKjt6k686xiK2awwmROKn+xpmA9CvnMMhLLt5jrlzYvHHrJ/ uUV6bfK1ez9xJZKv8bKXYDnO4QmAaz20gU4UDrRgFkUdaorShE8SnHbZx EJywKR9WefSGgAiGeKJN4yuZS+bZ9bgDRKqUe+mzWo+PeFZW6Z26l6KiD M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AKBQAFhPhV/49dJa1dgyNUaQa9V4F5hXkegSg5EwEBAQEBAQF/C4QjAQEBAwEjETwODQEIGAICJgIEMBUSBBwLiBIIDaYaj2qUGwEBAQEBAQQBAQEBAQEBAQEBAReBIoVRgg+BaIEGgmeBWxgNC4MLL4EUBZVcAYUPh3MDghCYcyMDPYQBcQGJJIEFAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,536,1437436800"; d="scan'208";a="27305074" Received: from rcdn-core-7.cisco.com ([173.37.93.143]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Sep 2015 20:50:17 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com (xch-aln-001.cisco.com [173.36.7.11]) by rcdn-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t8FKoH5l010838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:50:17 GMT Received: from xch-aln-001.cisco.com (173.36.7.11) by XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com (173.36.7.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:50:16 -0500 Received: from xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com (173.36.12.78) by xch-aln-001.cisco.com (173.36.7.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:50:16 -0500 Received: from xmb-rcd-x10.cisco.com ([169.254.15.53]) by xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com ([173.36.12.78]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:50:16 -0500 From: "Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)" To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Gitlab? Thread-Index: AQHQ7/gfF0/U2oWznk+oYyOuL6SAQQ== Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:50:15 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/0.0.0.150807 x-originating-ip: [173.37.102.27] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <388674F26156CB4F8C89D84557734370@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 03:24:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Gitlab? 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Fri, 25 Sep 2015 03:29:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 93xboHvTfnka for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 03:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D74541A8A0D for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 03:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]:41020 helo=vigonier.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1ZfQFx-0002YR-TT; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 03:29:34 -0700 To: Joe Smith , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <5605220B.6050406@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:29:31 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fvoWcbPtoVaPMhmJPRCeBC4DtwbIuTdMh" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: henrik-sent@levkowetz.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, joeinwap@gmail.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Rfcmarkup-1.115 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 10:29:36 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --fvoWcbPtoVaPMhmJPRCeBC4DtwbIuTdMh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Joe, On 2015-09-24 09:08, Joe Smith wrote: > Bug found while following a link from Wikipedia. >=20 > 1. Go to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1123#section-4.2.3.1 > 2. View Source. > 3. Search for "section-4.2.3.1". > 4. Notice only one occurrence (in TOC): ' ">4.2.3.1'. > 5. Search for "4.2.3.1". > 6. Third occurrence is "4.2.3.1 Sorcerer's Apprentice Syndrome", but th= ere > is no for it. >=20 > In the Table of Contents, links to pages work, but links to sections do= n't. >=20 > I'm OK with having only links to page numbers in the TOC, but rfcmarkup= > should not be be generating an internal href that does not have a > corresponding name/id. Yes, the automatic htmlization script fails for this RFC. The formatting= it uses diverges substantially from current RFCs with respect to indentat= ion of sub-sections, and I have a feeling I've tried to accommodate this styl= e before, but have found that it breaks conversion of other RFCs, inserting= section anchors in places they don't belong. If I can find the time, I'l= l try to improve things, though. Thanks for the report! 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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:39:43 -0000 On 15 September 2015 at 13:50, Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr) wrote: > Having yet another complicated server to keep up to date and secure sounds expensive in the medium term, and I want to make sure we justify the need adequately. I'm going to take a stronger position than Joe. Running your own server is wasteful. You don't need that here; a distributed version control system means that you aren't truly beholden to github, because the service they provide is largely limited to convenience. There is one exception to that: issues. I have a tool that downloads them, but they aren't especially accessible in the form that that produces. Joe, I think that your contacts might be better pressed into converting issues into a git repository/branch. Then we will have a proper distributed store of all the critical information. I've looked several times, but I couldn't find where to register the request. From nobody Fri Sep 25 11:13:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C741A1A94 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:12:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -13.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-13.