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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sun Mar 1 15:01:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3173A6BF7 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:01:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.655 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.655 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.643, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SQRaJOo7yhv5 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:01:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6263E3A6BF2 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:01:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n21MtAdR026866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n21MtAAU026865; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:55:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from denver.dinauz.org (dinauz.org [91.121.67.5]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n21MswJ5026839 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:55:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by denver.dinauz.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BB834BD for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:54:57 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at dinauz.org Received: from denver.dinauz.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dinauz.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id krCiKBuxZxmW for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:54:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from Iulius (AAubervilliers-151-1-29-41.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.112.20.41]) by denver.dinauz.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2ABDC34BB for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:54:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Charset in newgroup sample Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:54:08 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, In the sample of newgroup control message: Control: newgroup example.admin.info moderated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nxtprt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is a MIME control message. --nxtprt Content-Type: application/news-groupinfo For your newsgroups file: example.admin.info About the example.* groups (Moderated) --nxtprt Content-Type: text/plain A moderated newsgroup for announcements about new newsgroups in the example.* hierarchy. --nxtprt-- wouldn't it be better to put the charsets in order to highlight the fact they are useful (though it is said the default is US-ASCII)? I fear people might still forget it... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nxtprt"; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: application/news-groupinfo; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii or another one if you want (iso-8858-1 and utf-8 are also fine for instance but RFC 2046 states it SHOULD be the lowest common denominator us-ascii, enough for that sample). Why mention the charset? RFC 2046 also states: In order to eliminate such ambiguity and variations in the future, it is strongly recommended that new user agents explicitly specify a character set as a media type parameter in the Content-Type header field. In our case, the most important is the second one. Incidentally, I wonder what happens when the first one is defined to utf-8 and the second one is undefined. Is it utf-8 (out of transitivity) or us-ascii? -- Julien ÉLIE « Plus un ordinateur possède de RAM, plus vite il peut générer un message d'erreur. » From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sun Mar 1 18:29:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BEBA28C0CE for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:29:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qO4cR5rSKW22 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:29:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255B03A6872 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:29:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n222RWBc033790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:27:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n222RWJA033789; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:27:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu (smtp1.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.81]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n222RLc9033780 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:27:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 2895B170B3F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp1.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03ABB170577 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DFB0DEABF6; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:27:20 -0800 (PST) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Charset in newgroup sample In-Reply-To: ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Sun\, 1 Mar 2009 23\:54\:08 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) References: From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:27:20 -0800 Message-ID: <87ab84hd6f.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: > In the sample of newgroup control message: > > Control: newgroup example.admin.info moderated > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=3D"nxtprt" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > This is a MIME control message. > --nxtprt > Content-Type: application/news-groupinfo > > For your newsgroups file: > example.admin.info About the example.* groups (Moderated) > > --nxtprt > Content-Type: text/plain > > A moderated newsgroup for announcements about new newsgroups in > the example.* hierarchy. > > --nxtprt-- > > wouldn't it be better to put the charsets in order to highlight the > fact they are useful (though it is said the default is US-ASCII)? Yeah, probably a good idea. I'll make that change. > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=3D"nxtprt"; charset=3Dus-asc= ii As near as I can tell from RFC 2046, charset is not a valid parameter for multipart/* content types. It's only supposed to go on the final constituent parts. Among other things, this avoids... > In our case, the most important is the second one. Incidentally, > I wonder what happens when the first one is defined to utf-8 and > the second one is undefined. Is it utf-8 (out of transitivity) > or us-ascii? ...that problem. :) --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sun Mar 1 18:29:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FDE328C10E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:29:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SvwFn6aTHF3D for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837A128C0CE for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n222SrKG033814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:28:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n222Sr3Z033813; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:28:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n222SgYn033806 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:28:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 7234A3B6E04 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE5A3B6E01 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 05437EABF6; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:28:41 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.14 Message-Id: <20090302022841.05437EABF6@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:28:41 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 @ 18:28:39 Author: eagle Revision: 5766 Clarify handling of and change the example to use YYYYMMDDNN. Suggest string comparisons for potentially long serial numbers. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-03-01 22:43:59 UTC (rev 5765) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-03-02 02:28:39 UTC (rev 5766) @@ -1962,19 +1962,28 @@ or sub-hierarchy with a smaller <chksernr> value or with no <chksernr> value. + There is no upper limit on the length of <chksernr> + other than the limitation on the length of header fields. + Implementations may therefore want to do comparisons by + zero-padding the shorter of two <chksernr> values on the + left and then doing a string comparison rather than assuming + <chksernr> can be manipulated as a number. +
For example, the following Control header field - Control: checkgroups de !de.alt #248 + Control: checkgroups de !de.alt #2009021301 indicates the body of the message will list every newsgroup in the de.* hierarchy, excepting the de.alt.* sub-hierarchy, and should not be honored if a checkgroups - control message with a serial number greater than 248 was - previously honored. + control message with a serial number greater than 2009021301 + was previously honored. The serial number in this example + was formed from the date in YYYYMMDD format followed by a + two-digit sequence number within that date.
