From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Fri Sep 02 17:38:19 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EBJEp-0003AO-P9; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:38:19 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EBJEp-0003AJ-AE for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:38:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA04074 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from measurement-factory.com ([206.168.0.5]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EBJH2-0003ln-Ld for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:40:38 -0400 Received: from pail.measurement-factory.com (nat.measurement-factory.com [206.168.0.3]) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j82Lc3aF013546; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 15:38:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Event schema From: Alex Rousskov To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <431405F9.8060806@levkowetz.com> References: <0IM000IR5M1QTE@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> <431405F9.8060806@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 15:35:23 -0600 Message-Id: <1125696923.98379.21.camel@pail.measurement-factory.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: 'IETF TOOLS' X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 09:08 +0200, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > element event { > element id { xsd:anyURI } # actually, timebased uuid... > & element date { xsd:dateTime } > & element source { text } # tag identifying the source > & element object { What is an "object"? Can there be many objects per event? If object is specific to events about drafts (as some of the fields below imply), then we should rename the "object" element to "draft" or similar. If we plan to have objects of various kinds (as the type element seems to imply), then we should delete draft-specific elements from the specs or comment/specify that they exist only if type==draft. > element type { text } # tag identifying the type, e.g. draft > & element tag { text } # draft filename without extension and version > & element date { xsd:date } > & element rev { xsd:integer } > & element authors { text }? > & element title { text }? > & element abstract { text }? > & element state { text } # a state text tag > & element substate { text }? # a sub-state text tag > & element pages { xsd:integer }? > & element url { xsd:anyURI }? # actually, an URL... > > } > } > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thank you, Alex. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Fri Sep 02 18:04:42 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EBJeM-00068a-LS; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 18:04:42 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EBJeL-00068S-17 for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 18:04:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA05199 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 18:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.186]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EBJgX-0004YY-KH for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 18:06:59 -0400 Received: by av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 2D7D338072; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:04:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B15D37EB3; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:04:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDF537E42; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:04:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EBJdz-0001Rp-HP; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 00:04:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4318CC63.2010403@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 00:04:19 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Rousskov Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Event schema References: <0IM000IR5M1QTE@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> <431405F9.8060806@levkowetz.com> <1125696923.98379.21.camel@pail.measurement-factory.com> In-Reply-To: <1125696923.98379.21.camel@pail.measurement-factory.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: 'IETF TOOLS' X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org on 2005-09-02 23:35 Alex Rousskov said the following: > On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 09:08 +0200, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> element event { >> element id { xsd:anyURI } # actually, timebased uuid... >> & element date { xsd:dateTime } >> & element source { text } # tag identifying the source >> & element object { > > What is an "object"? Can there be many objects per event? Only one, I believe > If object is specific to events about drafts (as some of the fields > below imply), then we should rename the "object" element to "draft" or > similar. > > If we plan to have objects of various kinds (as the type element seems > to imply), then we should delete draft-specific elements from the specs > or comment/specify that they exist only if type==draft. The latter has been my thought. Mmm. It might be better, even so, to instead of an object with variants depending on type specify element draft {...} | element wg {...} | element announcement {...} | ... Yes, I think I'll change to that. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Fri Sep 02 18:48:09 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EBKKP-0007WC-PF; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 18:48:09 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EBKKN-0007W6-DX for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 18:48:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA08468 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 18:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.182]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EBKMb-0005xF-Be for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 18:50:26 -0400 Received: by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 74CC937FBA; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:48:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652AA37F4B for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:48:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8AC37E43 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:47:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EBKKB-0005ek-Ho for tools-team@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 00:47:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4318D69B.4090004@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 00:47:55 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'IETF TOOLS'" Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Event schema References: <0IM000IR5M1QTE@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> <431405F9.8060806@levkowetz.com> <1125696923.98379.21.camel@pail.measurement-factory.com> <4318CC63.2010403@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4318CC63.2010403@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b7b9551d71acde901886cc48bfc088a6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org > Mmm. It might be better, even so, to instead of an object with variants > depending on type specify > element draft {...} | element wg {...} | element announcement {...