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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sun Nov 1 21:10:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9433A69A3 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:10:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MKr6dtnR0Arp for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38033A6848 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA25807o089284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:08:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA2580Xi089283; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:08:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA257tUK089271 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:07:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9F539E15D; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:07:54 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xBXmAnjrvgnZ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:07:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (c83-250-103-72.bredband.comhem.se [83.250.103.72]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1491739E1BC; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:07:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AEE6893.5090008@alvestrand.no> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:05:23 +0100 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charles Lindsey CC: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Re: AUTH48 is stuck References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I've woken up now, and will try to deal with this. Charles, I have your diffs from September 21. I will try to inspect them, and if I approve them, I think we can get this unstuck. Harald Charles Lindsey wrote: > RFC 5536 (aka our USEFOR) draft is stuck in AUTH 48. > > The problem is that it is agreed it needs to refer to RFC 5532 rather than > RFC 2822, but RFC has changed the syntax of Message-ID (considerably > simplified it) and this has consequential effects on the corresponding > syntax in RFC 5536. > > I published the changes I considered desirable (a considerable > simplification in fact) in this WG months and months ago, and I thought we > had rough consensus that they should go ahead - certainly several people > seemed happy with the idea, and none opposed it. > > But I am only the second editor. Ken Murchison is the primary editor and > holds the responsibility for communicating the changes to the RFC Editor, > unless either he or Harald decides or requests otherwise. But there has > been total silence from Ken, apart from two messages to say he would do it > "RSN". > > Every month, the RFC Editor circulates to the editors and others concerned > an enquiry as to whether the changes are yet available, and each month I > reply saying we are still waiting for Ken. > > In desperation a few weeks ago, I prepared the diffs I considered > necessary in the required format, and sent them to Ken (CC to Harald) > with a request that he either adopted them, or did his own, or authorized > me to submit them myself. But there has been no reply. > > How can we proceed if neither Ken nor Harald are replying to emails? And > how else can we proceed? > > From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sun Nov 1 21:46:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E757E3A6818 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:46:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mhzuyOy63muA for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:46:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B07B3A6359 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:46:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA25jpIO090931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA25jpqv090929; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA25jnUK090920 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:45:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B39839E1BC for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:45:49 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wOIWYdmoY5R7 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:45:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (c83-250-103-72.bredband.comhem.se [83.250.103.72]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8DDF39E15D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:45:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AEE7173.2090904@alvestrand.no> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:43:15 +0100 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Diffs for the msg-id issue in -usefor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: This note sent to make sure I have everything in one place, and to make sure I have informed the WG of what I'm planning to do. Apologies for letting this drift so long. Msg-id as defined in RFC 2822: message-id = "Message-ID:" msg-id CRLF in-reply-to = "In-Reply-To:" 1*msg-id CRLF references = "References:" 1*msg-id CRLF msg-id = [CFWS] "<" id-left "@" id-right ">" [CFWS] id-left = dot-atom-text / no-fold-quote / obs-id-left id-right = dot-atom-text / no-fold-literal / obs-id-right no-fold-quote = DQUOTE *(qtext / quoted-pair) DQUOTE no-fold-literal = "[" *(dtext / quoted-pair) "]" Msg-id as defined in RFC 5322: msg-id = [CFWS] "<" id-left "@" id-right ">" [CFWS] id-left = dot-atom-text / obs-id-left id-right = dot-atom-text / no-fold-literal / obs-id-right no-fold-literal = "[" *dtext "]" Msg-id as defined in -usefor: msg-id = "<" msg-id-core ">" ; maximum length is 250 octets msg-id-core = id-left "@" id-right id-left = dot-atom-text / no-fold-quote id-right = dot-atom-text / no-fold-literal no-fold-quote = DQUOTE ( "." *mqtext / *mqtext "." / *mqtext mqspecial *mqtext ) DQUOTE mqtext = atext / "." / mqspecial mqspecial = "(" / ")" / ; same as specials except "<" / ; "\" and DQUOTE quoted "[" / "]" / ; "." doubled and ">" omitted ":" / ";" / "@" / "," / ".." / "\\" / "\" DQUOTE no-fold-literal = "[" *( mdtext / "\[" / "\]" / "\\" ) "]" mdtext = %d33-61 / ; The rest of the US-ASCII %d63-90 / ; characters not including %d94-126 ; ">", "[", "]", or "\" msg-id as proposed by Charles to allow us to reference 5322: message-id = "Message-ID:" SP *WSP msg-id *WSP CRLF msg-id = "<" msg-id-core ">" ; maximum length is 250 octets msg-id-core = id-left "@" id-right id-left = dot-atom-text id-right = dot-atom-text / no-fold-literal no-fold-literal = "[" **mdtext* "]" mdtext = %d33-61 / ; The rest of the US-ASCII %d63-90 / ; characters not including %d94-126 ; ">", "[", "]", or "\" The differences between this proposal and 5322 are: - No CFWS before or after - No obs-* productions - No > characters inside a no-fold-literal I think this is appropriate, and will tell the RFC Editor that he should make that change. Harald From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 2 09:13:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1058928C1E6 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:13:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.446 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.446 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.600, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aigNdIaMjj89 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:13:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C40128C1AD for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:13:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA2HC6hg032082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA2HC6SW032081; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-1.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-1.gradwell.net [79.135.125.40]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA2HC4su032070 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster*pop3#clerew#man#ac#uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4aef12e3.7e49.22b for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:12:03 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nA2HC1sg029219 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:12:02 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id nA2HC1SV029214 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:12:01 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25141 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Diffs for the msg-id issue in -usefor Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <4AEE7173.2090904@alvestrand.no> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:08:31 GMT Lines: 50 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <4AEE7173.2090904@alvestrand.no> Harald Alvestrand writes: >This note sent to make sure I have everything in one place, and to make >sure I have informed the WG of what I'm planning to do. >Apologies for letting this drift so long. >msg-id as proposed by Charles to allow us to reference 5322: > message-id = "Message-ID:" SP *WSP msg-id *WSP CRLF > msg-id = "<" msg-id-core ">" > ; maximum length is 250 octets > msg-id-core = id-left "@" id-right > id-left = dot-atom-text > id-right = dot-atom-text / no-fold-literal > no-fold-literal = "[" **mdtext* "]" ^ ^ You seem to have found a couple of superflous '*' in there. Otherwise it is all correct. > mdtext = %d33-61 / ; The rest of the US-ASCII > %d63-90 / ; characters not including > %d94-126 ; ">", "[", "]", or "\" >The differences between this proposal and 5322 are: >- No CFWS before or after >- No obs-* productions >- No > characters inside a no-fold-literal There were also various other consequential changes to the text and other nits from Julien, which I have already emailed you about off-list. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 2 14:53:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F56D3A6778 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:53:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.293 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.293 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.852, BAYES_50=0.001, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VvQzWhWFOaI6 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:53:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452D23A67CF for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:53:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA2MqZmm050579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:52:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA2MqZFa050577; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:52:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (42.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.189.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nA2MqXkw050570 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:52:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 10837 invoked by uid 503); 2 Nov 2009 22:52:34 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail640.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:52:34 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:52:21 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.29.240) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:52:19 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Issue in ABNF syntax for the User-Agent: header Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:52:28 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 7107524637824515513 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.29.240 (aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, I read in USEFOR: user-agent = "User-Agent:" SP 1*product [CFWS] CRLF product = [CFWS] token [ [CFWS] "/" product-version ] product-version = [CFWS] token and in RFC 2045: token := 1* tspecials := "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@" / "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <"> / "/" / "[" / "]" / "?" / "=" ; Must be in quoted-string, ; to use within parameter values However, a quick "HDR User-Agent -" on news.software.nntp gives at least: 7710 Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) 7704 slrn/pre1.0.0-15 (Linux) 7660 tin/1.9.5-20091003 ("Rieclachan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.24-24-generic (i686)) 7659 Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) 7600 MacSOUP/2.8.2 (Mac OS X version 10.5.8 (x86)) 7594 Turnpike/6.07-M () 7587 Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) All of them are not USEFOR-compliant! Is it normal?!? Isn't something missing in the ABNF syntax? If I read RFC 2626 for HTTP, I see: User-Agent = "User-Agent" ":" 1*( product | comment ) comment = "(" *( ctext | quoted-pair | comment ) ")" ctext = which seems to be more accurate thant what USEFOR mentions. Incidentally, it is normal we have [CFWS] for a few headers and not others? No initial folding for Path: path = "Path:" SP *WSP path-list tail-entry *WSP CRLF path-list = *( path-identity [FWS] [path-diagnostic] "!" ) but a possible one for Archive: archive = "Archive:" SP [CFWS] ("no" / "yes") *( [CFWS] ";" [CFWS] archive-param ) [CFWS] CRLF I think that's OK, but better be sure... -- Julien ÉLIE « A man inserted an 'ad' in the classifieds: "Wife wanted". Next day he received a hundred letters. They all said the same thing: "You can have mine." » From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 2 20:59:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E984D3A688A for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:59:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.746 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.746 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Ec7XhUzRlkv for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006793A672E for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:59:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA34whPK066497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:58:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA34whoJ066496; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:58:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from flowerpot.kaijanaho.fi (flowerpot.kaijanaho.fi [80.68.88.155]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA34weGN066490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:58:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from antti-juhani@kaijanaho.fi) Received: from kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi (a91-156-163-173.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.156.163.173]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ajk) by flowerpot.kaijanaho.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A1C9DFC878; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:58:39 +0200 (EET) Received: by kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D7B6885410D; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:58:38 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:58:38 +0200 From: Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho To: Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE?= Cc: Usefor WG Subject: Re: Issue in ABNF syntax for the User-Agent: header Message-ID: <20091103045838.GB4464@kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 11:52:28PM +0100, Julien ÉLIE wrote: > > Hi, > > I read in USEFOR: > > user-agent = "User-Agent:" SP 1*product [CFWS] CRLF > product = [CFWS] token [ [CFWS] "/" product-version ] > product-version = [CFWS] token > > and in RFC 2045: > > token := 1* or tspecials> > > tspecials := "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@" / > "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <"> / > "/" / "[" / "]" / "?" / "=" > ; Must be in quoted-string, > ; to use within parameter values > > > However, a quick "HDR User-Agent -" on news.software.nntp gives at least: > > 7710 Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) > 7704 slrn/pre1.0.0-15 (Linux) > 7660 tin/1.9.5-20091003 ("Rieclachan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.24-24-generic (i686)) > 7659 Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) > 7600 MacSOUP/2.8.2 (Mac OS X version 10.5.8 (x86)) > 7594 Turnpike/6.07-M () > 7587 Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) > > All of them are not USEFOR-compliant! Do you mean "None of them are" or "At least one of them is"? In any case, as far as I can seem they all comply. Can you explain in more detail why you think they don't? > Incidentally, it is normal we have [CFWS] for a few headers and not others? I believe it is intentional. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 3 09:34:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2ACD3A6A48 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:34:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.689, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xF+TpwyW1Z9V for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C04B3A68E0 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA3HVpIL012051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:31:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA3HVp0B012050; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:31:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nA3HVmJ8012043 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:31:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 30728 invoked by uid 503); 3 Nov 2009 17:46:06 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail94.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 17:46:06 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 17:38:44 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.29.240) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 17:38:41 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDD33BEF50E446384BA00E80CC09722@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <20091103045838.GB4464@kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi> In-Reply-To: <20091103045838.GB4464@kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi> Subject: Re: Issue in ABNF syntax for the User-Agent: header Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:31:42 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 7683422441020259769 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.29.240 (aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Antti-Juhani, >> I read in USEFOR: >> >> user-agent = "User-Agent:" SP 1*product [CFWS] CRLF >> product = [CFWS] token [ [CFWS] "/" product-version ] >> product-version = [CFWS] token >> >> and in RFC 2045: >> >> token := 1*> or tspecials> >> >> tspecials := "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@" / >> "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <"> / >> "/" / "[" / "]" / "?" / "=" >> ; Must be in quoted-string, >> ; to use within parameter values >> >> >> However, a quick "HDR User-Agent -" on news.software.nntp gives at least: >> >> 7710 Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) >> 7704 slrn/pre1.0.0-15 (Linux) >> 7660 tin/1.9.5-20091003 ("Rieclachan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.24-24-generic (i686)) >> 7659 Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) >> 7600 MacSOUP/2.8.2 (Mac OS X version 10.5.8 (x86)) >> 7594 Turnpike/6.07-M () >> 7587 Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) >> >> All of them are not USEFOR-compliant! > > In any case, as far as I can seem they all comply. Can you explain in more > detail why you think they don't? Because a parenthesis, for instance "(", is NOT allowed in a token. I believe USEFOR should introduce the notion of a comment here (which allows such a construction, as RFC 2626 does), besides the product. -- Julien ÉLIE « La différence entre un chanteur et une paire de chaussures est que le chanteur doit partir avant de lasser. La paire de chaussures, il vaut mieux les lacer avant de partir. » (Philippe Geluck) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 3 10:12:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B0B28C164 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:12:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N7cWGIH16Kcd for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD98728C15C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA3IBbZS014213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:11:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA3IBbih014212; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:11:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com [64.74.157.62]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA3IBXVu014202 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:11:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from McQuilWP@pobox.com) Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D8C901C9; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:11:32 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=date:from :message-id:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=sasl; bh=d22g74mrS5HZ AksmzpBVC/ERs+4=; b=P63KdDZHU+UgiB5fUcBZkBX6TYLSfewEIuD9S4KvOFg2 dzbwcLoYKGni963mHI8gBUb4mGILpdJYgzLbQYKs9DiFX7A+6ikgbzb160dSQ8Lk hM2wYVOIHSt5dR1QUizNq0Lc3xX8Yt+tjZFqrcBoE+Wq7ag0f0nhw8VEuz7uUs8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=date:from :message-id:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=sasl; b=gOhaS6 bezpHNzMvo9Irbh9psZWg3NU71JkEDBy5WTGBC9n7Z0RfenZtWxxZ6SPgm5Cab1C kM6wQaNBKxdAOZb8MP9oOTJl/wHNkXknsyGzPXKrUP/Wu3GNqdOacY5WAtbBZxF9 eYQvkU5xDhTQEuzFnRKSzLPDKbyb+FoDA2qpY= Received: from a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAEFA901C7; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (unknown [68.107.60.165]) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2E5C3901C6; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:11:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:11:28 -0800 From: Bill McQuillan X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <348525937.20091103101128@pobox.com> To: Usenet Subject: Re: Issue in ABNF syntax for the User-Agent: header In-Reply-To: <4BDD33BEF50E446384BA00E80CC09722@Iulius> References: <20091103045838.GB4464@kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi> <4BDD33BEF50E446384BA00E80CC09722@Iulius> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 50814780-C8A4-11DE-9CD0-A67CBBB5EC2E-02871704!a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Tue, 2009-11-03, Julien =C9LIE wrote: > Because a parenthesis, for instance "(", is NOT allowed in a token. CFWS allows a --=20 Bill McQuillan From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 3 10:16:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B397328C14D for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:16:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 583pjsr2V2Pn for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A3B28C146 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA3IFY2b014553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA3IFYia014552; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from flowerpot.kaijanaho.fi (flowerpot.kaijanaho.fi [80.68.88.155]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA3IFUQP014541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from antti-juhani@kaijanaho.fi) Received: from kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi (e82-103-229-207.elisa-laajakaista.fi [82.103.229.207]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ajk) by flowerpot.kaijanaho.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 84AA0FC878 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:15:29 +0200 (EET) Received: by kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E0EDF85410D; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:15:27 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:15:27 +0200 From: Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho To: Usefor WG Subject: Re: Issue in ABNF syntax for the User-Agent: header Message-ID: <20091103181527.GA4385@kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi> References: <20091103045838.GB4464@kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi> <4BDD33BEF50E446384BA00E80CC09722@Iulius> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4BDD33BEF50E446384BA00E80CC09722@Iulius> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 06:31:42PM +0100, Julien ÉLIE wrote: > >>I read in USEFOR: > >> > >> user-agent = "User-Agent:" SP 1*product [CFWS] CRLF > >> product = [CFWS] token [ [CFWS] "/" product-version ] > >> product-version = [CFWS] token > >> > >>and in RFC 2045: > >> > >> token := 1* >> or tspecials> > >> > >> tspecials := "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@" / > >> "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <"> / > >> "/" / "[" / "]" / "?" / "=" > >> ; Must be in quoted-string, > >> ; to use within parameter values > Because a parenthesis, for instance "(", is NOT allowed in a token. Of course not - but the parenthetical statements are not tokens, they are CFWSs, which are allowed between tokens in the grammar quoted above. > I believe USEFOR should introduce the notion of a comment here (which allows > such a construction, as RFC 2626 does), besides the product. No need to introduce - it already allows them. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 3 10:18:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1337528C139 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:18:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.582 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.582 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.460, BAYES_05=-1.11, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, TVD_FINGER_02=2.134] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xjVWSqbFc770 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306CD3A6A10 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA3IHXsr014842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:17:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA3IHXNV014841; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:17:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nA3IHUsi014829 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:17:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 5780 invoked by uid 503); 3 Nov 2009 18:31:50 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail94.