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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon Apr 6 21:14:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012AE3A6D64 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:14:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.593 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.593 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.063, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=1.069, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ygoLVVCU+w87 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646943A6D5E for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n374CTuU061604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:12:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n374CTLi061603; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:12:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net [79.135.125.99]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n374CGDj061578 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:12:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster&pop3$clerew^man*ac^uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 49dad2a0.1b9d.72 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 05:12:16 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n374C6VD009019 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 05:12:06 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n374C5kl009016 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 05:12:05 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25013 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Possible items for AUTH48 Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:13:10 GMT Lines: 72 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I have now done a careful read through of USEPRO draft-14, and as fas as the text goes, it seems in pretty good shape (which is not to say that I agree with everything it says, since it is well known that I have serious disagreements on two issues). So here are the niggles that I have found, and that may be worth fixing: My name, as a joint author, is given as "C. Lindsey". Since I have a perfectly good middle initial, I would prefer "C. H. Lindsey". In section 3.5 (Duties of an injecting agent), Step 2, it states: "It MUST reject any proto-article ... that has a Path header field containing the "POSTED" ;..." That is inconsistent with the recently altered section 3.4.1 (Proto-articles) which now states only that "the Path header field SHOULD NOT contain a "POSTED" ;" Russ pointed out this anomaly a couple of months back, but since both the Chair and the Area Director flatly refused any further discussion of the issue, I am not holding my breath for it to be fixed. Neverteless, it remains an anomaly. In section 5.4 (The Supersedes Header Field), it is not immediately clear whether an Approved header is needed, as with Group control messages. Diligent examination reveals that it is NOT required (and that is correct). But it might be kinder to add: NOTE: It is not required (except in moderated groups) for a Supersedes header field to be accompanied by an Approved header field. In Appendix A (Changes to the Existing Protocols), there should be a mention of the recently introduce Original-Sender header field. I have carefully noted all the places where [RFC2822] is mentioned, and it appears that they would all be equally applicable to RFC5822, which is on track to become a Draft Standard. As regards the USEFOR draft, which will also be up for AUTH 48 at the same time, it would again be possible to update it to RFC5822 under the rules governing AUTH48. This _would_ involve a change of text by way of a considerable simplification off the complex (and now unnecessary) syntax of . There is now only one very minor difference betwee USEFOR and RFC5822 as regards the syntax of the Message-ID header field, namely that it is forbidden to contain and '>' (or SP IIRC). That small difference would be easy to describe - it is intended to permit quick and dirty parsers of Message-ID to stop reading a message identifier as soon as they encounter either a '>' or a SP. In practical terms neither of those currently ever occurs in the middle of a in either News or Email, so there are no real-world implications of tidying up the syntax of USEFOR that way. I would be happy to go through the whole of USEFOR and to docement exactly that changes would be needed to enable it to reference RFC5822 in place of RFC 2822. There is no other difference that springs immediately to mind other than the one mentioned, but obviously it would need to be checked carefully. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 7 09:39:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867333A69E2 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:39:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.116 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.116 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vnWEV7NvWFxo for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B153A69A8 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n37GbbGI009767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:37:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n37Gbbol009766; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:37:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 26.mail-out.ovh.net (26.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.27.225]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n37GbPBq009756 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 13202 invoked by uid 503); 7 Apr 2009 16:37:47 -0000 Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (213.251.189.42) by 26.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 16:37:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 4365 invoked by uid 503); 7 Apr 2009 16:37:27 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail436.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 16:37:27 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 16:37:24 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.241.22) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 16:37:23 -0000 Message-ID: <3191BE530596486FB2D647512B5EB821@Iulius> From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Possible discrepancy in Path: header field example Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:35:21 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 9314288454695452089 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.241.22 (amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, In 3.2.2, the example is: Path: foo.isp.example!.SEEN.isp.example!!foo-news !.MISMATCH.2001:DB:0:0:8:800:200C:417A!bar.isp.example !!old.site.example!barbaz!!baz.isp.example !.POSTED.dialup123.baz.isp.example!not-for-mail I do not understand why foo.isp.example adds a "!" for foo-news. The third item in 3.2.1 does not allow that for "!.SEEN.". Is it a typo in 3.2.2, something to change in 3.2.1 or something I misunderstand? By the way, in 3.2.2, there is also a missing double quote here: "not-for-mail is a common . -- Julien ÉLIE « Quès acco ? » (Caligulaminix) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 7 10:24:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CD13A698A for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:24:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.209 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.209 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.093, BAYES_50=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7NUszZ53Uven for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F533A67A6 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n37HN38s012584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:23:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n37HN3W3012583; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 26.mail-out.ovh.net (26.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.27.225]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n37HN2i8012576 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:23:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 2393 invoked by uid 503); 7 Apr 2009 17:23:24 -0000 Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (213.251.189.42) by 26.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 17:23:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 3087 invoked by uid 503); 7 Apr 2009 17:23:03 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail436.