} | ... > > Yes, I think I'll change to that. First cut at this: # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- element event { element id { xsd:anyURI } # actually, timebased uuid... & element date { xsd:dateTime } & element source { text } # tag identifying the source # Optional elements & element url { xsd:anyURI }? # actually, and URL # The object that the event is related to # --- draft --- & ( element draft { element tag { text } # draft filename without extension and version & element date { xsd:date } & element rev { xsd:integer } & element state { attribute sub { text }, # a substate text tag text # a state text tag } # Optional elements & element authors { text }? & element title { text }? & element abstract { text }? & element pages { xsd:integer }? & element rfc { xsd:integer }? & element url { xsd:anyURI }? # actually, an URL... } # --- wg --- | element wg { element tag { text } # wg acronym & element name { text } & element action { text } # charter, re-charter, conclude ... & element chair { element name { text }, element email { text } # email ... }+ & element charter { text } & element list { element email { text } & element archive { xsd:anyURI } & element subscribe { xsd:anyURI }? } & element area { element name { text } & element ad { element name { text }, element email { text }# email ... }+ & element advisor { element name { text }, element email { text }# email ... }+ } } # --- area --- | element area { element name { text } & element ad { element name { text }, element email { text }# email ... }+ & element advisor { element name { text }, element email { text }# email ... }+ } # --- announcement --- | element announcement { element date { xsd:date } & element text { text } } ) } # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 06 22:38:05 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ECpp7-0005pH-LU; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:38:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ECpp6-0005pA-65 for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:38:04 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA22289 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECps9-0005LT-FL for tools-team@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:41:15 -0400 Received: by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id C547037F76; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 04:37:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C0137E94 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 04:37:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A180C37E42 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 04:37:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ECpon-0008UE-Fn for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:37:45 +0200 Message-ID: <431E5278.1040003@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:37:44 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'IETF TOOLS'" Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Event schema References: <0IM000IR5M1QTE@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> <431405F9.8060806@levkowetz.com> <1125696923.98379.21.camel@pail.measurement-factory.com> <4318CC63.2010403@levkowetz.com> <4318D69B.4090004@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4318D69B.4090004@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5ebbf074524e58e662bc8209a6235027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org # Here's the next iteration on an event schema. I'm using # full-blown objects inside the events, and I've refined both # events and object schemas. # # Any element which has an attribute 'key' may be looked # up using the value as a key under the category given by # the element name in an envisioned meta-information repository. # # Any element which has an attribute 'changed' when occurring # in an event has a new value. After messing about with different # event types (state-change, new-revision, new-charter, etc.) I # decided it would be better to eliminate that concept, and # simply indicate which parts of a draft, wg, etc. meta-information # has changed. # # When an object (e.g., a draft) occurs as part of an event, there # is no need for it to contain more than the key and the changed # information, as long as it is possible to look up the complete # set of information in a reasonably simple manner (both for tools # and humans). # # Henrik start = (event | draft | wg | area | announcement ) event = element event { element id { attribute key, uuid } & element date { xsd:dateTime } & element source { attribute key, ("tracker" | "rfc-queue" | "id-announce" | "ietf-announce" | "internet-drafts" | "rfc" | text) # tag identifying the source } & element url { xsd:httpURI }? & element comment { text } & ( draft | wg | area | announcement ) } draft = element draft { element tag { attribute key, text } & element date { attribute changed?, xsd:date } & element rev { attribute changed?, xsd:integer } # Optional elements & element author { attribute changed?, person }* & element title { attribute changed?, text }? & element abstract { attribute changed?, text }? & element pages { attribute changed?, xsd:integer }? & element url { attribute changed?, httpURI }? & element events { list { uuid } } & wg } wg = element wg { attribute changed?, element tag { attribute key, text } # acronym & element name { attribute changed?, text } & element chair { attribute changed?, person }+ & element charter { attribute changed?, text } & element list { attribute changed?, element email { text } & element archive { xsd:httpURI } & element subscribe { xsd:httpURI }? }? & element area { attribute changed?, "app" | "gen" | "int" | "ops" | "rtg" | "sec" | "tsv" } & element events { list { uuid } } } area = element area { element tag { attribute key, text } # acronym element name { attribute changed?, text } & element ad { attribute changed?, person }+ & element advisor { attribute changed?, person }+ & element events { list { uuid } } } announcement = element announcement { element date { xsd:date } & element text { text } } person = element name { text }, element email { attribute key?, email }+, element company { text }?, element phone { text }*, element address { text }? httpURI = xsd:anyURI {pattern = "http://.*"} hexDigit = xsd:token {pattern = "[0-9a-zA-Z]"} uuid = xsd:anyURI {pattern = "uuid:\p{hexDigit}{8}-\p{hexDigit}{4}-\p{hexDigit}{4}-\p{hexDigit}{4}-\p{hexDigit}{12}"} email = xsd:token {pattern = "[A-Za-z0-9.-]+@[A-Za-z0-9.-]+"} _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 07 10:27:26 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ED0ta-0005TQ-5W; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:27:26 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ED0tY-0005Sf-Ef for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:27:24 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA23195 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 213-136-24-43.adsl.bit.nl ([213.136.24.43] helo=purgatory.unfix.org ident=postfix) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ED0wk-0007CC-2D for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:30:42 -0400 Received: from firenze.zurich.ibm.com (pat.zurich.ibm.com [195.176.20.45]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by purgatory.unfix.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F140A7F80 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:27:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Jeroen Massar To: tools-team@ietf.org Organization: Unfix Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:26:54 +0200 Message-Id: <1126103215.17356.105.camel@firenze.zurich.