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 18:31:50 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 18:24:27 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.29.240) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 18:24:25 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" , References: <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> In-Reply-To: Subject: New syntax on message-IDs (was Re: AUTH48 is stuck) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:17:26 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 8455789775950446009 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.29.240 (aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, >> If I understand well the new syntax in USEFOR, the following message-IDs >> are invalid: >> >> <"test"@test> >> >> >> >> >> whereas the following message-ID is valid: >> >> > > Correct. And the same is true in RFC 5322 also. OK. INN is currently only seeing the second one as invalid. The four other are considered to be valid. CHECK <"test"@test> 238 <"test"@test> CHECK 438 CHECK 238 CHECK 238 CHECK 238 CHECK 438 Note that 438 is sent (refusal to receive the article) instead of 501 (syntax error) because of backwards compatibility with existing news servers, contrary to what RFC 3977 suggests. > But some strange variants > such as <"te..st@test> are allowed in the present USEFOR syntax. INN currently considers it to be invalid. So that's fine because the new USEFOR syntax disallows it. CHECK <"te..st@test> 438 <"te..st@test> Is it OK for news servers to switch to the new USEFOR syntax right now? or would it cause problems? We can use that new syntax, starting with INN 2.5.2. -- Julien ÉLIE « La différence entre un chanteur et une paire de chaussures est que le chanteur doit partir avant de lasser. La paire de chaussures, il vaut mieux les lacer avant de partir. » (Philippe Geluck) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 3 10:36:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A78028C174 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:36:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.572 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.572 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.684, BAYES_05=-1.11, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mLXfX8s7jXWw for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E1728C192 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA3IZQr2015682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:35:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA3IZQLO015681; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:35:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nA3IZO50015674 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 16776 invoked by uid 503); 3 Nov 2009 18:49:45 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail94.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 18:49:45 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 18:42:21 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.29.240) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 18:42:19 -0000 Message-ID: <50BBDB83112446FFA17BC92B458247B6@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usenet" References: <20091103045838.GB4464@kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi> <4BDD33BEF50E446384BA00E80CC09722@Iulius> <348525937.20091103101128@pobox.com> In-Reply-To: <348525937.20091103101128@pobox.com> Subject: Re: Issue in ABNF syntax for the User-Agent: header Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:35:19 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 8758093900706807225 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.29.240 (aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, [Bill] >> Because a parenthesis, for instance "(", is NOT allowed in a token. > > CFWS allows a Ah, I've missed that! And CFWS allows consecutive comments too. [Antti] > Of course not - but the parenthetical statements are not tokens, they are > CFWSs, which are allowed between tokens in the grammar quoted above. Well, sorry for the disturbance... -- Julien ÉLIE « Je suis capable du meilleur comme du pire, mais pour le pire, c'est moi le meilleur. » (Coluche) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 5 09:15:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B4A3A6768 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:15:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.754, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KI+y6NMbycS2 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FC23A6875 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA5HCLZh070163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA5HCLFG070162; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net [79.135.125.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA5HCHDB070134 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:12:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster&pop3^clerew*man#ac#uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4af3076f.75b0.248 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:12:15 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nA5HC4jd026312 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:12:04 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id nA5HC2V4026304 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:12:03 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25149 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: New syntax on message-IDs (was Re: AUTH48 is stuck) Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:51:23 GMT Lines: 55 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >Hi Charles, >>> If I understand well the new syntax in USEFOR, the following message-IDs >>> are invalid: >>> >>> <"test"@test> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> whereas the following message-ID is valid: >>> >>> >> >> Correct. And the same is true in RFC 5322 also. >OK. >INN is currently only seeing the second one as invalid. The four other >are considered to be valid. I think that is more or less what I would expect, since those four would be valid under RFC 2822, but not under RFC 5322. I don't think we need to care whether servers accept the invalid cases. Indeed I am surprised that INN bothers to test them at all. The normal implementation should just extract eveything within <...>, and see if it is matched in the history file. As for sites that attempt to _generate_ msg-ids, then they certainly should not be doing it. But the plain fact is that nobody ever generates msg-ids of those formats (have you ever seen one in the wild?). So there is really no problem. >CHECK <"test"@test> CHECK is not a standard NNTP command BTW. >Is it OK for news servers to switch to the new USEFOR syntax right >now? or would it cause problems? >We can use that new syntax, starting with INN 2.5.2. Yes, because in practice the awkward cases will never arise. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 5 09:45:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5D13A6869 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:45:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.118 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.118 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.966, BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_24=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, TVD_FINGER_02=2.134] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fue43D6RTd0C for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:45:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527113A69A4 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:45:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA5HhWpk072191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA5HhVdh072190; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 30.mail-out.ovh.net (30.mail-out.ovh.net [213.186.62.213]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nA5HhU3p072183 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:43:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 30553 invoked by uid 503); 5 Nov 2009 17:43:28 -0000 Received: from b9.ovh.net (HELO mail26.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 30.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 17:43:28 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 17:46:01 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.29.240) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 17:46:00 -0000 Message-ID: <18170AC669024135AEB26FD6A8AA7B1B@Iulius> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: New syntax on message-IDs (was Re: AUTH48 is stuck) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:43:25 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 1105633709545160121 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.29.240 (aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, > I am surprised that > INN bothers to test them at all. The normal implementation should just > extract eveything within <...>, and see if it is matched in the history > file. Because first of all we check the syntax of NNTP commands: IHAVE 435 Syntax error in message-ID (We *reject* the message with 435, not 501.) which is also done for readers: ARTICLE bad-id 501 Syntax error in message-ID ARTICLE 12a 501 Syntax error in article number Secondly, the Message-ID: header will be checked in the message: IHAVE 335 Send it From: "Demo User" Newsgroups: fr.test Subject: I am just a test article Date: 5 Nov 2009 04:38:40 -0500 Path: me Message-ID: nasty-one! Test. . 437 Bad "Message-ID" header RFC 3977: If the server is also conforming to another specification that contains a definition of message-id compatible with this one, the server SHOULD use those message-ids. I also see in USEPRO that: [A relaying agent] MAY reject any article that contains header fields that do not have valid contents. so I believe that's OK. >>CHECK <"test"@test> > > CHECK is not a standard NNTP command BTW. The result would have been the same with IHAVE. See my examples above. >>Is it OK for news servers to switch to the new USEFOR syntax right >>now? or would it cause problems? >>We can use that new syntax, starting with INN 2.5.2. > > Yes, because in practice the awkward cases will never arise. OK, thanks. -- Julien ÉLIE « La science consiste à passer d'un étonnement à l'autre. » (Aristote) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 5 09:49:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09FD23A696F for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:49:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W3DqCA4hyXI2 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:49:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE95F3A6869 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA5HmlWB072445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:48:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA5HmlOL072444; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:48:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA5Hmi6W072438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:48:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 15BD318FFD6 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:48:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7768018FFCB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7150B2F41E; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:48:43 -0800 (PST) From: Russ Allbery To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Re: New syntax on message-IDs In-Reply-To: (Charles Lindsey's message of "Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:51:23 GMT") Organization: The Eyrie References: <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:48:43 -0800 Message-ID: <874op8q2v8.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: "Charles Lindsey" writes: > =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >> CHECK <"test"@test> > CHECK is not a standard NNTP command BTW. RFC 4644 is standards track. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri Nov 6 09:13:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD06128C177 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:13:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.137 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.691, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q79TfYhvg9Hr for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:13:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDFD3A67C0 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:13:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA6HC8ds051370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:12:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA6HC8B8051369; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:12:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net [79.135.125.43]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA6HC5rD051358 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster^pop3^clerew&man*ac*uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4af458e3.1d28.e8 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:12:03 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nA6HC2XI006749 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:12:03 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id nA6HC2tL006746 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:12:02 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25151 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: New syntax on message-IDs Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> <874op8q2v8.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:38:31 GMT Lines: 35 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <874op8q2v8.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Russ Allbery writes: >"Charles Lindsey" writes: >> =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >>> CHECK <"test"@test> >> CHECK is not a standard NNTP command BTW. >RFC 4644 is standards track. OK, I got that now. It essentially means "I have an article with this msg-id; would you like me to send it?" But in fact there is no great need for the server to check the syntax of the msg-id (though there is nothing wrong or harmful in doing so). The client has no business offering a bad msg-id in the first place (and wherever it got it from should not have sent it, right back to who/whatever constructed it in the first place). If a bad msg-id _does_ enter the system, then it make well propagate perfectly well. Then again it may not (some servers may not like it; some servers might munge it; garbage-in -> garbage-out and all that). What the standards say is that a well-formed msg-id MUST/SHOULD progagate correctly (modulo the right of any site to reject anything for reasons of local policy, of course). -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri Nov 6 11:45:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CAE3A6977 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:45:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XuqVvBIxw0Zx for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:45:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806103A680B for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:45:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA6Jisb0059821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA6JisDt059820; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (smtp4.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.84]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA6JioNe059814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id A23F5C95A for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B013C8EC for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 31F972F47F; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:44:50 -0800 (PST) From: Russ Allbery To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Re: New syntax on message-IDs In-Reply-To: (Charles Lindsey's message of "Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:38:31 GMT") Organization: The Eyrie References: <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> <874op8q2v8.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:44:50 -0800 Message-ID: <87skcrxwst.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: "Charles Lindsey" writes: > OK, I got that now. It essentially means "I have an article with this > msg-id; would you like me to send it?" But in fact there is no great > need for the server to check the syntax of the msg-id (though there is > nothing wrong or harmful in doing so). The client has no business > offering a bad msg-id in the first place (and wherever it got it from > should not have sent it, right back to who/whatever constructed it in > the first place). Yes, there's no major need, but it's not a bad idea anyway. There is some interoperability justification in rejecting malformed message IDs, since some servers behave poorly if you send them one, in ways that can cause problems in correctly identifying the error and understanding which article to not send on to the badly behaving server. Rejecting them up-front is in some ways cleaner. This is particularly true of excessively long message IDs, which can cause all sorts of weird problems. Message IDs containing whitespace are in general just a bad idea, too, since they're likely to break NNTP command parsing in numerous places down the line. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From conflagrationoi95@resdevhr.com Sun Nov 8 18:55:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8583A6A4A; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:55:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.688 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.688 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, TVD_FINGER_02=2.134] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id siSDk20fSHmT; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from S0106005018111d3f.cg.shawcable.net (S0106005018111d3f.cg.shawcable.net [174.0.63.208]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5AD3A6A33; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:55:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000d01ca60e8$031a39d0$6400a8c0@conflagrationoi95> From: "Ira Galloway" To: Subject: Choose the needed field. 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I see that RFC 5322 always uses a space. In USEFOR, the term appears 4 times, and only once with a space: o Every line of a header field body (including the first and any that are subsequently folded) MUST contain at least one non- whitespace character. Although comments and folding of white space are permitted throughout the Injection-Info header field, folding SHOULD NOT be used within any . NOTE: [RFC2616] describes a similar facility for the HTTP protocol. The Netnews article format differs in that "{" and "}" are allowed in tokens ( and ) and comments are permitted wherever whitespace is allowed. o Every line of a header field body (including the first and any that are subsequently folded) MUST contain at least one non- whitespace character. 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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 11 06:06:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5AB28C192 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:06:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.994 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.994 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.151, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HN0TvuK7q4Vj for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0779428C18D for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nABE02N2031716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nABE02Qx031715; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (42.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.189.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nABDxxxJ031654 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 6442 invoked by uid 503); 11 Nov 2009 14:00:02 -0000 Received: from b9.ovh.net (HELO mail419.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2009 14:00:02 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2009 14:00:14 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-40-10.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.151.10) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2009 14:00:12 -0000 Message-ID: <02FCE9AB44A54784A0946723975A84D3@Iulius> From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Typos and new message-ID syntax in RFC 5538 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:59:52 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 14081630136854707641 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.151.10 (aaubervilliers-151-1-40-10.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, Shouldn't a few things be changed in draft-ellermann-news-nntp-uri-11 before its publication as RFC 5538? Especially after the changed made in RFC 5536 (USEFOR)? For Netnews, a group "example" has the same name on any server carrying this group, exotic cases involving gateways not withstanding. * "notwithstanding", in only one word? (I do not understand otherwise the sentence if it is the verb "to withstand".) URI producers have to percent-encode some characters as specified below (Section 4); otherwise, they MUST treat a "Message-ID" without angle brackets for 'news' URLs as is, i.e., case-sensitive, preserving quoted pairs and quoted strings. * Quoted strings no longer exist. nntpURL = "nntp:" server "/" group [ "/" article-number ] server = "//" authority ; see RFC 3986 group = 1*( group-char / pct-encoded ) article-number = 1*16DIGIT ; see RFC 3977 group-char = ALPHA / DIGIT / "-" / "+" / "_" / "." * Is it wise to redefine here, limited to 16 digits? We already know that an article number has in pratice more than 16 digits because a few servers (like Giganews) currently use 64-bit numbers for article numbers. Therefore, why explicitly refer to RFC 3977? The limitation of 16 digits may be obsoleted by an extension. However, [RFC5536] does not (yet) permit characters outside of and so, to keep the syntax simple, the additional characters are here covered by as defined in [RFC3986], * Shouldn't the sentence be changed? "(yet)" is strange. It appears twice RFC 5538. Please note that "%20" (space) and "%3E" (">") are not allowed. A "%5C" (backslash, "\") can only occur in four combinations, as shown above. Examples: news://server.example/ab.cd@example.com news:%22do..ts%22@example.com news:ab.cd@%5B2001:DB8::CD30%5D * The second example is invalid. Two consecutive dots are not allowed. Quoted strings are no longer allowed. mid-left = 1*( mid-atext / "." ) / ; ( "%22" mid-quote "%22" ) ; mid-quote = 1*( mid-atext / "." / ; incl. mid-special / ; '\"' / "[" / "]" "%5C%22" / "%5B" / "%5D" ) * This syntax is no longer allowed. As noted above (Section 2.2), the presence of an "@" in a 'news' URI disambiguates
