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[77.251.206.12]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a14sm14782115edt.95.2022.01.04.06.34.13 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 04 Jan 2022 06:34:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 15:34:11 +0100 From: Miek Gieben To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20220104143411.GA199244@miek.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] filing xml2rfc bugs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2022 14:34:21 -0000 Hi all, I'm trying and failing to file (a small) bug in xml2rfc. Now I had a trac login, but those credentials don't work anymore. More and more IETF stuff is hosted on Github and I don't know how many times this has come up before, but is it possible to move the entire xml2rfc working space to Github as well? (not (yet) subscribed to this list) Thanks! /Miek -- Miek Gieben From nobody Tue Jan 4 06:46:38 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7943A1D08 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2022 06:46:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.793 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.793 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.714, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gmFuc2juN6Tg for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2022 06:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB7CF3A1D07 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2022 06:46:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.114] ([47.186.34.206]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 204EkS1x020720 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2022 08:46:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1641307588; bh=+3g4S1/y+wYa++8bi9cMrtS4369a+8Fg34N/nxB7HIo=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=KUjomjpzIyPcwDSKxVDcEQZtCksiDmJELHVEimAiL29OuE253Wnqe4PinhWfDLdGk RO92fIxFivPcvaP9bcWhXreKmzHV6OkMKjI3VwV2X9zQwWyR1OFxPXQ3uz657pl0g8 yFaqZ15/g05eUCDHbb+NsvUkMP5ZIN9wrKligeCs= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.34.206] claimed to be [192.168.1.114] Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 08:46:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.4.1 Content-Language: en-US To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <20220104143411.GA199244@miek.nl> From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <20220104143411.GA199244@miek.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] filing xml2rfc bugs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2022 14:46:37 -0000 On 1/4/22 8:34 AM, Miek Gieben wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying and failing to file (a small) bug in xml2rfc. Now I had a > trac login, but those > credentials don't work anymore. You should be using your datatracker login now and not your tools.ietf.org credentials. > > More and more IETF stuff is hosted on Github and I don't know how many > times this has come > up before, but is it possible to move the entire xml2rfc working space > to Github as well? Yes, this is a contracted project in progress and should complete in a few weeks. > > (not (yet) subscribed to this list) > > Thanks! > > /Miek > > -- > Miek Gieben > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Tue Jan 4 07:32:18 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E60F3A1D64 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2022 07:24:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.675 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.675 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.576, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, PDS_TONAME_EQ_TOLOCAL_HDRS_LCASE=1.999, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2022 15:24:05 -0000 It looks like the proceedings for IETF 112 only contain links for = youtube videos of the meeting sessions. These are nice, but useless for = doing actual work, because there's no way to download the transcripts or = download the audio to generate transcripts. Is there some place where we = store downloadable audio anymore? I know we have done this = historically=E2=80=94I can find audio for e.g. IETF 96.=20 This seems like something that ought to be in the datatracker, but is = not. 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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2022 13:24:20 -0000 Le 04/01/2022 à 16:23, Ted Lemon a écrit : > It looks like the proceedings for IETF 112 only contain links for > youtube videos of the meeting sessions. These are nice, but useless > for doing actual work, because there's no way to download the > transcripts or download the audio to generate transcripts. Is there > some place where we store downloadable audio anymore? I know we have > done this historically—I can find audio for e.g. IETF 96. > > This seems like something that ought to be in the datatracker, but > is not. For info, at some point I was using a plugin into firefox browser called 'Video DownloadHelper'. This button allows to download videos, and audios by implication, from youtube and other sites. It is somehow a gray area in that youtube does not seem to like these kinds of downloads, and it keeps changing the way its URL work, so the plugin keeps adapting, so it's not known whether there will be an end to that. Alex > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org This list is for > discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. * Report > datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org * > Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org * Report all > other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org List info (including > how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Wed Jan 5 05:45:52 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C631A3A08CD for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2022 05:45:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.043 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.043 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.714, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x2ZjOX__OgAR for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2022 05:45:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from cirse-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (cirse-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 822EA3A08D5 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2022 05:45:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by cirse-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 205Dji9M036861 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2022 14:45:44 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 07C8F202E15 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2022 14:45:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet2-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr (muguet2-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.13]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A9C201943 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2022 14:45:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.35.150] (is154594.intra.cea.fr [10.8.35.150]) by muguet2-sys.intra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 205Djhjd000465 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2022 14:45:43 +0100 Message-ID: <96cef71e-59a5-cbdf-c46b-811c0acf8197@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 14:45:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.4.1 Content-Language: fr To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <97FA19C6-137D-43BF-814F-4DC65DAAD137@apple.com> <2c576c11-e793-7a3d-2b92-2c199c12c6d8@gmail.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu In-Reply-To: <2c576c11-e793-7a3d-2b92-2c199c12c6d8@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Downloadable meeting audio not linked on the datatracker. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2022 13:45:51 -0000 One drawback among many advantages of putting IETF videos on youtube is that they become subject to youtube typical advertisement; these advertisements come from different advertisers than the IETF sponsors. For example, if I want to watch the IETF 112 Plenary on youtube then I must go first through an advertisement generated by youtube. That advertisement is fine, in general, but from some perspective of the detail of cost, it is an error. Since these sessions were put on youtube I always wondered why is this tolerated. Also I wondered how comes nobody asks the IETF presenters for their approval for their images to be shown publicly on youtube. But yes, there are other advantages of putting these on youtube. For example, hopefully they will live longer than the earlier storage at University Oregon. Alex Le 05/01/2022 à 14:24, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit : > > > Le 04/01/2022 à 16:23, Ted Lemon a écrit : >> It looks like the proceedings for IETF 112 only contain links for >> youtube videos of the meeting sessions. These are nice, but useless >> for doing actual work, because there's no way to download the >> transcripts or download the audio to generate transcripts. Is there >> some place where we store downloadable audio anymore? I know we >> have done this historically—I can find audio for e.g. IETF 96. >> >> This seems like something that ought to be in the datatracker, but >> is not. > > For info, at some point I was using a plugin into firefox browser > called 'Video DownloadHelper'. This button allows to download > videos, and audios by implication, from youtube and other sites. > > It is somehow a gray area in that youtube does not seem to like > these kinds of downloads, and it keeps changing the way its URL work, > so the plugin keeps adapting, so it's not known whether there will be > an end to that. > > Alex > >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org This list is >> for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. * Report >> datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org * >> Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org * Report >> all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org List info >> (including how to Unsubscribe): >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org This list is for > discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. * Report > datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org * > Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org * Report all > other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org List info (including > how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Thu Jan 6 06:33:43 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9792E3A0D56 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 06:33:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.675 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.675 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.576, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fm0IcIDnU-vV for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 06:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9005:57f::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A78E3A0D52 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 06:33:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0122330.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (8.16.1.2/8.16.1.2) with ESMTP id 206Dt2xY019173; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 14:33:35 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; h=from : to : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-id : content-transfer-encoding : mime-version; s=jan2016.eng; bh=dwyF3GNtlPu3xvxcpWOaSXRKleoWNRzjIzo6GQ4gh+M=; b=GqtL2PeMVEMm+l7+rftMRuD+qZQTFA1z0LLlPl56MOEL4MvO3axFVnR/wMToGirU0SbT 7SVDLLZHO+59P2hKfxdRY8xCfD+h8WRb3iCZu1w8V/OYKW36GvxBkcugFaohac/zmrHI b/pd9ZpkcwO1L99wbHB/aPJS9Ufboi7BNyY3ZavIsT8dFCptC5lzJbR5+YHdvj/9fLlu fqGFndd9gAr+LfqE3wPua/CI+cVsFLQ0e9vxbU5ZSEWjG3p/waCAFwGYWuT5/fUktMCf /bcyk84sT5aqCztWdB8RMrEWcqaa6IS5/tz1Cu8w7o/Se3Auy+wHUny0/wBSkLCKDJc4 YA== Received: from prod-mail-ppoint5 (prod-mail-ppoint5.akamai.com [184.51.33.60] (may be forged)) by mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (PPS) with ESMTPS id 3ddmxqrr58-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 06 Jan 2022 14:33:34 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (prod-mail-ppoint5.akamai.com [127.0.0.1]) by prod-mail-ppoint5.akamai.com (8.16.1.2/8.16.1.2) with SMTP id 206ELaNx013554; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 06:33:16 -0800 Received: from email.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.91.21]) by prod-mail-ppoint5.akamai.com with ESMTP id 3ddn3bs0y5-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 06 Jan 2022 06:33:16 -0800 Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB5.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.105) by usma1ex-dag4mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.91.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.2.922.19; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 09:33:16 -0500 Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB1.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.101) by usma1ex-dag1mb5.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.105) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.26; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 09:33:16 -0500 Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB1.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.101]) by usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.101]) with mapi id 15.00.1497.026; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 09:33:16 -0500 From: "Salz, Rich" To: Alexandre Petrescu , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Downloadable meeting audio not linked on the datatracker. 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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 14:33:43 -0000 DQo+ICAgIEFsc28gSSB3b25kZXJlZCBob3cgY29tZXMgbm9ib2R5IGFza3MgdGhlIElFVEYgcHJl c2VudGVycyBmb3IgdGhlaXINCiAgICBhcHByb3ZhbCBmb3IgdGhlaXIgaW1hZ2VzIHRvIGJlIHNo b3duIHB1YmxpY2x5IG9uIHlvdXR1YmUuDQoNCklmIHlvdSByZWFkIHRoZSBOT1RFIFdFTEwsIHdo aWNoIGlzIHByZXNlbnRlZCBhdCAqZXZlcnkgc2luZ2xlIHNlc3Npb24qIGl0IHBvaW50cyB0byB0 aGUgcHJpdmFjeSBwb2xpY3ksIGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmlldGYub3JnL3ByaXZhY3ktc3RhdGVtZW50 Lywgd2hpY2ggYWRkcmVzc2VzIHRoaXMsIHNvIHlvdSdyZSB3cm9uZy4NCg0K From nobody Thu Jan 6 07:03:08 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC183A0E43 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 07:03:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.045 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.045 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.714, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KutFXYcEMKYL for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 07:03:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from oxalide-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5FDA3A0E40 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 07:03:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by oxalide-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 206F2uiK029823; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 16:02:56 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id A3628205A21; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 16:02:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet2-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr (muguet2-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.13]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963792059F1; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 16:02:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.35.150] (is154594.intra.cea.fr [10.8.35.150]) by muguet2-sys.intra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 206F2u2g025442; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 16:02:56 +0100 Message-ID: <6006d351-fc96-e469-e29b-371386af8132@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 16:02:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.4.1 Content-Language: fr To: "Salz, Rich" , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" References: <97FA19C6-137D-43BF-814F-4DC65DAAD137@apple.com> <2c576c11-e793-7a3d-2b92-2c199c12c6d8@gmail.com> <96cef71e-59a5-cbdf-c46b-811c0acf8197@gmail.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] photo of person rights Downloadable meeting audio not linked on the datatracker. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 15:03:06 -0000 Le 06/01/2022 à 15:33, Salz, Rich a écrit : > >> Also I wondered how comes nobody asks the IETF presenters for >> their > approval for their images to be shown publicly on youtube. > > If you read the NOTE WELL, which is presented at *every single > session* it points to the privacy policy, > https://www.ietf.org/privacy-statement/, which addresses this, so > you're wrong. Right, I was wrong. I think there is much information in the Note Well and I missed some. Thanks! The paragraph in question is this: > We also collect audio, pictorial and video recording, during and in > connection with our events, meetings and conferences. All such > information may be made public and used by us in connection with the > activities of the IETF/IRTF/IAB. That text is protection for the IETF organizer even though it does not help much the IETFer who needs the audio. An ideal protection would be empowering and would sound like this: 'we warn you we photograph you if you do not disagree, and you can find that photo and audio whenever you want, there'. Alex From nobody Fri Jan 7 16:51:11 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88EB3A12D7 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2022 16:51:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.245 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.245 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=1.651, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=rtfm-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aQckoZVh0ZEN for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2022 16:51:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io1-xd34.google.com (mail-io1-xd34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80A473A12D6 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2022 16:51:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io1-xd34.google.com with SMTP id s6so9329803ioj.0 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 16:51:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rtfm-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=OBSRXs6v6ap2usSk1aleasG51X7FCIObXNR71nHm9A4=; b=cMpskNEQbqt0HARUx6/DbT7nQ8k74dgyQs41tczncv6LYbtzFgCzT2PCc/GdtlwG5H YyfojEScjkShQ2UbJuCPRqbKOiPFhesa4Y09qEzojNu+jz1qTxYlTRDxIuRPWr5WSs0x ZD4onG/boi4GFVANUxDjMREsXVKxfQjXyRWIYI0b48z4248P39cloY2KhsVVYQ3vSC4l dz2xf8E9KMHpXkIO/isH0q/jsa7LWhgTSLWPC2jSenoiz0+l++bQf1gSlEdaJ30BC90P FADgpzqXQwEtOatO6Dl3KgHExUrFORZ0o4uUn9b/SLPoANCp9q9XiUXlsCQZFQCQm2eG hIAw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=OBSRXs6v6ap2usSk1aleasG51X7FCIObXNR71nHm9A4=; b=U+0FddISjSZ1kn0ecrIHa5W21Iz2iCpifumwtIBOWwjTkmL339r2eNqKHd0HWlXiHH 8t1rEuTfGmEG219bz4HIW+b1AGZltzrUSULEAuegsrOMORaVgKbbzfWRsOVVtFTbDjB2 13qCmoVUQlRzqAQ8AFQmXTdoHRjAYfin5L1v4kwVgDwWOsJ2GEu8gQG3SiEn3TrdAb2b Tk8mddCvBIRACMr6xxVFUK5BRcbLbYcFzbgayBVDD/jqaoIMJ/ye/J4O3GSFQULf4CIA qPJgCsCstyahJ+jJqGU7PO7Q+7vYu/Ej+5X+fWtCI0mjeU99JNJf81fQZNTsQ2wDlp1N Cy4A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533hzjvpFveqO4omThL8+4VvaVWIpjU0NRk621uzYBq3lnJ/R/cu 6t4KU3Fh91s2+MpKqgxIG6wOztNlxkjpfypGYK5JjtT0cv9ePA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyaby8ZOIxKqzgm1Dt1+NHtV62Q2XOsvSmWhYn9plHi2HLULSU20zspjSf9nM87DlJEzJm8TUhUfZJp9sH+n6s= X-Received: by 2002:a02:ba8b:: with SMTP id g11mr30076894jao.20.1641603063331; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 16:51:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Eric Rescorla Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 16:50:27 -0800 Message-ID: To: tools-discuss Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="00000000000073f5f705d5077f91" Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc rendering of X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2022 00:51:10 -0000 --00000000000073f5f705d5077f91 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000073f5f605d5077f90" --00000000000073f5f605d5077f90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi folks, When generating txt, xml2rfc renders with a superfluous space between the affiliation and the email address, like so: Eric Rescorla RTFM, Inc. Email: ekr@rtfm.com This is not true in the HTML version, which looks sensible: [image: image.png] How hard would it be to address this? -Ekr --00000000000073f5f605d5077f90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi folks,