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c3a18ef96977fc9bcc21a621cbf1174b Subject: [Tools-team] Dashboard/notification tool prototype X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1371477596==" Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org --===============1371477596== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-svDTXHnmmG6IzcdOM5jr" --=-svDTXHnmmG6IzcdOM5jr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I wanted to show you guys a prototype of the notifications tools during the upcoming call, though unfortunately a virus hit me during the weekend making me unable to finish it up to at least a usable state. Thus, to have something to discuss, I'll describe (no ppt's from me ;) what it is and how it works and mostly what one will be able to do: Basically I now have a non-working prototype of a website, which gives one a personalized overview of a all the area's, wg's and the documents that each draft contains including possiblity to set notification items. A user is able to signup using one (or multiple) email addresses, these mail addresses then map to an entity. Such an entity could be a 'person' or a 'role' (/group), as such the "Tools Team" would be a role entity with multiple email id's attached which make up this entity. One email address can be associated with multiple entities and at login or using a switch one will be able to pick which entity you want to be. This allows the entity to be used for ACL's and still keep your personal view as your own person entity allowing one to follow personal interrests but also to do another role. A user then is subscribed to documents/wg's/area's that person is interrested in. For each doc/wg/area one can specify notifications. Broad ones like "notify for anything that happens here" and things like "new document in wg X", "new wg started in area Y", "document last call for document Z" etc. Regexps could even help out in allowing people to get notifications about all kinds of documents matching a certain title. The 'home' page of a user will thus be an overview of all the subscriptions that a user made. The site also is going to have full knowledge about all existing wg's/areas/docs so users can select it. The tools we already have can easily be integrated in that site structure by linking to them in an automated way. When then an event comes in over Henrik's event notification mechanism, the backend of the site matches all the subscriptions that want information about it and notifies these users using the methods they specified. Currently I've added possibilities for irc/jabber/icq/msn/yahoo (abusing bitlbee) and email. One could then also, per subscription, select for diff's, xml markup and other modes which we can add later on. An event also causes the backend to log this information. Thus when you go on vacation you simply disable events, after coming back, you enable them again and request a list of what events that you are subscribed to where supposed to be triggered during that period, or any period actually. Toys used to build this up: php backend, code in classes which can be called from the 'web' and from commandline. Currently a mysql database. Bitlbee for the IM notification part, thus simply abusing IRC to interface with them all. Technically indeed we could even create a jabber/IM based control channel next to the web one, eg "diff draft-bla-01 draft-bla-02" calling existing tools to do the actual work. This most likely sounds all a bit strange or big, just ask me to clarify in a few. I'll try to get a working version online during the coming few days, it's mostly a typing+time thing. Greets, Jeroen --=-svDTXHnmmG6IzcdOM5jr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Jeroen Massar / http://unfix.org/~jeroen/ iD8DBQBDHviuKaooUjM+fCMRAjWPAJwLnhbsgxIX445WJ36+4RLA9qaj/QCggtOg e5dCHDisuvRzrRmnLVbrA2E= =uugp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-svDTXHnmmG6IzcdOM5jr-- --===============1371477596== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team --===============1371477596==-- From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 07 11:29:09 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ED1rJ-0000nq-VK; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:29:09 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ED1rI-0000ng-Uh for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:29:09 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA26063 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.183]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ED1uT-0000Mr-Bl for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:32:27 -0400 Received: by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 86B9437FB6; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:28:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4517B37EB0 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:28:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374B737E51 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:28:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ED1r6-0000uk-Sb for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:28:56 +0200 Message-ID: <431F0738.1070406@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:28:56 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Agenda for the 7 September 2005 Telechat X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Here is the proposed agenda for today's meeting. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. Agenda bashing 2. Comments on the minutes from previous meeting 3. IETF-63: * IANA meeting - Bill? 4. Status review * Event scraping and generation, event xml schema, dashboard - Henrik * Event notification prototype - Jeroen * Draft info draft - Alex * Scheduling tool - Donald? * IETF Website re-vamp - Andrew? 5. Any other business 6. Next meeting: Teleconference Wednesday 21 Sep, 16:00 GMT (same local time as today). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. One can also join the call by dialling: sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. 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Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 07 12:30:29 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ED2of-0002Dm-0a; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:30:29 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ED2od-0002Dh-FC for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:30:27 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA00500 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.181]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ED2rq-0002fW-0E for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:33:46 -0400 Received: by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 02CEE3801D; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:29:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EEE37F97 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:29:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652A637E48 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:30:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ED2oS-0002YK-Jz for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:30:16 +0200 Message-ID: <431F1597.9050302@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:30:15 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3971661e40967acfc35f708dd5f33760 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 7 September 2005 Telechat X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Here minutes from today's meeting. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 0. Present: Alex, Jeroen, Henrik 1. Agenda bashing No comments 2. Comments on the minutes from previous meeting No comments 3. IETF-63: * IANA meeting - Bill? 4. Status review * Event scraping and generation, event xml schema, dashboard - Henrik "I've started writing the event collection and generation scripts, and I'm iterating on the exact XML schema to be used to represent each event. The 3rd major revision appeared last night, and I'm now doing some refinement, in particular related to event id, making it easier to discover duplicate events, and exactly what information is relayed with the event, and which is kept in the separate draft meta information (XML) database. I currently have the first rough version of that running, ticking over and generating events from the rfc editor queue and the ID-tracker, but it needs some refinement of both code and XML schema before I'm satisfied with it. I also want to add event generation from the ietf-announce and i-d-announce mailing lists. When that's pretty solidly in place, ticking over and generating new events, I'll feed in historical data based on the archives of the ietf-announce and i-d-announce mailing lists, and Bill's archived snapshots of the RFC editor queues. But that's the next work item, once the daily event generation is solid." Alex: Do we need a separate element in the event part which tells you what object this refers to? - Maybe not, we'll see. For the cases where you want to make a summary of events, do we want to include a headline in the event - or do we want to derive that from the information that changed in the object? - Probably the latter, for consistency. * Event notification prototype - Jeroen "Basically I now have a non-working prototype of a website, which gives one a personalized overview of a all the areas, wgs and the documents that each draft contains including possibility to set notification items. A user is able to signup using one (or multiple) email addresses, these mail addresses then map to an entity. Such an entity could be a 'person' or a 'role' (/group), as such the "Tools Team" would be a role entity with multiple email id's attached which make up this entity. One email address can be associated with multiple entities and at login or using a switch one will be able to pick which entity you want to be. This allows the entity to be used for ACLs and still keep your personal view as your own person entity allowing one to follow personal interests but also to do another role. A user then is subscribed to documents/wgs/areas that person is interested in. For each doc/wg/area one can specify notifications. Broad ones like "notify for anything that happens here" and things like "new document in wg X", "new wg started in area Y", "document last call for document Z" etc. Regexps could even help out in allowing people to get notifications about all kinds of documents matching a certain title. The 'home' page of a user will thus be an overview of all the subscriptions that a user made. The site also is going to have full knowledge about all existing wgs/areas/docs so users can select it. The tools we already have can easily be integrated in that site structure by linking to them in an automated way. When then an event comes in over Henrik's event notification mechanism, the backend of the site matches all the subscriptions that want information about it and notifies these users using the methods they specified. Currently I've added possibilities for irc/jabber/icq/msn/yahoo (abusing bitlbee) and email. One could then also, per subscription, select for diffs, xml markup and other modes which we can add later on. An event also causes the backend to log this information. Thus when you go on vacation you simply disable events, after coming back, you enable them again and request a list of what events that you are subscribed to where supposed to be triggered during that period, or any period actually. Toys used to build this up: php backend, code in classes which can be called from the 'web' and from command line. Currently a mysql database. Bitlbee for the IM notification part, thus simply abusing IRC to interface with them all." Henrik: Looks good. Events will probably come in with only the changed information attach - full information will have to be fetched from separate meta-information for the draft, wg, etc. Alex: Looks good - will have more comments when the prototype is up and can be looked at. * Draft info draft - Alex No time, so no progress :-( * Scheduling tool - Donald? No info, Henrik will ping * IETF Website re-vamp - Andrew? No info, Henrik will ping 5. Any other business No other business. 6. Next meeting: Teleconference Wednesday 21 Sep, 16:00 GMT (same local time as today). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. One can also join the call by dialling: sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Sun Sep 11 11:36:33 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EETsf-0000Wy-Bt; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:36:33 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EETse-0000Vh-2q for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:36:32 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09813 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.20.225.110] (helo=mail-white.research.att.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EETwM-0007Al-8V for tools-team@ietf.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:40:23 -0400 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091DA8518; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.12.11/8.12.10/Submit) id j8BFa3wS031855; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:36:03 -0400 From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200509111536.j8BFa3wS031855@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 7 September 2005 Telechat Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:36:03 -0400 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: IETF TOOLS X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Sorry for having missed 2 calls in a row. On the 24th, Rex had a vet visit, and on the 7th, I was driving across Nevada and California on the 5th day of my cross-country trip with the dogs and Peggy's dad. (Peggy and Julia flew back.) Rex's prognosis is not terrific. I can't remember if I told you folks about his original injury, that he had a toy stuck in his mouth for hours which tore his jaw muscles. He seemed to be recovering but his recovery reversed and now he can only open his mouth about 2cm or less. He can still eat now but if it continues to close we don't know what to do. He has an appointment on Monday to be evaluated by a surgeon to see if they can invent a procedure to help him. Bill _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Sun Sep 11 14:01:54 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EEW9K-000834-27; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:01:54 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EEW98-000816-OK for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:01:52 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA15033 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av10-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.182]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EEWCh-0001pS-KE for tools-team@ietf.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:05:25 -0400 Received: by av10-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id F319D37F05; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:00:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av10-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C236E37E4B; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:00:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CBD37E43; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:00:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EEW8H-0001WD-3t; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:00:49 +0200 Message-ID: <432470C9.2040002@levkowetz.com> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:00:41 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Fenner Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 7 September 2005 Telechat References: <200509111536.j8BFa3wS031855@bright.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <200509111536.j8BFa3wS031855@bright.research.att.