The body of the message is an entity of type From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sun Mar 1 18:33:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947723A6807 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:33:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EIJ8C8EXA-z1 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:33:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEE228C10E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:33:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n222WEif033942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:32:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n222WEeh033941; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:32:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n222WDSk033935 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:32:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id D162E3B6BC9 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:32:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82A63B67E0 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:32:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B14B6EABF6; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:32:13 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.14 Message-Id: <20090302023213.B14B6EABF6@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:32:13 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 @ 18:32:11 Author: eagle Revision: 5767 Add explicit charset attributes to the newgroup example to remind readers to think about them. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-03-02 02:28:39 UTC (rev 5766) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-03-02 02:32:11 UTC (rev 5767) @@ -1884,13 +1884,13 @@ This is a MIME control message. --nxtprt - Content-Type: application/news-groupinfo + Content-Type: application/news-groupinfo; charset=us-ascii For your newsgroups file: example.admin.info About the example.* groups (Moderated) --nxtprt - Content-Type: text/plain + Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A moderated newsgroup for announcements about new newsgroups in the example.* hierarchy. From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sun Mar 1 23:26:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C5628C1FC for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:26:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.655 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.655 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.643, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q20NvKA-U31C for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3545E28C1F9 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:26:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n227K83W044593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:20:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n227K7wR044592; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:20:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from denver.dinauz.org (dinauz.org [91.121.67.5]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n227Jtjj044575 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:20:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by denver.dinauz.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EA82F55 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:19:53 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at dinauz.org Received: from denver.dinauz.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dinauz.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J7BznqxugaTu for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:19:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from Iulius (AAubervilliers-151-1-29-41.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.112.20.41]) by denver.dinauz.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 54F46484 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:19:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3C81E04EE5024723B26C3ACF668D8F42@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <87ab84hd6f.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <87ab84hd6f.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: Charset in newgroup sample Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:19:04 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Russ, >> wouldn't it be better to put the charsets in order to highlight the >> fact they are useful (though it is said the default is US-ASCII)? > > Yeah, probably a good idea. I'll make that change. Thanks for your commit. >> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nxtprt"; charset=us-ascii > > As near as I can tell from RFC 2046, charset is not a valid parameter for > multipart/* content types. It's only supposed to go on the final > constituent parts. Among other things, this avoids... > >> In our case, the most important is the second one. Incidentally, >> I wonder what happens when the first one is defined to utf-8 and >> the second one is undefined. Is it utf-8 (out of transitivity) >> or us-ascii? > > ...that problem. :) All right! Thanks! -- Julien ÉLIE « There's a way of transferring funds that is even faster than electronic banking. It's called marriage. » (Sam Kinison) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon Mar 2 11:03:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE54B3A6858 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:03:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.655 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.655 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.643, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YLb5AaH4XCuv for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:03:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFB23A6BD9 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:03:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n22J1F8U085863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:01:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n22J1FIB085862; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:01:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from denver.dinauz.org (dinauz.org [91.121.67.5]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n22J14Nc085849 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:01:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by denver.dinauz.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D9A34FD for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:01:03 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at dinauz.org Received: from denver.dinauz.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dinauz.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jnl2nXNZQ7do for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:01:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from Iulius (AAubervilliers-151-1-29-41.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.112.20.41]) by denver.dinauz.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 12D223046 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:01:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <566FB70104F646668648AAAC1349F890@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <87ab84hd6f.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <87ab84hd6f.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: Charset in newgroup sample Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:00:13 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, >> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nxtprt"; charset=us-ascii > > As near as I can tell from RFC 2046, charset is not a valid parameter for > multipart/* content types. It's only supposed to go on the final > constituent parts. Among other things, this avoids... I also see that RFC 2046 only accepts US-ASCII for the preamble of a MIME message (I thought a charset for multipart/mixed would be useful for it, but it is in fact useless): preamble := discard-text discard-text := *(*text CRLF) *text text = CHAR = ; ( 0-177, 0.-127.) It is therefore impossible to write "This is a MIME control message." in Chinese. Control: newgroup example.admin.info moderated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nxtprt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is a MIME control message. --nxtprt The parts are defined as: body-part := MIME-part-headers [CRLF *OCTET] OCTET := That's fine. -- Julien ÉLIE « -- Il l'aura voulu. -- Tu crois vraiment ? » (Astérix) From nfekrazad@alum.rpi.edu Mon Mar 2 14:29:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790E23A69E9 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:29:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -45.463 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-45.463 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_VERIZON_P=2.144, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR=2.426, HELO_EQ_VERIZON_POOL=1.495, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=1.778, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KGOoWV1qCsCH for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:29:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-173-55-59-205.lsanca.fios.verizon.net (pool-173-55-59-205.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [173.55.59.205]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 080363A6403 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:29:09 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Sales Receipt from Amazon From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090302222910.080363A6403@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:29:09 -0800 (PST)
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Modified: docs/usefor/Makefile docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/Makefile =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/Makefile 2009-03-03 04:00:37 UTC (rev 5774) +++ docs/usefor/Makefile 2009-03-03 20:14:49 UTC (rev 5775) @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ # Generate new text and HTML versions of the USEPRO document and copy them # somewhere reasonable on my web site. -DRAFT = draft-ietf-usefor-usepro-13 +DRAFT = draft-ietf-usefor-usepro-14 WEB = /home/eagle/web/eagle/usefor/drafts all: text html Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-03-03 04:00:37 UTC (rev 5774) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-03-03 20:14:49 UTC (rev 5775) @@ -28,7 +28,7 @@ 'http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.5234.xml'> ]> - Netnews Architecture and Protocols @@ -64,7 +64,7 @@ - + Applications Usenet Format Working Group From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Mar 3 12:23:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1513A6A7A for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:23:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3F93MplFKUuV for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:23:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DA83A67F6 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:23:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n23KMsGp070223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:22:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n23KMssA070222; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:22:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (smtp4.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.84]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n23KMrcs070216 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:22:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 5DB1C48625E for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp4.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F9E4861F0 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 24D3BE7F13; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:22:53 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.14 Message-Id: <20090303202253.24D3BE7F13@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:22:53 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 @ 12:22:52 Author: eagle Revision: 5777 Update the legal boilerplate. 