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, J_CHICKENPOX_52=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_72=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WQr5ucWH88Y4 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E54B1A1A7D for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:12:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1868; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1443204777; x=1444414377; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=Ox49mcv3niRqUCDowd4u0txKHRzokCmkfsYlc9Os8Qw=; b=iHLJqYVz3UEnAsHfQhiQFGBjpP9fqzebz5R2gssgHCKVgj+HynP+iBFB VSMsIa8Z0w5Ppjoh8YIfJOUAn7o4+/CyBmYJPT5UL+R+ypbypM5KNHzo8 UBa11HoPtv/wLutcorkXA7s2mBgYi0FNpk424YiX1xUU3nIRqDnYjZ2W8 Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BEBQADjgVW/5JdJa1dgyRUaQaDJLobgXOGAQIcgRA5EwEBAQEBAQGBCoQlAQEEIxE8CRACAQgYAgImAgICHxEVEAIEDgWIGQMSuBiPHA2FAAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAReBIoVRgg+CboJQgWQOGDMHgmkvgRQFlWwBhROGCoFvgU9GkVaDVoNtIgFAhAFxh1lDgQUBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,588,1437436800"; d="scan'208";a="35547967" Received: from rcdn-core-10.cisco.com ([173.37.93.146]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Sep 2015 18:12:56 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com (xch-aln-001.cisco.com [173.36.7.11]) by rcdn-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t8PICu3X012391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Sep 2015 18:12:56 GMT Received: from xch-aln-001.cisco.com (173.36.7.11) by XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com (173.36.7.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 13:12:55 -0500 Received: from xhc-rcd-x13.cisco.com (173.37.183.87) by xch-aln-001.cisco.com (173.36.7.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 13:12:55 -0500 Received: from xmb-rcd-x10.cisco.com ([169.254.15.206]) by xhc-rcd-x13.cisco.com ([173.37.183.87]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 13:12:55 -0500 From: "Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)" To: Martin Thomson Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Gitlab? Thread-Index: AQHQ7/gfF0/U2oWznk+oYyOuL6SAQZ5N5jAA///GOwA= Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 18:12:54 +0000 Message-ID: <20CC297A-7400-4D24-A815-0EDE2AA45697@cisco.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/0.0.0.150923 x-originating-ip: [173.37.102.21] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Gitlab? 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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 18:13:37 -0000 > I'm going to take a stronger position than Joe. Running your own > server is wasteful. You don't need that here; a distributed version > control system means that you aren't truly beholden to github, because > the service they provide is largely limited to convenience. Elephant in the room: I'd like to understand how the subpoena process works in a distributed system like this. Grüße, Carsten From nobody Fri Sep 25 12:18:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058F11A8900 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:18:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_52=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_72=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fu9ra_0FzaP6 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yk0-x231.google.com (mail-yk0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 787C81A88FF for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ykdz138 with SMTP id z138so124192476ykd.2 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:18:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0gXjE3eCtfdLQXBbvZQMmAZOOvPLfutdHvqhFqZMqqw=; b=faekT88sIJoxH4WX44gLXAt33PARclxF9SSLUE0qdngdPkX5FxRgAxVsYUcTaU4ui4 QRQrVPN1FKShHzAvUXNAroVqMyDwQjxATPC/zSbUjwN8WZzUoQ3snJCzpqtRxr9b5aWc C+sbv1qOfeqLMo0wD+R7t5/FTlWlFhcdPqzptoJssUpGn3TikTXdPqTt5sJQW7t/Guxb zabU7q6br+GpUVtaztytOQPCV2Qv40tTcLMmiSQAg+c4v9mydvj//B1k2Dg5OifTnvlE fU5SbvNsyjD0+ZlO7Vbx7CyeoSpdpSa7IDZKgjwyoFPC9uLu2NXkj9vI/rZHwO1YZHr3 hbNg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.13.210.5 with SMTP id u5mr6565233ywd.154.1443208690813; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.129.133.130 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.129.133.130 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:18:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20CC297A-7400-4D24-A815-0EDE2AA45697@cisco.com> References: <20CC297A-7400-4D24-A815-0EDE2AA45697@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:18:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: Martin Thomson To: Joe Hildebrand Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114e4e8a5a521705209735bb Archived-At: Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Gitlab? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 19:18:13 -0000 --001a114e4e8a5a521705209735bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I don't think that we need to prescribe a specific design, but something like that might work. On Sep 25, 2015 11:12 AM, "Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)" wrote: > I assume you want each issue to be stored as a directory, with a file for > the issue and a file for each comment, on a gh-issues branch? > > gh-issues/ > issue-0/ > issue.md > comment-0/ > comment.md > comment-1/ > Comment.md > > Etc. (note the nested comments) > > -- > Joe Hildebrand > > > > > > > > On 9/25/15, 1:39 PM, "Martin Thomson" wrote: > > >On 15 September 2015 at 13:50, Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr) > > wrote: > >> Having yet another complicated server to keep up to date and secure > sounds expensive in the medium term, and I want to make sure we justify the > need adequately. > > > >I'm going to take a stronger position than Joe. Running your own > >server is wasteful. You don't need that here; a distributed version > >control system means that you aren't truly beholden to github, because > >the service they provide is largely limited to convenience. > > > >There is one exception to that: issues. I have a tool that downloads > >them, but they aren't especially accessible in the form that that > >produces. > > > >Joe, I think that your contacts might be better pressed into > >converting issues into a git repository/branch. Then we will have a > >proper distributed store of all the critical information. I've looked > >several times, but I couldn't find where to register the request. > --001a114e4e8a5a521705209735bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think that we need to prescribe a specific desig= n, but something like that might work.

