From nobody Mon Sep 3 16:51:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64CB130E57 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2018 16:51:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.934 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.934 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcastmailservice.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cq74STG4p5KS for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2018 16:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCDF9130E54 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2018 16:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.105]) by resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id wyAefHfwZhahowyd1fStOt; Mon, 03 Sep 2018 23:51:31 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcastmailservice.net; s=20180828_2048; t=1536018691; bh=XXeMF79OB77CpZyN9F7j0QXMPWiOQQ9yvrHcgKc5bHU=; h=Received:Received:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date: Message-ID; b=VlXTKaumvdZ4TyFzwL9L5xFTWyKjLQq9AfyXVsbr8EZz1nk8IbaIrxkNRmmkNn6au pL7Gw4Pypq72/yTO59c5QCpajHJyJMq+wWYMbLxqFnd0bIbz0ZB9kkmXFls7aGMUnG 6QbCwPIY/fldf94pOKw6+SF1aQd6auaRiIvqu+nWlG8nOZwAl0yCLDFHqt16viJE0Q 5eXaVB9YZ24KpdBeCaW+Od/tZ1LAlbwjZICkWKOJBs79AN4tXPdpG8P30+3ixGLfQQ g/r1a+ZOb+5oQfaZnUyC1PHalTMkrN0WrxwGiiipBG3KtScSqZYC1aZAsfhw/ZTxfT UzAoDJ57SQ4Ng== Received: from hobgoblin.ariadne.com ([IPv6:2601:192:4603:9471:222:fbff:fe91:d396]) by resomta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id wyczfUHlErfWZwyd0fhQme; Mon, 03 Sep 2018 23:51:30 +0000 Received: from hobgoblin.ariadne.com (hobgoblin.ariadne.com [127.0.0.1]) by hobgoblin.ariadne.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id w83NpUPk014607; Mon, 3 Sep 2018 19:51:30 -0400 Received: (from worley@localhost) by hobgoblin.ariadne.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id w83NpTB1014604; Mon, 3 Sep 2018 19:51:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: hobgoblin.ariadne.com: worley set sender to worley@alum.mit.edu using -f From: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) To: Ryan Cross Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <661D5031-AE35-439C-B8A8-4D2B2052937E@amsl.com> (rcross@amsl.com) Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2018 19:51:29 -0400 Message-ID: <875zzmywam.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfGuJgFcL5JSvnthY2aGCiqIaCgtxUL3Gr5+IeqqqEwrpQww3GjrxZGjKoS+5/71OI7+AMcrjkjRcMwkQkAYdiQmQU2fsAUk0iVxUGSRmqpnEEU5borQW uOeQ8a1g5gqnf/EA5zg+XvaO2OzazXTSOmSmeARkL5m8ntbEu/bgKWcYttvC2IEE64eF86ldx+P4oSNqiHNe+V7TLJJcwDoncQFlUqbxtiq3xOlUiegsAKbj faXLvVhEZZVq5z8tTr7817Gv+32d4nVjwJJi9sRhLUY= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] mail archive changes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2018 23:51:34 -0000 Ryan Cross writes: > This mode is for those who prefer the MHonArc interface for browsing a > list. You can enable / disable Static Mode via the settings menu at > the top right. I went and looked, and the fonts that mail archive uses are a lot better than they used to be, but for the life of me, I can't find "the settings menu at the top right". Even when I run the window out to full width, I only see "Help" and "Sign in". Dale From nobody Mon Sep 3 18:57:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146671286E3 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2018 18:57:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.879 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.879 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a4uoY8A-lkNG for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2018 18:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 753DA12785F for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2018 18:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.18.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w841uPhn039396 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2018 20:56:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.18.66] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <875zzmywam.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 20:56:21 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <875zzmywam.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] mail archive changes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 01:57:45 -0000 Dale - You won't see Settings until you log in. The credentials are the same as for the datatracker. RjS On 9/3/18 6:51 PM, Dale R. Worley wrote: > Ryan Cross writes: >> This mode is for those who prefer the MHonArc interface for browsing a >> list. You can enable / disable Static Mode via the settings menu at >> the top right. > I went and looked, and the fonts that mail archive uses are a lot better > than they used to be, but for the life of me, I can't find "the settings > menu at the top right". Even when I run the window out to full width, I > only see "Help" and "Sign in". > > Dale > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org From nobody Tue Sep 4 07:26:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51EC2130EED for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 07:26:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.021 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.021 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m3lq1gR2fkWI for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 07:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0DEF1277C8 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 07:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.18.