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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed Mar 11 05:06:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CC43A6881 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:06:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TH0i2CGhRwdN for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955A13A687D for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2BC0SjN003986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:00:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n2BC0SgO003985; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:00:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2BC0GEq003952 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:00:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B83839E2B5 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:00:16 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D1HnPHTh2zhl for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:00:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from hta-warp.trd.corp.google.com (unknown [195.18.164.170]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C72D039E0BB for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:00:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:00:14 +0100 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Usenet Subject: USEPRO document on IESG processing queue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Lisa has scheduled the USEPRO document for IESG discussion on April 2. 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Harald Alvestrand From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed Mar 11 13:00:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FA03A6A7D for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:00:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.497 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.497 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.102, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W1-iNYqvLsTG for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B7428C180 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2BJxFHG035345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:59:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n2BJxFe9035344; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:59:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.241]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2BJx4RG035336 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:59:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lisa.dusseault@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so156797rvb.34 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:59:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=sMSdC0je47rcWjzBJEIU0cPK0JFE2z2vbjQ7oDFkcrQ=; b=GDE3XnXobZWwj5CPdR135IcWvc29EIRs3TJQKURLc6BVNCyyBH6RJgZfG9b60DqYui I6gpSTiD/VacUIiKQ9FdxdyNm8Fb2MRR8R2jND1YX6+VaN8unz0Od4E6uzelR/7jB5JK Ev01j9qd/k+K07Rts1aGd/+kbEUoBh9hYO41k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=L4JsArvXmSC46hJdn8yWYZcyLqR+bNFQWVCfyVQ+kthXWu8XweNnFeEucgT8bnSAGF rpWtaEdnu4Jcl/zAXGUWc6ObkYtNeGgtmBPvZPv/5RgJudgYHgxbrOoTh0nMlUEDJoH1 1jYML2yd4YzA2mU2O2CxUFppCCfewp5/TAduA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.197.14 with SMTP id z14mr4545569rvp.203.1236801544155; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:59:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> References: <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:59:04 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: USEPRO document on IESG processing queue From: Lisa Dusseault To: Harald Alvestrand Cc: Usenet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Actually, it's on the IESG's agenda for tomorrow! Lisa On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Harald Alvestrand w= rote: > > Lisa has scheduled the USEPRO document for IESG discussion on April 2. > Let's hope this is the end of this work. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Harald Alvestrand > > From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Thu Mar 12 05:14:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703443A6A34 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:14:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.207, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CUVpI-XqMgYi for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FA13A6A37 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2CCCIj6080797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n2CCCIjv080796; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net [79.135.125.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2CCC6bh080764 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster$pop3^clerew^man*ac&uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 49b8fc14.73ab.2723 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:12:04 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n2CCC2Pk018357 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:12:02 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n2CCC1tZ018353 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:12:01 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25008 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Issue [1586] (was USEPRO document on IESG processing queue) Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:42 GMT Lines: 65 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> Harald Alvestrand writes: >Lisa has scheduled the USEPRO document for IESG discussion on April 2. >Let's hope this is the end of this work. But this is NOT yet the end of this work, since we still have not resolved Issue 1586. The last contribution on this was from Russ on Feb 1st , the relevant part of which is: >I think our options here are: > >1. Treat the Path header as special and permit (or even encourage) > retaining it while not permitting retention of the other trace headers, > on the grounds that it has an intrinsic ordering and therefore isn't as > prone to confusion as having multiple trace headers that aren't > ordered. > >2. Leave the existing wording, which requires multiple injection to remove > or rename the Path header but allows readers to add spurious POSTED > s by violating a SHOULD. I'm not entirely comfortable > with it, but I can't think of any specific protocol harm it could > cause. > >3. Restore the MUST in the proto-article section to match the MUST in > 3.4.2 and make the document consistent but possibly too strict. > >4. Relax the MUST generally in 3.4.2, but then we will run into issues > with Injection-Info, which the posting agent is not permitted to supply > and which doesn't have an intrinsic ordering the way that the Path > header does. > >The more I think about it, the more option 1 seems like a workable idea, >but I think that's reversing some decisions that we made some time back. >That makes me nervous at this stage of the process. I replied to that agreeing that option 1 was the best way to proceed, so that leaves Russ and myself in agreement. The only other view expressed was yourself a couple of days before that expressing some doubt concerning the possible advantage "script kiddies" might take if we permitted multiple "POSTED"s to remain in Paths. I am of the view that there are pros and cons to that approach, but am of the opinion that on balance it is better to allow them. I would be willing to provide detailed wording suggestions, but would prefer that we reach agreement in principle first that option 1 is the way we want to go. BTW, it seemed that Russ had comitted changes prior to publishing a further draft, but I have seen no sign of such a draft - an in particular no notice of it has appeared here. -- Charles H. 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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Thu Mar 12 12:49:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551723A6A73 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:49:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FRDebOyA-ayJ for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D5D3A69B0 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2CJmuqe010551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n2CJmuth010550; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2CJmiwq010517 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 803D951C67B for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp2.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6429D51C4A3 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 03D25E78DA; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:44 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Re: Issue [1586] In-Reply-To: (Charles Lindsey's message of "Thu\, 12 Mar 2009 11\:24\:42 GMT") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) References: <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:43 -0700 Message-ID: <87ab7qo738.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: "Charles Lindsey" writes: > BTW, it seemed that Russ had comitted changes prior to publishing a > further draft, but I have seen no sign of such a draft - an in > particular no notice of it has appeared here. http://www.imc.org/ietf-usefor/mail-archive/msg04543.html I'm not sure why you wouldn't have received it. (There were no changes related to #1586 in it relative to -13.) -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Thu Mar 12 14:04:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C0D28C141 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:04:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.098, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WD12pf0C-tQP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825073A6805 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2CL2STx014850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:02:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n2CL2SUI014849; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:02:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.246]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2CL2Hh9014833 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lisa.dusseault@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so1293741rvb.34 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:02:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=H5k5TdphoQAs8CPeLuqj9kuXlbuqGPpjjWr8z6jxruY=; b=YVx+uZuNrrEn1xVdVI3Pl2tQIabgs/rAqifbnd0EmG+l4dZxh/2/4Y3qLtmDFDP7zu 7QYgaMF+Skyp5tSgRidE9wRsALDrZ4dsw+k+NSK4iEhxJ/2PQx6XPhBsoNFSwdtoy+xa XG5a7FuFQFQt0P9vlKkxsJlSz0ghGV8kUt8GM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mhaD1XeIidGZpgqInOWn7zerYMrxyBsAyv+VUoVvZ8viwOQ5yEC6vNvOakRexN00WZ ieyLmymrPnO7kfsBkVVFBFuu+GZJB3I6FQnwyvmwEYVV3N2tbrsEH2LcGKwNmJ3i45GH 401kpiPYYzlw9o6VnG8uQlOANCT/sezaBMsbA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.161.11 with SMTP id j11mr185759rve.114.1236891736968; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:02:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:02:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Issue [1586] (was USEPRO document on IESG processing queue) From: Lisa Dusseault To: Charles Lindsey Cc: ietf-usefor@imc.