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Cc: IETF TOOLS X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2074334823==" Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============2074334823== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB5BB1319EB777052E9F73040" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB5BB1319EB777052E9F73040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bill, On 2005-09-11 17:36 Bill Fenner said the following: > Sorry for having missed 2 calls in a row. On the 24th, Rex had a vet > visit, and on the 7th, I was driving across Nevada and California on > the 5th day of my cross-country trip with the dogs and Peggy's dad. > (Peggy and Julia flew back.) Ok, good to know. > Rex's prognosis is not terrific. I can't remember if I told you > folks about his original injury, that he had a toy stuck in his mouth > for hours which tore his jaw muscles. Yes, you did, and I was hoping things would work out... > He seemed to be recovering > but his recovery reversed and now he can only open his mouth about > 2cm or less. He can still eat now but if it continues to close we don't > know what to do. He has an appointment on Monday to be evaluated > by a surgeon to see if they can invent a procedure to help him. Ouch, ouch, ouch :-(( I guess I'm extra sensitive to this now, with my own recent and ongoing pet troubles. It sounds to me as if the muscles are healing, but developing scar tissue, which is much less flexible. Not knowing whether it would help or not, I think I'd still try to do a lot of massaging of the closing muscles, to try to increase blood flow to limber them up... Hoping very much that this will end well, Henrik --------------enigB5BB1319EB777052E9F73040 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFDJHDQeVhrtTJkXCMRAh7qAKDpDL/rhGTlM7FTs0YerFvetyEi4wCfTsAJ r5KvMmeYh9Oxm9dVwqBpG4Q= =nD7B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB5BB1319EB777052E9F73040-- --===============2074334823== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team --===============2074334823==-- From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 20 15:56:02 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EHoDi-0002Ny-Hj; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:56:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EHoDg-0002No-KO for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:56:00 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA27459 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.219.45.62] (helo=mail.libertyrms.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EHoJV-0008Sf-8H for tools-team@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:02:03 -0400 Received: from dba3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.12] helo=dba3.int.libertyrms.info ident=postfix) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1EHoDR-0007oD-RQ for tools-team@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:55:45 -0400 Received: by dba3.int.libertyrms.info (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 77CBE13744; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:55:32 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: tools-team@ietf.org Subject: web pages (was: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 7 Sept. . .) Message-ID: <20050920195532.GK22477@libertyrms.info> References: <431F1597.9050302@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <431F1597.9050302@levkowetz.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@libertyrms.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5bfa71b340354e384155def5e70b13b X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi all, > * IETF Website re-vamp > - Andrew? Sorry for submerging over the past few weeks. We've undertaken a minor re-organisation here, whereby I moved out from daily operations duties (into the fire of DNS, so it's not like the new assignment is relaxing :-) ). Anyway, the work leading up to that, along with the handover, has meant mostly that I've been looking at these things in approximately 10-minute increments. Needless to say, that's not the most efficient way to work. In any case, I have had a chance to look at the site some more, and to attempt a whack at my first proposal. And while I think that proposal is still possible, I think we need to think twice about it; or at least, understand what we're getting. In the mean time, I've attached a pathetic little sample I put together this morning. As I understand the plan, what we're doing is proposing some new strucutre, but then the Secretariat's paid staff will come in and handle both the actual implementation, and the ongoing maintenance. (If I'm wrong about that, stop me now and correct me -- the rest of this is a waste of time). If I'm right, we have a number of design goals here. They're in no particular order below: * improve the site usability (navigation, &c.) * improve the site's recommendations conformance * improve, or at least leave the same, the site's maintainability * allow obsolete browsers to use the site (in some degraded mode) * allow text-only browsers to work * keep to a minimum the technical requirements for the site. * make mirroring easy and low-bandwidth Here's the problem I see: the actual site files appear to have been organised according to whatever principle was active at the time; or at least, the principle isn't obvious. That means that implementation of any revamp is going to involve looking at, and probably manually editing or moving, every file. I worry about the liklihood of implementation under that stricture. (This sort of depends on the technical sophistication of the staff, and I don't have a feel for that.) In spite of our previous rejection of this answer, therefore, I wonder whether we shouldn't investigate some sort of server-side publication or templating system, which will allow more cut-and-paste type migration. It requires a much greater up front investment in software and set up; but it couls still generate static sites that will be relatively easy to mirror (hrm -- I'm assuming this; maybe none of the publication systems really will do that). In any case, in the meantime, attached is a little tarball that includes a basic outline of the approach I'd originally planned. This one turns out to be even simpler than my original outline, but I suspect it's (at least visually) enough, and still simple enough to cause no trouble when using lynx, &c. It validates, but it doesn't do anything very interesting (and most of the links are currently broken). If this seems totally the wrong place for a bridgehead, I guess it's best to move now. Again, apologies for the slow movement. 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1EI3Wu-0005pA-1H; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:16:52 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EI3Ws-0005o8-47 for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:16:50 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA15653 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.180]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EI3cs-0008Ib-RK for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:23:04 -0400 Received: by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 59E1F380C3; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:16:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46465380B5 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:16:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFE337E46 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:16:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EI3WS-0003xr-Lq for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:16:24 +0200 Message-ID: <43314F17.1030607@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:16:23 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Agenda for the 7 September 2005 Telechat X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Here is the proposed agenda for today's meeting. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. Agenda bashing 2. Comments on the minutes from previous meeting 3. IETF-63: * IANA meeting - Bill? 4. Status review * Event scraping and generation, event xml schema, dashboard - Henrik * Event notification prototype - Jeroen * Draft info draft - Alex * Scheduling tool - Donald? * IETF Website re-vamp - Andrew? 