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w84EQKKM063600 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 09:26:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.18.66] claimed to be unescapeable.local From: Robert Sparks To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <875zzmywam.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Message-ID: <082cd99c-aa8e-5693-2c71-746357af04ad@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 09:26:18 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] mail archive changes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 14:26:24 -0000 The ability to change that setting without logging in has been restored. RjS On 9/3/18 8:56 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > Dale - > > You won't see Settings until you log in. The credentials are the same > as for the datatracker. > > RjS > > > On 9/3/18 6:51 PM, Dale R. Worley wrote: >> Ryan Cross writes: >>> This mode is for those who prefer the MHonArc interface for browsing a >>> list.  You can enable / disable Static Mode via the settings menu at >>> the top right. >> I went and looked, and the fonts that mail archive uses are a lot better >> than they used to be, but for the life of me, I can't find "the settings >> menu at the top right".  Even when I run the window out to full width, I >> only see "Help" and "Sign in". >> >> Dale >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org >> bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb >> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >> >> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at >> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues >> or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > From nobody Tue Sep 4 19:15:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88ECA130DD7 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:15:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.685 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.685 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcastmailservice.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15tJz_Wpy3Nd for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01EE0126BED for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.114]) by resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id xMgpfJ9yyhahoxNLbfWIzo; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 02:15:11 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcastmailservice.net; s=20180828_2048; t=1536113711; bh=uo4WdUYBuO+cS0exOa7KVisnxH1BlxoqSaEVoWWfV44=; h=Received:Received:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date: Message-ID; b=gmrgmHjhiyj3NFG2d1jyJLeQC1AgRhDF2nxuQs7hgStHdbRSo5PafH1zsoFAdOIDS oxJaRwF3lH3nbH5jUzYR0MjIIexFv35FMF3nezTs5+ZwKnvfcGxVI7zpAJWQ6w3UZK VxGnTpxAbSOukCkmNfwPNyssbvm14fCocx+WgD91Ep6ZXjewqGF/CMlu6qRZEl7k/0 5wjgoYwvJ6Iw0OMlWvijdBs9A3AnexPanV42BrUQcqglHr6doKoGG9N59JIVKIp+B4 T4Ph0MJ7wRmVSo/nJclZ6xWwjmeYOCdstLofl3DOn+kyUoXQJMLgRaXAq5y7fTRJXv cCd6XE0TL5t3Q== Received: from hobgoblin.ariadne.com ([IPv6:2601:192:4603:9471:222:fbff:fe91:d396]) by resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id xNLaf9nItSWhnxNLbfGnhc; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 02:15:11 +0000 Received: from hobgoblin.ariadne.com (hobgoblin.ariadne.com [127.0.0.1]) by hobgoblin.ariadne.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id w852F9MR008225; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 22:15:09 -0400 Received: (from worley@localhost) by hobgoblin.ariadne.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id w852F8Rn008222; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 22:15:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: hobgoblin.ariadne.com: worley set sender to worley@alum.mit.edu using -f From: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) To: Robert Sparks Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <082cd99c-aa8e-5693-2c71-746357af04ad@nostrum.com> (rjsparks@nostrum.com) Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 22:15:08 -0400 Message-ID: <87bm9cy9jn.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfC0yVosJ9mxHZoFv10LyyX1+hhHy/IiaF4ORMJaxlGWeb/85hSIIaYtMxFVTXpvc3uBATrSZDuc3CCdmrp91DtZeGXVhnUs04yiKwS/O0bD6xRxWJGzy UiKjpeYiySn6JHEjEUDStPBa7lqgLK62tObh+b856REShrcV44EdDURTTN0qFHqnv6ksh57Hl4ihW6O/YxDkHRR4+Tx9opVqFZbmHne5phjPx+XshDjMVHrp o/hMR4M2A9d02WbAhk4nZS07FJOhQmiHl1u3RR7o3e9CHJgywoeRJOH1PaFbD74Y Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] mail archive changes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 02:15:14 -0000 Robert Sparks writes: > The ability to change that setting without logging in has been restored. Ah, thanks! I find this interface is a lot easier to use. Still, the date index page is organized strangely -- it seems to want to segment the messages by months. E.g., looking at Salud, there's a page for Aug 2018 (one message), then one for all of 2016 (one message), 2015 (one message), then 2014 (several dozen messages). I seem to remember MhonArc (sp?) would always give you a couple of hundred messages per page, so the first date page would contain pretty much every e-mail one remembered. The thread index seems to be segmented by month, or something. E.g., https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/static/salud/thread/2018-08/ How well does it handle threads split across month boundaries? If I start at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/salud/0XrO2yb0mshHhtx-8x640hI3Ik4 and click on "Date" at the bottom, I don't land on that message in the date index. If I click on "Thread" at the bottom, I wind up in the date index. (What?) The URLs for individual messages are still just hashes of some sort. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/salud/0XrO2yb0mshHhtx-8x640hI3Ik4 vs. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/salud/current/msg00491.html Dale From nobody Wed Sep 5 08:07:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07925130E3A for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:07:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.88 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.88 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rt0AAzTWETvN for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77F07130DF4 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.18.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w85F7IPH007632 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 5 Sep 2018 10:07:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.18.66] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: "Dale R. Worley" Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <87bm9cy9jn.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <61660574-2be4-17e6-a0c9-4e356f851bbb@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 10:07:17 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87bm9cy9jn.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] mail archive changes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 15:07:31 -0000 On 9/4/18 9:15 PM, Dale R. Worley wrote: > Robert Sparks writes: >> The ability to change that setting without logging in has been restored. > Ah, thanks! > > I find this interface is a lot easier to use. > > Still, the date index page is organized strangely -- it seems to want to > segment the messages by months. By design - creating (or recreating after removing messages) the static pages that make those up is expensive. This also allows hacking the URI. > E.g., looking at Salud, there's a page > for Aug 2018 (one message), then one for all of 2016 (one message), 2015 > (one message), then 2014 (several dozen messages). I seem to remember > MhonArc (sp?) would always give you a couple of hundred messages per > page, so the first date page would contain pretty much every e-mail one > remembered. > > The thread index seems to be segmented by month, or something. E.g., > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/static/salud/thread/2018-08/ > How well does it handle threads split across month boundaries? Try it. > > If I start at > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/salud/0XrO2yb0mshHhtx-8x640hI3Ik4 > and click on "Date" at the bottom, I don't land on that message in the > date index. > If I click on "Thread" at the bottom, I wind up in the date index. > (What?) I've passed that on. > > The URLs for individual messages are still just hashes of some sort. > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/salud/0XrO2yb0mshHhtx-8x640hI3Ik4 > vs. > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/salud/current/msg00491.html Yes, it is a hash. The goal is URL stability, even if messages are moved/removed. This seems to bother you. Why? > > Dale RjS From nobody Thu Sep 6 10:25:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1518130EC8 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 10:25:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.709 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.709 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q1RSW2XJcaLr for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 10:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9005:57f::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CCF31277C8 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 10:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0050102.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0050102.ppops.net-00190b01. 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Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] A "fetch" API for things off datatracker? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 17:36:48 -0000 Hi Rich, There exists one generic API through which all table data can be fetched, and some additional special-purpose API endpoints. There are notes on the API here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/ Best regards, Henrik On 2018-09-06 19:25, Salz, Rich wrote: > I looked through the summary at https://tools.ietf.org and skimmed > some of the archives and couldn’t find anything. > > I assume that most of the pages on datatracker are templates, > populated at fetch time from a database. Is there an API to fetch > those data items? I am working on some scripts > (https://github.com/richsalz/ietf-gh-scripts) that could really > benefit from such a thing. I am willing to spend time, now and at > the IETF hackathon, to help develop this. > > Thanks for any input. > > /r$ From nobody Thu Sep 6 10:44:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEED129385 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 10:44:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p74ZO6gc7-JQ for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 10:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oj.bangj.com (amt0.gin.ntt.net [129.250.11.