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{reposting to tools-discuss}

Hello cellar,

The draft of FFV1 now uses xml2rfc version 3 as defined at
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991>. Presently in the markdown source of
the FFV1 draft, the math is maintained in both LaTeX expressions (which are
converted to SVG for inclusion in the RFC XML) as well as an Ascii Art
representation (heavily reliant on functions defined within the draft). For
example:=20

vs

r_{i} =3D floor( ( R_{i} * S_{i,C_{i}} ) / 2^8 )

Whether in SVG or ascii art, this data is contained by the <artwork> node in
rfc2xml version 3. In https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991#section-2.5
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991#section-2.5> it states,=20

   Alternatively, the "src" attribute allows referencing an external
   graphics file, such as a vector drawing in SVG or a bitmap graphic
   file, using a URI.  In this case, the textual content acts as a
   fallback for output representations that do not support graphics;
   thus, it ought to contain either (1) a "line art" variant of the
   graphics or (2) prose that describes the included image in sufficient
   detail.

A bit later it says that SVG data may be encoded and stored within the
<artwork>=E2=80=99s @src attribute such as=20=20

   o  As a data: URI, such as: <artwork type=3D"svg" src=3D"data:image/
      svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3=E2=80=A6">

So from this I was hoping we could work on one draft rfc2xml version 3 file
that could use the SVG image data or use the ascii art as a fallback; howev=
er
when I try to craft the <artwork> node with both such as:=20

   <artwork type=3D"svg" src=3D"data:image/svg+xml,ENCODED_SVG_MATH_IMAGE_H=
ERE=E2=80=9D>FALLBACK_ASCII_ART_HERE</artwork>

then the output =E2=80=9Cv3-plaintext=E2=80=9D output of the conversion too=
l at
https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html
<https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html>, does not use the textual
content of the <artwork> node as a fallback but instead places a warning su=
ch
as=20

   (Artwork only available as svg: No external link available, see
   draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-08.html for artwork.)

Is it feasible (recommended?) to have one rfc2xml XML document that could be
a source for both plaintext formats (using an ascii art fallback) and
non-plaintext formats such as HTML and PDF which would use the embedded SVG
data?=20

Kind Regards,
Dave Rice


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On 01.09.2019 18:29, Michael Richardson wrote:
>
> {reposting to tools-discuss}
>
> Hello cellar,
>
> The draft of FFV1 now uses xml2rfc version 3 as defined at
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991>. Presently in the markdown source =
of
> the FFV1 draft, the math is maintained in both LaTeX expressions (which =
are
> converted to SVG for inclusion in the RFC XML) as well as an Ascii Art
> representation (heavily reliant on functions defined within the draft). =
For
> example:
>
> vs
>
> r_{i} =3D floor( ( R_{i} * S_{i,C_{i}} ) / 2^8 )
>
> Whether in SVG or ascii art, this data is contained by the <artwork> nod=
e in
> rfc2xml version 3. In https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991#section-2.5
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991#section-2.5> it states,
>
>     Alternatively, the "src" attribute allows referencing an external
>     graphics file, such as a vector drawing in SVG or a bitmap graphic
>     file, using a URI.  In this case, the textual content acts as a
>     fallback for output representations that do not support graphics;
>     thus, it ought to contain either (1) a "line art" variant of the
>     graphics or (2) prose that describes the included image in sufficien=
t
>     detail.
>
> A bit later it says that SVG data may be encoded and stored within the
> <artwork>=E2=80=99s @src attribute such as
>
>     o  As a data: URI, such as: <artwork type=3D"svg" src=3D"data:image/
>        svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3=E2=80=A6">
>
> So from this I was hoping we could work on one draft rfc2xml version 3 f=
ile
> that could use the SVG image data or use the ascii art as a fallback; ho=
wever
> when I try to craft the <artwork> node with both such as:
>
>     <artwork type=3D"svg" src=3D"data:image/svg+xml,ENCODED_SVG_MATH_IMA=
GE_HERE=E2=80=9D>FALLBACK_ASCII_ART_HERE</artwork>
>
> then the output =E2=80=9Cv3-plaintext=E2=80=9D output of the conversion =
tool at
> https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html
> <https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html>, does not use the tex=
tual
> content of the <artwork> node as a fallback but instead places a warning=
 such
> as
>
>     (Artwork only available as svg: No external link available, see
>     draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-08.html for artwork.)
>
> Is it feasible (recommended?) to have one rfc2xml XML document that coul=
d be
> a source for both plaintext formats (using an ascii art fallback) and
> non-plaintext formats such as HTML and PDF which would use the embedded =
SVG
> data?
>
> Kind Regards,
> Dave Rice

<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implementation-not=
es-09#section-3.1.1>
might be what you're looking for.