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, USEFOR is done as a WG. I checked this with the chairs, and the energy to try to make any further improvements or clarifications is just not there. The issues are sufficiently dealt with. The IESG reviewed the document and decided it was a sufficient improvement on the previous RFC to be worth approving. In many ways this is a job well done despite the slowness of closing bunch of issues. Thank-you for your efforts in helping us get to this finishing point. Lisa On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Charles Lindsey wro= te: > > In <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> Harald Alvestrand writes: > >>Lisa has scheduled the USEPRO document for IESG discussion on April 2. >>Let's hope this is the end of this work. > > But this is NOT yet the end of this work, since we still have not resolve= d > Issue 1586. > > The last contribution on this was from Russ on Feb 1st > , the relevant > part of which is: > >>I think our options here are: >> >>1. Treat the Path header as special and permit (or even encourage) >> =A0 retaining it while not permitting retention of the other trace heade= rs, >> =A0 on the grounds that it has an intrinsic ordering and therefore isn't= as >> =A0 prone to confusion as having multiple trace headers that aren't >> =A0 ordered. >> >>2. Leave the existing wording, which requires multiple injection to remov= e >> =A0 or rename the Path header but allows readers to add spurious POSTED >> =A0 s by violating a SHOULD. =A0I'm not entirely comfortab= le >> =A0 with it, but I can't think of any specific protocol harm it could >> =A0 cause. >> >>3. Restore the MUST in the proto-article section to match the MUST in >> =A0 3.4.2 and make the document consistent but possibly too strict. >> >>4. Relax the MUST generally in 3.4.2, but then we will run into issues >> =A0 with Injection-Info, which the posting agent is not permitted to sup= ply >> =A0 and which doesn't have an intrinsic ordering the way that the Path >> =A0 header does. >> >>The more I think about it, the more option 1 seems like a workable idea, >>but I think that's reversing some decisions that we made some time back. >>That makes me nervous at this stage of the process. > > I replied to that agreeing that option 1 was the best way to proceed, so > that leaves Russ and myself in agreement. > > The only other view expressed was yourself a couple of days before that > expressing some doubt concerning the possible advantage "script kiddies" > might take if we permitted multiple "POSTED"s to remain in Paths. I am of > the view that there are pros and cons to that approach, but am of the > opinion that on balance it is better to allow them. > > I would be willing to provide detailed wording suggestions, but would > prefer that we reach agreement in principle first that option 1 is the wa= y > we want to go. > > BTW, it seemed that Russ had comitted changes prior to publishing a > further draft, but I have seen no sign of such a draft - an in particular > no notice of it has appeared here. > > -- > Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------= ------ > Tel: +44 161 436 6131 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk= /~chl > Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk =A0 =A0 =A0Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, S= K8 3JU, U.K. > PGP: 2C15F1A9 =A0 =A0 =A0Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E= 14 A4 AB A5 > > From l.monkuss@aaea.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 13 02:09:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8FC3A6814 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:09:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -43.892 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-43.892 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_80=2, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.552, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_3=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_NONE=0.1, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4P4o9F9Usd5I for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amax.com (unknown [124.189.230.113]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 453463A6AE2 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:09:06 -0700 (PDT) To: Subject: RE: failure notice From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090313090909.453463A6AE2@core3.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:09:06 -0700 (PDT)
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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri Mar 13 09:03:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD97C28C16E for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:03:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wyqUff+oeWui for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16CA3A6B3B for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2DFxpiZ067893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:59:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n2DFxpDK067892; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:59:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2DFxmEe067878 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:59:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A0E39E0C1; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:59:48 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4aX+5Mae56Ln; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:59:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from hta-warp.trd.corp.google.com (unknown [195.18.164.170]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30F3E39E0BB; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:59:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49BA82EE.9010701@alvestrand.no> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:59:42 +0100 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charles Lindsey CC: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Re: Issue [1586] (was USEPRO document on IESG processing queue) References: <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Charles Lindsey wrote: > In <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> Harald Alvestrand writes: > > >> Lisa has scheduled the USEPRO document for IESG discussion on April 2. >> Let's hope this is the end of this work. >> > > But this is NOT yet the end of this work, since we still have not resolved > Issue 1586. > > The last contribution on this was from Russ on Feb 1st > , the relevant > part of which is: > That's wrong. The last contribution on this issue number is on February 4, from yourself: > In <49883847.3080601@alvestrand.no> Harald Alvestrand writes: > > >> >Charles Lindsey wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> NOTE: Whereas the presence of two "POSTED" s will often >>> >> indicate a malicious attempt to disguise the true origin of an article, >>> >> it could also arise following some ususual gatewaying or injecting >>> >> scenario (taking advantage of the "MAY contain" above), in which case >>> >> it could be useful for detecting unintended loops or mismanaged >>> >> gateways. The whole intent of these >> >> humans in assessing unusual situations, and it would be unwise for >>> >> subsequent agents automatically to assume one possibility or the other. >>> >> >>> > > >> >I disagree with this idea, and think we should keep the SHOULD NOT. >> > > >> >Not throwing away information can be accomplished by tricks like >> >Old-Path:. As the proposed note effectively says, saying that multiple >> >POSTs are generally acceptable is an invitation to the script kiddies to >> >play with it. >> > > If the script kiddies try it, they will get caught out because two POSTEDs > will then be present and any suspicion of trollery will be confirmed. > > But in the case of some carefully crafted Gatewaying scheme, or, worse, in > the case of some broken Gatewaying scheme that ought to be spotted, > destroying the evidence will do harm. And I doubt people will want to > bother with Old-Post hacks. > > There are plenty of Netkops around who will gleefully denounce the trolls, > and plenty of experienced newsadmins who will notice indications of broken > Gatewaying (especially if consistently repeated) and quietly warn those > causing it. Russ and I did not agree with your proposal. Given that only 3 people commented at that time, I saw absolutely no reason to hold up finishing the USEPRO document while waiting for more people to come on board with opinions. rt.psg.com is down today, so I can't verify whether I actually closed the issue. But I see no need to reopen it. Harald From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri Mar 13 11:07:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3373A6909 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:07:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.995 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.995 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.603, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VQF-k6rwvxsf for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5AFC3A6855 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2DI5AYX075157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:05:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n2DI5AOT075156; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:05:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net [79.135.125.