On Sep 25, 2015 11:12 AM, "Joe Hildebrand (= jhildebr)" <jhildebr@cisco.co= m> wrote:
I a= ssume you want each issue to be stored as a directory, with a file for the = issue and a file for each comment, on a gh-issues branch?

gh-issues/
=C2=A0 issue-0/
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 issue.md
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 comment-0/
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 comment.md
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 comment-1/
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Comment.md

Etc. (note the nested comments)

--
Joe Hildebrand







On 9/25/15, 1:39 PM, "Martin Thomson" <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 15 September 2015 at 13:50, Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
><jhildebr@cisco.com> wr= ote:
>> Having yet another complicated server to keep up to date and secur= e sounds expensive in the medium term, and I want to make sure we justify t= he need adequately.
>
>I'm going to take a stronger position than Joe.=C2=A0 Running your = own
>server is wasteful.=C2=A0 You don't need that here; a distributed v= ersion
>control system means that you aren't truly beholden to github, beca= use
>the service they provide is largely limited to convenience.
>
>There is one exception to that: issues.=C2=A0 I have a tool that downlo= ads
>them, but they aren't especially accessible in the form that that >produces.
>
>Joe, I think that your contacts might be better pressed into
>converting issues into a git repository/branch.=C2=A0 Then we will have= a
>proper distributed store of all the critical information.=C2=A0 I'v= e looked
>several times, but I couldn't find where to register the request.
--001a114e4e8a5a521705209735bb-- From nobody Fri Sep 25 12:20:02 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0151A88FF for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:20:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -13.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-13.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, J_CHICKENPOX_52=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_72=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2oyhpHlMOo6h for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25F381A8905 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:20:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2596; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1443208801; x=1444418401; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=SwZPnT34/Tkr7iBcqJqaHylh9rN2btujqJjwI0B+g70=; b=Wzi+/gSvJ/6LIwu5I2S6LKq6KX73RUocqXW7UafATvQ8k37+2elD1KRe 9gWfm5HjXizYh90FrOq+HXGH3t34f0uI03QgkcaTP66RZX8wO+tUAcI+A 8z384lcThZo5xJJ0QSmboJyW3gNlVa38DnuWnhuM3NQ17xNKKHP47VmiC 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BEBQBonQVW/5NdJa1dgyRUaQaDJLocgXOGAQIcgRA5EwEBAQEBAQGBCoQlAQEEIxE8CRACAQgYAgImAgICHxEVEAIEDgWIGQMSuAOPEA2FAAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAReBIoVRgg+CboJQgWQOGA0LGweCaS+BFAWVbAGFE4YKgW+BT0aRVoNWg20jAz2EAXGHWUOBBQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,588,1437436800"; d="scan'208";a="35870489" Received: from rcdn-core-11.cisco.com ([173.37.93.147]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 25 Sep 2015 19:20:00 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-013.cisco.com (xch-aln-013.cisco.com [173.36.7.23]) by rcdn-core-11.