Disclaimer: I proposed a much simpler solution, but that's where we are
right now.

Best regards, Julian


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Hi David,

Response at the bottom:

On 2019-09-01 18:29, Michael Richardson wrote:
>=20
> {reposting to tools-discuss}
>=20
> Hello cellar,
>=20
> The draft of FFV1 now uses xml2rfc version 3 as defined at
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991>. Presently in the markdown source=
 of
> the FFV1 draft, the math is maintained in both LaTeX expressions (which=
 are
> converted to SVG for inclusion in the RFC XML) as well as an Ascii Art
> representation (heavily reliant on functions defined within the draft).=
 For
> example:=20
>=20
> vs
>=20
> r_{i} =3D floor( ( R_{i} * S_{i,C_{i}} ) / 2^8 )
>=20
> Whether in SVG or ascii art, this data is contained by the <artwork> no=
de in
> rfc2xml version 3. In https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991#section-2.5
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991#section-2.5> it states,=20
>=20
>    Alternatively, the "src" attribute allows referencing an external
>    graphics file, such as a vector drawing in SVG or a bitmap graphic
>    file, using a URI.  In this case, the textual content acts as a
>    fallback for output representations that do not support graphics;
>    thus, it ought to contain either (1) a "line art" variant of the
>    graphics or (2) prose that describes the included image in sufficien=
t
>    detail.
>=20
> A bit later it says that SVG data may be encoded and stored within the
> <artwork>=E2=80=99s @src attribute such as =20
>=20
>    o  As a data: URI, such as: <artwork type=3D"svg" src=3D"data:image/=

>       svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3=E2=80=A6">
>=20
> So from this I was hoping we could work on one draft rfc2xml version 3 =
file
> that could use the SVG image data or use the ascii art as a fallback; h=
owever
> when I try to craft the <artwork> node with both such as:=20
>=20
>    <artwork type=3D"svg" src=3D"data:image/svg+xml,ENCODED_SVG_MATH_IMA=
GE_HERE=E2=80=9D>FALLBACK_ASCII_ART_HERE</artwork>
>=20
> then the output =E2=80=9Cv3-plaintext=E2=80=9D output of the conversion=
 tool at
> https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html
> <https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html>, does not use the te=
xtual
> content of the <artwork> node as a fallback but instead places a warnin=
g such
> as=20
>=20
>    (Artwork only available as svg: No external link available, see
>    draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-08.html for artwork.)
>=20
> Is it feasible (recommended?) to have one rfc2xml XML document that cou=
ld be
> a source for both plaintext formats (using an ascii art fallback) and
> non-plaintext formats such as HTML and PDF which would use the embedded=
 SVG
> data?

Yes.  The specification of how to handle the text fallback in the RFC 799=
x
documents was in part contradictory, and also not as extensible and easil=
y
editable as one could wish.  It currently looks like rfc7991bis largely w=
ill
follow the proposal discussed on the xml2rfc-dev list earlier this year, =
and
captured in the xml2rfc implementation notes draft here:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implementation-not=
es-09#section-3.1.1

which introduces an <artset> element which can contain multiple <artwork>=

elements with different type attributes, for instance (artwork and some
details omitted:

  <artset>
    <artwork type=3D"svg" src=3D"..."/>
    <artwork type=3D"ascii-art" ...>
	# ascii art
    </artwork>
  </artset>

For more on this, and for a light introduction to the v3 schema, check:
http://tools.ietf.org/src/xml2rfc/trunk/cli/doc/xml2rfc3.html#artwork-alt=
ernatives


Best regards,

	Henrik


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> Dave Rice
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Hi Henrik, Julian,