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41B9E12008A for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 10:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.10.126] (unknown [107.13.224.116]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A7C522B1; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 13:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Tom Pusateri In-Reply-To: <1e9c3f81-9243-75ef-8acb-3ef49076efee@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 13:44:32 -0400 Cc: "Salz, Rich" , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <83D14049-FFE8-43A2-A4EF-8184CD4E19BC@bangj.com> References: <15855B74-4A77-4C0B-A040-A889F86CE8F6@akamai.com> <1e9c3f81-9243-75ef-8acb-3ef49076efee@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] A "fetch" API for things off datatracker? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 17:44:37 -0000 I use this API for the IETFers iPhone/iPad app. Everything I needed is = available. I found that I needed to make too many requests to rebuild = the links between objects which was slow and asked Henrik/Robert for a = meeting API that collected the info I needed for quicker access. They = were very helpful and fulfilled this request. So now I use a combination = of the tastypie API and a custom one for meeting info. I can provide = assistance with the API if you get stuck. Thanks, Tom > On Sep 6, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Henrik Levkowetz = wrote: >=20 > Hi Rich, >=20 > There exists one generic API through which all table data can be = fetched, > and some additional special-purpose API endpoints. There are notes on > the API here: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/ >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Henrik >=20 > On 2018-09-06 19:25, Salz, Rich wrote: >> I looked through the summary at https://tools.ietf.org and skimmed >> some of the archives and couldn=E2=80=99t find anything. >>=20 >> I assume that most of the pages on datatracker are templates, >> populated at fetch time from a database. Is there an API to fetch >> those data items? I am working on some scripts >> (https://github.com/richsalz/ietf-gh-scripts) that could really >> benefit from such a thing. I am willing to spend time, now and at >> the IETF hackathon, to help develop this. >>=20 >> Thanks for any input. >>=20 >> /r$ >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org From nobody Fri Sep 7 08:22:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E707130DD4 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2018 08:22:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mm8ZjzthPHxB for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2018 08:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x231.google.com (mail-wm0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 289A812F1AB for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2018 08:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x231.google.com with SMTP id t25-v6so14987092wmi.3 for ; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 08:22:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xxO1Pjrl/6XP7fFjeBEEoE2xrOvMLGYmU5KsrnBe0Ik=; b=obyFuFxBBXArpyRGWuLvLU8tK3gHkZZ1vMW2JudVEU4SNiAx6g3DxDeOYZnfTJFa0p tiik3mSJ5eRiD7hfWCo1dxQYdxq5I93SU3f6nN0cm/45FCeTvG1/8wNa6xtDa62aYryb f5b6/vOqtBIjIv17QGRgaix98ee4LxjQJrW6WzcPb6WVfd9nseQx2NkOIVNCLKe4fO7p 5d2aJy9/mwFH2ppYy9yxfhvDmnCbojlV4viSn3nnRY5LZddtuR23D3U6i0iKmXxPFXyo vqb3kehrHAxb1xPddYxUF+xsQyBDA6VKxDMXQE0FDWjijnNklW1VlIKFAP38jJ/7XF4a 1DlQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xxO1Pjrl/6XP7fFjeBEEoE2xrOvMLGYmU5KsrnBe0Ik=; b=giFfA0EpUUID/REtNqi1c5LLMDiUvDlwc9LgPVTb8ilqaEoHYBk9vsPkZ1uu3vcUYh sdE2gwMnmce4DMIZxUjUByIWWY3fjsSHVJG3BXCteBloj147MmwxbL0bSl1bCfUrXWNJ NlimzWPKTDnN1l3fQhVfOAnB1zKGgXcJBoEGCBdiCtzVcuF+01RYiZ+e22nNJYLmbXBS UfWvyuYXksZaD59tE516f5dnW+l4j+SX0Jp6aMxRox4MBK3OyF5GoC8sKRvczcHpo/yP SCkM8lMbYsB1ooPxMCp1eSC2XYeuCT4+CqneIxHN9RWhHBXzauMhmxv2FNVST6nHBr6D ODrg== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51CSdIzXydZq7KpV8ipb3OWwALnb6xutUhDbG5OPR4HikzGIDfdc pXZqfpsN+sfa/quYrh52edVoGf02kqyFud8iyRTU0KeoF4gJBA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdayDCmBMQ1mEYH2tALZNXdTuu2DC57isaHyj+q9pT6tvhmF69exlsaHYeEgq7rCL9o9QPx5LO/fbJBxWXH6LuE= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:a581:: with SMTP id o123-v6mr5397675wme.26.1536333746946; Fri, 07 Sep 2018 08:22:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Warren Kumari Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 11:21:51 -0400 Message-ID: To: Tools Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003e648a05754993fe" Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] N00b question - getting list of documents an AD is responsible for. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2018 15:22:31 -0000 --0000000000003e648a05754993fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi there, I'm trying to get the list of documents that I'm responsible for. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ad/warren.kumari/ contains this, but I'd like to be able to parse it with tools (to add stuff to my calendar, keep state, etc). I've spent some time poking around with https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/, (the above page seems to be generated by ietfdb/trunk/ietf/doc/views_search.py : docs_for_ad) but seem to be missing something fundamental; I'd like it in JSON / XML / something. The closest I've been able to accomplish is: curl 'https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/person/email/warren@kumari.net/' then curl 'https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/document/?limit=0&ad=111656' but this feels very clumsy / unfriendly to the database. Is there something cleaner? Like (not working): https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ad/warren.kumari/?format=json W -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --0000000000003e648a05754993fe Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,