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 17:23:03 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 17:23:00 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.241.22) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 17:22:59 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Use of message disposition notification Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:21:07 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 10084403992116919737 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.241.22 (amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, I read in 3.5 for an injected agent: It SHOULD reject any proto-article which contains a header field deprecated for Netnews (see, for example, [RFC3798] (Hansen, T. and G. Vaudreuil, "Message Disposition Notification," May 2004.)). How is it supposed to be used? I read in RFC 3798 that it is used to "report the disposition of a message after it has been successfully delivered". In our case, the message is rejected and not delivered. Is it really here that RFC 3798 is to be referenced? (And not USEFOR or another RFC?) If yes, could it be better explained? -- Julien ÉLIE « Rien, ce n'est pas rien ! La preuve, c'est que l'on peut le soustraire. Exemple : rien moins rien = moins que rien ! » (Raymond Devos) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 7 10:53:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBE13A69A3 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:53:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CvrVrQP00HAh for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E473A67A6 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n37HpHuc014381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:51:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n37HpH3R014380; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:51:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n37Hp6Og014365 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:51:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id D5BC151C55D for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp2.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B172851C51C for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 58DE4E7A19; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:51:05 -0700 (PDT) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Use of message disposition notification In-Reply-To: ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Tue\, 7 Apr 2009 19\:21\:07 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) References: From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:51:05 -0700 Message-ID: <87bpr8cpyu.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: > I read in 3.5 for an injected agent: > > It SHOULD reject any proto-article which contains a header field > deprecated for Netnews (see, for example, [RFC3798] (Hansen, T. and > G. Vaudreuil, "Message Disposition Notification," May 2004.)). > > How is it supposed to be used? I read in RFC 3798 that it is used to > "report the disposition of a message after it has been successfully > delivered". In our case, the message is rejected and not delivered. > > Is it really here that RFC 3798 is to be referenced? (And not USEFOR or > another RFC?) If yes, could it be better explained? It's an example of a header that's deprecated for Netnews, in this case precisely because it doesn't make any sense in Netnews. The RFC says somewhere in it that it's deprecated or not allowed in Netnews (I forget where). --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 7 11:43:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78DE3A6840 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 11:43:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.162 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.162 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_40=-0.185, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0F1mhMbTDFNq for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 11:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73A73A6894 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 11:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n37IfHkX017837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Apr 2009 11:41:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n37IfHnS017836; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 11:41:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 26.mail-out.ovh.net (26.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.27.225]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n37IfFL6017825 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 11:41:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 29354 invoked by uid 503); 7 Apr 2009 18:41:38 -0000 Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (213.251.189.42) by 26.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 18:41:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 669 invoked by uid 503); 7 Apr 2009 18:41:08 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail436.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 18:41:08 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 18:40:07 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.241.22) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 18:40:07 -0000 Message-ID: <3E8AE3D5F7314BBD856E8B278F99F76F@Iulius> From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Question about rejects by serving agents Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:38:14 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 11386788708801969593 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.241.22 (amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, In 3.7, a serving agent "MUST reject any article that does not include all the mandatory header fields or any article which contains header fields that do not have valid contents". Is there a reason why a serving agent MUST reject such articles? I understand that injecting agents MUST (because it happens at the beginning) but what surprises me is that it is a SHOULD for relaying agents. Wouldn't it be better to have either MUST or SHOULD for both relaying and serving agents? No need to relay the article if it MUST be rejected at the end, isn't it? -- Julien ÉLIE « En voyant le lit vide, il le devint. » (Ponson du Terrail) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 7 12:13:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476D23A680C for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:13:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.316 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.316 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.494, BAYES_05=-1.11, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wja8lBxauzec for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385D63A6843 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n37JBd0V020018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:11:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n37JBd70020017; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:11:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 26.mail-out.ovh.net (26.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.27.225]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n37JBbmo020009 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:11:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 7364 invoked by uid 503); 7 Apr 2009 19:11:59 -0000 Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (213.251.189.42) by 26.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 19:11:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 24628 invoked by uid 503); 7 Apr 2009 19:11:39 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail436.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 19:11:39 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 19:11:36 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.241.22) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 19:11:34 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Possible typos Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:09:41 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 11918213465749585337 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.241.22 (amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, Here are a few remarks to improve the document. In 2: Transports for Netnews articles MUST treat news articles as uninterpreted sequences of octets, excluding the values 0 (which may not occur in Netnews articles) and 13 and 10 (which MUST only appear in Netnews articles as a pair in that order and which together denote a line separator). Wouldn't it be better to write %x00, %x0D and %x0A? "and 13 and 10" -> not ", 13 and 10"? In 3.3: Such a history database would grow without bound, however, so it is common and permitted to optimize based on the Injection-Date or Date header field of an article as follows. "to optimize it"? (I do not know whether "it" is mandatory or not in English there.) In 3.6, the Injector-Info: header is mentioned. Isn't it Injection-Info: instead? In 3.9: the leftmost unapproved newsgroup is is the leftmost moderated newsgroup in that field Only one "is". Any Path header field MUST either be removed or truncated to only those entries following its "POSTED" , if any. Is it clear enough? "following" and not "preceding"? It depends on the direction we read the Path: header :) In 3.10.2: there is no one "official" gateway Is "one" correct here? (Probably yes, but better ask.) What if Original-Sender already exists? Is it renamed to X-Original-Sender (as 3.10.4 seems to suggest)? -- Julien ÉLIE « C'est souvent la femme qui nous inspire les grandes choses qu'elles nous empêchent d'accomplir. » (Alexandre Dumas Fils) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 7 12:43:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5287D3A6B17 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:43:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vnulSnWrz+tz for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814803A6B6F for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n37Jg5Eq022002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:42:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n37Jg5B6022001; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:42:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (smtp4.