5. Any other business There's an expressed desire for a better interface to the mailing list archives. This could be part of a mailing- list based issue tracking tool, or standalone. 6. Next meeting: Teleconference Wednesday 5 Oct, 16:00 GMT (same local time as today). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. One can also join the call by dialling: sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 21 11:52:09 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EI6tF-00051Q-6f; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:52:09 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EI6tD-00051L-SC for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:52:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00732 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.183]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EI6zE-0006TV-C6 for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:58:23 -0400 Received: by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id ED0013819A; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:51:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1B637E52 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:51:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906AE37E45 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:51:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EI6sw-0000Zo-Rd for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:51:50 +0200 Message-ID: <43318196.4070302@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:51:50 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Agenda for the 21 September 2005 Telechat References: <43314F17.1030607@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <43314F17.1030607@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Arghh - the subject line should say 21 September, of course. Henrik on 2005-09-21 14:16 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: > Hi, > > Here is the proposed agenda for today's meeting. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 1. Agenda bashing > > 2. Comments on the minutes from previous meeting > > 3. IETF-63: > > * IANA meeting - Bill? > > 4. Status review > > * Event scraping and generation, event xml schema, dashboard > - Henrik > > * Event notification prototype > - Jeroen > > * Draft info draft > - Alex > > * Scheduling tool > - Donald? > > * IETF Website re-vamp > - Andrew? > > 5. Any other business > > There's an expressed desire for a better interface to > the mailing list archives. This could be part of a mailing- > list based issue tracking tool, or standalone. > > 6. Next meeting: > > Teleconference Wednesday 5 Oct, 16:00 GMT (same local time > as today). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Connection details: > > To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. > > One can also join the call by dialling: > sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu > on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. > > If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference > system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to > https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 > and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-team mailing list > Tools-team@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team > _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 21 12:08:37 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EI79B-0008NG-F1; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:08:37 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EI799-0008NA-I4 for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:08:35 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA01506 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.219.45.62] (helo=mail.libertyrms.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EI7FA-0006s6-Bi for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:14:51 -0400 Received: from dba3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.12] helo=dba3.int.libertyrms.info ident=postfix) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1EI78w-0004SM-BO for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:08:22 -0400 Received: by dba3.int.libertyrms.info (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 992DE13744; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:08:08 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: tools-team@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Agenda for the 7 September 2005 Telechat Message-ID: <20050921160808.GJ9122@libertyrms.info> References: <43314F17.1030607@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43314F17.1030607@levkowetz.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@libertyrms.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd26b070c2577ac175cd3a6d878c6248 X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Is there something up with the number? I'm dialed in now, 12:07 EDT, and I seem only to be getting hold music. But when I first dial the PIN, I get a "access denied" error. Just something at my end? A On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 02:16:23PM +0200, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi, > > Here is the proposed agenda for today's meeting. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 1. Agenda bashing > > 2. Comments on the minutes from previous meeting > > 3. IETF-63: > > * IANA meeting - Bill? > > 4. Status review > > * Event scraping and generation, event xml schema, dashboard > - Henrik > > * Event notification prototype > - Jeroen > > * Draft info draft > - Alex > > * Scheduling tool > - Donald? > > * IETF Website re-vamp > - Andrew? > > 5. Any other business > > There's an expressed desire for a better interface to > the mailing list archives. This could be part of a mailing- > list based issue tracking tool, or standalone. > > 6. Next meeting: > > Teleconference Wednesday 5 Oct, 16:00 GMT (same local time > as today). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Connection details: > > To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. > > One can also join the call by dialling: > sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu > on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. > > If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference > system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to > https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 > and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-team mailing list > Tools-team@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team -- ---- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 +1 416 646 3304 x4110 _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 21 12:28:32 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EI7SS-0008CD-Ih; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:28:32 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EI7SQ-0008C1-4f for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:28:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA03158 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.20.225.110] (helo=mail-white.research.att.