When generating tx= t, xml2rfc renders <contact> with a superfluous space between the aff= iliation and the email address, like so:
   Eric Rescorla
   RTFM, Inc.

   Email: ekr@rtfm.com

This is not true in the HTML=
 version, which looks sensible:

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How har= d would it be to address this?

-Ekr

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([2406:e003:1071:1701:80b2:5c79:2266:e431]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h1sm154537pfi.109.2022.01.07.17.36.23 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 07 Jan 2022 17:36:24 -0800 (PST) To: Eric Rescorla , tools-discuss References: From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2022 14:36:20 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc rendering of X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2022 01:36:31 -0000 That blank line has been there in .txt format RFCs for many years, including RFC2223 and RFC7322. So I assume it was intentional to generate it in xml2rfc. Regards Brian On 08-Jan-22 13:50, Eric Rescorla wrote: > Hi folks, > > When generating txt, xml2rfc renders with a superfluous space between the affiliation and the email address, like so: > > Eric Rescorla > RTFM, Inc. > > Email:ekr@rtfm.com > > This is not true in the HTML version, which looks sensible: > > image.png > How hard would it be to address this? > > -Ekr > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From nobody Fri Jan 7 17:39:46 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC3A3A13C6 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2022 17:39:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=rtfm-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dCryszxLN6HQ for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2022 17:39:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io1-xd2b.google.com (mail-io1-xd2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2379F3A13C4 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2022 17:39:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io1-xd2b.google.com with SMTP id y11so9345367iod.6 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 17:39:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rtfm-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=lNWJjvxWL/VBnj5gl37bJz7h80k8kDfbpH8yFdtUoMs=; b=Yf/2K2KqdgE34Nci2PWXore39jwhPd4q5Whowc8kms8H2MtgW+CKdFrXSWKnKxZ9G2 3bUM6wmRO04OU2AvaFlH0DjXMXEkIwUWx93zMHMFKpqTRA3ZDrykCBAjqFTkGXi3f6OI uEMI2fZU8KCF09GDlNoaoWiyTb0d9V1gKLYG3+/LVKxsprrZ4rYk+1uFB/uJ1a0RoKPH wdzPVmmyQBQEg7tP8t1jNPxc9d/xO5UuUma+9W8hn3CU5T4rstFHx3+G5VFMgVwR86M5 l7X3y/EaSRkL0w/+21t5PkbFuJUJgDD2j7y8g1corkbpDZZDaIe1qd/mEkvioD0fHizP Gq9Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lNWJjvxWL/VBnj5gl37bJz7h80k8kDfbpH8yFdtUoMs=; b=5aCg4dhJJqvAH/c+m5NRTQTSkPzmKpv8+QKnw1DdlTJ57TSX7XW0GIrmiKUvYiwpL0 oDUXDBxdnji61xqyl8uvwuY94h+GaU0VKOCgbujQsg5Kwgbb2MH2ld0pgcgegusBVyv/ lg3l7rmRrcRljDanUZB6DF2PxXmchh4Aj7FbjwuJZf0rVk8sks/H0AojLFCGBbfiHjys fOCvVWkUg1soMQk0XkqTJJcMaQlTtsKMA4hsVB4jztEfSMZmyTCU9v8fUh5hBd28AZ7U ZgiD9WXPvFGB5W+SGkj0l4huM8H5lb7/nMBxOB4CAGmjnnif2o3a7TjagGKHAdquyNFx tWFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5308LEv8H2Pt4yOTHXipuik7IWa8TzVTqrSDcQVHbhK7cJneKHfu v2Dz/3cFwQ9wOOATfOnjtRlpgfoQo5k9FGP4iHyPBa5162L5cw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwl6wZRq2Wp2ksxGA0JS0hKLdHuL8pOzTWeWAsxHglc8N7/HZTrxgJm20v4h7LNKz8yzLau+4xIAqudLBeNf1o= X-Received: by 2002:a5e:c018:: with SMTP id u24mr31203370iol.0.1641605979614; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 17:39:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Eric Rescorla Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 17:39:03 -0800 Message-ID: To: Brian E Carpenter Cc: tools-discuss Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000046c35605d5082d0a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc rendering of X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2022 01:39:45 -0000 --00000000000046c35605d5082d0a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do see what you mean. But when you have a list of people it's... not good= . For instance, here's how DTLS 1.3's contributors section is coming out: Hanno Becker Arm Limited Email: Hanno.Becker@arm.com David Benjamin Google Email: davidben@google.com Thomas Fossati Arm Limited Email: thomas.fossati@arm.com Tobias Gondrom Huawei Email: tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org Felix G=C3=BCnther ETH Zurich Email: mail@felixguenther.info Benjamin Kaduk Akamai Technologies Email: kaduk@mit.edu Ilari Liusvaara Independent Email: ilariliusvaara@welho.com Martin Thomson Mozilla Email: martin.thomson@gmail.com Christopher A. Wood Apple Inc. Email: cawood@apple.com Yin Xinxing Huawei Email: yinxinxing@huawei.com -Ekr On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 5:36 PM Brian E Carpenter < brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > That blank line has been there in .txt format RFCs for many years, > including RFC2223 and RFC7322. So I assume it was intentional to generate > it in xml2rfc. > > Regards > Brian > > On 08-Jan-22 13:50, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > When generating txt, xml2rfc renders with a superfluous space > between the affiliation and the email address, like so: > > > > Eric Rescorla > > RTFM, Inc. > > > > Email:ekr@rtfm.com > > > > This is not true in the HTML version, which looks sensible: > > > > image.png > > How hard would it be to address this? > > > > -Ekr > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > --00000000000046c35605d5082d0a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do see what you mean. But when you have a list of p= eople it's... not good.