I'm trying to get the list of documen= ts that I'm responsible for.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ad/warren.kuma= ri/ contains this, but I'd like to be able to parse it with tools (= to add stuff to my calendar, keep state, etc).

I've spent some t= ime poking around with https:= //datatracker.ietf.org/api/, (the above page seems to be generated by i= etfdb/trunk/ietf/doc/views_search.py : docs_for_ad) but seem to be missing = something fundamental; I'd like it in JSON / XML / something.

Th= e closest I've been able to accomplish is:
curl 'https://da= tatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/person/email/warren@kumari.net/'
then<= br>curl 'https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/document/= ?limit=3D0&ad=3D111656'

but this feels very clumsy / unf= riendly to the database.

Is there something cleaner? Like (not worki= ng):
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ad/warren.kumari/?format=3Djson<= /a>

W


--
I don't think the execution is relevant w= hen it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like putting= rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen = those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0---m= af
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Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------28A84E2A81C90FD27A1B4BAD" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] N00b question - getting list of documents an AD is responsible for. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2018 15:43:03 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------28A84E2A81C90FD27A1B4BAD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Warren - On 9/7/18 10:21 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: > Hi there, > > I'm trying to get the list of documents that I'm responsible for. I suspect you're only wanting the ones that are still in flight? Or are you wanting things that have been RFCed already too? > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ad/warren.kumari/ > contains this, > but I'd like to be able to parse it with tools (to add stuff to my > calendar, keep state, etc). > > I've spent some time poking around with > https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/, (the above page seems to be > generated by ietfdb/trunk/ietf/doc/views_search.py : docs_for_ad) but > seem to be missing something fundamental; I'd like it in JSON / XML / > something. > > The closest I've been able to accomplish is: > curl 'https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/person/email/warren@kumari.net/' > then > curl 'https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/document/?limit=0&ad=111656' Have you tried https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/document/?limit=0&ad=111656&format=json ? > > but this feels very clumsy / unfriendly to the database. > > Is there something cleaner? Like (not working): > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ad/warren.kumari/?format=json So the link I sent above is essentially that (and the cost to the database is roughly the same). Let me know what you're really hoping to do, and I'll try to help you get closer to it. > > W > > > -- > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad > idea in the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair > of pants. >    ---maf > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org --------------28A84E2A81C90FD27A1B4BAD Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Warren -


On 9/7/18 10:21 AM, Warren Kumari wrote:
Hi there,

I'm trying to get the list of documents that I'm responsible for.
I suspect you're only wanting the ones that are still in flight? Or are you wanting things that have been RFCed already too?