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EI7YT-0007e5-2Q for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:34:46 -0400 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BA08583; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.12.11/8.12.10/Submit) id j8LGSHeO012535; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:28:17 -0400 From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200509211628.j8LGSHeO012535@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Agenda for the 7 September 2005 Telechat References: <43314F17.1030607@levkowetz.com> <20050921160808.GJ9122@libertyrms.info> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:28:17 -0400 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Cc: tools-team@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Andrew, That's odd, Henrik, Alex and I have been on the call since 12:00. If you send me a number I can try to conference you in from this side. Bill _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 21 12:56:44 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EI7tk-0007MO-Q7; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:56:44 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EI7ti-0007ME-R5 for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:56:42 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA04515 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EI7zk-0008OB-QT for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:02:59 -0400 Received: by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id E455E380C3; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:56:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1EDC37E71 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:56:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06E837E44 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:56:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EI7tL-0007Up-1z for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:56:19 +0200 Message-ID: <433190B2.1060905@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:56:18 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 944ecb6e61f753561f559a497458fb4f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 21 September 2005 Telechat X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Here are the minutes from today's meeting. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 0. Present: Alex, Bill, Henrik 1. Agenda bashing Nope 2. Comments on the minutes from previous meeting No comments 3. IETF-63: * IANA meeting - Bill? Talked about hooking up the IANA ticket system with the datatracker, with a lot of ideas of what to do for the 2nd and 3rd iteration, for full iteration, but decide to basically do just email-based messages from the tracker to IANA, generated specially for them. For further stuff, could have the tracker parse the email coming back from IANA and take in the IANA tracker number. Not too enthusiastic about this - these are 2 custom systems, and any code will be custom for one with respect to the other. So email first, but then maybe go for something more generic - an inter-tool XML schema, maybe. But won't do that work yet. 4. Status review * Event scraping and generation, event xml schema, dashboard - Henrik Has been very busy with day job over the last 2 weeks, but has now completed one particular deliverable, and will have more time for the coming 6 weeks or so. Has a new iteration of the XML schema, and has parsing of parts of the ietf-announce mailing list mails in place. Will continue with full parsing and generation of XML meta-information from that. * Event notification prototype - Jeroen No information since last call. * Draft info draft - Alex No good news, too overwhumped with day-job work to make progress on the draft. * Scheduling tool - Donald? No response to pings. * IETF Website re-vamp - Andrew Andrew posted a first page mockup to the list today, which looks like it's going in the right direction. Please check it and comment. (We also got a mail from Andrew a bit into the call indicating problems getting on the call, but didn't catch him with a call back.) 5. Any other business There's an expressed desire for a better interface to the mailing list archives. This could be part of a mailing- list based issue tracking tool, or standalone. Bill has been pretty happy with Lurker. Is running for all of the rtg mailing lists (http://rtg.ietf.org/lurker/) Please have a look, and see if we should set this up for the mailing lists in general. There is also the matter of filling in holes in the official archives - we need to work out a way of back-filling the archives to make them more complete. 6. Next meeting: Teleconference Wednesday 5 Oct, 16:00 GMT (same local time as today). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. One can also join the call by dialling: sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 21 13:09:04 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EI85g-0002xx-I0; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:09:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EI85e-0002xe-GE for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:09:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA05205 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.219.45.62] (helo=mail.libertyrms.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EI8Bi-0000Hh-FH for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:15:18 -0400 Received: from dba3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.12] helo=dba3.int.libertyrms.info ident=postfix) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1EI85S-0006WD-Dt for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:08:50 -0400 Received: by dba3.int.libertyrms.info (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 9A45913744; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:08:36 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: tools-team@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 21 September 2005 Telechat Message-ID: <20050921170836.GL9122@libertyrms.info> References: <433190B2.1060905@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <433190B2.1060905@levkowetz.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@libertyrms.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 06:56:18PM +0200, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > * IETF Website re-vamp > - Andrew > > Andrew posted a first page mockup to the list today, which > looks like it's going in the right direction. Please check > it and comment. > > (We also got a mail from Andrew a bit into the call indicating > problems getting on the call, but didn't catch him with a call > back.) Sorry about whatever the phone problem is here; I'm actually at home w/ a cold (I'm fine, just trying not to infect the subway riders and rest of the office), and I guess the IP phone works up to its usual standards. Anyway, there were some other remarks in that mail that I sent -- I think that we (well, I) really need a clearer idea of what the maintainers of the site are expecting in terms of the work they need to do. I'm very nervous that the maintenance burden of the site is going to be too great for the people who have to maintain it. A -- ---- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 +1 416 646 3304 x4110 _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 21 13:23:10 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EI8JK-0006Ay-6C; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:23:10 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EI8JI-0006Aq-IY for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:23:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06012 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EI8PK-0000hg-EH for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:29:25 -0400 Received: by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 258CA37F87; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:22:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1069537E71; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:22:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E360837E44; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:22:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EI8J5-0001WE-9f; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:22:55 +0200 Message-ID: <433196EE.7030901@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:22:54 