For instance, here'= ;s how DTLS 1.3's contributors section is coming out:

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Hanno Becker
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Arm Limited

=C2=A0= =C2=A0Email: Hanno.Becker@arm.com<= /a>


=C2=A0 =C2=A0David Benjamin
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Google

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: davidben@google.= com


=C2=A0 =C2=A0Thomas Fossati
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Arm Limited<= br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: thomas= .fossati@arm.com


=C2=A0 =C2=A0Tobias Gondrom
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0Huawei

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org


=C2=A0 =C2=A0Felix G=C3= =BCnther
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ETH Zurich

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: mail@felixguenther.info


=C2= =A0 =C2=A0Benjamin Kaduk
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Akamai Technologies

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0Email: kaduk@mit.edu


= =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ilari Liusvaara
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Independent

=C2=A0 =C2= =A0Email: ilariliusvaara@welho.= com


=C2=A0 =C2=A0Martin Thomson
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Mozilla
<= br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: martin.t= homson@gmail.com


=C2=A0 =C2=A0Christopher A. Wood
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0Apple Inc.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: cawood@apple.com


=C2=A0 =C2=A0Yin Xinxing
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0Huawei

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: yinxinxing@huawei.com


-E= kr



=
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 5:36 PM Brian = E Carpenter <brian.e.carp= enter@gmail.com> wrote:
That blank line has been there in .txt format RFCs for many = years, including RFC2223 and RFC7322. So I assume it was intentional to gen= erate it in xml2rfc.

Regards
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Brian

On 08-Jan-22 13:50, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> When generating txt, xml2rfc renders <contact> with a superfluou= s space between the affiliation and the email address, like so:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Eric Rescorla
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0RTFM, Inc.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Email:ekr@rtfm.com=C2=A0 <mailto:ekr@rtfm.com>
>
> This is not true in the HTML version, which looks sensible:
>
> image.png
> How hard would it be to address this?
>
> -Ekr
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org
> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org<= br> > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org
> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org
> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): ht= tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss
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([2406:e003:1071:1701:80b2:5c79:2266:e431]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id lx8sm213090pjb.18.2022.01.07.17.44.17 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 07 Jan 2022 17:44:18 -0800 (PST) To: Eric Rescorla Cc: tools-discuss References: From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: <1378a87c-7d34-e488-6707-d4d9654c1c61@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2022 14:44:13 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc rendering of X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2022 01:44:26 -0000 Yes, it's ugly. Regards Brian Carpenter On 08-Jan-22 14:39, Eric Rescorla wrote: > I do see what you mean. But when you have a list of people it's... not = good. >=20 > For instance, here's how DTLS 1.3's contributors section is coming out:= >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0 Hanno Becker > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Arm Limited >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: Hanno.Becker@arm.com = >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0David Benjamin > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Google >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: davidben@google.com >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thomas Fossati > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Arm Limited >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: thomas.fossati@arm.com >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Tobias Gondrom > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Huawei >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Felix G=C3=BCnther > =C2=A0 =C2=A0ETH Zurich >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: mail@felixguenther.info >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Benjamin Kaduk > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Akamai Technologies >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: kaduk@mit.edu >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ilari Liusvaara > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Independent >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: ilariliusvaara@welho.com >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Martin Thomson > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Mozilla >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: martin.thomson@gmail.com >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Christopher A. Wood > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Apple Inc. >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: cawood@apple.com >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Yin Xinxing > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Huawei >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: yinxinxing@huawei.com >=20 >=20 > -Ekr >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 5:36 PM Brian E Carpenter > wrote: >=20 > That blank line has been there in .txt format RFCs for many years, = including RFC2223 and RFC7322. So I assume it was intentional to generate=20 it in xml2rfc. >=20 > Regards > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Brian >=20 > On 08-Jan-22 13:50, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > When generating txt, xml2rfc renders with a superfluou= s space between the affiliation and the email address, like so: > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Eric Rescorla > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0RTFM, Inc. > > > > Email:ekr@rtfm.com =C2=A0 > > > > > This is not true in the HTML version, which looks sensible: > > > > image.png > > How hard would it be to address this? > > > > -Ekr > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug repo= rts. > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-projec= t@ietf.org > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmast= er@tools.ietf.org > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/m= ailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > >=20 From nobody Fri Jan 7 20:08:31 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6F53A0E63 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2022 20:08:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.994 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.994 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.399, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.714, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TJzbdGQFkraz for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2022 20:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C7363A0E62 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2022 20:08:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.114] ([47.186.34.206]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 20848Glp016641 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 7 Jan 2022 22:08:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1641614897; bh=dE+lI1ewadKYmODyAdhCrQ1eB7CeawRir20JPdXPZyo=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=Jcef8o0X+RWHS7BLM76hyg/yWW6D6y2wFXwA0Wwqwmp1ar8ZhaHrchl9UxI43OecJ 5/Mvu20FEzJF2qUtGa+UI2fToKppWNLBqhK9rAY2gVsROmcJ6Fh0mWJ+KY8MYyNMBQ X8+kGgBYJN1Fe7DnQvaLmOdVqo9EB4/Tkd56j9rU= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.34.206] claimed to be [192.168.1.114] Message-ID: <97f91d44-80ae-8334-e4a1-1929bbee4357@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 22:08:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.4.1 Content-Language: en-US To: Brian E Carpenter , Eric Rescorla Cc: tools-discuss References: <1378a87c-7d34-e488-6707-d4d9654c1c61@gmail.com> From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <1378a87c-7d34-e488-6707-d4d9654c1c61@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc rendering of X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2022 04:08:29 -0000 Unless there's a strong reason to keep it, even if ugly, let's change it. On 1/7/22 7:44 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Yes, it's ugly. > > Regards >    Brian Carpenter > > On 08-Jan-22 14:39, Eric Rescorla wrote: >> I do see what you mean. But when you have a list of people it's... >> not good. >> >> For instance, here's how DTLS 1.3's contributors section is coming out: >> >>     Hanno Becker >>     Arm Limited >> >>     Email: Hanno.Becker@arm.com >> >> >>     David Benjamin >>     Google >> >>     Email: davidben@google.com >> >> >>     Thomas Fossati >>     Arm Limited >> >>     Email: thomas.fossati@arm.com >> >> >>     Tobias Gondrom >>     Huawei >> >>     Email: tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org >> >> >> >>     Felix Günther >>     ETH Zurich >> >>     Email: mail@felixguenther.info >> >> >>     Benjamin Kaduk >>     Akamai Technologies >> >>     Email: kaduk@mit.edu >> >> >>     Ilari Liusvaara >>     Independent >> >>     Email: ilariliusvaara@welho.com >> >> >>     Martin Thomson >>     Mozilla >> >>     Email: martin.thomson@gmail.com >> >> >>     Christopher A. Wood >>     Apple Inc. >> >>     Email: cawood@apple.com >> >> >>     Yin Xinxing >>     Huawei >> >>     Email: yinxinxing@huawei.com >> >> >> -Ekr >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 5:36 PM Brian E Carpenter >> > >> wrote: >> >>     That blank line has been there in .txt format RFCs for many >> years, including RFC2223 and RFC7322. So I assume it was intentional >> to generate > it in xml2rfc. >> >>     Regards >>          Brian >> >>     On 08-Jan-22 13:50, Eric Rescorla wrote: >>      > Hi folks, >>      > >>      > When generating txt, xml2rfc renders with a >> superfluous space between the affiliation and the email address, like >> so: >>      > >>      >     Eric Rescorla >>      >     RTFM, Inc. >>      > >>      > Email:ekr@rtfm.com   >> > >>      > >>      > This is not true in the HTML version, which looks sensible: >>      > >>      > image.png >>      > How hard would it be to address this? >>      > >>      > -Ekr >>      > >>      > >>      > >>      > ___________________________________________________________ >>      > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> >>      > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug >> reports. >>      > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>      > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: >> webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>      > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> >>      > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >>      > >> > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Tue Jan 11 12:01:51 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0173A1065 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:01:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.812 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.812 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.714, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sF81-kG4Ogxt for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:01:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pl1-x629.google.com (mail-pl1-x629.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::629]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 029F63A12EC for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:01:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pl1-x629.google.com with SMTP id i6so546999pla.0 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:01:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UKiAmoZLKajpsG2SNdp/+wdD0xNSCywBc9e7mxP8Ufk=; b=JV6AVR57xQM+ZtVe7vJ2JbBdEzOjPELVkFwE7YNnAZeaWlFTN14nitRA09owgtWCGm 18+XhCZy0rY63KnATY/A1BAKXhDy+zQQm7Rj6m6grsujiWTNDEZsv4Eqh/i6OQZL8xoi ZgPA6AybquLo7W85ESJ6piQX96GEesDDK1OR4EumJ2s0RdzadXy7kim39/i131JSnSfb FMHy1pc8K7ZtS+Xk6p6LU99cFz7wQuLY/ASCfuuaw+7ZVmTEBjfAUUdPRHYY042Yt+0Y 31Bh7Ttq0IPLkIyZePOQzxw2ZgsKW6hfuKeMoPeVKrYZawJEFipnOMJygsVQZnYD9mdH FhoQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UKiAmoZLKajpsG2SNdp/+wdD0xNSCywBc9e7mxP8Ufk=; b=cQHIHTAEcYxDNtLHQMurnMsI3c5+KYWBR+ervMqzlr3/jMdvycTPheceU8Vjz1W0Dw 8sq7cBbZE462KT8lGaRIjJHKg6rlhU+P6Tmtnr1MjBJfsLRjEUDp35X7Nf+fwxXC0dZJ 5uGZMGUj9Jbv3OlLcUJgz6sVfKM20j5AiQl0m7ad2XvyzNr9EGXKlhJDh5L0XPHVLsBG 2FSvr3r+TJstL4umdC+OjMQnFWSF6f4g4zAuM+ahTAfgavhQ2WRPK81Uafm9sNXd/WOT 59sCtF6MGRXXoTS7KbP6uHosPyYKBvsjNO8uGsIOtX6di3QOEo4wvFq2oB0bAgO1zKqp g/iA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532lFyxq7AiSJa79qYcJIuIFf2QxC3N3rgb4eNJZhwlco18ghK/W TOeWC1QbFUanrDbBZQ/n+R7bU12zVymH4Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzu91RIdrIXDT1jZhbzUI4HfsZZ142QaVeCiXg2ExyX1GsvNDyd04SQM2LweQ0z09ewiHBrwA== X-Received: by 2002:aa7:8481:0:b0:4bf:4e1:c93c with SMTP id u1-20020aa78481000000b004bf04e1c93cmr5850531pfn.7.1641931263917; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:01:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2406:e003:1071:1701:80b2:5c79:2266:e431? ([2406:e003:1071:1701:80b2:5c79:2266:e431]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a9sm10790700pfo.169.2022.01.11.12.01.01 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:01:03 -0800 (PST) To: Robert Sparks , Eric Rescorla Cc: tools-discuss References: <1378a87c-7d34-e488-6707-d4d9654c1c61@gmail.com> <97f91d44-80ae-8334-e4a1-1929bbee4357@nostrum.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: <235ddd3b-c388-649e-694f-7e3e590ab0eb@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 09:00:58 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <97f91d44-80ae-8334-e4a1-1929bbee4357@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc rendering of X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 20:01:50 -0000 However, it seems like a style guide issue in the RFC Editor Service's remit. (If anybody still cares about the style guide for plain text.) Regards Brian On 08-Jan-22 17:08, Robert Sparks wrote: > Unless there's a strong reason to keep it, even if ugly, let's change i= t. >=20 > On 1/7/22 7:44 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> Yes, it's ugly. >> >> Regards >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 Brian Carpenter >> >> On 08-Jan-22 14:39, Eric Rescorla wrote: >>> I do see what you mean. But when you have a list of people it's... >>> not good. >>> >>> For instance, here's how DTLS 1.3's contributors section is coming ou= t: >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Hanno Becker >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Arm Limited >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: Hanno.Becker@arm.com >>> >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0David Benjamin >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Google >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: davidben@google.com >>> >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Thomas Fossati >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Arm Limited >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: thomas.fossati@arm.com >>> >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Tobias Gondrom >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Huawei >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org >>> >>> >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Felix G=C3=BCnther >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0ETH Zurich >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: mail@felixguenther.info >>> >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Benjamin Kaduk >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Akamai Technologies >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: kaduk@mit.edu >>> >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Ilari Liusvaara >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Independent >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: ilariliusvaara@welho.com >>> >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Martin Thomson >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Mozilla >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: martin.thomson@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Christopher A. Wood >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Apple Inc. >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: cawood@apple.com = >>> >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Yin Xinxing >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Huawei >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Email: yinxinxing@huawei.com >>> >>> >>> -Ekr >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 5:36 PM Brian E Carpenter >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 That blank line has been there in .txt format RFC= s for many >>> years, including RFC2223 and RFC7322. So I assume it was intentional >>> to generate >> it in xml2rfc. >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Regards >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Brian >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 On 08-Jan-22 13:50, Eric Rescorla wrote: >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > Hi folks, >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > When generating txt, xml2rfc renders with a >>> superfluous space between the affiliation and the email address, like= >>> so: >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Eric Rescorla >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0RTFM, Inc. >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > Email:ekr@rtfm.com >>> > >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > This is not true in the HTML version, whi= ch looks sensible: >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > image.png >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > How hard would it be to address this? >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > -Ekr >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > _________________________________________= __________________ >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discus= s@ietf.org >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > This list is for discussion, not for acti= on requests or bug >>> reports. >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs=20 to: >>> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: >>> webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > * Report all other bugs or issues to: iet= f-action@ietf.org >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > List info (including how to Unsubscribe):= >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > >>> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Tue Jan 11 12:13:58 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0553A12CE for ; 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Wed, 12 Jan 2022 06:15:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1378a87c-7d34-e488-6707-d4d9654c1c61@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Eric Rescorla Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 06:14:51 -0800 Message-ID: To: Julian Reschke Cc: tools-discuss Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000099b6ed05d5633384" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc rendering of X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 14:15:35 -0000 --00000000000099b6ed05d5633384 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:42 PM Julian Reschke wrote: > Am 08.01.2022 um 02:44 schrieb Brian E Carpenter: > > Yes, it's ugly. > > > > Regards > > Brian Carpenter > > 1) We shouldn't care about ugliness in the plain text version. > I don't agree with that. 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On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:42 PM Julia= n Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.d= e> wrote:
Am 08.01.2022 um 02:44 schrieb Brian E Carpenter:
> Yes, it's ugly.
>
> Regards
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Brian Carpenter