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ad/warren.kumari/ contains this, but I'd like to be able to parse it with tools (to add stuff to my calendar, keep state, etc).

I've spent some time poking around with https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/, (the above page seems to be generated by ietfdb/trunk/ietf/doc/views_search.py : docs_for_ad) but seem to be missing something fundamental; I'd like it in JSON / XML / something.

The closest I've been able to accomplish is:
curl 'https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/person/email/warren@kumari.net/'
then
curl 'https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/document/?limit=0&ad=111656'
Have you tried https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/document/?limit=0&ad=111656&format=json ?


but this feels very clumsy / unfriendly to the database.

Is there something cleaner? Like (not working):
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ad/warren.kumari/?format=json
So the link I sent above is essentially that (and the cost to the database is roughly the same).

Let me know what you're really hoping to do, and I'll try to help you get closer to it.

W


--
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
   ---maf


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On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:35 AM Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote:

Everything in the database is a level of indirection= , except in DB-world they call it normalization :)

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Are you bothered that you have to do two GET=E2=80= =99s, or that you=E2=80=99re still not getting what you want.


It's not so much bothered as feeling like I might be= missing something.

"regular" interface:
time curl '= ;https://data= tracker.ietf.org/doc/ad/warren.kumari'
real 0m2.835s

API:=
time curl 'https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/doc= ument/?limit=3D0&ad=3D111656'
real 0m12.323s


For = the Agenda I can append 'agenda.json' to 'https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/<= /a>' and get a JSON version, wasn't sure if there was something sim= ilar for the /doc/ad/ view.
I'm fine to continue doing = https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/document/?limit=3D0&ad=3D111656= -- I really don't care about the speed (I'll run it once or tw= ice a day), I just didn't want to be doing something stupid if there is= a more elegant way....

W

--
I don't think the execution is relevant wh= en it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like putting = rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen t= hose particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2018 16:02:46 -0000 --00000000000027a4ef05754a23b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:43 AM Robert Sparks wrote: > Hi Warren - > > > On 9/7/18 10:21 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: > > Hi there, > > I'm trying to get the list of documents that I'm responsible for. > > I suspect you're only wanting the ones that are still in flight? Or are > you wanting things that have been RFCed already too? > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ad/warren.kumari/ > contains this, but > I'd like to be able to parse it with tools (to add stuff to my calendar, > keep state, etc). > > I've spent some time poking around with https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/, > (the above page seems to be generated by > ietfdb/trunk/ietf/doc/views_search.py : docs_for_ad) but seem to be missing > something fundamental; I'd like it in JSON / XML / something. > > The closest I've been able to accomplish is: > curl 'https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/person/email/warren@kumari.net/' > then > curl 'https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/document/?limit=0&ad=111656' > > Have you tried > https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/document/?limit=0&ad=111656&format=json > ? > > > but this feels very clumsy / unfriendly to the database. > > Is there something cleaner? Like (not working): > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ad/warren.kumari/?format=json > > So the link I sent above is essentially that (and the cost to the database > is roughly the same). > > Ok, cool. > Let me know what you're really hoping to do, and I'll try to help you get > closer to it. > > > It looks like what I'm doing / the link you provided above is the "right" way to do it - mainly I was wanting to be sure I wasn't being anti-social to the database, or just doing something silly. I'm trying to collect metrics and stats about how I'm doing (useful to justify my time to management people, and also just for my own knowledge), make a much simpler dashboard so I can have a widget to remind me what to do next, etc. W > W > > > -- > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea > in the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of > pants. > ---maf > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing listTools-discuss@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs athttp://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > > -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --00000000000027a4ef05754a23b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fr= i, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:43 AM Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
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Hi Warren -


On 9/7/18 10:21 AM,= Warren Kumari wrote:
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Hi there,

I'm trying to get the list of documents that I'm responsibl= e for.
I suspect you're only wanting the ones that are still in flight? Or are you wanting things that have been RFCed already too?
Have you tried https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/document= /?limit=3D0&ad=3D111656&format=3Djson ?


but this feels very clumsy / unfriendly to the database.