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2DI4wXP075132 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:05:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chl@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster*pop3#clerew$man*ac$uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 49baa048.7206.239; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:04:56 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n2DI4r1e009345; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:04:54 GMT Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:04:53 -0000 To: "Harald Alvestrand" Subject: Re: Issue [1586] (was USEPRO document on IESG processing queue) From: "Charles Lindsey" Cc: ietf-usefor@imc.org Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> <49BA82EE.9010701@alvestrand.no> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49BA82EE.9010701@alvestrand.no> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.25 (SunOS) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:59:42 -0000, Harald Alvestrand wrote: > Charles Lindsey wrote: >> But this is NOT yet the end of this work, since we still have not >> resolved >> Issue 1586. >> >> The last contribution on this was from Russ on Feb 1st >> , the >> relevant >> part of which is: >> > That's wrong. > > The last contribution on this issue number is on February 4, from > yourself: True, but that was mainly a +1 to what Russ was suggesting, with little additional comment. > Russ and I did not agree with your proposal. Given that only 3 people > commented at that time, ... On the contrary, after I had clarified my proposal by showing actual wording, Russ essentially acepted it, and indeed he improved it (modulo actual wordsmithing). -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131     Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk      Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9      Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri Mar 13 13:23:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09683A688B for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:23:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FmNVeHEV23JL for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39373A69E0 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2DKKFwb082333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:20:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n2DKKFQa082332; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:20:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2DKKEs5082324 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:20:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wwwrun@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 674833A688B; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: IESG Secretary To: IETF Announcement list Cc: ietf-usefor@imc.org, alexey.melnikov@isode.com, harald@alvestrand.no Subject: WG Action: Conclusion of Usenet Article Standard Update (usefor) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090313201935.674833A688B@core3.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: The Usenet Article Standard Update (usefor) working group in the Applications Area has concluded. 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The IESG contact persons are Lisa Dusseault and Alexey Melnikov. A URL of this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-usefor-usepro-14.txt Technical summary: This document describes the operational procedures involved in running the NetNews service, including the roles of all the components of the service. It establishes terminology and expectations of behaviour for News servers independent of the protocol they use to communicate. This, together with draft-ietf-usefor-usefor, obsoletes RFC 1036. Working group summary: The USEFOR working group has been working on this document in various versions since 1998. This version was split from the -usefor document in 2004. Progress has been slow, and contention has erupted over both major and minor matters. The group is now down to a very small size (~5 people), and it is not believed that working at this longer will improve the document significantly. 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The IESG contact persons are Lisa Dusseault and Alexey Melnikov. A URL of this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-usefor-usepro-14.txt Technical summary: This document describes the operational procedures involved in running the NetNews service, including the roles of all the components of the service. It establishes terminology and expectations of behaviour for News servers independent of the protocol they use to communicate. This, together with draft-ietf-usefor-usefor, obsoletes RFC 1036. Working group summary: The USEFOR working group has been working on this document in various versions since 1998. This version was split from the -usefor document in 2004. Progress has been slow, and contention has erupted over both major and minor matters. The group is now down to a very small size (~5 people), and it is not believed that working at this longer will improve the document significantly. The WG has consensus that this document is a far better specification than RFC 1036. Protocol quality The specification allows major News implementations to claim conformance as-is. Some innovations done in the course of the WG's work have been incorporated into existing News servers. The editor is himself a News server implementor. 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Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2DI5AYX075157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:05:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n2DI5AOT075156; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:05:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net [79.135.125.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2DI4wXP075132 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:05:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chl@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster*pop3#clerew$man*ac$uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 49baa048.7206.239; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:04:56 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n2DI4r1e009345; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:04:54 GMT Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:04:53 -0000 To: "Harald Alvestrand" Subject: Re: Issue [1586] (was USEPRO document on IESG processing queue) From: "Charles Lindsey" Cc: ietf-usefor@imc.org Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> <49BA82EE.9010701@alvestrand.no> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49BA82EE.9010701@alvestrand.no> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.25 (SunOS) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:59:42 -0000, Harald Alvestrand wrote: > Charles Lindsey wrote: >> But this is NOT yet the end of this work, since we still have not >> resolved >> Issue 1586. >> >> The last contribution on this was from Russ on Feb 1st >> , the >> relevant >> part of which is: >> > That's wrong. > > The last contribution on this issue number is on February 4, from > yourself: True, but that was mainly a +1 to what Russ was suggesting, with little additional comment. > Russ and I did not agree with your proposal. Given that only 3 people > commented at that time, ... On the contrary, after I had clarified my proposal by showing actual wording, Russ essentially acepted it, and indeed he improved it (modulo actual wordsmithing). -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131     Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk      Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9      Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2DFxpiZ067893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:59:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n2DFxpDK067892; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:59:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2DFxmEe067878 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:59:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A0E39E0C1; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:59:48 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4aX+5Mae56Ln; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:59:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from hta-warp.trd.corp.google.com (unknown [195.18.164.170]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30F3E39E0BB; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:59:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49BA82EE.9010701@alvestrand.no> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:59:42 +0100 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charles Lindsey CC: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Re: Issue [1586] (was USEPRO document on IESG processing queue) References: <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Charles Lindsey wrote: > In <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> Harald Alvestrand writes: > > >> Lisa has scheduled the USEPRO document for IESG discussion on April 2. >> Let's hope this is the end of this work. >> > > But this is NOT yet the end of this work, since we still have not resolved > Issue 1586. > > The last contribution on this was from Russ on Feb 1st > , the relevant > part of which is: > That's wrong. The last contribution on this issue number is on February 4, from yourself: > In <49883847.3080601@alvestrand.no> Harald Alvestrand writes: > > >> >Charles Lindsey wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> NOTE: Whereas the presence of two "POSTED" s will often >>> >> indicate a malicious attempt to disguise the true origin of an article, >>> >> it could also arise following some ususual gatewaying or injecting >>> >> scenario (taking advantage of the "MAY contain" above), in which case >>> >> it could be useful for detecting unintended loops or mismanaged >>> >> gateways. The whole intent of these >> >> humans in assessing unusual situations, and it would be unwise for >>> >> subsequent agents automatically to assume one possibility or the other. >>> >> >>> > > >> >I disagree with this idea, and think we should keep the SHOULD NOT. >> > > >> >Not throwing away information can be accomplished by tricks like >> >Old-Path:. As the proposed note effectively says, saying that multiple >> >POSTs are generally acceptable is an invitation to the script kiddies to >> >play with it. >> > > If the script kiddies try it, they will get caught out because two POSTEDs > will then be present and any suspicion of trollery will be confirmed. > > But in the case of some carefully crafted Gatewaying scheme, or, worse, in > the case of some broken Gatewaying scheme that ought to be spotted, > destroying the evidence will do harm. And I doubt people will want to > bother with Old-Post hacks. > > There are plenty of Netkops around who will gleefully denounce the