1) We shouldn't care about ugliness in the plain text version.

I don't agree with that. But to the extent = to which you don't care what the text version looks like, when perhaps = we can accommodate people who do.
=C2=A0

2) Changing this *might* disrupt scripts that mine for author
information (and yes, these should change to use the XML when available)

As could any change of any kind., This se= ems like a weak reason.

-Ekr
=C2=A0
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Best regards, Julian

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I can not see it there. $ brew info rfcdiff larseggert/mytap/rfcdiff: stable 1.46 [pinned at 1.46] Generate diffs between RFCs or Internet-Drafts $ brew install larseggert/mytap/rfcdiff Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Jan 12 12:48:39 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0513A1C9A for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 12:48:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jgaUG6ElhGOu for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 12:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-il1-x131.google.com (mail-il1-x131.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DC2E3A1C98 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 12:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-il1-x131.google.com with SMTP id e8so3567733ilm.13 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 12:48:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Dv4rpbA1HsKA4mYyh2LebTkDmxSXLxzofDcL79tQkh0=; b=f1uejZp1JCUFHOq73DkfLefh5DSpVHw4oxNr2oOw/kGoXyreimmnhA9pacbWW9AYPT kSRevQ/FVjftj/IlJsioHeuKJV5OBVRcxeSRjJTnqq66hWYZEm1ybhjQxXRineJsC41x YC/PU5v+072aEqg9fOomOj14gLS2igmuL6lchArH7sHjoQc7xFjp4v5Cvg5Vl1x1VO62 WNJ2rDwKvs82segbJ1n7nnnQHDHT4DRrYxdNcDEc1XJB+DBgxruNl81tuUc+kS3o+1DZ NIfQHYy4t4osWEg3zj2jGiQF2oOiY+I3lBl9+52LCCnDNVab1dfZ4h8FK/XQ38fDyMRl qBig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Dv4rpbA1HsKA4mYyh2LebTkDmxSXLxzofDcL79tQkh0=; b=EmrQaZEucTnofkH8TEYt6CdRJkwvRMq/uRHHJ0XY6P31OiF0Kmqf5SpfdwFaZmdbOJ vKH9pRAtqw9XxUUgV7PbarCGSDeeFbEB9K95ZD05peiVS6rVa/0MoKyjaEWz4+yedD/0 llmX1whww/BmNGbV2BgRLAnJln9M2ugNMKfsZzaKamjWng1Zs1MkoF7UjYk6SdQLIiWu PXwi2ogU4DNK8PKHmgCpuFp6vIGIfqmotZn0SDOif5ZuCvPNI7Bs4k78gfPSeLhqfh4m fw5S5xTmY+BPiNu6d8SYsMf5w/9U86rSMYWcPghohD/7OxaYjF9ACRTCqY7SncrCsNR1 BZhg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531gLljgleaxc1gj7nuGcQClofFoOjixDtBWdTF4aZFkIEmZq0wO 8EBiaIp3JOOaP+IkXxmo7WPliJChFG2tfL2e9YW1Du2nNHqucA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyZNcNciEFTKpi9+/oo3u5z7zGV7SnpRAqen+BXmu6yNQ2AGXHEqgCGTKJEUG9SdEloq30+UzInHDyKqcaQRa0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:180e:: with SMTP id a14mr840275ilv.300.1642020511565; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 12:48:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <89CBD30F-40C4-4F38-82F6-BD1C8E2F174F@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <89CBD30F-40C4-4F38-82F6-BD1C8E2F174F@juniper.net> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:48:15 -0500 Message-ID: To: John Scudder Cc: Toerless Eckert , tools-discuss Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004e4e7c05d568b187" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tools.ietf.org down ? rfcdiff ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 20:48:38 -0000 --0000000000004e4e7c05d568b187 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Toerless, Also, check out https://authors.ietf.org/tools-catalog . Cheers, Andy On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:40 PM John Scudder wrote: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff > > =E2=80=94John > > On Jan 12, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > Is tools.ietf.org down ? Its either unreachable or takes terribly long... > > Is rfcdiff availabble on authors.ietf.org ? 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Toerless,


Cheers,
Andy

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:40 PM John Scudder <jgs=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wro= te:

=E2=80=94John

On Jan 12, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Toerless Eckert <= tte@cs.fau.de> wr= ote:

Is tools.ietf.org= down ? Its either unreachable or takes terribly long...

Is rfcdiff availabble on authors.ietf.org ? I can not see it there.

Cheers
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Toerless

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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 22:26:25 -0000 On 13/01/22 8:28 am, Toerless Eckert wrote: > Is tools.ietf.org down ? Its either unreachable or takes terribly long... > > Is rfcdiff availabble on authors.ietf.org ? I can not see it there. 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This is the same code and database used by the sandbox - changes made at sandbox will be reflected at sandbox-cf and vice-versa. If you are not already familiar with the sandbox, it is a test instance of the datatracker that has its database overwritten with the nightly developers database dump. (https://www.ietf.org/chairs/datatracker-sandbox/). It is safe to change things there - the information at datatracker.ietf.org will not be affected in any way. Please exercise sandbox-cf.ietf.org  and help us find places where the caching that we configured leads to incorrect behavior of the application. https://sandbox-cf.ietf.org/ RjS From nobody Thu Jan 13 17:59:02 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEAC3A14F0 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 17:59:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pezSLdfkULJ2 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 17:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from c8a.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B65D3A14EE for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 17:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66740425A344; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 17:58:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kFLYFW1C2qgV; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 17:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (2603-8000-9603-b513-f0e8-6bc4-e2f5-07b5.res6.spectrum.com [IPv6:2603:8000:9603:b513:f0e8:6bc4:e2f5:7b5]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 392B4424B435; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 17:58:56 -0800 (PST) From: Sandy Ginoza Message-Id: <0C3FE6A4-9099-4134-8A17-194DF410E068@amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BA8ED417-6598-472C-9090-854F343D3CB7" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 17:58:55 -0800 In-Reply-To: Cc: Julian Reschke , tools-discuss To: Eric Rescorla References: <1378a87c-7d34-e488-6707-d4d9654c1c61@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc rendering of X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 01:59:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_BA8ED417-6598-472C-9090-854F343D3CB7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi all, So, there is a Style Guide component in that RFC 7322 = includes the = following: At the discretion of the author(s), contact addresses may also be included in the Contributors section, for those contributors whose knowledge makes them useful future contacts for information about the RFC. The format of any contact information should be similar to the format of information in the Author's Address section. It sounds like we=E2=80=99re leaning toward changing the format of the = Contributors to remove the blank line that appears before email. I = propose we remove it from the Authors=E2=80=99 Addresses section as = well. Then the format for Contributors and Authors=E2=80=99 Addresses = will be the same, and the format will match across outputs. =20 Thanks, Sandy=20 > On Jan 12, 2022, at 6:14 AM, Eric Rescorla wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:42 PM Julian Reschke = wrote: > Am 08.01.2022 um 02:44 schrieb Brian E Carpenter: > > Yes, it's ugly. > > > > Regards > > Brian Carpenter >=20 > 1) We shouldn't care about ugliness in the plain text version. >=20 > I don't agree with that. But to the extent to which you don't care = what the text version looks like, when perhaps we can accommodate people = who do. > =20 >=20 > 2) Changing this *might* disrupt scripts that mine for author > information (and yes, these should change to use the XML when = available) >=20 > As could any change of any kind., This seems like a weak reason. >=20 > -Ekr > =20 >=20 > Best regards, Julian >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --Apple-Mail=_BA8ED417-6598-472C-9090-854F343D3CB7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi all,

So, there is a Style Guide component in = that RFC 7322 includes the following:

  =  At the
   discretion of the = author(s), contact addresses may also be included
   in the Contributors section, for those = contributors whose knowledge
   makes = them useful future contacts for information about the RFC. =  The
   format of any contact = information should be similar to the format of
 =  information in the Author's Address section.