> On Sep 1, 2019, at 12:46 PM, Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> Hi David,
>=20
> Response at the bottom:
>=20
> On 2019-09-01 18:29, Michael Richardson wrote:
>>=20
>> {reposting to tools-discuss}
>>=20
>> Hello cellar,
>>=20
>> The draft of FFV1 now uses xml2rfc version 3 as defined at
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991
>> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991>. Presently in the markdown =
source of
>> the FFV1 draft, the math is maintained in both LaTeX expressions =
(which are
>> converted to SVG for inclusion in the RFC XML) as well as an Ascii =
Art
>> representation (heavily reliant on functions defined within the =
draft). For
>> example:=20
>>=20
>> vs
>>=20
>> r_{i} =3D floor( ( R_{i} * S_{i,C_{i}} ) / 2^8 )
>>=20
>> Whether in SVG or ascii art, this data is contained by the <artwork> =
node in
>> rfc2xml version 3. In https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991#section-2.5
>> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991#section-2.5> it states,=20
>>=20
>>   Alternatively, the "src" attribute allows referencing an external
>>   graphics file, such as a vector drawing in SVG or a bitmap graphic
>>   file, using a URI.  In this case, the textual content acts as a
>>   fallback for output representations that do not support graphics;
>>   thus, it ought to contain either (1) a "line art" variant of the
>>   graphics or (2) prose that describes the included image in =
sufficient
>>   detail.
>>=20
>> A bit later it says that SVG data may be encoded and stored within =
the
>> <artwork>=E2=80=99s @src attribute such as =20
>>=20
>>   o  As a data: URI, such as: <artwork type=3D"svg" src=3D"data:image/
>>      svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3=E2=80=A6">
>>=20
>> So from this I was hoping we could work on one draft rfc2xml version =
3 file
>> that could use the SVG image data or use the ascii art as a fallback; =
however
>> when I try to craft the <artwork> node with both such as:=20
>>=20
>>   <artwork type=3D"svg" =
src=3D"data:image/svg+xml,ENCODED_SVG_MATH_IMAGE_HERE=E2=80=9D>FALLBACK_AS=
CII_ART_HERE</artwork>
>>=20
>> then the output =E2=80=9Cv3-plaintext=E2=80=9D output of the =
conversion tool at
>> https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html
>> <https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html>, does not use the =
textual
>> content of the <artwork> node as a fallback but instead places a =
warning such
>> as=20
>>=20
>>   (Artwork only available as svg: No external link available, see
>>   draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-08.html for artwork.)
>>=20
>> Is it feasible (recommended?) to have one rfc2xml XML document that =
could be
>> a source for both plaintext formats (using an ascii art fallback) and
>> non-plaintext formats such as HTML and PDF which would use the =
embedded SVG
>> data?
>=20
> Yes.  The specification of how to handle the text fallback in the RFC =
799x
> documents was in part contradictory, and also not as extensible and =
easily
> editable as one could wish.  It currently looks like rfc7991bis =
largely will
> follow the proposal discussed on the xml2rfc-dev list earlier this =
year, and
> captured in the xml2rfc implementation notes draft here:
>=20
> =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implementation-note=
s-09#section-3.1.1 =
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implementation-not=
es-09#section-3.1.1>
>=20
> which introduces an <artset> element which can contain multiple =
<artwork>
> elements with different type attributes, for instance (artwork and =
some
> details omitted:
>=20
>  <artset>
>    <artwork type=3D"svg" src=3D"..."/>
>    <artwork type=3D"ascii-art" ...>
> 	# ascii art
>    </artwork>
>  </artset>
>=20
> For more on this, and for a light introduction to the v3 schema, =
check:
> =
http://tools.ietf.org/src/xml2rfc/trunk/cli/doc/xml2rfc3.html#artwork-alte=
rnatives =
<http://tools.ietf.org/src/xml2rfc/trunk/cli/doc/xml2rfc3.html#artwork-alt=
ernatives>

Thanks, this was exactly the clarification that I needed! I see that =
with the <artset> use described here, that the v3-plaintext and v3-html =
outputs of https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html =
<https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html> use the appropriate =
<artwork> for the output. If you=E2=80=99re interested, my work to =
=E2=80=98build=E2=80=99 this XML from out markdown source is in =
https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1/pull/160 =
<https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1/pull/160>, and an example of <artset> in =
the output of this PR can be seen at =
https://gist.github.com/dericed/3063446119a6e5971ecad29027977073#file-draf=
t-ietf-cellar-ffv1-08-xml-L489-L502 =
<https://gist.github.com/dericed/3063446119a6e5971ecad29027977073#file-dra=
ft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-08-xml-L489-L502>.