trolls, > and plenty of experienced newsadmins who will notice indications of broken > Gatewaying (especially if consistently repeated) and quietly warn those > causing it. Russ and I did not agree with your proposal. Given that only 3 people commented at that time, I saw absolutely no reason to hold up finishing the USEPRO document while waiting for more people to come on board with opinions. rt.psg.com is down today, so I can't verify whether I actually closed the issue. But I see no need to reopen it. Harald Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2CL2STx014850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:02:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n2CL2SUI014849; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:02:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.246]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2CL2Hh9014833 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lisa.dusseault@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so1293741rvb.34 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:02:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=H5k5TdphoQAs8CPeLuqj9kuXlbuqGPpjjWr8z6jxruY=; b=YVx+uZuNrrEn1xVdVI3Pl2tQIabgs/rAqifbnd0EmG+l4dZxh/2/4Y3qLtmDFDP7zu 7QYgaMF+Skyp5tSgRidE9wRsALDrZ4dsw+k+NSK4iEhxJ/2PQx6XPhBsoNFSwdtoy+xa XG5a7FuFQFQt0P9vlKkxsJlSz0ghGV8kUt8GM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mhaD1XeIidGZpgqInOWn7zerYMrxyBsAyv+VUoVvZ8viwOQ5yEC6vNvOakRexN00WZ ieyLmymrPnO7kfsBkVVFBFuu+GZJB3I6FQnwyvmwEYVV3N2tbrsEH2LcGKwNmJ3i45GH 401kpiPYYzlw9o6VnG8uQlOANCT/sezaBMsbA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.161.11 with SMTP id j11mr185759rve.114.1236891736968; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:02:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:02:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Issue [1586] (was USEPRO document on IESG processing queue) From: Lisa Dusseault To: Charles Lindsey Cc: ietf-usefor@imc.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, USEFOR is done as a WG. I checked this with the chairs, and the energy to try to make any further improvements or clarifications is just not there. The issues are sufficiently dealt with. The IESG reviewed the document and decided it was a sufficient improvement on the previous RFC to be worth approving. In many ways this is a job well done despite the slowness of closing bunch of issues. Thank-you for your efforts in helping us get to this finishing point. Lisa On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Charles Lindsey wro= te: > > In <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> Harald Alvestrand writes: > >>Lisa has scheduled the USEPRO document for IESG discussion on April 2. >>Let's hope this is the end of this work. > > But this is NOT yet the end of this work, since we still have not resolve= d > Issue 1586. > > The last contribution on this was from Russ on Feb 1st > , the relevant > part of which is: > >>I think our options here are: >> >>1. Treat the Path header as special and permit (or even encourage) >> =A0 retaining it while not permitting retention of the other trace heade= rs, >> =A0 on the grounds that it has an intrinsic ordering and therefore isn't= as >> =A0 prone to confusion as having multiple trace headers that aren't >> =A0 ordered. >> >>2. Leave the existing wording, which requires multiple injection to remov= e >> =A0 or rename the Path header but allows readers to add spurious POSTED >> =A0 s by violating a SHOULD. =A0I'm not entirely comfortab= le >> =A0 with it, but I can't think of any specific protocol harm it could >> =A0 cause. >> >>3. Restore the MUST in the proto-article section to match the MUST in >> =A0 3.4.2 and make the document consistent but possibly too strict. >> >>4. Relax the MUST generally in 3.4.2, but then we will run into issues >> =A0 with Injection-Info, which the posting agent is not permitted to sup= ply >> =A0 and which doesn't have an intrinsic ordering the way that the Path >> =A0 header does. >> >>The more I think about it, the more option 1 seems like a workable idea, >>but I think that's reversing some decisions that we made some time back. >>That makes me nervous at this stage of the process. > > I replied to that agreeing that option 1 was the best way to proceed, so > that leaves Russ and myself in agreement. > > The only other view expressed was yourself a couple of days before that > expressing some doubt concerning the possible advantage "script kiddies" > might take if we permitted multiple "POSTED"s to remain in Paths. I am of > the view that there are pros and cons to that approach, but am of the > opinion that on balance it is better to allow them. > > I would be willing to provide detailed wording suggestions, but would > prefer that we reach agreement in principle first that option 1 is the wa= y > we want to go. > > BTW, it seemed that Russ had comitted changes prior to publishing a > further draft, but I have seen no sign of such a draft - an in particular > no notice of it has appeared here. > > -- > Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------= ------ > Tel: +44 161 436 6131 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk= /~chl > Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk =A0 =A0 =A0Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, S= K8 3JU, U.K. > PGP: 2C15F1A9 =A0 =A0 =A0Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E= 14 A4 AB A5 > > Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2CJmuqe010551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n2CJmuth010550; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2CJmiwq010517 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 803D951C67B for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp2.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6429D51C4A3 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 03D25E78DA; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:44 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Re: Issue [1586] In-Reply-To: (Charles Lindsey's message of "Thu\, 12 Mar 2009 11\:24\:42 GMT") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) References: <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:48:43 -0700 Message-ID: <87ab7qo738.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: "Charles Lindsey" writes: > BTW, it seemed that Russ had comitted changes prior to publishing a > further draft, but I have seen no sign of such a draft - an in > particular no notice of it has appeared here. http://www.imc.org/ietf-usefor/mail-archive/msg04543.html I'm not sure why you wouldn't have received it. (There were no changes related to #1586 in it relative to -13.) -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2CCCIj6080797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n2CCCIjv080796; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net [79.135.125.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2CCC6bh080764 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster$pop3^clerew^man*ac&uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 49b8fc14.73ab.2723 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:12:04 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n2CCC2Pk018357 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:12:02 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n2CCC1tZ018353 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:12:01 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25008 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Issue [1586] (was USEPRO document on IESG processing queue) Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:42 GMT Lines: 65 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> Harald Alvestrand writes: >Lisa has scheduled the USEPRO document for IESG discussion on April 2. >Let's hope this is the end of this work. But this is NOT yet the end of this work, since we still have not resolved Issue 1586. The last contribution on this was from Russ on Feb 1st , the relevant part of which is: >I think our options here are: > >1. Treat the Path header as special and permit (or even encourage) > retaining it while not permitting retention of the other trace headers, > on the grounds that it has an intrinsic ordering and therefore isn't as > prone to confusion as having multiple trace headers that aren't > ordered. > >2. Leave the existing wording, which requires multiple injection to remove > or rename the Path header but allows readers to add spurious POSTED > s by violating a SHOULD. I'm not entirely comfortable > with it, but I can't think of any specific protocol harm it could > cause. > >3. Restore the MUST in the proto-article section to match the MUST in > 3.4.2 and make the document consistent but possibly too strict. > >4. Relax the MUST generally in 3.4.2, but then we will run into issues > with Injection-Info, which the posting agent is not permitted to supply > and which doesn't have an intrinsic ordering the way that the Path > header does. > >The more I think about it, the more option 1 seems like a workable idea, >but I think that's reversing some decisions that we made some time back. >That makes me nervous at this stage of the process. I replied to that agreeing that option 1 was the best way to proceed, so that leaves Russ and myself in agreement. The only other view expressed was yourself a couple of days before that expressing some doubt concerning the possible advantage "script kiddies" might take if we permitted multiple "POSTED"s to remain in Paths. I am of the view that there are pros and cons to that approach, but am of the opinion that on balance it is better to allow them. I would be willing to provide detailed wording suggestions, but would prefer that we reach agreement in principle first that option 1 is the way we want to go. BTW, it seemed that Russ had comitted changes prior to publishing a further draft, but I have seen no sign of such a draft - an in particular no notice of it has appeared here. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2BJxFHG035345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:59:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n2BJxFe9035344; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:59:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.241]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2BJx4RG035336 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:59:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lisa.dusseault@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so156797rvb.34 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:59:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=sMSdC0je47rcWjzBJEIU0cPK0JFE2z2vbjQ7oDFkcrQ=; b=GDE3XnXobZWwj5CPdR135IcWvc29EIRs3TJQKURLc6BVNCyyBH6RJgZfG9b60DqYui I6gpSTiD/VacUIiKQ9FdxdyNm8Fb2MRR8R2jND1YX6+VaN8unz0Od4E6uzelR/7jB5JK Ev01j9qd/k+K07Rts1aGd/+kbEUoBh9hYO41k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=L4JsArvXmSC46hJdn8yWYZcyLqR+bNFQWVCfyVQ+kthXWu8XweNnFeEucgT8bnSAGF rpWtaEdnu4Jcl/zAXGUWc6ObkYtNeGgtmBPvZPv/5RgJudgYHgxbrOoTh0nMlUEDJoH1 1jYML2yd4YzA2mU2O2CxUFppCCfewp5/TAduA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.197.14 with SMTP id z14mr4545569rvp.203.1236801544155; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:59:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> References: <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:59:04 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: USEPRO document on IESG processing queue From: Lisa Dusseault To: Harald Alvestrand Cc: Usenet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Actually, it's on the IESG's agenda for tomorrow! Lisa On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Harald Alvestrand w= rote: > > Lisa has scheduled the USEPRO document for IESG discussion on April 2. > Let's hope this is the end of this work. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Harald Alvestrand > > Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2BC0SjN003986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:00:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n2BC0SgO003985; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:00:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2BC0GEq003952 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:00:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B83839E2B5 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:00:16 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D1HnPHTh2zhl for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:00:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from hta-warp.trd.corp.google.com (unknown [195.18.164.170]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C72D039E0BB for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:00:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49B7A7CE.1000602@alvestrand.no> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:00:14 +0100 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Usenet Subject: USEPRO document on IESG processing queue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Lisa has scheduled the USEPRO document for IESG discussion on April 2. Let's hope this is the end of this work. Harald Alvestrand Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n23KUTAn070664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:30:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n23KUTGi070663; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:30:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n23KUT3i070653 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:30:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from root@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 361EF3A6B3E; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:30:00 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-usefor-usepro-14.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090303203001.361EF3A6B3E@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:30:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Usenet Article Standard Update Working Group of the IETF. Title : Netnews Architecture and Protocols Author(s) : R. Allbery, C. Lindsey Filename : draft-ietf-usefor-usepro-14.txt Pages : 54 Date : 2009-03-03 This document defines the architecture of Netnews systems and specifies the correct manipulation and interpretation of Netnews articles by software which originates, distributes, stores, and displays them. It also specifies the requirements that must be met by any protocol used to transport and serve Netnews articles.Internet Draft Comments Comments are solicited and should be addressed to the Usenet Format Working Group at ietf-usefor@imc.org. 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Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-03-03 20:15:39 UTC (rev 5776) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-03-03 20:22:52 UTC (rev 5777) @@ -28,7 +28,7 @@ 'http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.5234.xml'> ]> - Netnews Architecture and Protocols Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n23KF3u5069545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:15:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n23KF3ES069544; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:15:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu (smtp1.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.81]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n23KEqLL069520 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:15:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id E23EF170374 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:14:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp1.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09AE170339 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:14:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8154AEB59D; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:14:51 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (Makefile usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.14 Message-Id: <20090303201451.8154AEB59D@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:14:51 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 @ 12:14:49 Author: eagle Revision: 5775 Make draft-ietf-usefor-usepro-14. Modified: docs/usefor/Makefile docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/Makefile =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/Makefile 2009-03-03 04:00:37 UTC (rev 5774) +++ docs/usefor/Makefile 2009-03-03 20:14:49 UTC (rev 5775) @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ # Generate new text and HTML versions of the USEPRO document and copy them # somewhere reasonable on my web site. -DRAFT = draft-ietf-usefor-usepro-13 +DRAFT = draft-ietf-usefor-usepro-14 WEB = /home/eagle/web/eagle/usefor/drafts all: text html Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-03-03 04:00:37 UTC (rev 5774) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-03-03 20:14:49 UTC (rev 5775) @@ -28,7 +28,7 @@ 'http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.5234.xml'> ]> - Netnews Architecture and Protocols @@ -64,7 +64,7 @@ - + Applications Usenet Format Working Group Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n22J1F8U085863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:01:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n22J1FIB085862; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:01:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from denver.dinauz.org (dinauz.org [91.121.67.5]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n22J14Nc085849 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:01:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by denver.dinauz.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D9A34FD for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:01:03 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at dinauz.org Received: from denver.dinauz.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dinauz.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jnl2nXNZQ7do for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:01:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from Iulius (AAubervilliers-151-1-29-41.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.112.20.41]) by denver.dinauz.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 12D223046 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:01:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <566FB70104F646668648AAAC1349F890@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <87ab84hd6f.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <87ab84hd6f.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: Charset in newgroup sample Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:00:13 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, >> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nxtprt"; charset=us-ascii > > As near as I can tell from RFC 2046, charset is not a valid parameter for > multipart/* content types. It's only supposed to go on the final > constituent parts. Among other things, this avoids... I also see that RFC 2046 only accepts US-ASCII for the preamble of a MIME message (I thought a charset for multipart/mixed would be useful for it, but it is in fact useless): preamble := discard-text discard-text := *(*text CRLF) *text text = CHAR = ; ( 0-177, 0.-127.) It is therefore impossible to write "This is a MIME control message." in Chinese. Control: newgroup example.admin.info moderated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nxtprt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is a MIME control message. --nxtprt The parts are defined as: body-part := MIME-part-headers [CRLF *OCTET] OCTET := That's fine. -- Julien ÉLIE « -- Il l'aura voulu. -- Tu crois vraiment ? » (Astérix) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n227K83W044593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:20:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n227K7wR044592; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:20:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from denver.dinauz.org (dinauz.org [91.121.67.5]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n227Jtjj044575 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:20:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by denver.dinauz.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EA82F55 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:19:53 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at dinauz.org Received: from denver.dinauz.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dinauz.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J7BznqxugaTu for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:19:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from Iulius (AAubervilliers-151-1-29-41.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.112.20.41]) by denver.dinauz.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 54F46484 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:19:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3C81E04EE5024723B26C3ACF668D8F42@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <87ab84hd6f.