It sounds like we=E2=80=99= re leaning toward changing the format of the Contributors to remove the = blank line that appears before email.  I propose we remove it from = the Authors=E2=80=99 Addresses section as well.  Then the format = for Contributors and Authors=E2=80=99 Addresses will be the same, and = the format will match across outputs.  

Thanks,
Sandy 



On Jan 12, 2022, at 6:14 AM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:



On Tue, Jan 11, = 2022 at 9:42 PM Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
Am = 08.01.2022 um 02:44 schrieb Brian E Carpenter:
> Yes, = it's ugly.
>
> Regards
>     Brian Carpenter

1) We shouldn't care about ugliness in the plain text = version.

I don't agree with that. But to = the extent to which you don't care what the text version looks like, = when perhaps we can accommodate people who do.
 

2) Changing this *might* = disrupt scripts that mine for author
information (and yes, = these should change to use the XML when available)

As could any change of any kind., This seems like a weak = reason.

-Ekr
 

Best regards, Julian

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It's confusing there as well. -Ekr On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 5:58 PM Sandy Ginoza wrote: > Hi all, > > So, there is a Style Guide component in that RFC 7322 > includes the > following: > > At the > discretion of the author(s), contact addresses may also be included > in the Contributors section, for those contributors whose knowledge > makes them useful future contacts for information about the RFC. The > format of any contact information should be similar to the format of > information in the Author's Address section. > > It sounds like we=E2=80=99re leaning toward changing the format of the > Contributors to remove the blank line that appears before email. I propo= se > we remove it from the Authors=E2=80=99 Addresses section as well. Then t= he format > for Contributors and Authors=E2=80=99 Addresses will be the same, and the= format > will match across outputs. > > Thanks, > Sandy > > > > On Jan 12, 2022, at 6:14 AM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:42 PM Julian Reschke > wrote: > Am 08.01.2022 um 02:44 schrieb Brian E Carpenter: > > Yes, it's ugly. > > > > Regards > > Brian Carpenter > > 1) We shouldn't care about ugliness in the plain text version. > > I don't agree with that. But to the extent to which you don't care what > the text version looks like, when perhaps we can accommodate people who d= o. > > > 2) Changing this *might* disrupt scripts that mine for author > information (and yes, these should change to use the XML when available) > > As could any change of any kind., This seems like a weak reason. > > -Ekr > > > Best regards, Julian > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.or= g > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.or= g > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > --000000000000fca3e905d58197e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That sounds good to me. It's confusing there as w= ell.

-Ekr


On Thu, Jan 13, = 2022 at 5:58 PM Sandy Ginoza <sginoz= a@amsl.com> wrote:
Hi all,

=
So, there is a Style Guide component in that=C2=A0RFC 7322= =C2=A0includes the following:

=C2=A0 =C2= =A0At the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0discretion of the author(s), contact addre= sses may also be included
=C2=A0 =C2=A0in the Contributors sectio= n, for those contributors whose knowledge
=C2=A0 =C2=A0makes them= useful future contacts for information about the RFC.=C2=A0 The
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0format of any contact information should be similar to the for= mat of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0information in the Author's Address secti= on.

It sounds like we=E2=80=99re leaning tow= ard changing the format of the Contributors to remove the blank line that a= ppears before email.=C2=A0 I propose we remove it from the Authors=E2=80=99= Addresses section as well.=C2=A0 Then the format for Contributors and Auth= ors=E2=80=99 Addresses will be the same, and the format will match across o= utputs. =C2=A0

Thanks,
Sandy=C2=A0
=



On Jan 12, 2022, at 6= :14 AM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:



On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:42 PM= Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 08.01.2022 um 02:44 schrieb = Brian E Carpenter:
> Yes, it's ugly.
>
> Regards
&= gt; =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Brian Carpenter

1) We shouldn't care about ugl= iness in the plain text version.

I don't agree with that. But to= the extent to which you don't care what the text version looks like, w= hen perhaps we=C2=A0can accommodate people who do.
=C2=A0

2) Chan= ging this *might* disrupt scripts that mine for author
information (and = yes, these should change to use the XML when available)

As could any= change of any kind., This seems like a weak reason.