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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri Nov 13 15:35:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80B23A683B for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:35:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.134, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DOSE0WVt1n+H for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0132A3A67AC for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:35:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nADNYkCH047351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:34:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nADNYkGW047350; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:34:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 2.mail-out.ovh.net (2.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.26.226]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nADNYiP0047343 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:34:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 10671 invoked by uid 503); 14 Nov 2009 00:21:34 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail408.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 2.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2009 00:21:34 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2009 23:35:25 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-40-10.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.151.10) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2009 23:35:25 -0000 Message-ID: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Lines count in USEFOR Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:34:40 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 17094819762177506745 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.151.10 (aaubervilliers-151-1-40-10.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, According to USEFOR: 3.3.1. Lines The Lines header field indicates the number of lines in the (as defined in [RFC5322]) of the article. lines = "Lines:" SP *WSP 1*DIGIT *WSP CRLF The line count is the number of CRLF separators in the . Historically, this header field was used by the NNTP [RFC3977] overview facility, but its use for this purpose is now deprecated. As a result, this header field is to be regarded as obsolescent, and it is likely to be removed entirely in a future version of this standard. All agents SHOULD ignore it and SHOULD NOT generate it. If I read RFC 5322: body = (*(*998text CRLF) *998text) / obs-body Isn't the final *998text counting for a line? I believe the line count is the number of CRLF separators in the PLUS ONE. (Unless I'm mistaken by the definition of the body?) The second part of the paragraph seems unclear. I am under the impression that RFC 3977 says we can use Lines: in the overview but USEFOR -- posterior to RFC 3977 -- deprecates that use. This header field is not used by OVER in RFC 3977. Maybe the reference to RFC 3977 should just be removed in the paragraph. Thus leaving NNTP in general. -- Julien ÉLIE « A good wife always forgives her husband when she's wrong. » (Rodney Dangerfield) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri Nov 13 15:46:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCFC3A67A8 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:46:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eP-isJRKtPnU for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:45:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358F63A6768 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:45:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nADNicZa047831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nADNicgV047830; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nADNibB4047823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id B5FFA1709ED for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:44:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A39C17097D for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:44:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3167B25687; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:44:36 -0800 (PST) From: Russ Allbery To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Lines count in USEFOR In-Reply-To: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> ("Julien =?utf-8?Q?=C3=89LIE=22's?= message of "Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:34:40 +0100") Organization: The Eyrie References: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:44:36 -0800 Message-ID: <87k4xu7zx7.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C3=89LIE writes: > If I read RFC 5322: > body =3D (*(*998text CRLF) *998text) / obs-body > Isn't the final *998text counting for a line? > I believe the line count is the number of CRLF separators in the > PLUS ONE. > (Unless I'm mistaken by the definition of the body?) NNTP as presently written cannot transfer an article that does not end in a CRLF. In practice, clients will just add a CRLF to any article that doesn't already end in one, since otherwise they can't POST. By the time we introduce some method of transfer that can handle arbitrary data and therefore doesn't have this problem, I suspect the Lines header will be completely obsolete. > The second part of the paragraph seems unclear. I am under the > impression that RFC 3977 says we can use Lines: in the overview but > USEFOR -- posterior to RFC 3977 -- deprecates that use. This header > field is not used by OVER in RFC 3977. RFC 3977 says that you can *call* the :lines metadata element Lines:, but it's still the metadata element. Per RFC 3977, the Lines header is no longer used to provide the basic overview information. I think that's what's referred to here. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri Nov 13 16:37:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E073A68AF for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:37:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.024 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.024 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.121, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_83=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kqtS7Vwd+eB3 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DF93A6890 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAE0bEK9050207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:37:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAE0bECF050206; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:37:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 2.mail-out.ovh.net (2.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.26.226]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAE0bCMj050198 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:37:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 20082 invoked by uid 503); 14 Nov 2009 01:24:05 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail408.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 2.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2009 01:24:05 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2009 00:37:55 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-40-10.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.151.10) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2009 00:37:54 -0000 Message-ID: <93BBFC6D11974DDF8021CBE9C2AA3907@Iulius> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=C3=89LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> <87k4xu7zx7.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <87k4xu7zx7.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: Lines count in USEFOR Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:37:10 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 18150069448314191289 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.151.10 (aaubervilliers-151-1-40-10.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Russ, > NNTP as presently written cannot transfer an article that does not end in > a CRLF. In practice, clients will just add a CRLF to any article that > doesn't already end in one, since otherwise they can't POST. Ah yes, that final CRLF is not added by me but by my posting agent. The Lines header field indicates the number of lines in the (as defined in [RFC5322]) of the article. body = (*(*998text CRLF) *998text) / obs-body Then USEFOR uses a subset of the e-mail body. And the definition of the Lines: header is right for that subset but wrong in the general case (which may be possible in an NNTP extension). >> The second part of the paragraph seems unclear. I am under the >> impression that RFC 3977 says we can use Lines: in the overview but >> USEFOR -- posterior to RFC 3977 -- deprecates that use. This header >> field is not used by OVER in RFC 3977. > > RFC 3977 says that you can *call* the :lines metadata element Lines:, but > it's still the metadata element. Per RFC 3977, the Lines header is no > longer used to provide the basic overview information. I think that's > what's referred to here. The impression I said I had was when I read "Historically, this header field was used by the NNTP [RFC3977] overview facility, but its use for this purpose is now deprecated.". It looked to me, when reading that sentence, that this header could still be stored in the overview defined by RFC 3977. Which is not the case in OVER answers. As you explained, the sentence hints at LIST OVERVIEW.FMT. Yet, something seems to be wrong: "this header field"? Shouldn't it be "this header name"? Because the value is never used. (Otherwise, its use for this purpose cannot be "deprecated" because we can no longer retrieve the value -- it would be an unsupported feature, which is different than deprecated.) -- Julien ÉLIE « There's a way of transferring funds that is even faster than electronic banking. It's called marriage. » (Sam Kinison) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri Nov 13 16:45:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C4E3A6814 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:45:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.746 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.746 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_83=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lwBZTMuqw5eB for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:45:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D893F3A6782 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAE0jIkr050614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:45:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAE0jIgU050613; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:45:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (smtp4.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.84]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAE0jG5H050604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 15B03CB7E for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:45:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E456CB40 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:45:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 874E725687; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:45:15 -0800 (PST) From: Russ Allbery To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Lines count in USEFOR In-Reply-To: <93BBFC6D11974DDF8021CBE9C2AA3907@Iulius> ("Julien =?utf-8?Q?=C3=89LIE=22's?= message of "Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:37:10 +0100") Organization: The Eyrie References: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> <87k4xu7zx7.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <93BBFC6D11974DDF8021CBE9C2AA3907@Iulius> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:45:15 -0800 Message-ID: <87my2q6ijo.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C3=89LIE writes: > Ah yes, that final CRLF is not added by me but by my posting agent. > The Lines header field indicates the number of lines in the > (as defined in [RFC5322]) of the article. > body =3D (*(*998text CRLF) *998text) / obs-body > Then USEFOR uses a subset of the e-mail body. And the definition of > the Lines: header is right for that subset but wrong in the general case > (which may be possible in an NNTP extension). Yeah, I'd say that's correct. In practice, the value of Lines varies so much (it's common for user agents to set it prior to adding the signature file, for instance) that being off by a line is minor compared to other problems. > The impression I said I had was when I read "Historically, this header > field was used by the NNTP [RFC3977] overview facility, but its use for > this purpose is now deprecated.". > It looked to me, when reading that sentence, that this header could > still be stored in the overview defined by RFC 3977. Which is not the > case in OVER answers. > As you explained, the sentence hints at LIST OVERVIEW.FMT. > Yet, something seems to be wrong: "this header field"? Shouldn't it > be "this header name"? Because the value is never used. The value *used* to be used. Old versions of INN, for instance, would copy the Lines header into the overview rather than doing their own count and would only do their own count if there were no existing Lines header. That's the behavior that USEFOR is saying is deprecated. 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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 16 09:13:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF0628C108 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:13:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.044, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lha6OKoli52j for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:13:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0593A681A for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:13:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAGHCEY5063972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAGHCEa8063971; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net [79.135.125.99]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAGHCCA4063963 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster*pop3*clerew*man*ac$uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4b0187eb.541f.26e for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:12:11 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nAGHC6SD019617 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:12:06 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id nAGHC54l019609 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:12:05 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25161 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Lines count in USEFOR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> <87k4xu7zx7.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:45:46 GMT Lines: 50 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <87k4xu7zx7.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Russ Allbery writes: >Julien ÉLIE writes: >> If I read RFC 5322: >> body = (*(*998text CRLF) *998text) / obs-body >> Isn't the final *998text counting for a line? >> I believe the line count is the number of CRLF separators in the >> PLUS ONE. >> (Unless I'm mistaken by the definition of the body?) >NNTP as presently written cannot transfer an article that does not end in >a CRLF. In practice, clients will just add a CRLF to any article that >doesn't already end in one, since otherwise they can't POST. Then I suspect USEFOR ought to have said that the CRLF at the end was REQUIRED. Do we really want to fix that now? And what if you send it by UUCP? The definition in Son-of-1036 is The line count includes all body lines, including the signature if any, including empty lines (if any) at beginning or end of the body. (The single empty separator line between the headers and the body is not part of the body.) The "body" here is the body as found in the posted article, AFTER all transformations such as MIME encodings. which doew not really answer the question. But then a final was REQUIRED by Son-of-1036. Looking at the implementation of Cnews, if you contrive to inject a body with no CRLF (which most user agents would not permit), the injection process will add a CRLF. But I suspect that I have also hacked a bug into my cnews, because if you check the Lines header on this message, I have a suspicion you will find it has counted my signature twice :-( . -- Charles H. 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In practice, clients will just add a CRLF to any article that >>doesn't already end in one, since otherwise they can't POST. > > Then I suspect USEFOR ought to have said that the CRLF at the end was > REQUIRED. It is REQUIRED if you use NNTP commands defined in RFC 3977 and 4644 (for streaming). One cannot post or transmit an article without a final CRLF; one sees a final CRLF when it retrieves the body. But if NNTP extensions defines others commands (like the possibility to send a gzipped article, and to also retrieve it gzipped, it may not be necessary to have a final CRLF -- though if transmitted or retrieved with usual NNTP commands, a final CRLF will need to be added...). > And what if you send it by UUCP? 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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 17 02:52:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F264D3A68C7 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:52:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.64 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.64 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.248, BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aVr+eZHN6Sp9 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:52:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B4428C12A for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:51:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAHAZvKA025247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:35:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAHAZvC1025246; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:35:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAHAZtgP025240 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:35:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234D539E1B3; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:35:55 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u2OmdjF8ercZ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:35:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from hta-dell.lul.corp.google.com (62-20-124-50.customer.telia.com [62.20.124.50]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87B5439E173; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:35:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B027C85.5080306@alvestrand.no> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:35:49 +0100 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= CC: Usefor WG Subject: Re: Lines count in USEFOR References: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> In-Reply-To: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: My memory says that we had an extensive discussion before we landed on=20 the idea that the line count =3D=3D the number of CRLFs in the Body. 1) It's unambiguously correct for bodies that end with CRLF and with no=20 bare CRLF 2) It's clear how to count for bodies that contain bare CR or bare LF 3) It's compatible with at least some existing code for bodies that=20 don't end in CRLF I suggest we leave this one alone. Julien =C9LIE wrote: > > Hi, > > According to USEFOR: > > > 3.3.1. Lines > > The Lines header field indicates the number of lines in the > (as defined in [RFC5322]) of the article. > > lines =3D "Lines:" SP *WSP 1*DIGIT *WSP CRLF > > The line count is the number of CRLF separators in the . > > Historically, this header field was used by the NNTP [RFC3977] > overview facility, but its use for this purpose is now deprecated. > As a result, this header field is to be regarded as obsolescent, and > it is likely to be removed entirely in a future version of this > standard. All agents SHOULD ignore it and SHOULD NOT generate it. > > > > If I read RFC 5322: > > body =3D (*(*998text CRLF) *998text) / obs-body > > Isn't the final *998text counting for a line? > I believe the line count is the number of CRLF separators in the = > PLUS ONE. > (Unless I'm mistaken by the definition of the body?) > > > The second part of the paragraph seems unclear. I am under the > impression that RFC 3977 says we can use Lines: in the overview > but USEFOR -- posterior to RFC 3977 -- deprecates that use. > This header field is not used by OVER in RFC 3977. > > Maybe the reference to RFC 3977 should just be removed in the > paragraph. Thus leaving NNTP in general. > From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 17 11:20:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD95C3A69EC for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:20:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.885 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.885 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.001, BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KSpDdjUOxXNV for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADFC3A69C8 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAHJCjlM060121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:12:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAHJCjQM060119; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:12:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 39.mail-out.ovh.net (39.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.138.60]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAHJCddY060110 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:12:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 18154 invoked by uid 503); 17 Nov 2009 19:12:59 -0000 Received: from b9.ovh.net (HELO mail170.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 39.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 19:12:59 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 19:28:41 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-5-91.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.114.4.91) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 19:28:39 -0000 Message-ID: <395FB3114330454FB774962A522F5F77@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" , Subject: Additions to LIST commands Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:12:27 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 17971332838891584953 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.114.4.91 (aaubervilliers-151-1-5-91.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, I have just posted the following proposal for: * LIST DISTRIBUTIONS * LIST MODERATORS * LIST MOTD * LIST SUBSCRIPTIONS * new status for newsgroups returned by LIST ACTIVE Comments are welcome! Especially on: * how to advertise the meaning of new status; * how to write an extension of RFC 3977 without defining a new capability; * how to deal with the fact that RFC 3696 limits the local part of an e-mail address to 64 characters whereas USEAGE mentions that a newsgroup name is limited to 66 characters (therefore, what for the submission address of a moderated newsgroup whose length is 66 characters?). Follow up on either the NNTP mailing-list or the USEFOR mailing-list, depending on the subject you want to tackle. > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) Additions to LIST Command > Author(s) : J. Elie > Filename : draft-elie-nntp-list-additions-00.txt > Pages : 21 > Date : 2009-11-17 > > This document defines a set of enhancements to the Network News > Transfer Protocol (NNTP) that allows a client to request extended > information maintained by NNTP servers as for local use and > distribution policy. These enhancements are made as new keywords to > the existing LIST capability described in RFC 3977. > > This memo updates and formalizes the LIST DISTRIBUTIONS and LIST > SUBSCRIPTIONS commands defined in RFC 2980. 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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 18 04:13:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8523A6B75 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:13:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.795 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.795 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.393, BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mdcdx2z8GWNY for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:13:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566423A6B72 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:13:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAICCBre016733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAICCBfT016732; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net [79.135.125.99]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAICC9rU016725 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:12:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster*pop3^clerew$man$ac&uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4b03e499.1612.172 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:12:09 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nAICC3ZZ009791 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:12:03 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id nAICC3nv009787 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:12:03 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25165 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: RFC 5536 almost there Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:42:36 GMT Lines: 20 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: The changes to the Message-ID, and other matters related to RFC 5322 and a few nit fixes are now incorported. If anyone wants a final quick look for further nits, have a look at http://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc5536-diff.html. Once it has been published, together with RFC 5537, we need to give some thought as to how to publicize it to the Usenet community. Presumably by posting some announcement to the relevant news.admin.* groups. Particular suggestions anyone? -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 18 04:15:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DAF53A6B71 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:15:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.92 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.126, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kziazCKowzyR for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763D23A6B6F for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAICET0h016943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAICET7V016942; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-1.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-1.gradwell.net [79.135.125.40]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAICEQY2016933 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:14:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster*pop3^clerew&man*ac&uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4b03e520.51c5.127 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:14:24 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nAICC3OK009782 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:12:03 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id nAICC2aM009779 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:12:02 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25164 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Lines count in USEFOR Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> <4B027C85.5080306@alvestrand.no> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:37:23 GMT Lines: 31 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <4B027C85.5080306@alvestrand.no> Harald Alvestrand writes: >My memory says that we had an extensive discussion before we landed on >the idea that the line count == the number of CRLFs in the Body. >1) It's unambiguously correct for bodies that end with CRLF and with no >bare CRLF >2) It's clear how to count for bodies that contain bare CR or bare LF >3) It's compatible with at least some existing code for bodies that >don't end in CRLF >I suggest we leave this one alone. Agreed. I have no huge urge to change it. The only possible change wouold be to decree that, contrary to RFC 5322, the final line of the MUST be terminated with a CRLF. That indeed seems to be the universal current practice. Interestingly, the UNIX wc command returns does not regard a final unterminated line as countable (and Cnews at least uses wc). -- Charles H. 