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.84]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n37JfsRH021984 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:42:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 917A848659E for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp4.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727F5486530 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 049E1E7A19; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:41:54 -0700 (PDT) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Question about rejects by serving agents In-Reply-To: <3E8AE3D5F7314BBD856E8B278F99F76F@Iulius> ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Tue\, 7 Apr 2009 20\:38\:14 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) References: <3E8AE3D5F7314BBD856E8B278F99F76F@Iulius> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:41:53 -0700 Message-ID: <87fxgk5jzy.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: > In 3.7, a serving agent "MUST reject any article that does not include > all the mandatory header fields or any article which contains header > fields that do not have valid contents". > > Is there a reason why a serving agent MUST reject such articles? If it served out such a message, it would be violating the protocol. Clients should be able to assume that the serving agent won't give them malformed articles. (This is kind of true of relaying agents as well, but since they only talk to serving agents, it's less critical.) > I understand that injecting agents MUST (because it happens at the > beginning) but what surprises me is that it is a SHOULD for relaying > agents. Relaying agents are often very stupid and don't really look at the article. We wrote the standard to allow for this because they're speed-critical and some implementors don't like doing a full validation at that stage. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 7 14:43:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DEE3A68E5 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:43:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.254 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.254 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.185, BAYES_20=-0.74, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VjbuWQlz+f0Y for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245F23A689B for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n37Lfob1028832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n37LfobH028831; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 2.mail-out.ovh.net (2.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.26.226]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n37LfcJP028745 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:41:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 31849 invoked by uid 503); 7 Apr 2009 22:07:39 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail177.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 2.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 22:07:39 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 21:41:16 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.241.22) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 21:41:13 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <3E8AE3D5F7314BBD856E8B278F99F76F@Iulius> <87fxgk5jzy.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <87fxgk5jzy.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: Question about rejects by serving agents Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:39:43 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 14445577280560037305 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.241.22 (amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Russ, >> In 3.7, a serving agent "MUST reject any article that does not include >> all the mandatory header fields or any article which contains header >> fields that do not have valid contents". >> >> Is there a reason why a serving agent MUST reject such articles? > > Clients should be able to assume that the serving agent won't give them > malformed articles. (This is kind of true of relaying agents as well, but > since they only talk to serving agents, it's less critical.) OK. > Relaying agents are often very stupid and don't really look at the > article. We wrote the standard to allow for this because they're > speed-critical and some implementors don't like doing a full validation at > that stage. That makes sense. Thanks Russ. -- Julien ÉLIE « Ô temps suspends ton vol ! 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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed Apr 8 07:08:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AEE3A6A43 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 07:08:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.147 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.147 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.289, BAYES_50=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, TVD_FINGER_02=2.134] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w6LWqoa8Cxor for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 07:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4F03A6A21 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 07:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n38E7GmE000808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Apr 2009 07:07:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n38E7FbR000807; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 07:07:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 39.mail-out.ovh.net (39.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.138.60]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n38E73AJ000785 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 07:07:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 24142 invoked by uid 503); 8 Apr 2009 14:07:24 -0000 Received: from gw2.ovh.net (HELO mail146.ha.ovh.net) (213.251.189.202) by 39.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 14:07:24 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 14:07:04 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.241.22) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 14:07:00 -0000 Message-ID: <91D53A7F67F145D38CA721D3E9CA45AB@Iulius> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Possible items for AUTH48 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:05:04 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 12647233654871358905 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.241.22 (amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, > In section 3.5 (Duties of an injecting agent), Step 2, it states: > > "It MUST reject any proto-article ... that has a Path header field > containing the "POSTED" ;..." > > That is inconsistent with the recently altered section 3.4.1 > (Proto-articles) which now states only that > > "the Path header field SHOULD NOT contain a "POSTED" ;" Why not say in 3.5 that it MAY reject such an article (instead of MUST)? It would be coherent with "It MAY reject any proto-article that contains trace header fields" > In section 5.4 (The Supersedes Header Field), it is not immediately clear > whether an Approved header is needed, as with Group control messages. > Diligent examination reveals that it is NOT required (and that is > correct). But it might be kinder to add: > > NOTE: It is not required (except in moderated groups) for a Supersedes > header field to be accompanied by an Approved header field. I reckon it would be useful to add your suggested note. > I have carefully noted all the places where [RFC2822] is mentioned, and it > appears that they would all be equally applicable to RFC5822, which is on > track to become a Draft Standard. Isn't it RFC 5322? RFC 5822 seems to be draft-hoffman-dac-vbr-04 and is not the same thing. > As regards the USEFOR draft, which will also be up for AUTH 48 at the same > time When is AUTH 48? Is there still some work on USEAGE? Why isn't it in the same state as USEFOR and USEPRO? 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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed Apr 8 09:13:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44BB3A6B36 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:13:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.453, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.044, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y2kx2FsnmSJD for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE433A6943 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n38GCRlE013149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:12:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n38GCRlB013147; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:12:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-6.