Thanks so much,
Dave Rice


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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Hi =
Henrik, Julian,<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Sep 1, 2019, at 12:46 PM, =
Henrik Levkowetz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:henrik@levkowetz.com" =
class=3D"">henrik@levkowetz.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Hi David,</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
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style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Response at the =
bottom:</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">On 2019-09-01 =
18:29, Michael Richardson wrote:</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br class=3D"">{reposting to =
tools-discuss}<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Hello cellar,<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">The draft of FFV1 now uses xml2rfc version 3 =
as defined at<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991" =
class=3D"">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991</a><br =
class=3D"">&lt;https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991&gt;. Presently in the =
markdown source of<br class=3D"">the FFV1 draft, the math is maintained =
in both LaTeX expressions (which are<br class=3D"">converted to SVG for =
inclusion in the RFC XML) as well as an Ascii Art<br =
class=3D"">representation (heavily reliant on functions defined within =
the draft). For<br class=3D"">example:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">vs<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">r_{i} =3D floor( ( R_{i} * =
S_{i,C_{i}} ) / 2^8 )<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Whether in SVG or =
ascii art, this data is contained by the &lt;artwork&gt; node in<br =
class=3D"">rfc2xml version 3. In =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991#section-2.5<br =
class=3D"">&lt;https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991#section-2.5&gt; it =
states,<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;Alternatively, the "src" attribute =
allows referencing an external<br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;graphics file, =
such as a vector drawing in SVG or a bitmap graphic<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;file, using a URI. &nbsp;In this case, the =
textual content acts as a<br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;fallback for output =
representations that do not support graphics;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;thus, it ought to contain either (1) a "line art" =
variant of the<br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;graphics or (2) prose that =
describes the included image in sufficient<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;detail.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">A bit later =
it says that SVG data may be encoded and stored within the<br =
class=3D"">&lt;artwork&gt;=E2=80=99s @src attribute such as &nbsp;<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;o &nbsp;As a data: URI, such as: =
&lt;artwork type=3D"svg" src=3D"data:image/<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%22http%=
3A%2F%2Fwww.w3=E2=80=A6"&gt;<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">So from this I =
was hoping we could work on one draft rfc2xml version 3 file<br =
class=3D"">that could use the SVG image data or use the ascii art as a =
fallback; however<br class=3D"">when I try to craft the &lt;artwork&gt; =
node with both such as:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;artwork type=3D"svg" =
src=3D"data:image/svg+xml,ENCODED_SVG_MATH_IMAGE_HERE=E2=80=9D&gt;FALLBACK=
_ASCII_ART_HERE&lt;/artwork&gt;<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">then the =
output =E2=80=9Cv3-plaintext=E2=80=9D output of the conversion tool =
at<br class=3D"">https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html<br =
class=3D"">&lt;https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html&gt;, =
does not use the textual<br class=3D"">content of the &lt;artwork&gt; =
node as a fallback but instead places a warning such<br class=3D"">as<span=
 class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;(Artwork only available as svg: No external link =
available, see<br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-08.html =
for artwork.)<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Is it feasible (recommended?) =
to have one rfc2xml XML document that could be<br class=3D"">a source =
for both plaintext formats (using an ascii art fallback) and<br =
class=3D"">non-plaintext formats such as HTML and PDF which would use =
the embedded SVG<br class=3D"">data?<br class=3D""></blockquote><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Yes. &nbsp;The specification of =
how to handle the text fallback in the RFC 799x</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">documents was in part =
contradictory, and also not as extensible and easily</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">editable as one could wish. =
&nbsp;It currently looks like rfc7991bis largely will</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">follow the proposal discussed on =
the xml2rfc-dev list earlier this year, and</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">captured in the xml2rfc =
implementation notes draft here:</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implementat=
ion-notes-09#section-3.1.1" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: =
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D"">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implemen=
tation-notes-09#section-3.1.1</a><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">which introduces an &lt;artset&gt; element which can contain =
multiple &lt;artwork&gt;</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">elements with different type attributes, for instance =
(artwork and some</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">details omitted:</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&lt;artset&gt;</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;artwork type=3D"svg" =
src=3D"..."/&gt;</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;artwork type=3D"ascii-art" =
...&gt;</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: pre; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">	</span><span style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D""># ascii art</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;/artwork&gt;</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">&nbsp;&lt;/artset&gt;</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">For more on this, and for a =
light introduction to the v3 schema, check:</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/src/xml2rfc/trunk/cli/doc/xml2rfc3.html#artw=
ork-alternatives" =
class=3D"">http://tools.ietf.org/src/xml2rfc/trunk/cli/doc/xml2rfc3.html#a=
rtwork-alternatives</a><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Thanks, this was exactly the clarification =
that I needed! I see that with the &lt;artset&gt; use described here, =
that the v3-plaintext and v3-html outputs of&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html" =
class=3D"">https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html</a>&nbsp;use =
the appropriate &lt;artwork&gt; for the output. If you=E2=80=99re =
interested, my work to =E2=80=98build=E2=80=99 this XML from out =
markdown source is in&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1/pull/160" =
class=3D"">https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1/pull/160</a>, and an example =
of &lt;artset&gt; in the output of this PR can be seen at&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://gist.github.com/dericed/3063446119a6e5971ecad29027977073#f=
ile-draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-08-xml-L489-L502" =
class=3D"">https://gist.github.com/dericed/3063446119a6e5971ecad2902797707=
3#file-draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-08-xml-L489-L502</a>.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks so =
much,</div><div class=3D"">Dave Rice</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></body></html>=

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Have we evaluated using cryptpad?

https://opencollective.com/cryptpad/

W3C is using it with great success, and it seems much scalable, =
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Hi there,

I just noticed that in <https://tools.ietf.org/draft/rfc8586/state.xml>.

> <?xml version=3D"1.0"?>
> <ietfdoc version=3D"0.92">
>    <id ts=3D"">rfc8586</id>
>    <info>
>       <errata ts=3D"2019-04-25/rfcerrata">http://www.rfc-editor.org/erra=
ta_search.php?rfc=3D8586&amp;rec_status=3D15</errata>
>    </info>
>    <state>
>    </state>
>    <change>
>       <eventsource>rfcerrata</eventsource>
>       <stateadded ts=3D"2019-04-25/rfcerrata">errata</stateadded>
>    </change>
> </ietfdoc>

...the entry for "deststatus" is missing (and this causes my code not to
be able to find out the status of the RFC).

Best regards, Julian


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One of the authors in CELLAR who is using XML v3 says:

>  I tried with FFV1 version 4 but don=E2=80=99t see a difference. At
>  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4/
>  <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4/> in the XML
>  link you can see the svg data in the XML but the HTML and PDF links show
>  the ASCII art rather than the SVG and the <sourceblock> sections have
>  their line returns stripped. So I don=E2=80=99t see any difference here =
since I
>  last posted FFV1 version 0,1,3 on September 6th.

It seems that we ought to be generating the HTML and PDF from the v3 using
XML2RFC directly rather than going XML->TXT->HTML{->PDF}.

This is no doubt because the DT still depends upon the tools.ietf page for
HTML version.   As such, nobody can see the nicer versions of output.

What is the plan?
(Is this work contracted somewhere?)

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Hi Michael,

On 2019-09-18 16:48, Michael Richardson wrote:
>=20
> One of the authors in CELLAR who is using XML v3 says:
>=20
>>  I tried with FFV1 version 4 but don=E2=80=99t see a difference. At
>>  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4/
>>  <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4/> in the =
XML
>>  link you can see the svg data in the XML but the HTML and PDF links s=
how
>>  the ASCII art rather than the SVG and the <sourceblock> sections have=

>>  their line returns stripped. So I don=E2=80=99t see any difference he=
re since I
>>  last posted FFV1 version 0,1,3 on September 6th.
>=20
> It seems that we ought to be generating the HTML and PDF from the v3 us=
ing
> XML2RFC directly rather than going XML->TXT->HTML{->PDF}.

Yes, agreed.

> This is no doubt because the DT still depends upon the tools.ietf page =
for
> HTML version.   As such, nobody can see the nicer versions of output.
>=20
> What is the plan?
> (Is this work contracted somewhere?)

Not explicitly, but I'll add v3 conversion and a v3 html link in the next=

datatracker release.


Best regards,

	Henrik


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Dave Rice <dave@dericed.com> wrote:
    > Another annoyance here is the the xml processor in the submission tool
    > and the xml processor at
    > https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html
    > <https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html> perform differentl=
y,
    > so there=E2=80=99s effectively no test environment to use before subm=
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    > Dave

Dave, can you please try xml2rfc.ietf.org, which is a different installatio=
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Hi Michael, David,

On 2019-09-20 23:04, Michael Richardson wrote:
>=20
> Dave Rice <dave@dericed.com> wrote:
>     > Another annoyance here is the the xml processor in the submission=
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>     > and the xml processor at
>     > https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html
>     > <https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html> perform differ=
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>     > so there=E2=80=99s effectively no test environment to use before =
submitting.
>     > Dave
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> Dave, can you please try xml2rfc.ietf.org, which is a different install=
ation,
> supported by a different entity?

Michael:  Umm, no, that redirects to tools.ietf.org, too, and the process=
or
behind that, and behind https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html,=

_and_ behind the submission tool are all the latest release of xml2rfc.

David: I'd be happy to look into any discrepancies you see, but I can onl=
y
do so if you provide observations and input XML files for me to work
with.  It won't happen if I don't know about it :-)

FWIW, if you have a tools.ietf.org login, you can use the xml2rfc issue
tracker at https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/newticket, for
xml2rfc issues, and https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/newticket
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Hi, the CELLAR WG is trying to provide a PDF file along with our v3 XML to
the datatracker.  The files are temporarily at:
    http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/cellar/

When I try to do this, I get:

     There was a failure converting the xml file to text -- please verify
     that your xml file is valid. (Error from xml2rfc (text): 'NoneType'
     object has no attribute 'getroot')

There are warnings from the XML2RFC:
      Warning: Expected a numeric year, but found 'undated'

If I omit the XML, then of course, I get:
     Unexpected submission file types; found .pdf, but txt or xml is required

because I need to upload something with the PDF.

So I upload .txt file that I generated, and that worked.

Summary: xml-v3 + PDF fails.
         txt + PDF works.
         PDF alone fails (expected)

(Except that we needed to do -10 rather than -09, so meta-data error)

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Hi Michael,

On 2019-09-24 22:56, Michael Richardson wrote:
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> Hi, the CELLAR WG is trying to provide a PDF file along with our v3 XML=
 to
> the datatracker.  The files are temporarily at:
>     http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/cellar/

I can see a list of the files in that location, but trying to download
the .xml file results in Error 403: Forbidden

>=20
> When I try to do this, I get:
>=20
>      There was a failure converting the xml file to text -- please veri=
fy
>      that your xml file is valid. (Error from xml2rfc (text): 'NoneType=
'
>      object has no attribute 'getroot')

I've found this issue myself today.  It should be giving you the error
returned from xml2rfc, rather than the above follow-on problem caused
by a failure to run the rendering.  But the root cause is that the XML
you provided has a problem.

>=20
> There are warnings from the XML2RFC:
>       Warning: Expected a numeric year, but found 'undated'

Ok, then that's what you need to fix.  If you can provide the XML, I shou=
ld
be able to provide suggestions.

> If I omit the XML, then of course, I get:
>      Unexpected submission file types; found .pdf, but txt or xml is re=
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> because I need to upload something with the PDF.
>=20
> So I upload .txt file that I generated, and that worked.
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> Summary: xml-v3 + PDF fails.
>          txt + PDF works.
>          PDF alone fails (expected)
>=20
> (Except that we needed to do -10 rather than -09, so meta-data error)
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Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> wrote:
    >> Hi, the CELLAR WG is trying to provide a PDF file along with our v3 XML to
    >> the datatracker.  The files are temporarily at:
    >> http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/cellar/

    > I can see a list of the files in that location, but trying to download
    > the .xml file results in Error 403: Forbidden

Sorry, fixed.

    >>
    >> When I try to do this, I get:
    >>
    >> There was a failure converting the xml file to text -- please verify
    >> that your xml file is valid. (Error from xml2rfc (text): 'NoneType'
    >> object has no attribute 'getroot')

    > I've found this issue myself today.  It should be giving you the error
    > returned from xml2rfc, rather than the above follow-on problem caused
    > by a failure to run the rendering.  But the root cause is that the XML
    > you provided has a problem.

okay.

    >> There are warnings from the XML2RFC:
    >> Warning: Expected a numeric year, but found 'undated'

    > Ok, then that's what you need to fix.  If you can provide the XML, I should
    > be able to provide suggestions.

I think we just need to put years into the errant references, and we are
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Hi Michael -

One quick question.

Are you hoping to upload a PDF that's _different_ from the PDF that 
xml2rfc generates?

Or is it that output you're wanting to upload because the datatracker's 
not building it for you at the moment?

RjS

On 9/24/19 4:44 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:
> Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> wrote:
>      >> Hi, the CELLAR WG is trying to provide a PDF file along with our v3 XML to
>      >> the datatracker.  The files are temporarily at:
>      >> http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/cellar/
>
>      > I can see a list of the files in that location, but trying to download
>      > the .xml file results in Error 403: Forbidden
>
> Sorry, fixed.
>
>      >>
>      >> When I try to do this, I get:
>      >>
>      >> There was a failure converting the xml file to text -- please verify
>      >> that your xml file is valid. (Error from xml2rfc (text): 'NoneType'
>      >> object has no attribute 'getroot')
>
>      > I've found this issue myself today.  It should be giving you the error
>      > returned from xml2rfc, rather than the above follow-on problem caused
>      > by a failure to run the rendering.  But the root cause is that the XML
>      > you provided has a problem.
>
> okay.
>
>      >> There are warnings from the XML2RFC:
>      >> Warning: Expected a numeric year, but found 'undated'
>
>      > Ok, then that's what you need to fix.  If you can provide the XML, I should
>      > be able to provide suggestions.
>
> I think we just need to put years into the errant references, and we are
> doing that.
>
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    <p>Hi Michael -</p>
    <p>One quick question.</p>
    <p>Are you hoping to upload a PDF that's _different_ from the PDF
      that xml2rfc generates?</p>
    <p>Or is it that output you're wanting to upload because the
      datatracker's not building it for you at the moment?<br>
    </p>
    <p>RjS<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/24/19 4:44 PM, Michael Richardson
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:4745.1569361461@localhost">
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Henrik Levkowetz <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:henrik@levkowetz.com">&lt;henrik@levkowetz.com&gt;</a> wrote:
    &gt;&gt; Hi, the CELLAR WG is trying to provide a PDF file along with our v3 XML to
    &gt;&gt; the datatracker.  The files are temporarily at:
    &gt;&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/cellar/">http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/cellar/</a>

    &gt; I can see a list of the files in that location, but trying to download
    &gt; the .xml file results in Error 403: Forbidden

Sorry, fixed.

    &gt;&gt;
    &gt;&gt; When I try to do this, I get:
    &gt;&gt;
    &gt;&gt; There was a failure converting the xml file to text -- please verify
    &gt;&gt; that your xml file is valid. (Error from xml2rfc (text): 'NoneType'
    &gt;&gt; object has no attribute 'getroot')

    &gt; I've found this issue myself today.  It should be giving you the error
    &gt; returned from xml2rfc, rather than the above follow-on problem caused
    &gt; by a failure to run the rendering.  But the root cause is that the XML
    &gt; you provided has a problem.

okay.

    &gt;&gt; There are warnings from the XML2RFC:
    &gt;&gt; Warning: Expected a numeric year, but found 'undated'

    &gt; Ok, then that's what you need to fix.  If you can provide the XML, I should
    &gt; be able to provide suggestions.

I think we just need to put years into the errant references, and we are
doing that.

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Hi folks--

I'm curious about where the source code for rfcmarkup lives.  I can see
https://tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/ says v1.129, but the "code" link
on that page points to https://tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/code which
says:

    version = "1.120"

Is there a git repository someplace for this project?

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Hi Daniel,

There is a repository at

  https://svn.tools.ietf.org/svn/src/rfcmarkup/,

but I would like to point at the repository for the packaged htmlizer
code which I've extracted from the rfcmarkup code, instead:=20

  https://svn.tools.ietf.org/svn/src/rfc2html/

That's where I expect to do any new development, and that's the code
being used by the rfc-editor and datatracker sites for their htmlized
document pages.

I expect to eventually re-write rfcmarkup on tools.ietf.org to just use
the rfc2html module, too.


Best regards,

	Henrik


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