-Ekr
=C2=A0<= br>
Best regards, Julian

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([2600:1700:4383:c05f:f48c:3539:f78d:a6e1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r11sm5055506wrz.78.2022.01.13.20.10.12 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Jan 2022 20:10:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Hinden Message-Id: <42186D73-C743-4AF5-A535-0DC899882BCF@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A13BE5E7-B8D0-4A1C-8A3A-1587B8D99BCB"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.21\)) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 20:10:09 -0800 In-Reply-To: Cc: Bob Hinden , Sandy Ginoza , Julian Reschke , tools-discuss To: Eric Rescorla References: <1378a87c-7d34-e488-6707-d4d9654c1c61@gmail.com> <0C3FE6A4-9099-4134-8A17-194DF410E068@amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc rendering of X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 04:10:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A13BE5E7-B8D0-4A1C-8A3A-1587B8D99BCB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I agree as well. Bob > On Jan 13, 2022, at 6:30 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: >=20 > That sounds good to me. It's confusing there as well. >=20 > -Ekr >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 5:58 PM Sandy Ginoza wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > So, there is a Style Guide component in that RFC 7322 includes the = following: >=20 > At the > discretion of the author(s), contact addresses may also be included > in the Contributors section, for those contributors whose knowledge > makes them useful future contacts for information about the RFC. = The > format of any contact information should be similar to the format = of > information in the Author's Address section. >=20 > It sounds like we=E2=80=99re leaning toward changing the format of the = Contributors to remove the blank line that appears before email. I = propose we remove it from the Authors=E2=80=99 Addresses section as = well. Then the format for Contributors and Authors=E2=80=99 Addresses = will be the same, and the format will match across outputs. >=20 > Thanks, > Sandy >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Jan 12, 2022, at 6:14 AM, Eric Rescorla wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:42 PM Julian Reschke = wrote: >> Am 08.01.2022 um 02:44 schrieb Brian E Carpenter: >> > Yes, it's ugly. >> > >> > Regards >> > Brian Carpenter >>=20 >> 1) We shouldn't care about ugliness in the plain text version. >>=20 >> I don't agree with that. But to the extent to which you don't care = what the text version looks like, when perhaps we can accommodate people = who do. >>=20 >>=20 >> 2) Changing this *might* disrupt scripts that mine for author >> information (and yes, these should change to use the XML when = available) >>=20 >> As could any change of any kind., This seems like a weak reason. >>=20 >> -Ekr >>=20 >>=20 >> Best regards, Julian >>=20 >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --Apple-Mail=_A13BE5E7-B8D0-4A1C-8A3A-1587B8D99BCB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; 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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 22:08:16 -0000 Currently, when I ask for=20 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-iri-3987bis I get to=20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-iri-3987bis=20 which gives me a TXT+hyperlink styled HTML document with a header [Search] [txt|xml|pdf|pdfized|bibtex] [Tracker] [WG] [Email] [Diff1] = [Diff2] [Nits] Versions: (draft-duerst-iri-bis) 00 01 02 03 04 Standards Track 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 =20 And only later the Expires: date. It seems some thought went into segregating and minimizing the discernable differences between the text as it appears in this representation of the document and the other representations. Only the header changes over time (when a document is superseded or expires). People make references to documents and use those references for all kinds of reasons, and for many use cases the document status Is irrelevant. Some modest improvements might be: * Don't hyperlink to version NN from version NN. That would make it slightly clearer at a glance if you're not looking at the latest = version. * Move [Tracker] to the first (is [Search] useful? How did they get = here?) * If you ARE looking at the latest version, AND it is Expired, replace the word "Tracker" with "Expired" (keeping the link to the = tracker). This would make the first word [Expired]. [Expired] [txt|xml|pdf|pdfized] [bibtex] [WG] [Email] [Diff1] [Diff2] = [Nits] In this use case for stable URLs for a 10 year old Internet Draft, the = draft is awaiting reconciliation with https://url.spec.whatwg.org/ (perhaps using https://github.com/alwinb/url-specification) -- https://LarryMasinter.net https://interlisp.org From nobody Sun Jan 23 23:09:31 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A27E3A1E9B for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2022 23:09:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GIemQEAc6y4G for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2022 23:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C1693A1E98 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2022 23:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (p5089a5d9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.165.217]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Jj1Lm6TPczDCf2; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 08:09:20 +0100 (CET) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 08:09:20 +0100 Message-Id: To: tools-discuss X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] I-D names ending in -[0-9][0-9] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 07:09:29 -0000 *** reference.I-D.spaghetti-idr-deprecate-8-9-10.xml: *** Status code = 404 while fetching = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/bibxml3/draft-spaghetti-idr-deprecate-8-9= -10.xml While the version-numbered link does exist: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/bibxml3/draft-spaghetti-idr-deprecate-8-9= -10-00.xml I thought we had this nailed=E2=80=A6 (Maybe we should have disallowed draft names ending in -[0-9][0-9] ? = But that=E2=80=99s too late now.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Jan 24 05:38:12 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AFB3A1501 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 05:38:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sk9DMp9-NIf6 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 05:38:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A6223A14FC for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 05:38:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089a6b7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Jj9zF1NL4zDCcg; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 14:38:01 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 14:38:00 +0100 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 664724280.713318-17afc6334bdd6c72430b64364f373280 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <47E18CD5-2FCB-4218-B0F9-C3BA23672282@tzi.org> References: To: tools-discuss X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] I-D names ending in -[0-9][0-9] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:38:10 -0000 On 2022-01-24, at 08:09, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > (Maybe we should have disallowed draft names ending in -[0-9][0-9] ? = But that=E2=80=99s too late now.) And while we are at that, we could disallow submitting v3 drafts with = different names in /rfc/@docName and /rfc/front/seriesInfo/@value =E2=80=94= I=E2=80=99ve seen different parts of the toolchain pick up different = values from those two places, which can get very confusing. (Some 255 = I-Ds have inconsistencies here, including at least one I co-authored = :-), so this is not a theoretical concern.) 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B= ut that=E2=80=99s too late now.) > > And while we are at that, we could disallow submitting v3 drafts with di= fferent names in /rfc/@docName and /rfc/front/seriesInfo/@value =E2=80=94 = I=E2=80=99ve seen different parts of the toolchain pick up different value= s from those two places, which can get very confusing. (Some 255 I-Ds hav= e inconsistencies here, including at least one I co-authored :-), so this = is not a theoretical concern.) Even better would be to eliminate the option to put the same thing into two places... 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Are you re-raising this as a grammar change we should consider? The original 799x proposal turned out to be quite problematic - especially when a document might have more than one bit of series info (something published as a BCP (and necessarily as an RFC), for example. There were other rough spots called out starting at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implementation-notes-13#section-3.1.18. IIRC, list discussion around this and similar changes pointed out the issue with changing what people expect, both as authors and as tool maintainers. If we did want to change the vocabulary, perhaps we give up on the reuse of seriesInfo in front, and build a structure that unambiguously declares the name, and a list of other names the document might go by. Whatever we do, finding the name shouldn't become more difficult than the current, where it's possible to pull the name of the document out with a fairly simple regex. > > Best regards, Julian > > (and yes: > https://github.com/reschke/xml2rfc/blob/ff4ff07ad7e3871ec6e68fe0c709c76778c7f8a9/rfc2629.xslt#L3182-L3186) > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Mon Jan 24 07:42:24 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EF73A0FC6 for ; 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For some value of "re-raising". See . (That issue has been open for 5 years now...). IMHO the simplest thing to do is to undo the changes to seriesInfo, un-deprecate what we have in RFC 7749, and then see whether something is missing. Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon Jan 24 16:50:43 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7DF3A1A5E for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 16:50:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g_dvpbmyy81f for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 16:50:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 087573A1A5C for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 16:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (p5089a6b7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4JjSv95brFzDCbL; Tue, 25 Jan 2022 01:50:29 +0100 (CET) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 01:50:29 +0100 References: <9707ADDA-238C-4853-889F-F156017D0A8E@eggert.org> To: tools-discuss Message-Id: <86B9B5C4-BA82-4BED-A819-BBBE10C24EC9@tzi.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: [Rfc-markdown] New idnits release: v2.17.01 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 00:50:42 -0000 rfc-markdown may not have been the best list to discuss this. Does anybody have a link to the source? Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: Lars Eggert > Subject: Re: [Rfc-markdown] New idnits release: v2.17.01 > Date: 22. 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Mon, 24 Jan 2022 19:52:43 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-4585-ga9d9773056-fm-20220113.001-ga9d97730 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <86B9B5C4-BA82-4BED-A819-BBBE10C24EC9@tzi.org> References: <9707ADDA-238C-4853-889F-F156017D0A8E@eggert.org> <86B9B5C4-BA82-4BED-A819-BBBE10C24EC9@tzi.org> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 11:52:25 +1100 From: "Martin Thomson" To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: [Rfc-markdown] New idnits release: v2.17.01 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 00:52:54 -0000 There's a mirror here: https://github.com/ietf-tools/idnits-mirror/ On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, at 11:50, Carsten Bormann wrote: > rfc-markdown may not have been the best list to discuss this. > Does anybody have a link to the source? > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >> From: Lars Eggert >> Subject: Re: [Rfc-markdown] New idnits release: v2.17.01 >> Date: 22. November 2021 at 08:50:22 CET >> To: Henrik Levkowetz >> Cc: rfc-markdown@ietf.org, Glen Barney >> Archived-At: >>=20 >> On 2021-11-17, at 13:47, Henrik Levkowetz wrot= e: >>> The new version is available for download here: >>> http://zinfandel.tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/idnits-v2.17.01 >>=20 >> This URL has a web service, but no archive for download? >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Lars >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Rfc-markdown mailing list >> Rfc-markdown@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-markdown > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to:=20 > datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe):=20 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Mon Jan 24 17:15:28 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71E93A1B6E for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 17:15:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vmvrnJfEy834 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 17:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B85E33A1B6C for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 17:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089a6b7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4JjTRs1z6nzDCbL; Tue, 25 Jan 2022 02:15:21 +0100 (CET) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 664766120.773697-eeb645c782f7cb57fdc6f6a53fb4242b Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 02:15:20 +0100 Message-Id: <81E41F85-E62B-4329-83AE-F84C4AB3165A@tzi.org> To: tools-discuss X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Xml2rfc regression?: rfc2629.dtd X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 01:15:27 -0000 Error: Can not access local file: = /ietf/jsonpath-wg/internet-draft/rfc2629.dtd Error: Can not access local file: = /ietf/jsonpath-wg/internet-draft/rfc2629.dtd Error: Unable to parse the XML document: draft-ietf-jsonpath-base.xml None: Line 0: Can not access local file: = /ietf/jsonpath-wg/internet-draft/rfc2629.dtd When did this happen? I updated xml2rfc yesterday, but I didn=E2=80=99t see this regression = until today. (Maybe I broke something on my system=E2=80=A6) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Jan 24 18:01:54 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996723A0BD4 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 18:01:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UrnJRk7f0IW4 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 18:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C1513A0BD3 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 18:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089a6b7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4JjVTL6gbdzDCd1; Tue, 25 Jan 2022 03:01:42 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 03:01:42 +0100 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 664768902.032352-ea3bd5dd09898b4a09d497d90b325ffc Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <9707ADDA-238C-4853-889F-F156017D0A8E@eggert.org> <86B9B5C4-BA82-4BED-A819-BBBE10C24EC9@tzi.org> To: Martin Thomson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Rfc-markdown] New idnits release: v2.17.01 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 02:01:53 -0000 On 2022-01-25, at 01:52, Martin Thomson wrote: >=20 > There's a mirror here: https://github.com/ietf-tools/idnits-mirror/ Thank you! Now we have to figure out how to get this into homebrew/linuxbrew. The repo probably should have releases (tgz files), so we can just = change the pointer in the recipe to that=E2=80=A6 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Jan 24 18:17:29 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955D13A081F for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 18:17:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.613 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.613 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.714, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t3okmoozSnfo for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 18:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (ietfx.amsl.com [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85BBD3A081A for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 18:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605264092763 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 18:17:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DKk7K9A1iHXT for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 18:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.198] (122-58-157-86-adsl.sparkbb.co.nz [122.58.157.86]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 03F984092761 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 18:17:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 15:17:20 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:97.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/97.0 Content-Language: en-NZ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <81E41F85-E62B-4329-83AE-F84C4AB3165A@tzi.org> From: Kesara Rathnayake Organization: IETF Administration LLC In-Reply-To: <81E41F85-E62B-4329-83AE-F84C4AB3165A@tzi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Xml2rfc regression?: rfc2629.dtd X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 02:17:28 -0000 On 25/01/22 2:15 pm, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Error: Can not access local file: /ietf/jsonpath-wg/internet-draft/rfc2629.dtd > Error: Can not access local file: /ietf/jsonpath-wg/internet-draft/rfc2629.dtd > Error: Unable to parse the XML document: draft-ietf-jsonpath-base.xml > None: Line 0: Can not access local file: /ietf/jsonpath-wg/internet-draft/rfc2629.dtd > > When did this happen? > > I updated xml2rfc yesterday, but I didn’t see this regression until today. > > (Maybe I broke something on my system…) > > Grüße, Carsten With xml2rfc release 3.12.0, includes from the local filesystem are disabled. To allow that you have to use `--allow-local-file-access`. Note that `SYSTEM` inclusions are allowed without the new flag, as long as the included file is in the templates directory. The templates directory can be configured by using `--template-dir`. --Kesara > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -- Kesara Rathnayake Senior Software Development Engineer - IETF LLC kesara@staff.ietf.org From nobody Mon Jan 24 22:24:18 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2DA3A189E; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 22:24:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IdKHiNb9Ixtw; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 22:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 016A53A189D; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 22:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089a6b7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4JjcJ40hjWzDCd7; Tue, 25 Jan 2022 07:24:04 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 07:24:03 +0100 Cc: tools-discuss , rfc-markdown@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 664784643.4691629-669ee938621fcf3966153f79329f12e3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <29409D64-A1A8-45DA-8757-64D5EB304C1A@tzi.org> References: <81E41F85-E62B-4329-83AE-F84C4AB3165A@tzi.org> To: Kesara Rathnayake X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Xml2rfc regression?: rfc2629.dtd (emergency fix in 1.5.25) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 06:24:16 -0000 Hi Kesara, thanks for the super-quick response! > On 2022-01-25, at 03:17, Kesara Rathnayake = wrote: >=20 > Note that `SYSTEM` inclusions are allowed without the new flag, as = long as the included file is in the templates directory. > The templates directory can be configured by using `--template-dir`. There is indeed an rfc2629.dtd under lib/python3.9/site-packages/xml2rfc/templates (I=E2=80=99m assuming that this is where my xml2rfc thinks its (default) = template directory is.) However, there also is an rfc2629.dtd in the local directory where the = draft=E2=80=99s .xml is (this is needed so we can extract elements from = the xml without xmlstarlet complaining). Xml2rfc apparently finds the = local one but then decides it shouldn=E2=80=99t allow access to it, = instead of using the template one. So, essentially, almost all builds that use xml tools for extracting = components from the XML file are now broken. I did an emergency fix in kramdown-rfc 1.5.25 that substitutes for which probably has the same problem with a local copy. So this is not a theoretical concern.) 