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-6.gradwell.net [79.135.125.112]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n38GCF3M013098 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:12:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster#pop3#clerew^man^ac$uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-6.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 49dcccdd.71e5.2cc for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:12:13 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n38GC3J7019650 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:12:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n38GC3K2019642 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:12:03 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25023 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Use of message disposition notification Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <87bpr8cpyu.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:58:53 GMT Lines: 34 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <87bpr8cpyu.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Russ Allbery writes: >Julien ÉLIE writes: >> It SHOULD reject any proto-article which contains a header field >> deprecated for Netnews (see, for example, [RFC3798] (Hansen, T. and >> G. Vaudreuil, "Message Disposition Notification," May 2004.)). >> >> Is it really here that RFC 3798 is to be referenced? (And not USEFOR or >> another RFC?) If yes, could it be better explained? >It's an example of a header that's deprecated for Netnews, in this case >precisely because it doesn't make any sense in Netnews. The RFC says >somewhere in it that it's deprecated or not allowed in Netnews (I forget >where). RFC 3798 end of section 2.1: Messages posted to newsgroups SHOULD NOT have a Disposition- Notification-To header. The reason is that it could be used to send mail bombs. I suppose we could mention that reason in our Security Considerations. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed Apr 8 09:14:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEFEE3A68E4 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.13 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.13 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.425, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.044, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id erK+5uP0dgSn for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7009F3A6943 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n38GCRse013148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:12:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n38GCRf5013146; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:12:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-2.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-2.gradwell.net [79.135.125.41]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n38GCFZu013097 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:12:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster#pop3^clerew&man$ac#uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-2.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 49dcccdd.77c5.159 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:12:13 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n38GC2qb019620 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:12:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n38GC1om019608 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:12:01 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25021 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Possible typos Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:55:00 GMT Lines: 77 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >In 2: > Transports for Netnews articles MUST treat news articles as uninterpreted > sequences of octets, excluding the values 0 (which may not occur in Netnews > articles) and 13 and 10 (which MUST only appear in Netnews articles as a pair > in that order and which together denote a line separator). >Wouldn't it be better to write %x00, %x0D and %x0A? >"and 13 and 10" -> not ", 13 and 10"? I think I agree. >In 3.3: > Such a history database would grow without bound, however, so it is common > and permitted to optimize based on the Injection-Date or Date header field > of an article as follows. >"to optimize it"? (I do not know whether "it" is mandatory or not in English there.) Yes, I spotted that one and it grated a bit. The "it" is not mandatory, but I agree it would read better with it in. >In 3.6, the Injector-Info: header is mentioned. Isn't it Injection-Info: >instead? Yes. Many many drafts ago, the term _was_ Injector-Info, and this one seems to have been overlooked. >In 3.9: > the leftmost unapproved newsgroup is is the leftmost moderated newsgroup > in that field >Only one "is". +1 > Any Path header field MUST either be removed or truncated to only those entries > following its "POSTED" , if any. >Is it clear enough? "following" and not "preceding"? It depends on the direction >we read the Path: header :) Since the Path header is generated right to left, this confusion will always be there, but I think "following" is correct, and I think that is the usage elsewhere in the drafts. >In 3.10.2: > there is no one "official" gateway >Is "one" correct here? (Probably yes, but better ask.) Yes, that is correct. >What if Original-Sender already exists? Is it renamed to X-Original-Sender (as 3.10.4 >seems to suggest)? The re-re-sender needs to use his imagination! It is not actually forbidden to have two Original-Senders, and he could add a comment if he was that fussy. But I don't think we really care, so leave it be. Those are my comments. I presume Russ will adopt them as he sees fit. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed Apr 8 09:27:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7813A6A74 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:27:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.400, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.044, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MfuYPjgBuxCm for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E083F3A68FE for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n38GCVDh013162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:12:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n38GCVoI013161; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:12:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net [79.135.125.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n38GCJwP013117 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:12:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster^pop3$clerew$man#ac&uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 49dccce2.4103.274 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:12:18 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n38GC2Yf019632 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:12:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n38GC2gf019625 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:12:02 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25022 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Possible discrepancy in Path: header field example Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <3191BE530596486FB2D647512B5EB821@Iulius> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:54:30 GMT Lines: 36 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <3191BE530596486FB2D647512B5EB821@Iulius> =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >Hi, >In 3.2.2, the example is: > Path: foo.isp.example!.SEEN.isp.example!!foo-news > !.MISMATCH.2001:DB:0:0:8:800:200C:417A!bar.isp.example > !!old.site.example!barbaz!!baz.isp.example > !.POSTED.dialup123.baz.isp.example!not-for-mail >I do not understand why foo.isp.example adds a "!" for >foo-news. The third item in 3.2.1 does not allow that for "!.SEEN.". Oops! And I have rechecked that section umpteen times :-( . Indeed, I think that !.SEEN.isp.example!!foo-news is not even syntactially correct. s/!!/!/ >By the way, in 3.2.2, there is also a missing double quote here: > "not-for-mail is a common . Good catch! Russ, please fix these. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed Apr 8 11:19:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A4C3A6E6F for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:19:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.261 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.261 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.548, BAYES_05=-1.11, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fqXdcheFAAI1 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFA93A6E8F for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n38IHGlu026062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:17:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n38IHGk0026061; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:17:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 30.mail-out.ovh.net (30.mail-out.ovh.net [213.186.62.213]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n38IH4iq026041 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:17:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 14099 invoked by uid 503); 8 Apr 2009 18:17:18 -0000 Received: from gw2.ovh.net (HELO mail434.ha.ovh.net) (213.251.189.202) by 30.