Is there something cleaner? Like (not working):
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ad/warren.kuma= ri/?format=3Djson
So the link I sent above is essentially that (and the cost to the database is roughly the same).


Ok, cool.

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Let me know what you're really hoping to do, and I'll try to he= lp you get closer to it.


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It looks like what I'm doing / the link you provided above is the = "right" way to do it - mainly I was wanting to be sure I wasn'= ;t being anti-social to the database, or just doing something silly.
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I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
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Fri, 28 Sep 2018 18:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it1-f182.google.com with SMTP id c85-v6so4943784itd.1 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 18:01:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfohlut53AWbugO8GjrJVYHHz8YbZAAA2VXC119TTCKD0y7sER+OU Cvm8uoPtTMi5uOwZPkjUVKLuYanIRrl5+UGYHTI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV63I9e0UlwSlFVBmltXCpi7z4+N/Eoy3vVC6APym7YYirsb4kjE+HiUwqe7HW7JF0fTzcQ2R/vfU5s1lSuYNUgk= X-Received: by 2002:a24:4f8b:: with SMTP id c133-v6mr3776033itb.106.1538182897351; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 18:01:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4CB1A6BA-81BC-4B73-828F-0EB12A346541@contoso.com> In-Reply-To: <4CB1A6BA-81BC-4B73-828F-0EB12A346541@contoso.com> From: Glen Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 18:01:22 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: mankamis@cisco.com Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Where to get Nroff editor for MAC X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 01:01:40 -0000 On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:30 PM Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) wrote: > Hi Team, > I was trying to get nroff editor, and google points me to software which is not allowed to execute in MAC. Is there any way to get this software ? > Thanks > Mankamana Hi Mankamana - Others doubtless have more knowledge here, but since it's the weekend/nighttime for most of the planet, I'll take a stab: You say "nroff editor". By iteself, nroff is not an editor. It's a converter, that changes its own particular brand of text markup into a formatted output file. The original nroff has been ported many times, and is now a part of GNU groff, available pretty much everywhere, including here: https://www.gnu.org/software/groff/ There are only binaries for Windows; that is because Macs are really Unix-based, and so the expectation is that you would build groff from source on your Mac, just as most Unix users would. Of course, these days, groff is included stock with pretty much every other Unix distribution in the world. There is apparently a version of groff included with MacOS; however, anecdotal commentary seems to indicate it's rather outdated. Apparently you can easily install a much more recent version using the "Homebrew" system. See https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/335812/install-pdfroff-on-macos for details about that. Or you could build a new complete version from source by installing the free XCode toolkit from the App store. Homebrew seems much the better choice. But to just "edit" nroff-style files, you don't need nroff. You can use any text editor you like. TextEdit, Emacs, VI, any text based editor of your choice should do the job. You would only need nroff to convert the files into printable form at the end of your process. Searching further, I was surprised also to see an actual "NROFF ID Editor" here: http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/nroffedit/download.html . I wasn't aware of it, but it seems to be targeted at IETF IDs. Perhaps you meant that? There is a Mac download halfway down that page. Disclaimer: I have no idea what that particular tool is, or if it's even legitimate, I see only a web page that looks interesting, and include it for your reference. As I said, others will chime in with corrections, but I hope this is enough to get you started. Glen -- Glen Barney Vintage Unix Junkie, and IT Director AMS (IETF Secretariat) From nobody Fri Sep 28 19:48:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74E3130DC6 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 19:48:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 915i7RRpTNXD for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 19:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9001:583::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33E06128B14 for ; 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My heart died when uucp faded away. Ahh, the good old days! How things have changed since then! 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