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Presumably by > posting some announcement to the relevant news.admin.* groups. Particular > suggestions anyone? Also on the relevant news.software.* groups and other (non-English) newsgroups dealing with Usenet software (in fr.*, de.*, es.*, etc.). Maybe implementing RFC 5536 and 5537 may help to publicize them. Because people may notice "unusual" things like ".POSTED", Injection-Date, Archive, checkgroups serials, etc. and wonder what they are. -- Julien ÉLIE « You say that love is nonsense... I tell you it is no such thing. 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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri Nov 20 11:43:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA693A6975 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:43:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.941 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.941 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.945, BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pKh7EJQdNYC2 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CCF3A696E for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAKJfHFj012052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:41:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAKJfHFS012051; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:41:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 30.mail-out.ovh.net (30.mail-out.ovh.net [213.186.62.213]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAKJfCMw012045 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:41:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 103 invoked by uid 503); 20 Nov 2009 19:41:08 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail630.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 30.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 19:41:08 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 19:41:14 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-5-91.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.114.4.91) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 19:41:12 -0000 Message-ID: <783C9C5AA8A043238D2C7F9508896D61@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Length of the local part of e-mails Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:41:08 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 17354621165807336889 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.114.4.91 (aaubervilliers-151-1-5-91.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, Section 7.2 of USEAGE mentions that a newsgroup name is limited to 66 characters. Section 3 of RFC 3696 mentions that the local part of an e-mail address is limited to 64 characters. Yet, section 3.5.1 of USEPRO has this note: 3.5.1. Forwarding Messages to a Moderator NOTE: Deriving the email address of the moderator of a group is outside the scope of this document. It is worth mentioning, however, that a common method is to use a forwarding service that handles submissions for many moderated groups. For maximum compatibility with existing news servers, such forwarding services generally form the submission address for a moderated group by replacing each "." in the with "-" and then using that value as the of a formed by appending a set domain. Shouldn't a warning be put here? Because the compatibility is not optimum with mailers when a moderated newsgroup contains 65 or 66 characters. 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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sun Nov 22 01:58:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422D93A67B1 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:58:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.668 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.668 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, DATE_IN_PAST_24_48=1.219, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kf5tfhWzKY3G for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662AC3A67A5 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAM9vRYL023287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:57:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAM9vRxN023286; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:57:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAM9vOEO023276 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:57:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDDBF39E1C4; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:57:23 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X8w1k-RUrcn7; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:57:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.245] (162.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.162]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F1F939E1AB; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:57:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B070178.1020201@alvestrand.no> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:52:08 +0100 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= CC: Usefor WG Subject: Re: Length of the local part of e-mails References: <783C9C5AA8A043238D2C7F9508896D61@Iulius> In-Reply-To: <783C9C5AA8A043238D2C7F9508896D61@Iulius> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien ÉLIE wrote: > > Hi, > > Section 7.2 of USEAGE mentions that a newsgroup name is limited to 66 > characters. > Section 3 of RFC 3696 mentions that the local part of an e-mail > address is limited > to 64 characters. RFC 3696 has status "informational". RFC 2822 states: 4.5.3.1 Size limits and minimums There are several objects that have required minimum/maximum sizes. Every implementation MUST be able to receive objects of at least these sizes. Objects larger than these sizes SHOULD be avoided when possible. However, some Internet mail constructs such as encoded X.400 addresses [16] will often require larger objects: clients MAY attempt to transmit these, but MUST be prepared for a server to reject them if they cannot be handled by it. To the maximum extent possible, implementation techniques which impose no limits on the length of these objects should be used. local-part The maximum total length of a user name or other local-part is 64 characters. (fwiw, the maximum length of an X.400 O/R address was on the order of a kilobyte) > > Yet, section 3.5.1 of USEPRO has this note: > > 3.5.1. Forwarding Messages to a Moderator > > NOTE: Deriving the email address of the moderator of a group is > outside > the scope of this document. It is worth mentioning, however, that > a common > method is to use a forwarding service that handles submissions for > many > moderated groups. For maximum compatibility with existing news > servers, > such forwarding services generally form the submission address for > a moderated group by replacing each "." in the > with "-" > and then using that value as the of a formed > by appending a set domain. > > > Shouldn't a warning be put here? Because the compatibility is not > optimum > with mailers when a moderated newsgroup contains 65 or 66 characters. Reality check: How many newsgroups currently exist that have names longer than 64 characters? > > Or will it be handled by USEAGE? > The editing of USEPRO is finished for this generation, so USEAGE is the least unlikely alternative. 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Well, not many... I believe only microsoft.* and novell.* are impacted. And of course alt.* and free.*. So maybe it is worthless worrying about that. Though I still think something should be said somewhere... USEAGE for instance, at least for people to know they should not create such newsgroups. If they become moderated, it would be a problem. microsoft.public.microsoft.transaction.server.administration.security microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie55.outlookexpress.stationery microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.outlookexpress.wishlist microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress.stationery microsoft.public.windows.vista.administration_accounts_passwords novell.support.open-enterprise-server.netware.administration-tools novell.support.zenworks.configuration-management.10.agent-deployment novell.support.zenworks.configuration-management.10.asset-management novell.support.zenworks.configuration-management.10.patch-management novell.support.zenworks.configuration-management.10.remote-management novell.support.zenworks.configuration-management.10.server-install novell.support.zenworks.desktop-management.7x.imaging-server.linux novell.support.zenworks.desktop-management.7x.imaging-server.nw-win + crap in alt.* and free.* -- Julien ÉLIE « Pour défendre une cause, un avocat met sa robe. 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(Moderated) fr.test.m.without.desc (Moderated) I do not believe the last one is valid. And even though USEPRO states that "this unusual format is backward-compatible", I think the last one will be considered as an unmoderated newsgroup whose description is "(Moderated)". Isn't it a problem? Empty descriptions are explicitly allowed by the syntax. But when a newsgroup is moderated, I do not see well how to handle empty descriptions in a backward-compatible way, except if a description is mandatory in that case. Incidentally: 3.10.3. Original-Sender Header Field The content syntax makes use of syntax defined in [RFC5536] and [RFC5322]. header =/ Original-Sender-header Original-Sender-header = "Original-Sender" ":" SP Original-Sender-content Original-Sender-content = mailbox But shouldn't it be, with USEFOR [RFC5536] syntax: fields =/ *Original-Sender-header Original-Sender-header = "Original-Sender" ":" SP Original-Sender-content CRLF Original-Sender-content = mailbox -- Julien ÉLIE « -- Vous ramassez des champignons sans les connaître ? -- Et alors ? 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RFC 5536 Title: Netnews Article Format Author: K. Murchison, Ed., C. Lindsey, D. Kohn Status: Standards Track Date: November 2009 Mailbox: murch@andrew.cmu.edu, chl@clerew.man.ac.uk, dan@dankohn.com Pages: 36 Characters: 71817 Obsoletes: RFC1036 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-usefor-usefor-12.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5536.txt This document specifies the syntax of Netnews articles in the context of the Internet Message Format (RFC 5322) and Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (MIME) (RFC 2045). This document obsoletes RFC 1036, providing an updated specification to reflect current practice and incorporating incremental changes specified in other documents. [STANDARDS TRACK] This document is a product of the Usenet Article Standard Update Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the Internet community,and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the Internet Official Protocol Standards (STD 1) for the standardization state and status of this protocol. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. To subscribe or unsubscribe, see http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-dist For searching the RFC series, see http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcsearch.html. For downloading RFCs, see http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html. Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the author of the RFC in question, or to rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org. Unless specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for unlimited distribution. The RFC Editor Team USC/Information Sciences Institute From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sat Nov 28 21:16:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64B23A6925 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:16:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.931 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.931 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.515, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_93=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H24r+aOyRb2u for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85AA23A68E9 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAT5EnIP027709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:14:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAT5EnoV027708; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:14:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from bosco.isi.edu (bosco.isi.edu [128.9.168.207]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAT5EmLw027701 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:14:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org) Received: by bosco.isi.edu (Postfix, from userid 70) id B8C6837776C; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:09:17 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC 5537 on Netnews Architecture and Protocols From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, ietf-usefor@imc.org Message-Id: <20091129050917.B8C6837776C@bosco.isi.edu> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:09:17 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5537 Title: Netnews Architecture and Protocols Author: R. Allbery, Ed., C. Lindsey Status: Standards Track Date: November 2009 Mailbox: rra@stanford.edu, chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Pages: 48 Characters: 120366 Obsoletes: RFC1036 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-usefor-usepro-14.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5537.txt This document defines the architecture of Netnews systems and specifies the correct manipulation and interpretation of Netnews articles by software that originates, distributes, stores, and displays them. It also specifies the requirements that must be met by any protocol used to transport and serve Netnews articles. [STANDARDS TRACK] This document is a product of the Usenet Article Standard Update Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the Internet community,and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. 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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sun Nov 29 10:48:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023163A657C for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:48:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.685 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.685 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.461, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_24=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UNGeLIle3eUN for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:48:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240583A68C8 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:48:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nATIj68b066488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:45:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nATIj6Xu066487; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:45:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nATIj4qY066479 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:45:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3988139E1AB; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:45:04 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q-tBqn0T04Th; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:44:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from hta-dell.lul.corp.google.com (62-20-124-50.customer.telia.com [62.20.124.50]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B34239E1A3; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:44:58 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B12C12A.9060703@alvestrand.no> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:44:58 +0100 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= CC: Usefor WG Subject: Re: Empty description for moderated newsgroups References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE wrote: > > Hi, > > In USEPRO, we have: > > 4.2. application/news-groupinfo > > newsgroups-line =3D newsgroup-name > [ 1*HTAB newsgroup-description ] > [ *WSP moderation-flag ] > newsgroup-description > =3D eightbit-utext *( *WSP eightbit-utext ) > moderation-flag =3D SP "(" %x4D.6F.64.65.72.61.74.65.64 ")" > ; SPACE + case sensitive "(Moderated)" > eightbit-utext =3D utext / %d127-255 > > > So we can have checkgroups (or newgroup control articles) with: > > fr.test > fr.test.y\tA description. > fr.test.m\tA description. (Moderated) > fr.test.m.without.desc (Moderated) > > I do not believe the last one is valid. And even though USEPRO states > that "this unusual format is backward-compatible", I think the last one= > will be considered as an unmoderated newsgroup whose description is > "(Moderated)". Which software currently acts as if the last one is non-moderated? I can see multiple ways to write a parser for this syntax; some of them=20 will have this problem, other won't. (for instance, if the check for "(Moderated)" is done independently of=20 attempting to extract the description, there will not be a problem) If it's a real problem, we should be able to cite which existing=20 software has it. > > Isn't it a problem? Empty descriptions are explicitly allowed by the > syntax. But when a newsgroup is moderated, I do not see well how > to handle empty descriptions in a backward-compatible way, except > if a description is mandatory in that case. > > > Incidentally: > > 3.10.3. Original-Sender Header Field > > The content syntax makes use of syntax defined in [RFC5536] > and [RFC5322]. > > header =3D/ Original-Sender-header > Original-Sender-header > =3D "Original-Sender" ":" SP > Original-Sender-content > Original-Sender-content > =3D mailbox > > > But shouldn't it be, with USEFOR [RFC5536] syntax: > > fields =3D/ *Original-Sender-header > Original-Sender-header > =3D "Original-Sender" ":" SP > Original-Sender-content CRLF > Original-Sender-content > =3D mailbox > From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sun Nov 29 11:52:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA5B3A69A5 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:52:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.224 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.224 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.322, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_24=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_54=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P0OkOflLVMOi for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1F93A67D1 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nATJoY8i069237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:50:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nATJoYc1069236; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:50:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (42.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.189.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nATJoWLb069230 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 19883 invoked by uid 503); 29 Nov 2009 19:50:37 -0000 Received: from b9.ovh.net (HELO mail416.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2009 19:50:37 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2009 19:50:45 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-48-186.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.114.132.186) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2009 19:50:43 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <4B12C12A.9060703@alvestrand.no> In-Reply-To: <4B12C12A.9060703@alvestrand.no> Subject: Re: Empty description for moderated newsgroups Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:50:23 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 15029356382267047353 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.114.132.186 (aaubervilliers-151-1-48-186.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Harald, >> fr.test >> fr.test.y\tA description. >> fr.test.m\tA description. (Moderated) >> fr.test.m.without.desc (Moderated) >> >> I do not believe the last one is valid. And even though USEPRO states >> that "this unusual format is backward-compatible", I think the last one >> will be considered as an unmoderated newsgroup whose description is >> "(Moderated)". > > Which software currently acts as if the last one is non-moderated? At least INN currently does. Example: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- pouet.test\tTest. (Moderated) pouet.test2 (Moderated) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- If I feed it to controlchan (the program INN uses for checkgroups received from peers), I receive: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- # The following newsgroups are missing and should be added: # # pouet.test # pouet.test2 # # You can add them by executing the command(s): /home/news/bin/ctlinnd newgroup pouet.test2 y /home/news/bin/ctlinnd newgroup pouet.test m # The following newsgroups descriptions are missing and should be added: # # pouet.test2\t(Moderated) # pouet.test\tTest. (Moderated) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Note the tabulations in the descriptions found. > I can see multiple ways to write a parser for this syntax; some of them will have this problem, other won't. > (for instance, if the check for "(Moderated)" is done independently of attempting to extract the description, there will not be a > problem) Yes, I understand. It is possible to fix it in software. INN just splits with: my ($ngname, $ngdesc) = split(/\s+/, $_, 2); before checking for " (Moderated)". Note that USEPRO explicitly mentions " (Moderated)" with a *leading* space. > If it's a real problem, we should be able to cite which existing software has it. The main problem is that RFC 3977 specifies that the format of LIST NEWSGROUPS follows that rule: The newsgroups list is maintained by NNTP servers to contain the name of each newsgroup that is available on the server and a short description about the purpose of the group. Each line of this list consists of two fields separated from each other by one or more space or TAB characters (the usual practice is a single TAB). The first field is the name of the newsgroup, and the second is a short description of the group. ; newsgroups list-content =/ list-newsgroups-content list-newsgroups-content = *(newsgroup-name WS newsgroup-description CRLF) newsgroup-description = S-TEXT WS = 1*(SP / TAB) S-TEXT = U-TEXT U-TEXT = P-CHAR *U-CHAR P-CHAR = A-CHAR / UTF8-non-ascii A-CHAR = %x21-7E U-CHAR = CTRL / TAB / SP / A-CHAR / UTF8-non-ascii Leading spaces are only separators. Therefore, the description is "(Moderated)". Not " (Moderated)". Here, USEPRO adds a requirement to parse differently such lines. A checkgroups was not supposed to have a different format than the newsgroups file... Also have a look at Son-of-1036: checkgroups-body = [ invalidation ] valid-groups / invalidation invalidation = "!" plain-component *( "," plain-component ) eol valid-groups = 1*( description-line eol ) description-line = newsgroup-name space description description = nonblank-text [ " (Moderated)" ] In fact, it looks as though newsgroups were required to have a description. It is no longer the case with USEPRO: newsgroups-line = newsgroup-name [ 1*HTAB newsgroup-description ] [ *WSP moderation-flag ] Note that I'm fine with that. I just wanted to warn that it may cause problems with existing software. Parsing is different and, when writing the newsgroups file, it requires to add "No description.", as it is for instance done on : ab.arnet\tNo description. (Moderated) Not easy for implementors not to walk into the trap! As far as I am concerned, I will try to cope with that it in the next release of INN. -- Julien ÉLIE « Audentes fortunat iuvat. » (Virgile) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sun Nov 29 12:08:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9173A69BE for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:08:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.884 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.884 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.862, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SCa3KJhRebTA for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:08:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2AAE3A67D1 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:08:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nATK7UJx069891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:07:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nATK7Ub4069890; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:07:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (42.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.189.