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 18:17:18 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 18:17:01 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.241.22) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 18:17:00 -0000 Message-ID: <1CAB722E203C456AB80B5905A7BAC6F7@Iulius> From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Archived-At: header field Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 20:15:06 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 16869358305494171065 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.241.22 (amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, I see that RFC 5064 defines the Archived-At: header field for Netnews. http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5064.txt Shouldn't it be referenced somewhere in USEFOR? (And maybe also in USEPRO? as a note in the gatewaying section?) -- Julien ÉLIE « On file à la bretonne. » (Astérix) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed Apr 8 11:27:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5673A6E53 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:27:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.784 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.784 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.914, BAYES_50=0.001, GB_I_LETTER=-2, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SCyS1ySntKCC for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353983A6B19 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n38IQSVL026874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:26:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n38IQSGT026873; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:26:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 30.mail-out.ovh.net (30.mail-out.ovh.net [213.186.62.213]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n38IQQ3Q026866 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:26:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 9952 invoked by uid 503); 8 Apr 2009 18:26:42 -0000 Received: from gw2.ovh.net (HELO mail434.ha.ovh.net) (213.251.189.202) by 30.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 18:26:42 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 18:26:24 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.241.22) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 18:26:23 -0000 Message-ID: <72C4E06ED8964D829D2DB6853DB83921@Iulius> From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Possible typos Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 20:24:29 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 17027828716172737977 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.241.22 (amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, Other typos: In 4.3: The content of the application/news-groupinfo body part is defined as: It is application/news-checkgroups! In both 4.3 and 5.2.1.1, could it be said that in the examples, spaces are used in newsgroups descriptions but that they are in fact tabs? In 5.2.3, as for a checkgroups control message: It requests a news server update its valid newsgroup list for that hierarchy to include the groups specified, remove any groups not specified, and update group descriptions to match those given in the checkgroups control message. Could it be said "and update group descriptions as well as moderation status to match those..."? In 5.3: The cancel control message requests that a target article be withdrawn from circulation and access. In order to be consistent with the previous paragraphs, "that" should not be added here after "requests" :) The same goes in 5.4 for the Supersedes: header field and 5.5 for sendme. Whence maybe "that" should be added in 5.2.1, 5.2.2 and 5.2.3 instead? (It is a very minor remark.) By the way, why does "Supersedes" always begin with a capital? When we do not speak about the header, it should be a lower-case letter shouldn't it? For instance in 3.4, "which cancels or Supersedes another article". In 6.1: Cancel control messages are not required to have the same Newsgroups header field as the messages they are cancelling and, since they are sometimes processed before the original message is received, it may not be possible to check that they do. "to check what they do"? "to check that"? -- Julien ÉLIE « Quand je raconterai mon odyssée, personne ne me croira ! » (Astérix) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed Apr 8 11:31:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B234E3A6BD1 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:31:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3uHQs4s7GDVG for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5E428C18F for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n38ITkEb027104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:29:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n38ITkW3027103; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:29:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 30.mail-out.ovh.net (30.mail-out.ovh.net [213.186.62.213]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n38ITiti027096 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:29:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 19511 invoked by uid 503); 8 Apr 2009 18:29:58 -0000 Received: from gw2.ovh.net (HELO mail434.ha.ovh.net) (213.251.189.202) by 30.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 18:29:58 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 18:29:22 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.241.22) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 18:29:20 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Duties of agents as for obsolete control messages Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 20:27:26 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 17077649787333443001 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.241.22 (amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, Shouldn't it be said something in the duties of injecting agents (and maybe relaying?) as for obsolete control messages like sendsys, version, whogets and senduuname (section 5.6)? They SHOULD be rejected (?) -- Julien ÉLIE « Les légionnaires ont adopté pour attaquer la redoutable tactique dite de la tortue. Pour battre en retraite, les légionnaires adoptent l'efficace tactique dite du lièvre. » (Astérix) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed Apr 8 11:40:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2483A6E5F for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.32 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.32 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.978, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sSwSTmlO14NP for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153CA3A6AA9 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n38IcFGE027857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:38:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n38IcFZ2027856; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:38:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 30.mail-out.ovh.net (30.mail-out.ovh.net [213.186.62.213]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n38IcDRc027848 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:38:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 16951 invoked by uid 503); 8 Apr 2009 18:38:28 -0000 Received: from gw2.ovh.net (HELO mail434.ha.ovh.net) (213.251.189.202) by 30.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 18:38:28 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 18:38:11 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.241.22) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 18:38:09 -0000 Message-ID: <96088B3EFAFE49899F643996FBEC91B5@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <87bpr8cpyu.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Use of message disposition notification Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 20:36:15 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 17226550050887564729 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.241.22 (amontpellier-159-1-82-22.