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t8PJJxgb027791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Sep 2015 19:19:59 GMT Received: from xch-aln-013.cisco.com (173.36.7.23) by XCH-ALN-013.cisco.com (173.36.7.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 14:19:58 -0500 Received: from xhc-rcd-x02.cisco.com (173.37.183.76) by xch-aln-013.cisco.com (173.36.7.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 14:19:58 -0500 Received: from xmb-rcd-x10.cisco.com ([169.254.15.206]) by xhc-rcd-x02.cisco.com ([173.37.183.76]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 14:19:58 -0500 From: "Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)" To: Martin Thomson Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Gitlab? 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h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=k5Lovmt9zYFc9ZvgQNMEc0+q+uGIfDecL2y6+7fcgfg=; b=WN4coTacmSOFzVmkzSxO/799/T4TO8+eZXHCXbCDgzptKeochYEkuUNLKmiX28VMnb y1elo1S9jFYQHkj7/xqSILKTbEI67D9uYDBVYyTCGJWnFn+zmV360TE4Ffp18vWv4Mzp U2ieREvXm/n1q4MS6tGtVhQNoUXduZWxeQlwtyRdWjr7kCSItmOlnGc5a/A54znfqrgT SCZCmb7Pzbt/A8ezA6KBqAFa0LRoXjqWar2o/W9B0r/Ws3bMwv1qIs064OZSaZgeV4oR e3hqFHmLp64LIxKAD2h33cuFOa+NgM1hFcS35Sr726cRcZ67GzUqa/OCKYOka8tog9l5 MsjQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.129.103.67 with SMTP id b64mr6258350ywc.55.1443208996663; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.129.133.130 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.129.133.130 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:23:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <56058EC6.7080005@tzi.org> References: <56058EC6.7080005@tzi.org> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:23:16 -0700 Message-ID: From: Martin Thomson To: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114908269538c60520974731 Archived-At: Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Gitlab? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 19:23:19 -0000 --001a114908269538c60520974731 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sep 25, 2015 11:13 AM, "Carsten Bormann" wrote: > Elephant in the room: I'd like to understand how the subpoena process > works in a distributed system like this. If you think that that is an important use case to support, it is trivial to create a copy for the purposes of being a subpoena target. Much easier than maintaining a copy that is required to support the whole experience. Also, as I think more about this, installing a dedicated server would have more negative consequences than mere waste. You also lose access to the Github community, which would be a big loss in my experience. --001a114908269538c60520974731 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8


On Sep 25, 2015 11:13 AM, "Carsten Bormann" <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> Elephant in the room: I'd like to understand how the subpoena process
> works in a distributed system like this.

If you think that that is an important use case to support, it is trivial to create a copy for the purposes of being a subpoena target. Much easier than maintaining a copy that is required to support the whole experience.

Also, as I think more about this, installing a dedicated server would have more negative consequences than mere waste. You also lose access to the Github community, which would be a big loss in my experience.