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nATK7TRm069883 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:07:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 21009 invoked by uid 503); 29 Nov 2009 20:07:35 -0000 Received: from b9.ovh.net (HELO mail416.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2009 20:07:34 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2009 20:07:41 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-48-186.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.114.132.186) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2009 20:07:40 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <4B12C12A.9060703@alvestrand.no> In-Reply-To: <4B12C12A.9060703@alvestrand.no> Subject: Re: Empty description for moderated newsgroups Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:07:18 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 15315616432989666745 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.114.132.186 (aaubervilliers-151-1-48-186.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Harald, > newsgroups-line = newsgroup-name > [ 1*HTAB newsgroup-description ] > [ *WSP moderation-flag ] By the way, hopefully nobody is currently sending checkgroups with SP instead of HTAB... 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Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nATK7UJx069891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:07:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nATK7Ub4069890; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:07:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (42.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.189.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nATK7TRm069883 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:07:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 21009 invoked by uid 503); 29 Nov 2009 20:07:35 -0000 Received: from b9.ovh.net (HELO mail416.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2009 20:07:34 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2009 20:07:41 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-48-186.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.114.132.186) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2009 20:07:40 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <4B12C12A.9060703@alvestrand.no> In-Reply-To: <4B12C12A.9060703@alvestrand.no> Subject: Re: Empty description for moderated newsgroups Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:07:18 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 15315616432989666745 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.114.132.186 (aaubervilliers-151-1-48-186.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Harald, > newsgroups-line = newsgroup-name > [ 1*HTAB newsgroup-description ] > [ *WSP moderation-flag ] By the way, hopefully nobody is currently sending checkgroups with SP instead of HTAB... SP was allowed by Son-of-1036. In April 2009, us.* checkgroups were using spaces. It was not a long time ago... Peter J Ross noticed that: http://groups.google.fr/group/us.config/browse_frm/thread/7a889db82a65a9bd (Note there were no INN bugs -- see messages #2 and confirmation in #3.) -- Julien ÉLIE « Audentes fortunat iuvat. » (Virgile) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nATJoY8i069237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:50:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nATJoYc1069236; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:50:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (42.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.189.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nATJoWLb069230 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 19883 invoked by uid 503); 29 Nov 2009 19:50:37 -0000 Received: from b9.ovh.net (HELO mail416.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2009 19:50:37 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2009 19:50:45 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-48-186.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.114.132.186) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2009 19:50:43 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <4B12C12A.9060703@alvestrand.no> In-Reply-To: <4B12C12A.9060703@alvestrand.no> Subject: Re: Empty description for moderated newsgroups Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:50:23 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 15029356382267047353 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.114.132.186 (aaubervilliers-151-1-48-186.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Harald, >> fr.test >> fr.test.y\tA description. >> fr.test.m\tA description. (Moderated) >> fr.test.m.without.desc (Moderated) >> >> I do not believe the last one is valid. And even though USEPRO states >> that "this unusual format is backward-compatible", I think the last one >> will be considered as an unmoderated newsgroup whose description is >> "(Moderated)". > > Which software currently acts as if the last one is non-moderated? At least INN currently does. Example: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- pouet.test\tTest. (Moderated) pouet.test2 (Moderated) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- If I feed it to controlchan (the program INN uses for checkgroups received from peers), I receive: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- # The following newsgroups are missing and should be added: # # pouet.test # pouet.test2 # # You can add them by executing the command(s): /home/news/bin/ctlinnd newgroup pouet.test2 y /home/news/bin/ctlinnd newgroup pouet.test m # The following newsgroups descriptions are missing and should be added: # # pouet.test2\t(Moderated) # pouet.test\tTest. (Moderated) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Note the tabulations in the descriptions found. > I can see multiple ways to write a parser for this syntax; some of them will have this problem, other won't. > (for instance, if the check for "(Moderated)" is done independently of attempting to extract the description, there will not be a > problem) Yes, I understand. It is possible to fix it in software. INN just splits with: my ($ngname, $ngdesc) = split(/\s+/, $_, 2); before checking for " (Moderated)". Note that USEPRO explicitly mentions " (Moderated)" with a *leading* space. > If it's a real problem, we should be able to cite which existing software has it. The main problem is that RFC 3977 specifies that the format of LIST NEWSGROUPS follows that rule: The newsgroups list is maintained by NNTP servers to contain the name of each newsgroup that is available on the server and a short description about the purpose of the group. Each line of this list consists of two fields separated from each other by one or more space or TAB characters (the usual practice is a single TAB). The first field is the name of the newsgroup, and the second is a short description of the group. ; newsgroups list-content =/ list-newsgroups-content list-newsgroups-content = *(newsgroup-name WS newsgroup-description CRLF) newsgroup-description = S-TEXT WS = 1*(SP / TAB) S-TEXT = U-TEXT U-TEXT = P-CHAR *U-CHAR P-CHAR = A-CHAR / UTF8-non-ascii A-CHAR = %x21-7E U-CHAR = CTRL / TAB / SP / A-CHAR / UTF8-non-ascii Leading spaces are only separators. Therefore, the description is "(Moderated)". Not " (Moderated)". Here, USEPRO adds a requirement to parse differently such lines. A checkgroups was not supposed to have a different format than the newsgroups file... Also have a look at Son-of-1036: checkgroups-body = [ invalidation ] valid-groups / invalidation invalidation = "!" plain-component *( "," plain-component ) eol valid-groups = 1*( description-line eol ) description-line = newsgroup-name space description description = nonblank-text [ " (Moderated)" ] In fact, it looks as though newsgroups were required to have a description. It is no longer the case with USEPRO: newsgroups-line = newsgroup-name [ 1*HTAB newsgroup-description ] [ *WSP moderation-flag ] Note that I'm fine with that. I just wanted to warn that it may cause problems with existing software. Parsing is different and, when writing the newsgroups file, it requires to add "No description.", as it is for instance done on : ab.arnet\tNo description. (Moderated) Not easy for implementors not to walk into the trap! As far as I am concerned, I will try to cope with that it in the next release of INN. -- Julien ÉLIE « Audentes fortunat iuvat. » (Virgile) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nATIj68b066488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:45:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nATIj6Xu066487; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:45:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nATIj4qY066479 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:45:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3988139E1AB; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:45:04 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q-tBqn0T04Th; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:44:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from hta-dell.lul.corp.google.com (62-20-124-50.customer.telia.com [62.20.124.50]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B34239E1A3; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:44:58 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B12C12A.9060703@alvestrand.no> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:44:58 +0100 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= CC: Usefor WG Subject: Re: Empty description for moderated newsgroups References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE wrote: > > Hi, > > In USEPRO, we have: > > 4.2. application/news-groupinfo > > newsgroups-line =3D newsgroup-name > [ 1*HTAB newsgroup-description ] > [ *WSP moderation-flag ] > newsgroup-description > =3D eightbit-utext *( *WSP eightbit-utext ) > moderation-flag =3D SP "(" %x4D.6F.64.65.72.61.74.65.64 ")" > ; SPACE + case sensitive "(Moderated)" > eightbit-utext =3D utext / %d127-255 > > > So we can have checkgroups (or newgroup control articles) with: > > fr.test > fr.test.y\tA description. > fr.test.m\tA description. (Moderated) > fr.test.m.without.desc (Moderated) > > I do not believe the last one is valid. And even though USEPRO states > that "this unusual format is backward-compatible", I think the last one= > will be considered as an unmoderated newsgroup whose description is > "(Moderated)". Which software currently acts as if the last one is non-moderated? I can see multiple ways to write a parser for this syntax; some of them=20 will have this problem, other won't. (for instance, if the check for "(Moderated)" is done independently of=20 attempting to extract the description, there will not be a problem) If it's a real problem, we should be able to cite which existing=20 software has it. > > Isn't it a problem? Empty descriptions are explicitly allowed by the > syntax. But when a newsgroup is moderated, I do not see well how > to handle empty descriptions in a backward-compatible way, except > if a description is mandatory in that case. > > > Incidentally: > > 3.10.3. Original-Sender Header Field > > The content syntax makes use of syntax defined in [RFC5536] > and [RFC5322]. > > header =3D/ Original-Sender-header > Original-Sender-header > =3D "Original-Sender" ":" SP > Original-Sender-content > Original-Sender-content > =3D mailbox > > > But shouldn't it be, with USEFOR [RFC5536] syntax: > > fields =3D/ *Original-Sender-header > Original-Sender-header > =3D "Original-Sender" ":" SP > Original-Sender-content CRLF > Original-Sender-content > =3D mailbox > Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAT5EnIP027709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:14:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAT5EnoV027708; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:14:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from bosco.isi.edu (bosco.isi.edu [128.9.168.207]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAT5EmLw027701 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:14:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org) Received: by bosco.isi.edu (Postfix, from userid 70) id B8C6837776C; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:09:17 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC 5537 on Netnews Architecture and Protocols From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, ietf-usefor@imc.org Message-Id: <20091129050917.B8C6837776C@bosco.isi.edu> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:09:17 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5537 Title: Netnews Architecture and Protocols Author: R. Allbery, Ed., C. Lindsey Status: Standards Track Date: November 2009 Mailbox: rra@stanford.edu, chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Pages: 48 Characters: 120366 Obsoletes: RFC1036 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-usefor-usepro-14.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5537.txt This document defines the architecture of Netnews systems and specifies the correct manipulation and interpretation of Netnews articles by software that originates, distributes, stores, and displays them. It also specifies the requirements that must be met by any protocol used to transport and serve Netnews articles. [STANDARDS TRACK] This document is a product of the Usenet Article Standard Update Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the Internet community,and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. 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The RFC Editor Team USC/Information Sciences Institute Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAT5EPu7027680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:14:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAT5EPEr027679; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:14:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from bosco.isi.edu (bosco.isi.edu [128.9.168.207]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAT5EMW8027670 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:14:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org) Received: by bosco.isi.edu (Postfix, from userid 70) id CF9E237776A; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:08:50 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC 5536 on Netnews Article Format From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, ietf-usefor@imc.org Message-Id: <20091129050850.CF9E237776A@bosco.isi.edu> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:08:50 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5536 Title: Netnews Article Format Author: K. Murchison, Ed., C. Lindsey, D. Kohn Status: Standards Track Date: November 2009 Mailbox: murch@andrew.cmu.edu, chl@clerew.man.ac.uk, dan@dankohn.com Pages: 36 Characters: 71817 Obsoletes: RFC1036 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-usefor-usefor-12.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5536.txt This document specifies the syntax of Netnews articles in the context of the Internet Message Format (RFC 5322) and Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (MIME) (RFC 2045). This document obsoletes RFC 1036, providing an updated specification to reflect current practice and incorporating incremental changes specified in other documents. [STANDARDS TRACK] This document is a product of the Usenet Article Standard Update Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the Internet community,and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. 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The RFC Editor Team USC/Information Sciences Institute Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nARLaCbR041462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:36:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nARLaC58041461; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:36:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nARLa8RT041453 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:36:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 6646 invoked by uid 503); 27 Nov 2009 22:08:35 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail172.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 Nov 2009 22:08:35 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 Nov 2009 21:47:23 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-48-186.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.114.132.186) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 Nov 2009 21:47:20 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Empty description for moderated newsgroups Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:36:04 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 5253448966536101305 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.114.132.186 (aaubervilliers-151-1-48-186.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, In USEPRO, we have: 4.2. application/news-groupinfo newsgroups-line = newsgroup-name [ 1*HTAB newsgroup-description ] [ *WSP moderation-flag ] newsgroup-description = eightbit-utext *( *WSP eightbit-utext ) moderation-flag = SP "(" %x4D.6F.64.65.72.61.74.65.64 ")" ; SPACE + case sensitive "(Moderated)" eightbit-utext = utext / %d127-255 So we can have checkgroups (or newgroup control articles) with: fr.test fr.test.y\tA description. fr.test.m\tA description. (Moderated) fr.test.m.without.desc (Moderated) I do not believe the last one is valid. And even though USEPRO states that "this unusual format is backward-compatible", I think the last one will be considered as an unmoderated newsgroup whose description is "(Moderated)". Isn't it a problem? Empty descriptions are explicitly allowed by the syntax. But when a newsgroup is moderated, I do not see well how to handle empty descriptions in a backward-compatible way, except if a description is mandatory in that case. Incidentally: 3.10.3. Original-Sender Header Field The content syntax makes use of syntax defined in [RFC5536] and [RFC5322]. header =/ Original-Sender-header Original-Sender-header = "Original-Sender" ":" SP Original-Sender-content Original-Sender-content = mailbox But shouldn't it be, with USEFOR [RFC5536] syntax: fields =/ *Original-Sender-header Original-Sender-header = "Original-Sender" ":" SP Original-Sender-content CRLF Original-Sender-content = mailbox -- Julien ÉLIE « -- Vous ramassez des champignons sans les connaître ? -- Et alors ? 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It seems that the RFC-Editor has been unable to contact him by email regarding the AUTH48 of RFC 5538 (the News/Nntp URI). He has vanished from this List, on which he used to be a prolific contributor, and his Blog has not been updated since August 2008. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAMJ66mt051455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:06:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAMJ66hG051454; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:06:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (42.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.189.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAMJ5vA6051442 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:06:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 28553 invoked by uid 503); 22 Nov 2009 19:06:02 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail421.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 22 Nov 2009 19:06:01 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 22 Nov 2009 19:06:45 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-5-91.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.114.4.91) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 22 Nov 2009 19:06:43 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <783C9C5AA8A043238D2C7F9508896D61@Iulius> <4B070178.1020201@alvestrand.no> In-Reply-To: <4B070178.1020201@alvestrand.no> Subject: Re: Length of the local part of e-mails Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:05:50 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 10070893192438087097 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.114.4.91 (aaubervilliers-151-1-5-91.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Harald, > Reality check: How many newsgroups currently exist that have names longer than 64 characters? Well, not many... I believe only microsoft.* and novell.* are impacted. And of course alt.* and free.*. So maybe it is worthless worrying about that. Though I still think something should be said somewhere... USEAGE for instance, at least for people to know they should not create such newsgroups. If they become moderated, it would be a problem. microsoft.public.microsoft.transaction.server.administration.security microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie55.outlookexpress.stationery microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.outlookexpress.wishlist microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress.stationery microsoft.public.windows.vista.administration_accounts_passwords novell.support.open-enterprise-server.netware.administration-tools novell.support.zenworks.configuration-management.10.agent-deployment novell.support.zenworks.configuration-management.10.asset-management novell.support.zenworks.configuration-management.10.patch-management novell.support.zenworks.configuration-management.10.remote-management novell.support.zenworks.configuration-management.10.server-install novell.support.zenworks.desktop-management.7x.imaging-server.linux novell.support.zenworks.desktop-management.7x.imaging-server.nw-win + crap in alt.* and free.* -- Julien ÉLIE « Pour défendre une cause, un avocat met sa robe. Une femme... l'enlève. » Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAM9vRYL023287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:57:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAM9vRxN023286; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:57:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAM9vOEO023276 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:57:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDDBF39E1C4; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:57:23 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X8w1k-RUrcn7; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:57:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.245] (162.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.162]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F1F939E1AB; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:57:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B070178.1020201@alvestrand.no> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:52:08 +0100 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= CC: Usefor WG Subject: Re: Length of the local part of e-mails References: <783C9C5AA8A043238D2C7F9508896D61@Iulius> In-Reply-To: <783C9C5AA8A043238D2C7F9508896D61@Iulius> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien ÉLIE wrote: > > Hi, > > Section 7.2 of USEAGE mentions that a newsgroup name is limited to 66 > characters. > Section 3 of RFC 3696 mentions that the local part of an e-mail > address is limited > to 64 characters. RFC 3696 has status "informational". RFC 2822 states: 4.5.3.1 Size limits and minimums There are several objects that have required minimum/maximum sizes. Every implementation MUST be able to receive objects of at least these sizes. Objects larger than these sizes SHOULD be avoided when possible. However, some Internet mail constructs such as encoded X.400 addresses [16] will often require larger objects: clients MAY attempt to transmit these, but MUST be prepared for a server to reject them if they cannot be handled by it. To the maximum extent possible, implementation techniques which impose no limits on the length of these objects should be used. local-part The maximum total length of a user name or other local-part is 64 characters. (fwiw, the maximum length of an X.400 O/R address was on the order of a kilobyte) > > Yet, section 3.5.1 of USEPRO has this note: > > 3.5.1. Forwarding Messages to a Moderator > > NOTE: Deriving the email address of the moderator of a group is > outside > the scope of this document. It is worth mentioning, however, that > a common > method is to use a forwarding service that handles submissions for > many > moderated groups. For maximum compatibility with existing news > servers, > such forwarding services generally form the submission address for > a moderated group by replacing each "." in the > with "-" > and then using that value as the of a formed > by appending a set domain. > > > Shouldn't a warning be put here? Because the compatibility is not > optimum > with mailers when a moderated newsgroup contains 65 or 66 characters. Reality check: How many newsgroups currently exist that have names longer than 64 characters? > > Or will it be handled by USEAGE? > The editing of USEPRO is finished for this generation, so USEAGE is the least unlikely alternative. Harald Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAKJfHFj012052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:41:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAKJfHFS012051; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:41:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 30.mail-out.ovh.net (30.mail-out.ovh.net [213.186.62.213]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAKJfCMw012045 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:41:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 103 invoked by uid 503); 20 Nov 2009 19:41:08 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail630.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 30.