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, >>> It SHOULD reject any proto-article which contains a header field >>> deprecated for Netnews (see, for example, [RFC3798] (Hansen, T. and >>> G. Vaudreuil, "Message Disposition Notification," May 2004.)). > > RFC 3798 end of section 2.1: > > Messages posted to newsgroups SHOULD NOT have a Disposition- > Notification-To header. > > The reason is that it could be used to send mail bombs. I suppose we could > mention that reason in our Security Considerations. Oh, thanks! It is not easy at all to find out such headers!! I wonder how implementors will manage to know the headers they should look at... By the way, as you speak about security considerations, I see that USEPRO references both pgpmoose and pgpverify. Wouldn't a note on Cancel-Lock be added in 6.1? ("Currently, many sites are ignoring all cancel control messages and Supersedes header fields due to the difficulty of authenticating them and their widespread abuse.") It could be said that Cancel-Lock might be used (draft-ietf-usefor-cancel-lock-01) and also NoCeM, which is more and more spread nowadays. -- Julien ÉLIE « Les légionnaires ont adopté pour attaquer la redoutable tactique dite de la tortue. 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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Thu Apr 9 09:13:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53C43A6A75 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:13:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.400, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rt5uXCAbhJgM for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B67F3A6902 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n39GCI4K028576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n39GCI6w028574; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net [79.135.125.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n39GC5ak028536 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster&pop3^clerew&man^ac^uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 49de1e52.1245.239 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:12:02 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n39GC1pm016829 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:12:01 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n39GC2ka016825 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:12:02 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25029 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Use of message disposition notification Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <87bpr8cpyu.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <96088B3EFAFE49899F643996FBEC91B5@Iulius> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:41:34 GMT Lines: 31 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <96088B3EFAFE49899F643996FBEC91B5@Iulius> Julien ÉLIE writes: >By the way, as you speak about security considerations, I see that USEPRO >references both pgpmoose and pgpverify. >Wouldn't a note on Cancel-Lock be added in 6.1? ("Currently, many sites are >ignoring all cancel control messages and Supersedes header fields due to >the difficulty of authenticating them and their widespread abuse.") >It could be said that Cancel-Lock might be used (draft-ietf-usefor-cancel-lock-01) >and also NoCeM, which is more and more spread nowadays. Cancel-Lock is not formally defined anywhere, hence I know of no news-server that ever looks at it, although a few people add it in hope :-). Our original plan of work was that, when we were done with our present drafts, the next jobs would be UTF-8 in newsgroup-names and a document covering security matters - notably pgpmoose and pgpverify (which really need to be unified) plus Cancel-Locks and, I would hope, NoCeM. But those would rechartering, and the probability of that happening is not, shall we say, too promising :-( . -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Thu Apr 9 09:14:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACD73A6902 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:14:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.379, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e4FvtI18im8i for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD8E3A6BAF for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n39GCIxU028577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n39GCIls028575; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net [79.135.125.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n39GC6oZ028538 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster$pop3^clerew*man^ac$uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 49de1e52.1205.2b6 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:12:02 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n39GC22C016837 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:12:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n39GC1CI016834 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:12:01 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25030 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Possible items for AUTH48 Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <91D53A7F67F145D38CA721D3E9CA45AB@Iulius> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:48:08 GMT Lines: 69 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <91D53A7F67F145D38CA721D3E9CA45AB@Iulius> =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >Hi Charles, >> In section 3.5 (Duties of an injecting agent), Step 2, it states: >> >> "It MUST reject any proto-article ... that has a Path header field >> containing the "POSTED" ;..." >> >> That is inconsistent with the recently altered section 3.4.1 >> (Proto-articles) which now states only that >> >> "the Path header field SHOULD NOT contain a "POSTED" ;" >Why not say in 3.5 that it MAY reject such an article (instead of MUST)? >It would be coherent with > "It MAY reject any proto-article that contains trace header fields" >> In section 5.4 (The Supersedes Header Field), it is not immediately clear >> whether an Approved header is needed, as with Group control messages. >> Diligent examination reveals that it is NOT required (and that is >> correct). But it might be kinder to add: >> >> NOTE: It is not required (except in moderated groups) for a Supersedes >> header field to be accompanied by an Approved header field. >I reckon it would be useful to add your suggested note. >> I have carefully noted all the places where [RFC2822] is mentioned, and it >> appears that they would all be equally applicable to RFC5822, which is on >> track to become a Draft Standard. >Isn't it RFC 5322? >RFC 5822 seems to be draft-hoffman-dac-vbr-04 and is not the same thing. >> As regards the USEFOR draft, which will also be up for AUTH 48 at the same >> time >When is AUTH 48? >Is there still some work on USEAGE? Why isn't it in the same state as USEFOR >and USEPRO? Was it abandoned ? The existing USEAGE draft, which contains quite a bit of text discussed by the group, and also results of a short period of discussion some years back, is now obviously badly out of date. The plan we are currently supposed to be working to is to get the various drafts out one at a time. So USEFOR and USEPRO are now just about done. So, in theory, we could now go ahead with USEAGE (which would not need any rechartering). But whether that will actually happen is entirely another matter :-( . One of the things I am thinking of over the next few weeks is to dig out that USEAGE draft, and update it to at least be consistent with the current USEFOR and USEPRO. Then we would be in a better psoition to decide whether to take it any further or not. -- Charles H. 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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri Apr 10 11:56:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E08E3A6897 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:56:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.834 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.834 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.643, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1w2cF80pTLoq for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068573A681C for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3AIt9x4028440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:55:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3AIt98E028439; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:55:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 26.mail-out.ovh.net (26.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.27.225]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n3AIsv8a028404 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:55:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 26451 invoked by uid 503); 10 Apr 2009 18:55:17 -0000 Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (213.251.189.42) by 26.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 18:55:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 3226 invoked by uid 503); 10 Apr 2009 18:54:56 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail421.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 18:54:56 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 18:54:52 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-71-42.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@81.48.74.42) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 18:54:51 -0000 Message-ID: <509B292F49314AD6ADE9FDC7761A5D2E@Iulius> From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Assumption of USEFOR against RFC 3977 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:52:54 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 10807231732920745401 X-Ovh-Remote: 81.48.74.42 (aaubervilliers-151-1-71-42.