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <87ab84hd6f.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: Charset in newgroup sample Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:19:04 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Russ, >> wouldn't it be better to put the charsets in order to highlight the >> fact they are useful (though it is said the default is US-ASCII)? > > Yeah, probably a good idea. I'll make that change. Thanks for your commit. >> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nxtprt"; charset=us-ascii > > As near as I can tell from RFC 2046, charset is not a valid parameter for > multipart/* content types. It's only supposed to go on the final > constituent parts. Among other things, this avoids... > >> In our case, the most important is the second one. Incidentally, >> I wonder what happens when the first one is defined to utf-8 and >> the second one is undefined. Is it utf-8 (out of transitivity) >> or us-ascii? > > ...that problem. :) All right! Thanks! -- Julien ÉLIE « There's a way of transferring funds that is even faster than electronic banking. It's called marriage. » (Sam Kinison) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n222WEif033942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:32:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n222WEeh033941; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:32:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n222WDSk033935 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:32:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id D162E3B6BC9 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:32:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82A63B67E0 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:32:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B14B6EABF6; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:32:13 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.14 Message-Id: <20090302023213.B14B6EABF6@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:32:13 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 @ 18:32:11 Author: eagle Revision: 5767 Add explicit charset attributes to the newgroup example to remind readers to think about them. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-03-02 02:28:39 UTC (rev 5766) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-03-02 02:32:11 UTC (rev 5767) @@ -1884,13 +1884,13 @@ This is a MIME control message. --nxtprt - Content-Type: application/news-groupinfo + Content-Type: application/news-groupinfo; charset=us-ascii For your newsgroups file: example.admin.info About the example.* groups (Moderated) --nxtprt - Content-Type: text/plain + Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A moderated newsgroup for announcements about new newsgroups in the example.* hierarchy. Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n222SrKG033814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:28:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n222Sr3Z033813; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:28:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n222SgYn033806 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:28:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 7234A3B6E04 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE5A3B6E01 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 05437EABF6; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:28:41 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.14 Message-Id: <20090302022841.05437EABF6@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:28:41 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 @ 18:28:39 Author: eagle Revision: 5766 Clarify handling of and change the example to use YYYYMMDDNN. Suggest string comparisons for potentially long serial numbers. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-03-01 22:43:59 UTC (rev 5765) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-03-02 02:28:39 UTC (rev 5766) @@ -1962,19 +1962,28 @@ or sub-hierarchy with a smaller <chksernr> value or with no <chksernr> value. + There is no upper limit on the length of <chksernr> + other than the limitation on the length of header fields. + Implementations may therefore want to do comparisons by + zero-padding the shorter of two <chksernr> values on the + left and then doing a string comparison rather than assuming + <chksernr> can be manipulated as a number. +
For example, the following Control header field - Control: checkgroups de !de.alt #248 + Control: checkgroups de !de.alt #2009021301 indicates the body of the message will list every newsgroup in the de.* hierarchy, excepting the de.alt.* sub-hierarchy, and should not be honored if a checkgroups - control message with a serial number greater than 248 was - previously honored. + control message with a serial number greater than 2009021301 + was previously honored. The serial number in this example + was formed from the date in YYYYMMDD format followed by a + two-digit sequence number within that date.
The body of the message is an entity of type Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n222RWBc033790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:27:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n222RWJA033789; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:27:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu (smtp1.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.81]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n222RLc9033780 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:27:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 2895B170B3F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp1.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03ABB170577 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DFB0DEABF6; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:27:20 -0800 (PST) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Charset in newgroup sample In-Reply-To: ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Sun\, 1 Mar 2009 23\:54\:08 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) References: From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:27:20 -0800 Message-ID: <87ab84hd6f.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: > In the sample of newgroup control message: > > Control: newgroup example.admin.info moderated > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=3D"nxtprt" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > This is a MIME control message. > --nxtprt > Content-Type: application/news-groupinfo > > For your newsgroups file: > example.admin.info About the example.* groups (Moderated) > > --nxtprt > Content-Type: text/plain > > A moderated newsgroup for announcements about new newsgroups in > the example.* hierarchy. > > --nxtprt-- > > wouldn't it be better to put the charsets in order to highlight the > fact they are useful (though it is said the default is US-ASCII)? Yeah, probably a good idea. I'll make that change. > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=3D"nxtprt"; charset=3Dus-asc= ii As near as I can tell from RFC 2046, charset is not a valid parameter for multipart/* content types. It's only supposed to go on the final constituent parts. Among other things, this avoids... > In our case, the most important is the second one. Incidentally, > I wonder what happens when the first one is defined to utf-8 and > the second one is undefined. Is it utf-8 (out of transitivity) > or us-ascii? ...that problem. :) --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n21MtAdR026866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n21MtAAU026865; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:55:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from denver.dinauz.org (dinauz.org [91.121.67.5]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n21MswJ5026839 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:55:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by denver.dinauz.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BB834BD for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:54:57 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at dinauz.org Received: from denver.dinauz.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dinauz.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id krCiKBuxZxmW for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:54:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from Iulius (AAubervilliers-151-1-29-41.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.112.20.41]) by denver.dinauz.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2ABDC34BB for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:54:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Charset in newgroup sample Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:54:08 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, In the sample of newgroup control message: Control: newgroup example.admin.info moderated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nxtprt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is a MIME control message. --nxtprt Content-Type: application/news-groupinfo For your newsgroups file: example.admin.info About the example.* groups (Moderated) --nxtprt Content-Type: text/plain A moderated newsgroup for announcements about new newsgroups in the example.* hierarchy. --nxtprt-- wouldn't it be better to put the charsets in order to highlight the fact they are useful (though it is said the default is US-ASCII)? I fear people might still forget it... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nxtprt"; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: application/news-groupinfo; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii or another one if you want (iso-8858-1 and utf-8 are also fine for instance but RFC 2046 states it SHOULD be the lowest common denominator us-ascii, enough for that sample). Why mention the charset? RFC 2046 also states: In order to eliminate such ambiguity and variations in the future, it is strongly recommended that new user agents explicitly specify a character set as a media type parameter in the Content-Type header field. In our case, the most important is the second one. Incidentally, I wonder what happens when the first one is defined to utf-8 and the second one is undefined. Is it utf-8 (out of transitivity) or us-ascii? -- Julien ÉLIE « Plus un ordinateur possède de RAM, plus vite il peut générer un message d'erreur. »