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 19:41:08 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 19:41:14 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-5-91.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.114.4.91) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 19:41:12 -0000 Message-ID: <783C9C5AA8A043238D2C7F9508896D61@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Length of the local part of e-mails Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:41:08 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 17354621165807336889 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.114.4.91 (aaubervilliers-151-1-5-91.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, Section 7.2 of USEAGE mentions that a newsgroup name is limited to 66 characters. Section 3 of RFC 3696 mentions that the local part of an e-mail address is limited to 64 characters. Yet, section 3.5.1 of USEPRO has this note: 3.5.1. Forwarding Messages to a Moderator NOTE: Deriving the email address of the moderator of a group is outside the scope of this document. It is worth mentioning, however, that a common method is to use a forwarding service that handles submissions for many moderated groups. For maximum compatibility with existing news servers, such forwarding services generally form the submission address for a moderated group by replacing each "." in the with "-" and then using that value as the of a formed by appending a set domain. Shouldn't a warning be put here? Because the compatibility is not optimum with mailers when a moderated newsgroup contains 65 or 66 characters. Or will it be handled by USEAGE? -- Julien ÉLIE « -- Il est parti comme il est venu... -- Il ne faisait que passer... » (Astérix) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAIJdkpS046822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:39:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAIJdkds046821; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:39:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAIJdfZ3046812 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:39:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 15427 invoked by uid 503); 18 Nov 2009 20:05:19 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail612.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2009 20:05:19 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2009 19:40:39 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-5-91.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.114.4.91) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2009 19:40:37 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: RFC 5536 almost there Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:39:30 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 5599381711815310777 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.114.4.91 (aaubervilliers-151-1-5-91.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, > Once it has been published, together with RFC 5537, we need to give some > thought as to how to publicize it to the Usenet community. Presumably by > posting some announcement to the relevant news.admin.* groups. Particular > suggestions anyone? Also on the relevant news.software.* groups and other (non-English) newsgroups dealing with Usenet software (in fr.*, de.*, es.*, etc.). Maybe implementing RFC 5536 and 5537 may help to publicize them. Because people may notice "unusual" things like ".POSTED", Injection-Date, Archive, checkgroups serials, etc. and wonder what they are. -- Julien ÉLIE « You say that love is nonsense... I tell you it is no such thing. For weeks and months it is a steady physical pain, an ache about the heart, never leaving one, by night or by day; a long strain on one's nerves like toothache or rheumatism, not intolerable at any one instant, but exhausting by its steady drain on the strength. » (Henry Adams) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAICET0h016943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAICET7V016942; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-1.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-1.gradwell.net [79.135.125.40]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAICEQY2016933 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:14:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster*pop3^clerew&man*ac&uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4b03e520.51c5.127 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:14:24 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nAICC3OK009782 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:12:03 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id nAICC2aM009779 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:12:02 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25164 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Lines count in USEFOR Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> <4B027C85.5080306@alvestrand.no> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:37:23 GMT Lines: 31 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <4B027C85.5080306@alvestrand.no> Harald Alvestrand writes: >My memory says that we had an extensive discussion before we landed on >the idea that the line count == the number of CRLFs in the Body. >1) It's unambiguously correct for bodies that end with CRLF and with no >bare CRLF >2) It's clear how to count for bodies that contain bare CR or bare LF >3) It's compatible with at least some existing code for bodies that >don't end in CRLF >I suggest we leave this one alone. Agreed. I have no huge urge to change it. The only possible change wouold be to decree that, contrary to RFC 5322, the final line of the MUST be terminated with a CRLF. That indeed seems to be the universal current practice. Interestingly, the UNIX wc command returns does not regard a final unterminated line as countable (and Cnews at least uses wc). -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAICCBre016733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAICCBfT016732; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net [79.135.125.99]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAICC9rU016725 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:12:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster*pop3^clerew$man$ac&uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4b03e499.1612.172 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:12:09 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nAICC3ZZ009791 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:12:03 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id nAICC3nv009787 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:12:03 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25165 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: RFC 5536 almost there Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:42:36 GMT Lines: 20 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: The changes to the Message-ID, and other matters related to RFC 5322 and a few nit fixes are now incorported. If anyone wants a final quick look for further nits, have a look at http://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc5536-diff.html. Once it has been published, together with RFC 5537, we need to give some thought as to how to publicize it to the Usenet community. Presumably by posting some announcement to the relevant news.admin.* groups. Particular suggestions anyone? -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAHJCjlM060121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:12:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAHJCjQM060119; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:12:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 39.mail-out.ovh.net (39.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.138.60]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAHJCddY060110 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:12:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 18154 invoked by uid 503); 17 Nov 2009 19:12:59 -0000 Received: from b9.ovh.net (HELO mail170.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 39.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 19:12:59 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 19:28:41 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-5-91.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.114.4.91) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 19:28:39 -0000 Message-ID: <395FB3114330454FB774962A522F5F77@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" , Subject: Additions to LIST commands Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:12:27 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 17971332838891584953 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.114.4.91 (aaubervilliers-151-1-5-91.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, I have just posted the following proposal for: * LIST DISTRIBUTIONS * LIST MODERATORS * LIST MOTD * LIST SUBSCRIPTIONS * new status for newsgroups returned by LIST ACTIVE Comments are welcome! Especially on: * how to advertise the meaning of new status; * how to write an extension of RFC 3977 without defining a new capability; * how to deal with the fact that RFC 3696 limits the local part of an e-mail address to 64 characters whereas USEAGE mentions that a newsgroup name is limited to 66 characters (therefore, what for the submission address of a moderated newsgroup whose length is 66 characters?). Follow up on either the NNTP mailing-list or the USEFOR mailing-list, depending on the subject you want to tackle. > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) Additions to LIST Command > Author(s) : J. Elie > Filename : draft-elie-nntp-list-additions-00.txt > Pages : 21 > Date : 2009-11-17 > > This document defines a set of enhancements to the Network News > Transfer Protocol (NNTP) that allows a client to request extended > information maintained by NNTP servers as for local use and > distribution policy. These enhancements are made as new keywords to > the existing LIST capability described in RFC 3977. > > This memo updates and formalizes the LIST DISTRIBUTIONS and LIST > SUBSCRIPTIONS commands defined in RFC 2980. It also adds the LIST > MODERATORS and LIST MOTD commands, and specifies additional values > returned by the existing LIST ACTIVE command for the status of a > newsgroup. > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-elie-nntp-list-additions-00.txt -- Julien ÉLIE « Un seul être vous manque et tout est dépeuplé. » (Alphonse de Lamartine) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAHAZvKA025247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:35:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAHAZvC1025246; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:35:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAHAZtgP025240 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:35:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234D539E1B3; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:35:55 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u2OmdjF8ercZ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:35:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from hta-dell.lul.corp.google.com (62-20-124-50.customer.telia.com [62.20.124.50]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87B5439E173; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:35:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B027C85.5080306@alvestrand.no> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:35:49 +0100 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= CC: Usefor WG Subject: Re: Lines count in USEFOR References: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> In-Reply-To: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: My memory says that we had an extensive discussion before we landed on=20 the idea that the line count =3D=3D the number of CRLFs in the Body. 1) It's unambiguously correct for bodies that end with CRLF and with no=20 bare CRLF 2) It's clear how to count for bodies that contain bare CR or bare LF 3) It's compatible with at least some existing code for bodies that=20 don't end in CRLF I suggest we leave this one alone. Julien =C9LIE wrote: > > Hi, > > According to USEFOR: > > > 3.3.1. Lines > > The Lines header field indicates the number of lines in the > (as defined in [RFC5322]) of the article. > > lines =3D "Lines:" SP *WSP 1*DIGIT *WSP CRLF > > The line count is the number of CRLF separators in the . > > Historically, this header field was used by the NNTP [RFC3977] > overview facility, but its use for this purpose is now deprecated. > As a result, this header field is to be regarded as obsolescent, and > it is likely to be removed entirely in a future version of this > standard. All agents SHOULD ignore it and SHOULD NOT generate it. > > > > If I read RFC 5322: > > body =3D (*(*998text CRLF) *998text) / obs-body > > Isn't the final *998text counting for a line? > I believe the line count is the number of CRLF separators in the = > PLUS ONE. > (Unless I'm mistaken by the definition of the body?) > > > The second part of the paragraph seems unclear. I am under the > impression that RFC 3977 says we can use Lines: in the overview > but USEFOR -- posterior to RFC 3977 -- deprecates that use. > This header field is not used by OVER in RFC 3977. > > Maybe the reference to RFC 3977 should just be removed in the > paragraph. Thus leaving NNTP in general. > Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAGIFblP067949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:15:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAGIFb2S067948; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:15:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 2.mail-out.ovh.net (2.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.26.226]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAGIFZo3067933 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:15:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 10491 invoked by uid 503); 16 Nov 2009 19:04:24 -0000 Received: from b9.ovh.net (HELO mail605.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 2.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 19:04:24 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 18:16:09 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-40-10.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.151.10) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 18:16:07 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> <87k4xu7zx7.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Lines count in USEFOR Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:15:25 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 10873659826073501113 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.151.10 (aaubervilliers-151-1-40-10.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, >>> If I read RFC 5322: > >>> body = (*(*998text CRLF) *998text) / obs-body > >>> Isn't the final *998text counting for a line? >>> I believe the line count is the number of CRLF separators in the >>> PLUS ONE. >>> (Unless I'm mistaken by the definition of the body?) > >>NNTP as presently written cannot transfer an article that does not end in >>a CRLF. In practice, clients will just add a CRLF to any article that >>doesn't already end in one, since otherwise they can't POST. > > Then I suspect USEFOR ought to have said that the CRLF at the end was > REQUIRED. It is REQUIRED if you use NNTP commands defined in RFC 3977 and 4644 (for streaming). One cannot post or transmit an article without a final CRLF; one sees a final CRLF when it retrieves the body. But if NNTP extensions defines others commands (like the possibility to send a gzipped article, and to also retrieve it gzipped, it may not be necessary to have a final CRLF -- though if transmitted or retrieved with usual NNTP commands, a final CRLF will need to be added...). > And what if you send it by UUCP? I have just tested a batch processed by rnews (indicating the size in bytes of the article to process): a) #! rnews 2129 b) #! rnews 2127 The result is that a final CRLF is always *added by the posting agent*. a) ARTICLE end of article . b) ARTICLE end of artic . -- Julien ÉLIE « Nemo auditur turpitudinem allegans. » Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAGHCEY5063972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAGHCEa8063971; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net [79.135.125.99]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAGHCCA4063963 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster*pop3*clerew*man*ac$uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4b0187eb.541f.26e for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:12:11 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nAGHC6SD019617 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:12:06 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id nAGHC54l019609 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:12:05 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25161 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Lines count in USEFOR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> <87k4xu7zx7.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:45:46 GMT Lines: 50 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <87k4xu7zx7.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Russ Allbery writes: >Julien ÉLIE writes: >> If I read RFC 5322: >> body = (*(*998text CRLF) *998text) / obs-body >> Isn't the final *998text counting for a line? >> I believe the line count is the number of CRLF separators in the >> PLUS ONE. >> (Unless I'm mistaken by the definition of the body?) >NNTP as presently written cannot transfer an article that does not end in >a CRLF. In practice, clients will just add a CRLF to any article that >doesn't already end in one, since otherwise they can't POST. Then I suspect USEFOR ought to have said that the CRLF at the end was REQUIRED. Do we really want to fix that now? And what if you send it by UUCP? The definition in Son-of-1036 is The line count includes all body lines, including the signature if any, including empty lines (if any) at beginning or end of the body. (The single empty separator line between the headers and the body is not part of the body.) The "body" here is the body as found in the posted article, AFTER all transformations such as MIME encodings. which doew not really answer the question. But then a final was REQUIRED by Son-of-1036. Looking at the implementation of Cnews, if you contrive to inject a body with no CRLF (which most user agents would not permit), the injection process will add a CRLF. But I suspect that I have also hacked a bug into my cnews, because if you check the Lines header on this message, I have a suspicion you will find it has counted my signature twice :-( . -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAE0jIkr050614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:45:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAE0jIgU050613; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:45:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (smtp4.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.84]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAE0jG5H050604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 15B03CB7E for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:45:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E456CB40 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:45:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 874E725687; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:45:15 -0800 (PST) From: Russ Allbery To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Lines count in USEFOR In-Reply-To: <93BBFC6D11974DDF8021CBE9C2AA3907@Iulius> ("Julien =?utf-8?Q?=C3=89LIE=22's?= message of "Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:37:10 +0100") Organization: The Eyrie References: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> <87k4xu7zx7.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <93BBFC6D11974DDF8021CBE9C2AA3907@Iulius> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:45:15 -0800 Message-ID: <87my2q6ijo.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C3=89LIE writes: > Ah yes, that final CRLF is not added by me but by my posting agent. > The Lines header field indicates the number of lines in the > (as defined in [RFC5322]) of the article. > body =3D (*(*998text CRLF) *998text) / obs-body > Then USEFOR uses a subset of the e-mail body. And the definition of > the Lines: header is right for that subset but wrong in the general case > (which may be possible in an NNTP extension). Yeah, I'd say that's correct. In practice, the value of Lines varies so much (it's common for user agents to set it prior to adding the signature file, for instance) that being off by a line is minor compared to other problems. > The impression I said I had was when I read "Historically, this header > field was used by the NNTP [RFC3977] overview facility, but its use for > this purpose is now deprecated.". > It looked to me, when reading that sentence, that this header could > still be stored in the overview defined by RFC 3977. Which is not the > case in OVER answers. > As you explained, the sentence hints at LIST OVERVIEW.FMT. > Yet, something seems to be wrong: "this header field"? Shouldn't it > be "this header name"? Because the value is never used. The value *used* to be used. Old versions of INN, for instance, would copy the Lines header into the overview rather than doing their own count and would only do their own count if there were no existing Lines header. That's the behavior that USEFOR is saying is deprecated. It's actually more than that; RFC 3977 outright forbids it. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAE0bEK9050207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:37:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAE0bECF050206; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:37:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 2.mail-out.ovh.net (2.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.26.226]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAE0bCMj050198 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:37:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 20082 invoked by uid 503); 14 Nov 2009 01:24:05 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail408.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 2.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2009 01:24:05 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2009 00:37:55 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-40-10.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.151.10) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2009 00:37:54 -0000 Message-ID: <93BBFC6D11974DDF8021CBE9C2AA3907@Iulius> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=C3=89LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> <87k4xu7zx7.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <87k4xu7zx7.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: Lines count in USEFOR Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:37:10 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 18150069448314191289 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.151.10 (aaubervilliers-151-1-40-10.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Russ, > NNTP as presently written cannot transfer an article that does not end in > a CRLF. In practice, clients will just add a CRLF to any article that > doesn't already end in one, since otherwise they can't POST. Ah yes, that final CRLF is not added by me but by my posting agent. The Lines header field indicates the number of lines in the (as defined in [RFC5322]) of the article. body = (*(*998text CRLF) *998text) / obs-body Then USEFOR uses a subset of the e-mail body. And the definition of the Lines: header is right for that subset but wrong in the general case (which may be possible in an NNTP extension). >> The second part of the paragraph seems unclear. I am under the >> impression that RFC 3977 says we can use Lines: in the overview but >> USEFOR -- posterior to RFC 3977 -- deprecates that use. This header >> field is not used by OVER in RFC 3977. > > RFC 3977 says that you can *call* the :lines metadata element Lines:, but > it's still the metadata element. Per RFC 3977, the Lines header is no > longer used to provide the basic overview information. I think that's > what's referred to here. The impression I said I had was when I read "Historically, this header field was used by the NNTP [RFC3977] overview facility, but its use for this purpose is now deprecated.". It looked to me, when reading that sentence, that this header could still be stored in the overview defined by RFC 3977. Which is not the case in OVER answers. As you explained, the sentence hints at LIST OVERVIEW.FMT. Yet, something seems to be wrong: "this header field"? Shouldn't it be "this header name"? Because the value is never used. (Otherwise, its use for this purpose cannot be "deprecated" because we can no longer retrieve the value -- it would be an unsupported feature, which is different than deprecated.) -- Julien ÉLIE « There's a way of transferring funds that is even faster than electronic banking. It's called marriage. » (Sam Kinison) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nADNicZa047831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nADNicgV047830; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nADNibB4047823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id B5FFA1709ED for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:44:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A39C17097D for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:44:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3167B25687; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:44:36 -0800 (PST) From: Russ Allbery To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Lines count in USEFOR In-Reply-To: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> ("Julien =?utf-8?Q?