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, In USEFOR: 3.2.14. Xref NOTE: The traditional form of an (as required by [RFC3977]) is a decimal number, with articles in each newsgroup numbered consecutively starting from 1. Looking at this sentence, it seems that RFC 3977 requires that. However, I do not see where it mentions that numbering is done *consecutively*. It is true that the "traditional form" is made that way but it is not per RFC 3977. See section 6 of RFC 3977: On a particular server, there MUST only be one article with a given number within any newsgroup, and an article MUST NOT have two different numbers in the same newsgroup. Article numbers MUST lie between 1 and 2,147,483,647, inclusive. The next article in a newsgroup is defined as "the lowest existing article number greater than the current article number" (6.1.4.2). I think it is the best we can assume with RFC 3977. -- Julien ÉLIE « O fortunatos nimium, sua si bona norint, agricolas. » (Virgile) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri Apr 10 12:38:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0273A6D3A for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:38:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.019 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.185, BAYES_20=-0.74, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.643, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cpBJqWujOUmW for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E483A6D34 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3AJbGoR031133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:37:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3AJbGY6031132; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:37:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 26.mail-out.ovh.net (26.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.27.225]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n3AJbFoh031123 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:37:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 5929 invoked by uid 503); 10 Apr 2009 19:37:37 -0000 Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (213.251.189.42) by 26.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 19:37:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 15713 invoked by uid 503); 10 Apr 2009 19:37:17 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail421.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 19:37:17 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 19:37:13 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-71-42.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@81.48.74.42) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 19:37:12 -0000 Message-ID: <3ED4A549867C42B090DC1709856897F6@Iulius> From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Typos in USEFOR Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:35:15 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 11522459648372637113 X-Ovh-Remote: 81.48.74.42 (aaubervilliers-151-1-71-42.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, Just a few remarks on USEFOR in case it is still time (AUTH48?) to take some of them into account. In 2.3: User agents MUST meet the definition of MIME conformance in [RFC2049] and MUST also support [RFC2231]. This level of MIME conformance provides support for internationalization and multimedia in message bodies ([RFC2045], [RFC2046], [RFC2231]), and support for internationalization of header fields ([RFC2047], [RFC2231]). Note that [Errata] currently exist for [RFC2046] and [RFC2231]. RFC 2045 and 2047 also have errata. Shouldn't it be mentioned? (Or no mention of errata at all? It is not said elsewhere in the document.) In 3: Each of these header fields may occur at most once in a news article. What should we understand? That they SHOULD NOT appear more than once? Why isn't it said in a less ambiguous way? Still in 3: Control Distribution Followup-To Newsgroups Lines Path Supersedes Xref Newsgroups after Lines, in alphabetical order. In 3.1.3: NOTE: The length restriction ensures that systems that accept message identifiers as a parameter when referencing an article (e.g. [RFC3977]) can rely on a bounded length. Only one space after "e.g." here. Still in 3.1.3: The msg-id MUST NOT be more than 250 octets in length. Observe that msg-id includes the < and >. Shouldn't it be ? (or message-ID?) Still in 3.1.3: o even though commonly derived from s, s are case-sensitive (and thus, once created, are not to be altered during subsequent transmission or copying) A final dot is missing. Incidentally, I think that lists should be homogenized in the document (sometimes they end with ".", sometimes with ",", sometimes with nothing). In 3.2.4: The s "world" and "local" are reserved. "world" indicates [...] The whole section is impacted. Full dots are not followed by two spaces. In 3.2.6: The Followup-To header field specifies to which newsgroup(s) the poster has requested that followups are to be posted. Shouldn't it be "the poster has requested that followups should be posted"? Or with the subjunctive "the poster has requested that followups be posted"? -- Julien ÉLIE « Mais dis à ton ami qu'il cesse de jeter notre argent par les écoutilles ! » (Astérix) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri Apr 10 13:06:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D2B3A68C0 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:06:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WbuGaltwXf6E for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D943A6DAF for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3AK4hAA032933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3AK4h5a032932; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3AK4W1I032916 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 9109351CBE8 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp2.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5BA51CBCA for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1B0F7E7A19; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:04:30 -0700 (PDT) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Typos in USEFOR In-Reply-To: <3ED4A549867C42B090DC1709856897F6@Iulius> ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Fri\, 10 Apr 2009 21\:35\:15 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) References: <3ED4A549867C42B090DC1709856897F6@Iulius> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:04:30 -0700 Message-ID: <87fxggtgvl.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: > Just a few remarks on USEFOR in case it is still time (AUTH48?) to > take some of them into account. Currently, the documents are being edited by the RFC Editor, after which Charles and I will get copies of their edited version to do any final changes and reconciliation. I'm fairly sure that they're both in that state right now (they only tell me personally about USEPRO, but I imagine they're editing the two together). My intention was to go through the various messages here about USEPRO sometime over the next couple of weeks and incorporate typo fixes and the like into my copy of the document, and then do a three-way merge with what the RFC Editor comes up with during AUTH48, sending the results of that process to the list so that everyone can review. I probably won't get a chance to look at the comments here in detail for another couple of days. I'm going on vacation tomorrow, but will be on-line somewhat from Canada. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri Apr 10 14:59:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F276D3A6CCF for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:59:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hr6kZnymct1F for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE79C3A6A83 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3ALwDgE039878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:58:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3ALwDE1039877; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:58:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (smtp4.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.84]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3ALw2RZ039866 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:58:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id ED03A4869B3 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp4.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B824863E6 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 808A4E7A19; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:58:01 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Just got AUTH48 notice for USEPRO User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:58:01 -0700 Message-ID: <87ab6okw7q.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I just got the AUTH48 notice for USEPRO. I'll try to look at it soon. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sat Apr 11 01:12:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5AA3A69D6 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:12:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.837, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.643, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i73lZ8Xwt+Q1 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC8C3A6892 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3B8Aa7e066430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:10:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3B8Aa9t066429; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:10:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n3B8ANlw066412 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:10:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 22648 invoked by uid 503); 11 Apr 2009 08:36:34 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail425.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 08:36:34 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 08:10:24 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-71-42.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@81.48.74.42) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 08:10:23 -0000 Message-ID: <55C5C9C2574F4027A21D4E2FB6D26A66@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <3ED4A549867C42B090DC1709856897F6@Iulius> <87fxggtgvl.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <87fxggtgvl.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: Typos in USEFOR Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:08:22 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 5795851247579758009 X-Ovh-Remote: 81.48.74.42 (aaubervilliers-151-1-71-42.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Russ, > My intention was to go through the various messages here about USEPRO > sometime over the next couple of weeks and incorporate typo fixes and the > like into my copy of the document, and then do a three-way merge with what > the RFC Editor comes up with during AUTH48, sending the results of that > process to the list so that everyone can review. OK. I hope the "three-way merge" will be easy to do. Enjoy your holiday, -- Julien ÉLIE « Bah ! Il est parti sur un coup de tête... » (Astérix) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon Apr 13 09:19:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0113A6E29 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:19:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.503 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.503 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.042, BAYES_50=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_62=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.643, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 54GKI5lvY9gS for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152F23A6C3D for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3DGHGkB042621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:17:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3DGHGqK042620; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:17:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 39.mail-out.ovh.net (39.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.138.60]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n3DGH3Qf042597 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:17:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 26467 invoked by uid 503); 13 Apr 2009 16:17:24 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail96.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 39.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 16:17:24 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 16:17:00 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-71-42.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@81.48.74.42) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 16:16:59 -0000 Message-ID: <5BD46A76620B4AAAB7267B8C2BD06547@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <87bpr8cpyu.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <96088B3EFAFE49899F643996FBEC91B5@Iulius> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Use of message disposition notification Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:14:57 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 7312438420769865145 X-Ovh-Remote: 81.48.74.42 (aaubervilliers-151-1-71-42.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, > Cancel-Lock is not formally defined anywhere Yet, this draft can be a good starting point: http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/usefor/drafts/draft-ietf-usefor-cancel-lock-01.txt > hence I know of no news-server that ever looks at it news.individual.net does not honour cancels and supersedes if there is no valid Cancel-Key: header. http://www.individual.net/faq.php#1.12 http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.usenet.news-server-comparison/msg/7e6d4792819ad90f news.albasani.net also added that: http://albasani.net/wiki/FAQ_(English)#Cancel-Lock_.26_Cancel-Key And maybe other servers too. They do in with a Perl hook in INN. > although a few people add it in hope More and more people are doing that. > Our original plan of work was that, when we were done with our present > drafts, the next jobs would be UTF-8 in newsgroup-names And also how to deal with UTF-8 Distribution: headers? (they are currently limited to ALPHA/DIGIT/+/-/_) MIME is not allowed for them. UTF-8 newsgroup names will also impact headers (Control:, Xref:, etc.). -- Julien ÉLIE « Lorsqu'un savant meurt, c'est une bibliothèque qui brûle. » (Sabatier) From michelle@a-m-c.ca Mon Apr 13 14:59:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1E73A6DCA for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:59:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.94 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.94 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=1.778, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_04=0.172, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_FROM_DRUGS=1.666, SARE_UNI=0.591, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ye6V3Q2wfasd for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ab-advance.co.jp (unknown [190.26.64.215]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6AE943A6EDC for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:59:20 -0700 (PDT) To: Subject: Email Handling Opinion Needed From: VIAGRA . 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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed Apr 15 09:13:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3481C3A69CC for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.939 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.939 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.940, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dWqazPfHsT16 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B8C3A693B for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3FGCTKT037896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:12:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3FGCTDg037895; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:12:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net [79.135.125.99]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3FGCHTC037866 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:12:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster#pop3*clerew$man*ac*uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 49e6075e.1da6.e86 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:12:14 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n3FGC5V6012341 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:12:05 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n3FGC4RW012336 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:12:04 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25037 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Use of message disposition notification Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <87bpr8cpyu.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <96088B3EFAFE49899F643996FBEC91B5@Iulius> <5BD46A76620B4AAAB7267B8C2BD06547@Iulius> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:40:51 GMT Lines: 37 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <5BD46A76620B4AAAB7267B8C2BD06547@Iulius> Julien ÉLIE writes: >Hi Charles, >> Cancel-Lock is not formally defined anywhere >Yet, this draft can be a good starting point: > http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/usefor/drafts/draft-ietf-usefor-cancel-lock-01.txt >> hence I know of no news-server that ever looks at it >news.individual.net does not honour cancels and supersedes >if there is no valid Cancel-Key: header. > http://www.individual.net/faq.php#1.12 > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.usenet.news-server-comparison/msg/7e6d4792819ad90f Ah! I am a NIN customer, but they never told me about it :-( . But on looking at the FAQs that I regularly post, I see that they have been adding Cancel-Locks and Cancel-Keys to them, and they seem to have worked. Is that draft-ietf-usefor-cancel-lock-01.txt still a correct description of the algorithm as it is now implemented? -- Charles H. 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