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 21 September 2005 Telechat References: <433190B2.1060905@levkowetz.com> <20050921170836.GL9122@libertyrms.info> In-Reply-To: <20050921170836.GL9122@libertyrms.info> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-team@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi Andrew, on 2005-09-21 19:08 Andrew Sullivan said the following: > Sorry about whatever the phone problem is here; I'm actually at home > w/ a cold (I'm fine, just trying not to infect the subway riders and > rest of the office), and I guess the IP phone works up to its usual > standards. No problem; hope you get well soon. > Anyway, there were some other remarks in that mail that I > sent -- I think that we (well, I) really need a clearer idea of what > the maintainers of the site are expecting in terms of the work they > need to do. I'm very nervous that the maintenance burden of the site > is going to be too great for the people who have to maintain it. Yes, I noted that - I read through your mail, but didn't have time to ponder and reply before the call. I expect to be able to do so tomorrow. I don't think it's possible to get reliable input from the people doing the website support till after the (hopefully soon occurring) acquisition by Neustar. After that I'm quite hopeful; I talked with Neustar's CTO during the IETF in Paris, and he seemed very clueful and focused on cooperation with the tools team. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 21 13:52:25 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EI8ld-00087z-Lp; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:52:25 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EI8lc-00087u-9w for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:52:24 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA07529 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EI8rf-0001Ul-Nd for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:58:41 -0400 Received: by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id D211B38091; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:52:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37F438075 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:52:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B215F37E44 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:52:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EI8lQ-000280-4U for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:52:12 +0200 Message-ID: <43319DCB.1090400@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:52:11 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Tool services from the secretariat - change requests X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I'm getting indications from Ray that the deal with Neustar is getting closer, and a list of desired System Change Requests would be very good for the time after the transition has been made. I expect such a list to cover both new tool development, like the automated draft submission interface, and transfer of prototyped tools, to things like suggesting best practices in different areas, upcoming development of e.g. the tracker, and maybe other things. I'll start putting together a list of things which comes to my mind, and would appreciate if you would do the same, and post to the list. Once we feel we have a pretty comprehensive list, we'll need to prioritize it and possibly also categorize it if there are very different classes of things on the list. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 28 13:47:53 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EKg25-0000nY-2Q; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:47:53 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EKg23-0000mK-HP for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:47:51 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA25328 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [65.246.255.62] (helo=D1GSDG11.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1EKg9T-0004oI-77; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:55:32 -0400 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050928130019.0390a168@furball.foretec.com> X-Sender: bfuller@furball.foretec.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:39:07 -0400 To: Henrik Levkowetz From: "Barbara B. Fuller" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Cc: tools-team@ietf.org Subject: [Tools-team] Available Secretariat Tools Page X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi Henrik: While looking at the "Available Secretariat Tools" page (http://tools.ietf.org/inventory/secretariat-tools) on the Tools Team Web site, I noticed that several tools are missing and that some of the descriptions need updating. It occurred to me that the most efficient way to ensure that this page stays current is to have the Secretariat maintain it. We are planning to create a similar page for the IETF Web Site in any case. When we do, it would be easier for you to include a pointer to our page than to maintain the page yourself. Does this make sense?? Cheers!! Barbara ------------------------------------------------ Barbara B. Fuller Acting Executive Director Internet Engineering Task Force Natick, Massachusetts Office: Phone: +1-508-650-4020 Fax: +1-508-650-4639 Reston, Virginia Office: Phone: +1-703-620-9053 Fax: +1-703-620-9071 _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 28 14:58:05 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EKh81-00028t-JK; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:58:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EKh7z-00028b-NW for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:58:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA28843 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKhFT-0006aH-CI for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:05:49 -0400 Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id F228938038; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:57:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBCE37E8D; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:57:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD6037E43; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:57:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EKh7a-0005EY-Ep; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:57:38 +0200 Message-ID: <433AE7A2.10703@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:57:38 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Barbara B. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi Barbara, on 2005-09-28 19:39 Barbara B. Fuller said the following: > Hi Henrik: > > While looking at the "Available Secretariat Tools" page > (http://tools.ietf.org/inventory/secretariat-tools) on the Tools Team Web > site, I noticed that several tools are missing and that some of the > descriptions need updating. True. > It occurred to me that the most efficient way > to ensure that this page stays current is to have the Secretariat maintain > it. We are planning to create a similar page for the IETF Web Site in any > case. When we do, it would be easier for you to include a pointer to our > page than to maintain the page yourself. > > Does this make sense?? Sure, that sounds like a good idea. Let me know when you have it up! Best, Henrik > Cheers!! > > Barbara > > ------------------------------------------------ > Barbara B. Fuller > Acting Executive Director > Internet Engineering Task Force > > Natick, Massachusetts Office: > > Phone: +1-508-650-4020 > Fax: +1-508-650-4639 > > Reston, Virginia Office: > > Phone: +1-703-620-9053 > Fax: +1-703-620-9071 > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-team mailing list > Tools-team@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team > _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team