=C3=89LIE=22's?= message of "Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:34:40 +0100") Organization: The Eyrie References: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:44:36 -0800 Message-ID: <87k4xu7zx7.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C3=89LIE writes: > If I read RFC 5322: > body =3D (*(*998text CRLF) *998text) / obs-body > Isn't the final *998text counting for a line? > I believe the line count is the number of CRLF separators in the > PLUS ONE. > (Unless I'm mistaken by the definition of the body?) NNTP as presently written cannot transfer an article that does not end in a CRLF. In practice, clients will just add a CRLF to any article that doesn't already end in one, since otherwise they can't POST. By the time we introduce some method of transfer that can handle arbitrary data and therefore doesn't have this problem, I suspect the Lines header will be completely obsolete. > The second part of the paragraph seems unclear. I am under the > impression that RFC 3977 says we can use Lines: in the overview but > USEFOR -- posterior to RFC 3977 -- deprecates that use. This header > field is not used by OVER in RFC 3977. RFC 3977 says that you can *call* the :lines metadata element Lines:, but it's still the metadata element. Per RFC 3977, the Lines header is no longer used to provide the basic overview information. I think that's what's referred to here. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nADNYkCH047351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:34:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nADNYkGW047350; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:34:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 2.mail-out.ovh.net (2.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.26.226]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nADNYiP0047343 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:34:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 10671 invoked by uid 503); 14 Nov 2009 00:21:34 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail408.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 2.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2009 00:21:34 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2009 23:35:25 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-40-10.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.151.10) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2009 23:35:25 -0000 Message-ID: <29D0A5366F1E425DA8DA1F9976431D49@Iulius> From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Lines count in USEFOR Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:34:40 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 17094819762177506745 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.151.10 (aaubervilliers-151-1-40-10.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, According to USEFOR: 3.3.1. Lines The Lines header field indicates the number of lines in the (as defined in [RFC5322]) of the article. lines = "Lines:" SP *WSP 1*DIGIT *WSP CRLF The line count is the number of CRLF separators in the . Historically, this header field was used by the NNTP [RFC3977] overview facility, but its use for this purpose is now deprecated. As a result, this header field is to be regarded as obsolescent, and it is likely to be removed entirely in a future version of this standard. All agents SHOULD ignore it and SHOULD NOT generate it. If I read RFC 5322: body = (*(*998text CRLF) *998text) / obs-body Isn't the final *998text counting for a line? I believe the line count is the number of CRLF separators in the PLUS ONE. (Unless I'm mistaken by the definition of the body?) The second part of the paragraph seems unclear. I am under the impression that RFC 3977 says we can use Lines: in the overview but USEFOR -- posterior to RFC 3977 -- deprecates that use. This header field is not used by OVER in RFC 3977. Maybe the reference to RFC 3977 should just be removed in the paragraph. Thus leaving NNTP in general. -- Julien ÉLIE « A good wife always forgives her husband when she's wrong. » (Rodney Dangerfield) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nACHC7vv032508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nACHC7Hu032507; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net [79.135.125.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nACHC5gT032486 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster#pop3$clerew^man#ac&uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4afc41e4.6122.2a8 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:12:04 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nACHC3e5024716 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:12:03 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id nACHC2K0024713 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:12:02 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25156 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Typos and new message-ID syntax in RFC 5538 Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <02FCE9AB44A54784A0946723975A84D3@Iulius> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:56:02 GMT Lines: 24 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <02FCE9AB44A54784A0946723975A84D3@Iulius> =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >Hi, >Shouldn't a few things be changed in draft-ellermann-news-nntp-uri-11 >before its publication as RFC 5538? >Especially after the changed made in RFC 5536 (USEFOR)? Yes, but 5538 is on hold until 5536 is fixed. Then it is up to Frank in the 1st instance (though I have recently failed to contact him by email, and he does not seem to be reading this list anymore). So keep your fixes on hold until we get to that point. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nABHC8Z8044750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:12:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nABHC8p2044749; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:12:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net [79.135.125.99]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nABHC6tQ044742 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster$pop3$clerew&man*ac&uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4afaf067.1eb6.247 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:12:07 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nABHC1O4008221 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:12:01 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id nABHC1gG008217 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:12:01 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25154 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Typos in USEFOR Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <3ED4A549867C42B090DC1709856897F6@Iulius> <746C5F6287DA4241B3D72A5D06B70BCB@Iulius> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:57:21 GMT Lines: 17 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <746C5F6287DA4241B3D72A5D06B70BCB@Iulius> =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >Maybe "whitespace" should be written with a space? >I see that RFC 5322 always uses a space. OK, I forwarded it to the RFC Editor et al. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nABE02N2031716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nABE02Qx031715; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (42.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.189.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nABDxxxJ031654 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 6442 invoked by uid 503); 11 Nov 2009 14:00:02 -0000 Received: from b9.ovh.net (HELO mail419.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2009 14:00:02 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2009 14:00:14 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-40-10.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.151.10) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2009 14:00:12 -0000 Message-ID: <02FCE9AB44A54784A0946723975A84D3@Iulius> From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Typos and new message-ID syntax in RFC 5538 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:59:52 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 14081630136854707641 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.151.10 (aaubervilliers-151-1-40-10.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, Shouldn't a few things be changed in draft-ellermann-news-nntp-uri-11 before its publication as RFC 5538? Especially after the changed made in RFC 5536 (USEFOR)? For Netnews, a group "example" has the same name on any server carrying this group, exotic cases involving gateways not withstanding. * "notwithstanding", in only one word? (I do not understand otherwise the sentence if it is the verb "to withstand".) URI producers have to percent-encode some characters as specified below (Section 4); otherwise, they MUST treat a "Message-ID" without angle brackets for 'news' URLs as is, i.e., case-sensitive, preserving quoted pairs and quoted strings. * Quoted strings no longer exist. nntpURL = "nntp:" server "/" group [ "/" article-number ] server = "//" authority ; see RFC 3986 group = 1*( group-char / pct-encoded ) article-number = 1*16DIGIT ; see RFC 3977 group-char = ALPHA / DIGIT / "-" / "+" / "_" / "." * Is it wise to redefine here, limited to 16 digits? We already know that an article number has in pratice more than 16 digits because a few servers (like Giganews) currently use 64-bit numbers for article numbers. Therefore, why explicitly refer to RFC 3977? The limitation of 16 digits may be obsoleted by an extension. However, [RFC5536] does not (yet) permit characters outside of and so, to keep the syntax simple, the additional characters are here covered by as defined in [RFC3986], * Shouldn't the sentence be changed? "(yet)" is strange. It appears twice RFC 5538. Please note that "%20" (space) and "%3E" (">") are not allowed. A "%5C" (backslash, "\") can only occur in four combinations, as shown above. Examples: news://server.example/ab.cd@example.com news:%22do..ts%22@example.com news:ab.cd@%5B2001:DB8::CD30%5D * The second example is invalid. Two consecutive dots are not allowed. Quoted strings are no longer allowed. mid-left = 1*( mid-atext / "." ) / ; ( "%22" mid-quote "%22" ) ; mid-quote = 1*( mid-atext / "." / ; incl. mid-special / ; '\"' / "[" / "]" "%5C%22" / "%5B" / "%5D" ) * This syntax is no longer allowed. As noted above (Section 2.2), the presence of an "@" in a 'news' URI disambiguates
and for URI consumers. The new construct specified in [RFC3977] does not require an "@". * But RFC 5536 (USEFOR) requires one. SON-OF-1036 * If its RFC number is known, it could be specified. The work on a successor of [RFC2822] hopefully ends up with a simplified syntax for both sides of a "Message-ID". * This sentence should be removed. The syntax has been simplified by RFC 5322. [RFC4289] requires an RFC for the access types registry. Because [SON-OF-1036] was never published as an RFC, the following paragraph quotes the relevant definition: NOTE: In the specific case where it is desired to essentially make another article PART of the current one, e.g., for annotation of the other article, MIME's "message/external-body" convention can be used to do so without actual inclusion. "news-message-ID" was registered as a standard external-body access method, with a mandatory NAME parameter giving the message ID and an optional SITE parameter suggesting an NNTP site that might have the article available (if it is not available locally), by IANA 22 June 1993. * Maybe the paragraph can be removed: SON-OF-1036 will soon be published as an historic RFC. Please note that 'news' URLs offer a very similar and (today) more common way to access articles by their Message-ID; compare [RFC2017]. * "Message-ID" with quotes (all other occurrences use one in the document). -- Julien ÉLIE « C'est la goutte d'eau qui fait déborder le vase et qui met le feu aux poudres. » Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA9L9AXv090773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:09:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA9L9A0F090772; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:09:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (42.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.189.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nA9L96KO090765 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:09:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 15982 invoked by uid 503); 9 Nov 2009 21:09:08 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail417.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 21:09:08 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 21:09:10 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-70-100.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@81.48.73.100) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 21:09:08 -0000 Message-ID: <746C5F6287DA4241B3D72A5D06B70BCB@Iulius> From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <3ED4A549867C42B090DC1709856897F6@Iulius> In-Reply-To: <3ED4A549867C42B090DC1709856897F6@Iulius> Subject: Re: Typos in USEFOR Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:08:59 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 9580282308414275001 X-Ovh-Remote: 81.48.73.100 (aaubervilliers-151-1-70-100.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Maybe "whitespace" should be written with a space? I see that RFC 5322 always uses a space. In USEFOR, the term appears 4 times, and only once with a space: o Every line of a header field body (including the first and any that are subsequently folded) MUST contain at least one non- whitespace character. Although comments and folding of white space are permitted throughout the Injection-Info header field, folding SHOULD NOT be used within any . NOTE: [RFC2616] describes a similar facility for the HTTP protocol. The Netnews article format differs in that "{" and "}" are allowed in tokens ( and ) and comments are permitted wherever whitespace is allowed. o Every line of a header field body (including the first and any that are subsequently folded) MUST contain at least one non- whitespace character. This means that an empty header field body is illegal. -- Julien ÉLIE « Nunc est bibendum. » (Horace) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA6Jisb0059821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA6JisDt059820; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (smtp4.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.84]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA6JioNe059814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id A23F5C95A for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B013C8EC for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 31F972F47F; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:44:50 -0800 (PST) From: Russ Allbery To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Re: New syntax on message-IDs In-Reply-To: (Charles Lindsey's message of "Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:38:31 GMT") Organization: The Eyrie References: <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> <874op8q2v8.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:44:50 -0800 Message-ID: <87skcrxwst.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: "Charles Lindsey" writes: > OK, I got that now. It essentially means "I have an article with this > msg-id; would you like me to send it?" But in fact there is no great > need for the server to check the syntax of the msg-id (though there is > nothing wrong or harmful in doing so). The client has no business > offering a bad msg-id in the first place (and wherever it got it from > should not have sent it, right back to who/whatever constructed it in > the first place). Yes, there's no major need, but it's not a bad idea anyway. There is some interoperability justification in rejecting malformed message IDs, since some servers behave poorly if you send them one, in ways that can cause problems in correctly identifying the error and understanding which article to not send on to the badly behaving server. Rejecting them up-front is in some ways cleaner. This is particularly true of excessively long message IDs, which can cause all sorts of weird problems. Message IDs containing whitespace are in general just a bad idea, too, since they're likely to break NNTP command parsing in numerous places down the line. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA6HC8ds051370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:12:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA6HC8B8051369; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:12:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net [79.135.125.43]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA6HC5rD051358 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster^pop3^clerew&man*ac*uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4af458e3.1d28.e8 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:12:03 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nA6HC2XI006749 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:12:03 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id nA6HC2tL006746 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:12:02 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25151 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: New syntax on message-IDs Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> <874op8q2v8.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:38:31 GMT Lines: 35 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <874op8q2v8.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Russ Allbery writes: >"Charles Lindsey" writes: >> =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >>> CHECK <"test"@test> >> CHECK is not a standard NNTP command BTW. >RFC 4644 is standards track. OK, I got that now. It essentially means "I have an article with this msg-id; would you like me to send it?" But in fact there is no great need for the server to check the syntax of the msg-id (though there is nothing wrong or harmful in doing so). The client has no business offering a bad msg-id in the first place (and wherever it got it from should not have sent it, right back to who/whatever constructed it in the first place). If a bad msg-id _does_ enter the system, then it make well propagate perfectly well. Then again it may not (some servers may not like it; some servers might munge it; garbage-in -> garbage-out and all that). What the standards say is that a well-formed msg-id MUST/SHOULD progagate correctly (modulo the right of any site to reject anything for reasons of local policy, of course). -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA5HmlWB072445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:48:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA5HmlOL072444; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:48:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA5Hmi6W072438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:48:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 15BD318FFD6 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:48:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7768018FFCB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7150B2F41E; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:48:43 -0800 (PST) From: Russ Allbery To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Re: New syntax on message-IDs In-Reply-To: (Charles Lindsey's message of "Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:51:23 GMT") Organization: The Eyrie References: <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:48:43 -0800 Message-ID: <874op8q2v8.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: "Charles Lindsey" writes: > =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >> CHECK <"test"@test> > CHECK is not a standard NNTP command BTW. RFC 4644 is standards track. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA5HhWpk072191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA5HhVdh072190; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 30.mail-out.ovh.net (30.mail-out.ovh.net [213.186.62.213]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nA5HhU3p072183 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:43:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 30553 invoked by uid 503); 5 Nov 2009 17:43:28 -0000 Received: from b9.ovh.net (HELO mail26.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 30.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 17:43:28 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 17:46:01 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.29.240) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 17:46:00 -0000 Message-ID: <18170AC669024135AEB26FD6A8AA7B1B@Iulius> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: New syntax on message-IDs (was Re: AUTH48 is stuck) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:43:25 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 1105633709545160121 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.29.240 (aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, > I am surprised that > INN bothers to test them at all. The normal implementation should just > extract eveything within <...>, and see if it is matched in the history > file. Because first of all we check the syntax of NNTP commands: IHAVE 435 Syntax error in message-ID (We *reject* the message with 435, not 501.) which is also done for readers: ARTICLE bad-id 501 Syntax error in message-ID ARTICLE 12a 501 Syntax error in article number Secondly, the Message-ID: header will be checked in the message: IHAVE 335 Send it From: "Demo User" Newsgroups: fr.test Subject: I am just a test article Date: 5 Nov 2009 04:38:40 -0500 Path: me Message-ID: nasty-one! Test. . 437 Bad "Message-ID" header RFC 3977: If the server is also conforming to another specification that contains a definition of message-id compatible with this one, the server SHOULD use those message-ids. I also see in USEPRO that: [A relaying agent] MAY reject any article that contains header fields that do not have valid contents. so I believe that's OK. >>CHECK <"test"@test> > > CHECK is not a standard NNTP command BTW. The result would have been the same with IHAVE. See my examples above. >>Is it OK for news servers to switch to the new USEFOR syntax right >>now? or would it cause problems? >>We can use that new syntax, starting with INN 2.5.2. > > Yes, because in practice the awkward cases will never arise. OK, thanks. -- Julien ÉLIE « La science consiste à passer d'un étonnement à l'autre. » (Aristote) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA5HCLZh070163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA5HCLFG070162; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net [79.135.125.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA5HCHDB070134 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:12:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster&pop3^clerew*man#ac#uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4af3076f.75b0.248 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:12:15 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nA5HC4jd026312 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:12:04 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id nA5HC2V4026304 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:12:03 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25149 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: New syntax on message-IDs (was Re: AUTH48 is stuck) Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:51:23 GMT Lines: 55 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >Hi Charles, >>> If I understand well the new syntax in USEFOR, the following message-IDs >>> are invalid: >>> >>> <"test"@test> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> whereas the following message-ID is valid: >>> >>> >> >> Correct. And the same is true in RFC 5322 also. >OK. >INN is currently only seeing the second one as invalid. The four other >are considered to be valid. I think that is more or less what I would expect, since those four would be valid under RFC 2822, but not under RFC 5322. I don't think we need to care whether servers accept the invalid cases. Indeed I am surprised that INN bothers to test them at all. The normal implementation should just extract eveything within <...>, and see if it is matched in the history file. As for sites that attempt to _generate_ msg-ids, then they certainly should not be doing it. But the plain fact is that nobody ever generates msg-ids of those formats (have you ever seen one in the wild?). So there is really no problem. >CHECK <"test"@test> CHECK is not a standard NNTP command BTW. >Is it OK for news servers to switch to the new USEFOR syntax right >now? or would it cause problems? >We can use that new syntax, starting with INN 2.5.2. Yes, because in practice the awkward cases will never arise. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA3IZQr2015682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:35:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA3IZQLO015681; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:35:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nA3IZO50015674 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 16776 invoked by uid 503); 3 Nov 2009 18:49:45 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail94.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 18:49:45 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 18:42:21 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.29.240) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 18:42:19 -0000 Message-ID: <50BBDB83112446FFA17BC92B458247B6@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usenet" References: <20091103045838.GB4464@kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi> <4BDD33BEF50E446384BA00E80CC09722@Iulius> <348525937.20091103101128@pobox.com> In-Reply-To: <348525937.20091103101128@pobox.com> Subject: Re: Issue in ABNF syntax for the User-Agent: header Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:35:19 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 8758093900706807225 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.29.240 (aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, [Bill] >> Because a parenthesis, for instance "(", is NOT allowed in a token. > > CFWS allows a Ah, I've missed that! And CFWS allows consecutive comments too. [Antti] > Of course not - but the parenthetical statements are not tokens, they are > CFWSs, which are allowed between tokens in the grammar quoted above. Well, sorry for the disturbance... -- Julien ÉLIE « Je suis capable du meilleur comme du pire, mais pour le pire, c'est moi le meilleur. » (Coluche) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA3IHXsr014842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:17:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA3IHXNV014841; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:17:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nA3IHUsi014829 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:17:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 5780 invoked by uid 503); 3 Nov 2009 18:31:50 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail94.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 18:31:50 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 18:24:27 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.29.240) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 18:24:25 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" , References: <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> In-Reply-To: Subject: New syntax on message-IDs (was Re: AUTH48 is stuck) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:17:26 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 8455789775950446009 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.29.240 (aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, >> If I understand well the new syntax in USEFOR, the following message-IDs >> are invalid: >> >> <"test"@test> >> >> >> >> >> whereas the following message-ID is valid: >> >> > > Correct. And the same is true in RFC 5322 also. OK. INN is currently only seeing the second one as invalid. The four other are considered to be valid. CHECK <"test"@test> 238 <"test"@test> CHECK 438 CHECK 238 CHECK 238 CHECK 238 CHECK 438 Note that 438 is sent (refusal to receive the article) instead of 501 (syntax error) because of backwards compatibility with existing news servers, contrary to what RFC 3977 suggests. > But some strange variants > such as <"te..st@test> are allowed in the present USEFOR syntax. INN currently considers it to be invalid. So that's fine because the new USEFOR syntax disallows it. CHECK <"te..st@test> 438 <"te..st@test> Is it OK for news servers to switch to the new USEFOR syntax right now? or would it cause problems? We can use that new syntax, starting with INN 2.5.2. -- Julien ÉLIE « La différence entre un chanteur et une paire de chaussures est que le chanteur doit partir avant de lasser. La paire de chaussures, il vaut mieux les lacer avant de partir. » (Philippe Geluck) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA3IFY2b014553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA3IFYia014552; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from flowerpot.kaijanaho.fi (flowerpot.kaijanaho.fi [80.68.88.155]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA3IFUQP014541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from antti-juhani@kaijanaho.fi) Received: from kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi (e82-103-229-207.elisa-laajakaista.fi [82.103.229.207]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ajk) by flowerpot.kaijanaho.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 84AA0FC878 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:15:29 +0200 (EET) Received: by kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E0EDF85410D; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:15:27 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:15:27 +0200 From: Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho To: Usefor WG Subject: Re: Issue in ABNF syntax for the User-Agent: header Message-ID: <20091103181527.GA4385@kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi> References: <20091103045838.GB4464@kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi> <4BDD33BEF50E446384BA00E80CC09722@Iulius> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4BDD33BEF50E446384BA00E80CC09722@Iulius> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 06:31:42PM +0100, Julien ÉLIE wrote: > >>I read in USEFOR: > >> > >> user-agent = "User-Agent:" SP 1*product [CFWS] CRLF > >> product = [CFWS] token [ [CFWS] "/" product-version ] > >> product-version = [CFWS] token > >> > >>and in RFC 2045: > >> > >> token := 1* >> or tspecials> > >> > >> tspecials := "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@" / > >> "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <"> / > >> "/" / "[" / "]" / "?" / "=" > >> ; Must be in quoted-string, > >> ; to use within parameter values > Because a parenthesis, for instance "(", is NOT allowed in a token. Of course not - but the parenthetical statements are not tokens, they are CFWSs, which are allowed between tokens in the grammar quoted above. > I believe USEFOR should introduce the notion of a comment here (which allows > such a construction, as RFC 2626 does), besides the product. No need to introduce - it already allows them. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA3IBbZS014213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:11:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA3IBbih014212; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:11:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com [64.74.157.62]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA3IBXVu014202 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:11:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from McQuilWP@pobox.com) Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D8C901C9; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:11:32 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=date:from :message-id:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=sasl; bh=d22g74mrS5HZ AksmzpBVC/ERs+4=; b=P63KdDZHU+UgiB5fUcBZkBX6TYLSfewEIuD9S4KvOFg2 dzbwcLoYKGni963mHI8gBUb4mGILpdJYgzLbQYKs9DiFX7A+6ikgbzb160dSQ8Lk hM2wYVOIHSt5dR1QUizNq0Lc3xX8Yt+tjZFqrcBoE+Wq7ag0f0nhw8VEuz7uUs8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=date:from :message-id:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=sasl; b=gOhaS6 bezpHNzMvo9Irbh9psZWg3NU71JkEDBy5WTGBC9n7Z0RfenZtWxxZ6SPgm5Cab1C kM6wQaNBKxdAOZb8MP9oOTJl/wHNkXknsyGzPXKrUP/Wu3GNqdOacY5WAtbBZxF9 eYQvkU5xDhTQEuzFnRKSzLPDKbyb+FoDA2qpY= Received: from a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAEFA901C7; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (unknown [68.107.60.165]) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2E5C3901C6; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:11:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:11:28 -0800 From: Bill McQuillan X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <348525937.20091103101128@pobox.com> To: Usenet Subject: Re: Issue in ABNF syntax for the User-Agent: header In-Reply-To: <4BDD33BEF50E446384BA00E80CC09722@Iulius> References: <20091103045838.GB4464@kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi> <4BDD33BEF50E446384BA00E80CC09722@Iulius> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 50814780-C8A4-11DE-9CD0-A67CBBB5EC2E-02871704!a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Tue, 2009-11-03, Julien =C9LIE wrote: > Because a parenthesis, for instance "(", is NOT allowed in a token. CFWS allows a --=20 Bill McQuillan Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA3HVpIL012051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:31:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA3HVp0B012050; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:31:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nA3HVmJ8012043 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:31:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 30728 invoked by uid 503); 3 Nov 2009 17:46:06 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail94.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 17:46:06 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 17:38:44 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.29.240) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 17:38:41 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDD33BEF50E446384BA00E80CC09722@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <20091103045838.GB4464@kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi> In-Reply-To: <20091103045838.GB4464@kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi> Subject: Re: Issue in ABNF syntax for the User-Agent: header Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:31:42 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 7683422441020259769 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.29.240 (aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Antti-Juhani, >> I read in USEFOR: >> >> user-agent = "User-Agent:" SP 1*product [CFWS] CRLF >> product = [CFWS] token [ [CFWS] "/" product-version ] >> product-version = [CFWS] token >> >> and in RFC 2045: >> >> token := 1*> or tspecials> >> >> tspecials := "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@" / >> "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <"> / >> "/" / "[" / "]" / "?" / "=" >> ; Must be in quoted-string, >> ; to use within parameter values >> >> >> However, a quick "HDR User-Agent -" on news.software.nntp gives at least: >> >> 7710 Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) >> 7704 slrn/pre1.0.0-15 (Linux) >> 7660 tin/1.9.5-20091003 ("Rieclachan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.24-24-generic (i686)) >> 7659 Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) >> 7600 MacSOUP/2.8.2 (Mac OS X version 10.5.8 (x86)) >> 7594 Turnpike/6.07-M () >> 7587 Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) >> >> All of them are not USEFOR-compliant! > > In any case, as far as I can seem they all comply. Can you explain in more > detail why you think they don't? Because a parenthesis, for instance "(", is NOT allowed in a token. I believe USEFOR should introduce the notion of a comment here (which allows such a construction, as RFC 2626 does), besides the product. -- Julien ÉLIE « La différence entre un chanteur et une paire de chaussures est que le chanteur doit partir avant de lasser. La paire de chaussures, il vaut mieux les lacer avant de partir. » (Philippe Geluck) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA34whPK066497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:58:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA34whoJ066496; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:58:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from flowerpot.kaijanaho.fi (flowerpot.kaijanaho.fi [80.68.88.155]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA34weGN066490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:58:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from antti-juhani@kaijanaho.fi) Received: from kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi (a91-156-163-173.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.156.163.173]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ajk) by flowerpot.kaijanaho.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A1C9DFC878; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:58:39 +0200 (EET) Received: by kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D7B6885410D; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:58:38 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:58:38 +0200 From: Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho To: Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE?= Cc: Usefor WG Subject: Re: Issue in ABNF syntax for the User-Agent: header Message-ID: <20091103045838.GB4464@kukkaseppele.kaijanaho.fi> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 11:52:28PM +0100, Julien ÉLIE wrote: > > Hi, > > I read in USEFOR: > > user-agent = "User-Agent:" SP 1*product [CFWS] CRLF > product = [CFWS] token [ [CFWS] "/" product-version ] > product-version = [CFWS] token > > and in RFC 2045: > > token := 1* or tspecials> > > tspecials := "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@" / > "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <"> / > "/" / "[" / "]" / "?" / "=" > ; Must be in quoted-string, > ; to use within parameter values > > > However, a quick "HDR User-Agent -" on news.software.nntp gives at least: > > 7710 Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) > 7704 slrn/pre1.0.0-15 (Linux) > 7660 tin/1.9.5-20091003 ("Rieclachan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.24-24-generic (i686)) > 7659 Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) > 7600 MacSOUP/2.8.2 (Mac OS X version 10.5.8 (x86)) > 7594 Turnpike/6.07-M () > 7587 Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) > > All of them are not USEFOR-compliant! Do you mean "None of them are" or "At least one of them is"? In any case, as far as I can seem they all comply. Can you explain in more detail why you think they don't? > Incidentally, it is normal we have [CFWS] for a few headers and not others? I believe it is intentional. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA2MqZmm050579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:52:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA2MqZFa050577; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:52:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (42.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.189.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nA2MqXkw050570 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:52:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 10837 invoked by uid 503); 2 Nov 2009 22:52:34 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail640.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:52:34 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:52:21 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.29.240) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:52:19 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Issue in ABNF syntax for the User-Agent: header Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:52:28 +0100 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 7107524637824515513 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.29.240 (aaubervilliers-151-1-56-240.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, I read in USEFOR: user-agent = "User-Agent:" SP 1*product [CFWS] CRLF product = [CFWS] token [ [CFWS] "/" product-version ] product-version = [CFWS] token and in RFC 2045: token := 1* tspecials := "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@" / "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <"> / "/" / "[" / "]" / "?" / "=" ; Must be in quoted-string, ; to use within parameter values However, a quick "HDR User-Agent -" on news.software.nntp gives at least: 7710 Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) 7704 slrn/pre1.0.0-15 (Linux) 7660 tin/1.9.5-20091003 ("Rieclachan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.24-24-generic (i686)) 7659 Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) 7600 MacSOUP/2.8.2 (Mac OS X version 10.5.8 (x86)) 7594 Turnpike/6.07-M () 7587 Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) All of them are not USEFOR-compliant! Is it normal?!? Isn't something missing in the ABNF syntax? If I read RFC 2626 for HTTP, I see: User-Agent = "User-Agent" ":" 1*( product | comment ) comment = "(" *( ctext | quoted-pair | comment ) ")" ctext = which seems to be more accurate thant what USEFOR mentions. Incidentally, it is normal we have [CFWS] for a few headers and not others? No initial folding for Path: path = "Path:" SP *WSP path-list tail-entry *WSP CRLF path-list = *( path-identity [FWS] [path-diagnostic] "!" ) but a possible one for Archive: archive = "Archive:" SP [CFWS] ("no" / "yes") *( [CFWS] ";" [CFWS] archive-param ) [CFWS] CRLF I think that's OK, but better be sure... -- Julien ÉLIE « A man inserted an 'ad' in the classifieds: "Wife wanted". Next day he received a hundred letters. They all said the same thing: "You can have mine." » Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA2HC6hg032082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA2HC6SW032081; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-1.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-1.gradwell.net [79.135.125.40]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA2HC4su032070 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster*pop3#clerew#man#ac#uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4aef12e3.7e49.22b for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:12:03 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nA2HC1sg029219 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:12:02 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id nA2HC1SV029214 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:12:01 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25141 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Diffs for the msg-id issue in -usefor Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <4AEE7173.2090904@alvestrand.no> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:08:31 GMT Lines: 50 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <4AEE7173.2090904@alvestrand.no> Harald Alvestrand writes: >This note sent to make sure I have everything in one place, and to make >sure I have informed the WG of what I'm planning to do. >Apologies for letting this drift so long. >msg-id as proposed by Charles to allow us to reference 5322: > message-id = "Message-ID:" SP *WSP msg-id *WSP CRLF > msg-id = "<" msg-id-core ">" > ; maximum length is 250 octets > msg-id-core = id-left "@" id-right > id-left = dot-atom-text > id-right = dot-atom-text / no-fold-literal > no-fold-literal = "[" **mdtext* "]" ^ ^ You seem to have found a couple of superflous '*' in there. Otherwise it is all correct. > mdtext = %d33-61 / ; The rest of the US-ASCII > %d63-90 / ; characters not including > %d94-126 ; ">", "[", "]", or "\" >The differences between this proposal and 5322 are: >- No CFWS before or after >- No obs-* productions >- No > characters inside a no-fold-literal There were also various other consequential changes to the text and other nits from Julien, which I have already emailed you about off-list. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA25jpIO090931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA25jpqv090929; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA25jnUK090920 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:45:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B39839E1BC for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:45:49 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wOIWYdmoY5R7 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:45:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (c83-250-103-72.bredband.comhem.se [83.250.103.72]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8DDF39E15D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:45:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AEE7173.2090904@alvestrand.no> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:43:15 +0100 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Diffs for the msg-id issue in -usefor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: This note sent to make sure I have everything in one place, and to make sure I have informed the WG of what I'm planning to do. Apologies for letting this drift so long. Msg-id as defined in RFC 2822: message-id = "Message-ID:" msg-id CRLF in-reply-to = "In-Reply-To:" 1*msg-id CRLF references = "References:" 1*msg-id CRLF msg-id = [CFWS] "<" id-left "@" id-right ">" [CFWS] id-left = dot-atom-text / no-fold-quote / obs-id-left id-right = dot-atom-text / no-fold-literal / obs-id-right no-fold-quote = DQUOTE *(qtext / quoted-pair) DQUOTE no-fold-literal = "[" *(dtext / quoted-pair) "]" Msg-id as defined in RFC 5322: msg-id = [CFWS] "<" id-left "@" id-right ">" [CFWS] id-left = dot-atom-text / obs-id-left id-right = dot-atom-text / no-fold-literal / obs-id-right no-fold-literal = "[" *dtext "]" Msg-id as defined in -usefor: msg-id = "<" msg-id-core ">" ; maximum length is 250 octets msg-id-core = id-left "@" id-right id-left = dot-atom-text / no-fold-quote id-right = dot-atom-text / no-fold-literal no-fold-quote = DQUOTE ( "." *mqtext / *mqtext "." / *mqtext mqspecial *mqtext ) DQUOTE mqtext = atext / "." / mqspecial mqspecial = "(" / ")" / ; same as specials except "<" / ; "\" and DQUOTE quoted "[" / "]" / ; "." doubled and ">" omitted ":" / ";" / "@" / "," / ".." / "\\" / "\" DQUOTE no-fold-literal = "[" *( mdtext / "\[" / "\]" / "\\" ) "]" mdtext = %d33-61 / ; The rest of the US-ASCII %d63-90 / ; characters not including %d94-126 ; ">", "[", "]", or "\" msg-id as proposed by Charles to allow us to reference 5322: message-id = "Message-ID:" SP *WSP msg-id *WSP CRLF msg-id = "<" msg-id-core ">" ; maximum length is 250 octets msg-id-core = id-left "@" id-right id-left = dot-atom-text id-right = dot-atom-text / no-fold-literal no-fold-literal = "[" **mdtext* "]" mdtext = %d33-61 / ; The rest of the US-ASCII %d63-90 / ; characters not including %d94-126 ; ">", "[", "]", or "\" The differences between this proposal and 5322 are: - No CFWS before or after - No obs-* productions - No > characters inside a no-fold-literal I think this is appropriate, and will tell the RFC Editor that he should make that change. Harald Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA25807o089284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:08:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nA2580Xi089283; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:08:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nA257tUK089271 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:07:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9F539E15D; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:07:54 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xBXmAnjrvgnZ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:07:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (c83-250-103-72.bredband.comhem.se [83.250.103.72]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1491739E1BC; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:07:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AEE6893.5090008@alvestrand.no> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:05:23 +0100 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charles Lindsey CC: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Re: AUTH48 is stuck References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I've woken up now, and will try to deal with this. Charles, I have your diffs from September 21. I will try to inspect them, and if I approve them, I think we can get this unstuck. Harald Charles Lindsey wrote: > RFC 5536 (aka our USEFOR) draft is stuck in AUTH 48. > > The problem is that it is agreed it needs to refer to RFC 5532 rather than > RFC 2822, but RFC has changed the syntax of Message-ID (considerably > simplified it) and this has consequential effects on the corresponding > syntax in RFC 5536. > > I published the changes I considered desirable (a considerable > simplification in fact) in this WG months and months ago, and I thought we > had rough consensus that they should go ahead - certainly several people > seemed happy with the idea, and none opposed it. > > But I am only the second editor. Ken Murchison is the primary editor and > holds the responsibility for communicating the changes to the RFC Editor, > unless either he or Harald decides or requests otherwise. But there has > been total silence from Ken, apart from two messages to say he would do it > "RSN". > > Every month, the RFC Editor circulates to the editors and others concerned > an enquiry as to whether the changes are yet available, and each month I > reply saying we are still waiting for Ken. > > In desperation a few weeks ago, I prepared the diffs I considered > necessary in the required format, and sent them to Ken (CC to Harald) > with a request that he either adopted them, or did his own, or authorized > me to submit them myself. But there has been no reply. > > How can we proceed if neither Ken nor Harald are replying to emails? And > how else can we proceed? > >