--001a114908269538c60520974731-- From nobody Fri Sep 25 12:24:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5768D1A8913 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:24:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_52=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_72=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zn-skYKB7ziy for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yk0-x231.google.com (mail-yk0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B19CB1A890E for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ykdg206 with SMTP id g206so122755004ykd.1 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:24:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=l/57atzHsWmbPEyNljm+F/RuTJtkagvc8evg/v5EIHc=; b=P2jFiWL9yMHnf9ypboE5p0Lxa1Goom03VY3uiNkAvbLByauRl33N+u97WtTv/ZoS+7 cjuxIfVK3Ahy/TugxFofW5w4GocPAMFszy84UUEt1q2nwWE9V57ZpdzzmR4b6flYrR0G gLmnxaNwRO0N3bl5ITFpBKVvE9uZq8yQz7Yv1wrPCEOmNmPjfVfz2CCM+4NdIhkLIEzm tg0fE7YfiV30az2yCwOmq1Kl2pWa+XiWIjz1ncswksyI9NpeyJhpmdT6IrqhI+F7NLUn xf5cIsxYcrYMavJujEb5AaI9xZ9L/2xitq33KfXaFasL64Ut3j6TtFTKpVqQ9qdAoghq TDUw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.129.145.214 with SMTP id i205mr6203347ywg.64.1443209054100; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.129.133.130 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.129.133.130 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:24:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <01BCFF15-67D7-4696-AD4A-7C3AFAB8BC46@cisco.com> References: <20CC297A-7400-4D24-A815-0EDE2AA45697@cisco.com> <01BCFF15-67D7-4696-AD4A-7C3AFAB8BC46@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:24:14 -0700 Message-ID: From: Martin Thomson To: Joe Hildebrand Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0941c201a3c10520974b89 Archived-At: Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Gitlab? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 19:24:16 -0000 --94eb2c0941c201a3c10520974b89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I didn't think of that, it is an interesting idea. On Sep 25, 2015 12:19 PM, "Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)" wrote: > Understood. I wanted to have a way to describe our requirements in > concrete terms. Also, we may be able to prototype this using their > webhooks API. > > -- > Joe Hildebrand > > > > > > > On 9/25/15, 3:18 PM, "Martin Thomson" wrote: > > >I don't think that we need to prescribe a specific design, but something > like that might work. > >On Sep 25, 2015 11:12 AM, "Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)" > wrote: > > > >I assume you want each issue to be stored as a directory, with a file for > the issue and a file for each comment, on a gh-issues branch? > > > >gh-issues/ > > issue-0/ > > issue.md > > comment-0/ > > comment.md > > comment-1/ > > Comment.md > > > >Etc. (note the nested comments) > > > >-- > >Joe Hildebrand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On 9/25/15, 1:39 PM, "Martin Thomson" wrote: > > > >>On 15 September 2015 at 13:50, Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr) > >> wrote: > >>> Having yet another complicated server to keep up to date and secure > sounds expensive in the medium term, and I want to make sure we justify the > need adequately. > >> > >>I'm going to take a stronger position than Joe. Running your own > >>server is wasteful. You don't need that here; a distributed version > >>control system means that you aren't truly beholden to github, because > >>the service they provide is largely limited to convenience. > >> > >>There is one exception to that: issues. I have a tool that downloads > >>them, but they aren't especially accessible in the form that that > >>produces. > >> > >>Joe, I think that your contacts might be better pressed into > >>converting issues into a git repository/branch. Then we will have a > >>proper distributed store of all the critical information. I've looked > >>several times, but I couldn't find where to register the request. > > > > > > > --94eb2c0941c201a3c10520974b89 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I didn't think of that, it is an interesting idea.

On Sep 25, 2015 12:19 PM, "Joe Hildebrand (= jhildebr)" <jhildebr@cisco.co= m> wrote:
Und= erstood.=C2=A0 I wanted to have a way to describe our requirements in concr= ete terms.=C2=A0 Also, we may be able to prototype this using their webhook= s API.

--
Joe Hildebrand






On 9/25/15, 3:18 PM, "Martin Thomson" <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:

>I don't think that we need to prescribe a specific design, but some= thing like that might work.
>On Sep 25, 2015 11:12 AM, "Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)" <jhildebr@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>I assume you want each issue to be stored as a directory, with a file f= or the issue and a file for each comment, on a gh-issues branch?
>
>gh-issues/
>=C2=A0 issue-0/
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 issue.md <http://issue.md>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 comment-0/
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 comment.md <http://comment.md>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 comment-1/
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Comment.md
>
>Etc. (note the nested comments)
>
>--
>Joe Hildebrand
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 9/25/15, 1:39 PM, "Martin Thomson" <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 15 September 2015 at 13:50, Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
>><jhildebr@cisco.com>= ; wrote:
>>> Having yet another complicated server to keep up to date and s= ecure sounds expensive in the medium term, and I want to make sure we justi= fy the need adequately.
>>
>>I'm going to take a stronger position than Joe.=C2=A0 Running y= our own
>>server is wasteful.=C2=A0 You don't need that here; a distribut= ed version
>>control system means that you aren't truly beholden to github, = because
>>the service they provide is largely limited to convenience.
>>
>>There is one exception to that: issues.=C2=A0 I have a tool that do= wnloads
>>them, but they aren't especially accessible in the form that th= at
>>produces.
>>
>>Joe, I think that your contacts might be better pressed into
>>converting issues into a git repository/branch.=C2=A0 Then we will = have a
>>proper distributed store of all the critical information.=C2=A0 I&#= 39;ve looked
>>several times, but I couldn't find where to register the reques= t.
>
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--94eb2c0941c201a3c10520974b89-- From nobody Fri Sep 25 15:48:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC311A90A9 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:48:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id miCVgL0hxgOR for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from che.mayfirst.org (che.mayfirst.org [209.234.253.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EBF1A907C for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fifthhorseman.net (unknown [70.42.157.91]) by che.mayfirst.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7C202F984; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 18:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fifthhorseman.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E8C2B1FF47; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 18:48:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor To: Martin Thomson , "Joe Hildebrand \(jhildebr\)" In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Notmuch/0.20.2 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.5.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 18:48:12 -0400 Message-ID: <87fv22nmj7.fsf@alice.fifthhorseman.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Gitlab? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 22:48:25 -0000 On Fri 2015-09-25 13:39:40 -0400, Martin Thomson wrote: > On 15 September 2015 at 13:50, Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr) > wrote: >> Having yet another complicated server to keep up to date and secure sounds expensive in the medium term, and I want to make sure we justify the need adequately. > > I'm going to take a stronger position than Joe. Running your own > server is wasteful. You don't need that here; a distributed version > control system means that you aren't truly beholden to github, because > the service they provide is largely limited to convenience. > > There is one exception to that: issues. I have a tool that downloads > them, but they aren't especially accessible in the form that that > produces. Have you taken a look at Joey Hess's github-backup ? https://github.com/joeyh/github-backup --dkg From nobody Fri Sep 25 15:56:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3211A90B3 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:56:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AeaUxtOUMt21 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yk0-x233.google.com (mail-yk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB2741A90F4 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ykdt18 with SMTP id t18so128879677ykd.3 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:56:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=loY6fFrADMMbfnu8ore7HywRLg2mhvbKb9qXcJZ9f+M=; b=yOSId+TE4TazriqGj7IK4UZ5xazlWpPypGRUtHlhGip3Mgrr6dMqZj0C2sUoVSODud t2dapJVynX42e/EFogDr1QpPqy2+TgOG+NdnkoFjE0NkC7RHzlB8c+/7VutLJ3lYW/3U 3EiVw0Gkao/zv0GZ7txcyanXo+tTMb/YiVKRp86/ZcsrImceeh65l15S/oeRNcugu8IE j5gVYnDc3KEEeYot7ul4sg4Dng9rFdwvhkHigmqru47lIAw5B9Mz5wOW5jh7uRMwLA5g vTnRc8VigfZ8Wry6H4tzlqsJIkuZz0/fWhnFbbToWPHNbizPOamUoPiRiVmUCg9ncgZo LMuA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.129.159.131 with SMTP id w125mr3580902ywg.56.1443221801269; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.129.133.130 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:56:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87fv22nmj7.fsf@alice.fifthhorseman.net> References: <87fv22nmj7.fsf@alice.fifthhorseman.net> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:56:41 -0700 Message-ID: From: Martin Thomson To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Gitlab? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 22:56:43 -0000 On 25 September 2015 at 15:48, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > Have you taken a look at Joey Hess's github-backup ? > > https://github.com/joeyh/github-backup I have now. It looks like exactly what was requested.