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Consider making that permanent. Having to build an XML catalogue just to do simple XML processing (extracting author names, say) is an annoying hurdle to clear. Inline declarations for entities is probably unnecessary for the output of a tool (UTF-8 does just work), but I do find it easier to distinguish various types of space if entities are used when it isn't U+20. Can you push your change please? From nobody Mon Jan 24 23:35:53 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13613A0D1E; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 23:35:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LMJEtZYJEw-R; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 23:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F3AA3A0D1C; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 23:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (p5089a6b7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4JjdtX0gcTzDCc9; Tue, 25 Jan 2022 08:35:32 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 08:35:31 +0100 Cc: tools-discuss , rfc-markdown@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <44F93444-5714-4CD6-A5AD-3E056895D69B@tzi.org> References: <81E41F85-E62B-4329-83AE-F84C4AB3165A@tzi.org> <29409D64-A1A8-45DA-8757-64D5EB304C1A@tzi.org> To: Martin Thomson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Xml2rfc regression?: rfc2629.dtd (emergency fix in 1.5.25) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 07:35:42 -0000 > On 25. Jan 2022, at 08:00, Martin Thomson wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, at 17:24, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> I did an emergency fix in kramdown-rfc 1.5.25 that substitutes >=20 > Thank you. Consider making that permanent. =20 I think with the =E2=80=9Cdoctype-reference=E2=80=9D escape valve the = fix can stay in. > Having to build an XML catalogue just to do simple XML processing = (extracting author names, say) is an annoying hurdle to clear. =20 I agree; kramdown-rfc just kept chugging along with most of the first = ~50000 XML drafts out there, and this is now gone. > Inline declarations for entities is probably unnecessary for the = output of a tool (UTF-8 does just work), but I do find it easier to = distinguish various types of space if entities are used when it isn't = U+20. Yes. I wish Emacs were better in showing these types (of course, I'll = just need to configure it right :-). I have no idea what made the four entities that are now inserted by the = v2v3 conversion so special; these of course highlight the inconsistent = application of RFC 7997. (Ceterum censeo: I want my dashes=E2=80=A6) > Can you push your change please? Sorry, done. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Tue Jan 25 17:39:15 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111E53A1AB1; Tue, 25 Jan 2022 17:39:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.613 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.613 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.714, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c7OoU37_jMp5; Tue, 25 Jan 2022 17:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (ietfx.amsl.com [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA7933A1AAF; Tue, 25 Jan 2022 17:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DCF4096D36; Tue, 25 Jan 2022 17:39:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wjcHXvRabGnj; Tue, 25 Jan 2022 17:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.198] (122-58-157-86-adsl.sparkbb.co.nz [122.58.157.86]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D1DD04096D32; Tue, 25 Jan 2022 17:39:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9c8f4bb6-f3d4-e90b-0950-ad248e9c28fa@staff.ietf.org> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 14:39:10 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:97.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/97.0 Content-Language: en-NZ To: Carsten Bormann Cc: rfc-markdown@ietf.org, tools-discuss References: <81E41F85-E62B-4329-83AE-F84C4AB3165A@tzi.org> <29409D64-A1A8-45DA-8757-64D5EB304C1A@tzi.org> From: Kesara Rathnayake Organization: IETF Administration LLC In-Reply-To: <29409D64-A1A8-45DA-8757-64D5EB304C1A@tzi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Rfc-markdown] Xml2rfc regression?: rfc2629.dtd (emergency fix in 1.5.25) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 01:39:14 -0000 On 25/01/22 7:24 pm, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Hi Kesara, > > thanks for the super-quick response! > >> On 2022-01-25, at 03:17, Kesara Rathnayake wrote: >> >> Note that `SYSTEM` inclusions are allowed without the new flag, as long as the included file is in the templates directory. >> The templates directory can be configured by using `--template-dir`. > > There is indeed an rfc2629.dtd under > lib/python3.9/site-packages/xml2rfc/templates > (I’m assuming that this is where my xml2rfc thinks its (default) template directory is.) > > However, there also is an rfc2629.dtd in the local directory where the draft’s .xml is (this is needed so we can extract elements from the xml without xmlstarlet complaining). Xml2rfc apparently finds the local one but then decides it shouldn’t allow access to it, instead of using the template one. > > So, essentially, almost all builds that use xml tools for extracting components from the XML file are now broken. > I have captured this bug here: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/xml2rfc/ticket/703 and working on a fix. I think this was a long-existing bug where xml2rfc looked at the source directory first instead of the templates directory and only surfaced because of recent local file access restrictions. --Kesara > I did an emergency fix in kramdown-rfc 1.5.25 that substitutes > > > > > > > for > > > if --v3 (kdrfc -3) is given. > This leaves v2 high and dry, but those files are more likely to use the predefined character entities and less likely to use additional XML tooling and this a local rfc2629.dtd. > The emergency fix also makes the predefined character entities (except the four that now seem to be canonical for the RFC editor) unusable with v3 — this is a breaking change (I didn’t check how many drafts this breaks), but ultimately possibly a good one. If you need a workaround, add: > > doctype-reference: 'SYSTEM "rfc2629.dtd"' > or > doctype-reference: 'SYSTEM “rfc2629-xhtml.ent"' > > to the YAML (and make sure you don’t have a local copy in the directory). > > (FYI: When I looked today in /archive/id, > of about 53451 XML I-Ds, approximately > 49185 XML I-Ds contained matches for > or similar and approximately 1870 contained matches for > > which probably has the same problem with a local copy. > So this is not a theoretical concern.) > > Grüße, Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > Rfc-markdown mailing list > Rfc-markdown@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-markdown -- Kesara Rathnayake Senior Software Development Engineer - IETF LLC kesara@staff.ietf.org From nobody Wed Jan 26 16:39:59 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9593A0D67 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:39:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PSky3_duZKm9 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (ietfx.amsl.com [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9075F3A0D71 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6BF4096D32; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:39:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EB_JMVh32_ha; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [158.140.230.105]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED6D24096D30; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:39:52 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) From: Jay Daley In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 13:39:49 +1300 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <26471F20-C8FD-4FD7-98A1-6D264A8FE0B5@ietf.org> References: <81E41F85-E62B-4329-83AE-F84C4AB3165A@tzi.org> <29409D64-A1A8-45DA-8757-64D5EB304C1A@tzi.org> To: Martin Thomson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Xml2rfc regression?: rfc2629.dtd (emergency fix in 1.5.25) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 00:39:58 -0000 > On 25/01/2022, at 8:00 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, at 17:24, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> I did an emergency fix in kramdown-rfc 1.5.25 that substitutes >=20 > Thank you. Consider making that permanent. Having to build an XML = catalogue just to do simple XML processing (extracting author names, = say) is an annoying hurdle to clear. Inline declarations for entities = is probably unnecessary for the output of a tool (UTF-8 does just work), = but I do find it easier to distinguish various types of space if = entities are used when it isn't U+20. For info, the proposed new XML templates do not use DTD files any longer = and have the entities inline. See for example = https://github.com/ietf-authors/rfcxml-templates-and-schemas/blob/main/dra= ft-rfcxml-general-template-standard-00.xml =20 Jay >=20 > Can you push your change please? >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director exec-director@ietf.org From nobody Wed Jan 26 16:43:17 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171073A0DA0; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:43:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rvPjOWRmUTKw; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:43:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9434B3A0D9D; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:43:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089a6b7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Jkhdk6jlJzDCbX; Thu, 27 Jan 2022 01:43:06 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <26471F20-C8FD-4FD7-98A1-6D264A8FE0B5@ietf.org> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 01:43:06 +0100 Cc: Martin Thomson , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 664936986.6060981-f2e006377a2bb99eb8da2d5452b9a25e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <73C869CD-FE3F-448C-95FB-0181F36D686A@tzi.org> References: <81E41F85-E62B-4329-83AE-F84C4AB3165A@tzi.org> <29409D64-A1A8-45DA-8757-64D5EB304C1A@tzi.org> <26471F20-C8FD-4FD7-98A1-6D264A8FE0B5@ietf.org> To: Jay Daley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Xml2rfc regression?: rfc2629.dtd (emergency fix in 1.5.25) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 00:43:16 -0000 On 2022-01-27, at 01:39, Jay Daley wrote: >=20 > For info, the proposed new XML templates do not use DTD files any = longer and have the entities inline. See for example = https://github.com/ietf-authors/rfcxml-templates-and-schemas/blob/main/dra= ft-rfcxml-general-template-standard-00.xml =20 Makes a lot of sense. Is there any documentation why exactly these four character entities = were chosen? (This would also be useful to indicate their intended use.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Jan 26 16:53:43 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC003A0E2F for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:53:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h42ly3J1Mg8A for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (ietfx.amsl.com [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92BC23A0E31 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56BE44096D33; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:53:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lq7OZ_xfohzO; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [158.140.230.105]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B52E4096D30; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:53:35 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) From: Jay Daley In-Reply-To: <73C869CD-FE3F-448C-95FB-0181F36D686A@tzi.org> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 13:53:31 +1300 Cc: Martin Thomson , tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <53628BFC-CDCD-4311-9569-76A8DC6F81DE@ietf.org> References: <81E41F85-E62B-4329-83AE-F84C4AB3165A@tzi.org> <29409D64-A1A8-45DA-8757-64D5EB304C1A@tzi.org> <26471F20-C8FD-4FD7-98A1-6D264A8FE0B5@ietf.org> <73C869CD-FE3F-448C-95FB-0181F36D686A@tzi.org> To: Carsten Bormann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Xml2rfc regression?: rfc2629.dtd (emergency fix in 1.5.25) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 00:53:41 -0000 > On 27/01/2022, at 1:43 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > On 2022-01-27, at 01:39, Jay Daley wrote: >>=20 >> For info, the proposed new XML templates do not use DTD files any = longer and have the entities inline. See for example = https://github.com/ietf-authors/rfcxml-templates-and-schemas/blob/main/dra= ft-rfcxml-general-template-standard-00.xml =20 >=20 > Makes a lot of sense. >=20 > Is there any documentation why exactly these four character entities = were chosen? >=20 > > > > >=20 > (This would also be useful to indicate their intended use.) In https://authors.ietf.org/en/templates-and-schemas#character-entities = it explains "The templates above include the following character = entities for invisible typographics characters directly in the source = with a DOCTYPE statement as follows:" (I=E2=80=99ve just seen the = extraneous =E2=80=99s=E2=80=99). =20 Is that sufficient or is more explanation needed? Jay >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director exec-director@ietf.org From nobody Wed Jan 26 17:02:14 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32EED3A0EB4; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 17:02:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UIwQ2w_ptega; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 17:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4AFB3A0EAF; Wed, 26 Jan 2022 17:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089a6b7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Jkj3f587YzDCbK; Thu, 27 Jan 2022 02:02:06 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <53628BFC-CDCD-4311-9569-76A8DC6F81DE@ietf.org> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 02:02:06 +0100 Cc: Martin Thomson , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 664938126.3825589-d94f213c609de26335e06691d2d4715f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <81E41F85-E62B-4329-83AE-F84C4AB3165A@tzi.org> <29409D64-A1A8-45DA-8757-64D5EB304C1A@tzi.org> <26471F20-C8FD-4FD7-98A1-6D264A8FE0B5@ietf.org> <73C869CD-FE3F-448C-95FB-0181F36D686A@tzi.org> <53628BFC-CDCD-4311-9569-76A8DC6F81DE@ietf.org> To: Jay Daley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Xml2rfc regression?: rfc2629.dtd (emergency fix in 1.5.25) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 01:02:12 -0000 > On 2022-01-27, at 01:53, Jay Daley wrote: >=20 > In = https://authors.ietf.org/en/templates-and-schemas#character-entities it = explains "The templates above include the following character entities = for invisible typographics characters directly in the source with a = DOCTYPE statement as follows:" (I=E2=80=99ve just seen the extraneous = =E2=80=99s=E2=80=99). =20 >=20 > Is that sufficient or is more explanation needed? Several aspects are not covered. * Why are these four in this list, and not others? * Why are these non-ASCII characters allowed outside artwork in = RFCXMLv3, contrary to RFC 7997? * For actual documentation, you would expect a usage example for each of = them, and maybe some documentation what xml2rfc does with them. (This = needn=E2=80=99t be here, but needs to be somewhere.) Oh, and neither nbsp nor nbhy are invisible; they just look too similar = to other characters in certain editors that I would not recommend :-) (Oh, and the warning at the top should point to an explanation of = unprep.) BTW, what is the current authoritative source repo for xml2rfc? 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(For what follows, I=E2=80=99m very happy for you or anyone else to suggest t= ext and edits. Ideally this site would be community edited and maintained) >=20 > * Why are these four in this list, and not others? I think the implicit reason, that you can=E2=80=99t tell they are there if y= ou use the Unicode character is reasonably obvious, but I=E2=80=99m happy to= elucidate.=20 >=20 > * Why are these non-ASCII characters allowed outside artwork in RFCXMLv3, c= ontrary to RFC 7997? I don=E2=80=99t know the answer to that.=20 >=20 > * For actual documentation, you would expect a usage example for each of t= hem, and maybe some documentation what xml2rfc does with them. (This needn=E2= =80=99t be here, but needs to be somewhere.) Good idea. Got any suggestions? >=20 > Oh, and neither nbsp nor nbhy are invisible; they just look too similar to= other characters in certain editors that I would not recommend :-) Ah yes.=20 >=20 > (Oh, and the warning at the top should point to an explanation of unprep.)= Yes we need a proper page about prep/unprep. Want to write one? Until then w= e have a brief paragraph about that on another page that=E2=80=99s not that u= seful https://authors.ietf.org/en/rfcxml-overview >=20 > BTW, what is the current authoritative source repo for xml2rfc? Robert is the authoritative source of info on this but from our chat earlier= today I believe it is still trac/svn with the aim of moving it to GitHub in= the next few weeks.=20 Jay --=20 Jay Daley=20 IETF Executive Director exec-director@ietf.org >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 --Apple-Mail-5C73541F-57B1-4542-AE26-FFFE82D212E2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On 27/01/2022, at 2:02 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote= :

=EF=BB= =BF
On 2022-01-27, at 01:53,= Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org> wrote:

In https://authors.ietf.org/en/templates-and-schemas#character-entit= ies it explains "The templates above include the following character entitie= s for invisible typographics characters directly in the source with a DOCTYP= E statement as follows:"  (I=E2=80=99ve just seen the extraneous =E2=80= =99s=E2=80=99).   

Is that suff= icient or is more explanation needed?
Several aspects are not covered.
<= br>
(For what follows, I=E2=80=99m very happy for you or anyone else to= suggest text and edits. Ideally this site would be community edited and mai= ntained)

* Why are these four in this list, and not others?

I think the implicit reason, that you can=E2=80= =99t tell they are there if you use the Unicode character is reasonably obvi= ous, but I=E2=80=99m happy to elucidate. 


* Why are these non-ASCII char= acters allowed outside artwork in RFCXMLv3, contrary to RFC 7997?
=

I don=E2=80=99t know the answer to that.&n= bsp;

* = For actual documentation, you would expect a usage example for each of them,= and maybe some documentation what xml2rfc does with them.  (This needn= =E2=80=99t be here, but needs to be somewhere.)

Good idea. Got any suggestions?


Oh, and neither nbsp nor= nbhy are invisible; they just look too similar to other characters in certa= in editors that I would not recommend :-)
=
Ah yes. 
=
(Oh, and the warning at the top should point to an explanat= ion of unprep.)

Yes we need a pr= oper page about prep/unprep. Want to write one? Until then we have a brief p= aragraph about that on another page that=E2=80=99s not that useful https://authors.ietf.org= /en/rfcxml-overview
=
BTW, what is the current authoritative source repo for xml2= rfc?

Robert is the authoritative= source of info on this but from our chat earlier today I believe it is stil= l trac/svn with the aim of moving it to GitHub in the next few weeks. <= /div>

Jay

-- = ;
Jay Daley 
IETF Executive Director
exec-director@iet= f.org


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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 17:01:28 -0000 --_000_HE1PR0701MB30501DD86281BD5DE2B15EBC89219HE1PR0701MB3050_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think it is time to move Kramdown from the experimental page to the main = xml2frc page. OLD: https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html NEW: https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/ The Kramdown conversion seems pretty stable to me, and has been for a long = time. Is any human editing xml directly anymore? It feels as productive as assemb= ly programming. Cheers, John --_000_HE1PR0701MB30501DD86281BD5DE2B15EBC89219HE1PR0701MB3050_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think it is time to mo= ve Kramdown from the experimental page to the main xml2frc page.

 

OLD:

https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html

 

NEW:

https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/

 

The Kramdown conversion = seems pretty stable to me, and has been for a long time.

 

Is any human editing xml= directly anymore? It feels as productive= as assembly programming.

 

Cheers,

John

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On Jan 27, 2022, at 12:01 PM, John Mattsson <= ;john.mattsson=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF =

I think it is time to mov= e Kramdown from the experimental page to the main xml2frc page.

 

OLD:

https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html=

 

NEW:

https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/

 

The Kramdown conversion s= eems pretty stable to me, and has been for a long time.

 

Is any human editing xml <= span lang=3D"EN-US"> directly anymore? It feels as productive a= s assembly programming.

 

Cheers,

John

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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 18:58:37 -0000 Am 27.01.2022 um 18:01 schrieb John Mattsson: > I think it is time to move Kramdown from the experimental page to the > main xml2frc page. > > OLD: > > https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html > > NEW: > > https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/ tools.ietf.org is so deprecated :-). A new site with new UI is in the works, and I believe it includes kramdown support. > The Kramdown conversion seems pretty stable to me, and has been for a > long time. > > Is any human editing xml directly anymore? It feels as productive as > assembly programming. Disagreed. I find kramdown nice for simple stuff, but once you want to do more, it gets in the way. But chacun =C3=A0 son go=C3=BBt. 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Malis" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 14:35:14 -0500 Message-ID: To: Tom Pusateri Cc: John Mattsson , tools-discuss Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ca192e05d6956b0c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Time to move Kramdown from experimental to the main xml2frc page? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 19:35:36 -0000 --000000000000ca192e05d6956b0c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John and Tom, Kramdown is included in the new IETF authors online converter - https://author-tools.ietf.org . Also, you can find the source in the Tools Catalog at https://authors.ietf.org/tools-catalog . See https://authors.ietf.org for an overview of the new sites. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 12:06 PM Tom Pusateri wrote: > +1 > > Tom > > On Jan 27, 2022, at 12:01 PM, John Mattsson 40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > > I think it is time to move Kramdown from the experimental page to the > main xml2frc page. > > > > OLD: > > https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html > > > > NEW: > > https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/ > > > > The Kramdown conversion seems pretty stable to me, and has been for a > long time. > > > > Is any human editing xml directly anymore? 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John and Tom,

Kramdown is included in t= he new IETF authors online converter -=C2=A0https://author-tools.ietf.org . Also, you can find the sourc= e in the Tools Catalog at=C2=A0https://authors.ietf.org/tools-catalog . See=C2=A0https://authors.ietf.org for an overview of the = new sites.

Cheers,
Andy


On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 12:06 PM Tom Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com> wrote:
+1

Tom

On Jan 27, 2022, at 12:0= 1 PM, John Mattsson <john.mattsson=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote= :

=EF= =BB=BF

I think it is time to mo= ve Kramdown from the experimental page to the main xml2frc page.

=C2=A0

OLD:

https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html=

=C2=A0

NEW:

https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/

=C2=A0

The Kramdown conversion = seems pretty stable to me, and has been for a long time.

=C2=A0

Is any human editing xml= directly anymore? It feels as productive= as assembly programming.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

John

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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 20:00:32 -0000 On 2022-01-27, at 19:58, Julian Reschke wrote: >=20 > I find kramdown nice for simple stuff, but once you want to do more, = it > gets in the way. This depends a bit on what you mean by =E2=80=9Cdo more=E2=80=9D. If you want to write your own authoring tools (which is pretty much what = the http spec authors did), by all means target RFCXML, not markdown. If you want to collaborate, possibly in a team with diverse backgrounds, = to author a specification, without writing (much) additional software = for the actual text handling, kramdown=E2=80=94rfc can be quite useful. (Even for RFCs like RFC7400, which was in large parts generated by a = program.) The story behind kramdown-rfc was that some time in 2010, I had two days = to write a number of I-Ds (I seem to remember it was six of them). I = gambled and spent one day to write the first version of kramdown-rfc, so = I could write the actual drafts twice as fast on the other day. I=E2=80=99= m pretty sure I came out ahead. Kudos to the people setting up https://author-tools.ietf.org =E2=80=94 = we now have many tools that help in IETF/IRTF document authoring, and = the effort to make these more accessible to the authors is most welcome. 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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 22:35:42 -0000 To repeat what we were told many months ago: *.tools.ietf.org is obsolesc= ent. I switched to using author-tools.ietf.org ages ago, and my (minor) issues= have been fixed promptly and with a smile. It accepts kramdown, of course= =2E Brian On 28-Jan-22 08:35, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > John and Tom, >=20 > Kramdown is included in the new IETF authors online converter - https:/= /author-tools.ietf.org . Also, you can fi= nd the source in the Tools Catalog at https://authors.ietf.org/tools-cata= log . See https://authors.ietf.o= rg for an overview of the new sites. >=20 > Cheers, > Andy >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 12:06 PM Tom Pusateri > wrote: >=20 > +1 >=20 > Tom >=20 >> On Jan 27, 2022, at 12:01 PM, John Mattsson > wrote: >> >> =EF=BB=BF >> >> I think it is time to move Kramdown from the experimental page to = the main xml2frc page.____ >> >> __ __ >> >> OLD:____ >> >> https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html ____ >> >> __ __ >> >> NEW:____ >> >> https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/ _= ___ >> >> __ __ >> >> The Kramdown conversion seems pretty stable to me, and has been fo= r a long time.____ >> >> __ __ >> >> Is any human editing xml directly anymore? 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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 08:02:50 -0000 On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 08:03:01PM +0000, Salz, Rich wrote: > And thanks to you for kramdown-rfc! +1 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss