From lopes@ics.uci.edu Thu Feb 3 08:33:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: vwrap@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: vwrap@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1CB43A6A0D for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 08:33:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.37 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.37 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.229, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U+fGsO7T4ur1 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 08:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from colin-baker-v0.ics.uci.edu (colin-baker-v0.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.153]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139053A6A0B for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 08:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [169.234.248.32] (barbara-wright.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.137]) (authenticated bits=0) by colin-baker-v0.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p13Gadgc030544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 08:36:40 -0800 Message-ID: <4D4AD99B.7090006@ics.uci.edu> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 08:36:43 -0800 From: Cristina Videira Lopes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vwrap@ietf.org References: <4D30F6FE.4020805@ics.uci.edu> <4D38F7B0.4090506@stpeter.im> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please send mail to helpdesk@ics.uci.edu or more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: p13Gadgc030544 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: lopes@ics.uci.edu Subject: [vwrap] Relevant panel at the IEFT: the role of standards in a JavaScript-powered world X-BeenThere: vwrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Virtual World Region Agent Protocol - IETF working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:33:26 -0000 Of interest to this group, I think: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/500 From dzonatas@gmail.com Mon Feb 7 19:27:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: vwrap@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: vwrap@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393043A6BB8 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2011 19:27:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CJ8iDoisgGEw for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2011 19:27:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754393A6BAB for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2011 19:27:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by iym1 with SMTP id 1so5233761iym.31 for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 19:27:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1QhS9j8crWpApZZRyYPZD00LW3WGsVhbehpAOK9gdYs=; b=E3mlnp/4ucg9cshIeRAMbsR8oax3tibZSZ7to1RJnr1azFqj1ooZWpcXv785vMfCPi YYntK+63FBl7kBOptej0mdg0D4eDqQHUWfLg25gbfogfPtEPMHxUNsU0yW1e9ffRRz/W qhryT0QyZB3+NnjX9kkbtw4/z44Y+ln8NnRCU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=izxztrQ1+r40xw/2sr+8GTGsqiXDmphA0GNk+X9aRYHjno1X730j+Ny0EgEcbkRJ9N xvpMyc+AkCxFTNmVnuavmeGreN/eeV07dALe/fpC7HswqlsZXWBYCGlM4iGtrB7TPGII Dns0lON5dxn7Q4pZHxV5l/Exv4TdeMNv6ZJSQ= Received: by 10.42.227.8 with SMTP id iy8mr19401490icb.440.1297135626120; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 19:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.50] (adsl-70-133-68-73.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net [70.133.68.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm4337059iba.10.2011.02.07.19.27.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Feb 2011 19:27:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D4E1313.3070706@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 19:18:43 -0800 From: Dzonatas Sol User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100329) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Morgaine References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: vwrap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [vwrap] Technical basis for VW client in a web browser? X-BeenThere: vwrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Virtual World Region Agent Protocol - IETF working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 03:27:02 -0000 Maybe developers have realized that large platform-style development is not fast enough for today's market with many more brands. No longer can we expect the handful of brands we had in the past to program against. Eventually, they'll get the idea to write for a virtual machine that doesn't do everything yet enough to manipulate the UI in needs possible. Every VM made (and built-into viewers/browsers) has had years of security issues and monolithic problems. Virtualization on the motherboard let's concepts be easily shared with hand-held devices. That may sound OT easily when not appreciated the same as VW... but city on the chip is no new publishment. Morgaine wrote: > Has anyone seen a well argued technical assessment supporting the > concept of "VW client in a browser"? > > I would be very interested to read such an article or post.� > Everything I've read so far doesn't hold up at all technically, and > just highlights the huge impedance mismatch. > > > Morgaine. > > > > > ======================================== > > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Richard L. Barnes > wrote: > > Folks on this list are probably better plugged in to this stuff > than I am, but in case people hadn't heard: Earlier this week, > Katalabs released a virtual world based on WebSockets and WebGL. > > > > _______________________________________________ > vwrap mailing list > vwrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vwrap > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > vwrap mailing list > vwrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vwrap > -- --- https://twitter.com/Dzonatas_Sol --- Web Development, Software Engineering, Virtual Reality, Consultant From dzonatas@gmail.com Mon Feb 7 19:50:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: vwrap@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: vwrap@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CF13A6BF4 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2011 19:50:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zBYfy86D0PZx for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2011 19:50:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-px0-f172.google.com (mail-px0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3A93A69F9 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2011 19:50:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by pxi6 with SMTP id 6so1315329pxi.31 for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 19:50:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4Z6BeToL1QpEWvI2V6Y/yEZpDf1VE10S6pAMXgnhIpc=; b=q7IMu6Y4yC0tVK6yLFdZbErkiVxc1UJnVM/T1QqvAQvIUZcLAR7Pfi8e4KrmO4w4de r56OD/WHyyDMdFNURXq4wlsmaXI1EypG77T/DWeFXpHTqLJgqKTPQOqJJ5DdI3anlQ2Z LvfffxP4PqszZma73RQ7djOUfPy2nORys4LF0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MytQN1DbyW4PvJFVhlniMJVyGjhJXPnRQhwjmy3rJi93AcDxR7fjyWD6bq4j+ZpdG9 1C7b7vh82D88irhTr8EqSqdzNGxYdC2scWAWF2A8Y7s5f8+52xi8jfAHIjzED6m4l8oA P/TTMqBDXe1f99851fXUEHGqT7go6fE/tQ0dg= Received: by 10.142.212.11 with SMTP id k11mr2782022wfg.64.1297137034419; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 19:50:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.50] (adsl-70-133-68-73.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net [70.133.68.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b11sm6916318wff.9.2011.02.07.19.50.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Feb 2011 19:50:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D4E1894.1070506@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 19:42:12 -0800 From: Dzonatas Sol User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100329) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Meadhbh Hamrick References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: vwrap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [vwrap] Technical basis for VW client in a web browser? X-BeenThere: vwrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Virtual World Region Agent Protocol - IETF working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 03:50:30 -0000 Meadhbh Hamrick wrote: > Logic: JavaScript appears adequate for most application logic, but the >> amount of data that needs to be processed per frame in a complex world like >> SL is significant - far more than most games. Most WebGL demos so far have >> extremely simple requirements. >> > > though i'm a bit of a JavaScript fan, i think it's an open question > whether JS could handle the types of data rates SL sends at a viewer. > this being said, a "light" experience with less detail, fewer > textures, etc. is probably do-able. > > -cheers > -meadhbh > We need to stop the language requirements and stay with lower-level VM code. It makes it too hard to share experience. We seen scenerio happen too many times where people tout their favorite language, and everybody that doesn't agree "...is on drugs." People don't consider real-world problems are acceptable reasons why we need to bend development to help these needs... ...(mine simply being missing children and people accuse me of drugs because of related depression... enough of that hateraid!!! Hate saying it... sometimes need to remind us about disabilities despite the business door.) Take the serious look at concepts. Business vs development, the market always wins one except that doesn't cover areas where money is life, and I bet my life I'm worth it, and expect each of you to say the same. We need forward-thinking, yet justifications can't contain such "requirements" unless they are already real. Technical writers need to learn that fact more. Being mixed between concepts that work and concepts that are desired is the main headache with many production systems (includes the marketers too). That said, maybe you see why the design taken by current VW viewers and apply separation in them into programs that wrap around UNIXen more closely, like devices drivers, are the real way forward. You may not like this... it isn't that hard as you think. You just lose the M$ monolithic project... and grow up like a tree... and let the fruit fall off. Some just hold onto the apple longer and hope it doesn't rot... Android is a proof-of-concept and not just anti-iPhone. -- --- https://twitter.com/Dzonatas_Sol --- Web Development, Software Engineering, Virtual Reality, Consultant From stpeter@stpeter.im Thu Feb 10 13:08:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: vwrap@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: vwrap@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE8A3A69E5 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:08:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wtN2wpNQOjbe for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:08:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from stpeter.im (stpeter.im [207.210.219.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB40F3A67B8 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:08:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-64-101-72-185.cisco.com (dhcp-64-101-72-185.cisco.com [64.101.72.185]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 32FF140393; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:26:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4D5453DF.5020701@stpeter.im> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:08:47 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Morgaine References: <4D30F6FE.4020805@ics.uci.edu> <4D38F7B0.4090506@stpeter.im> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: url=http://www.saint-andre.com/me/stpeter.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000808050409000102000503" Cc: vwrap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [vwrap] Status and future of the VWRAP working group X-BeenThere: vwrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Virtual World Region Agent Protocol - IETF working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:08:38 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000808050409000102000503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The IETF wiki spaces are rather free-form so far -- use them as you wish. Have you created pages that are not yet linked from the main page at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/vwrap/trac/wiki ? On 1/21/11 8:11 AM, Morgaine wrote: > Good advice there, thank you Peter. >=20 > I've made myself a login at the IETF wiki and am currently playing with= > markup in Trac's sandbox. It seems very simple indeed, and clearly > takes markup ideas from MediaWiki which is so very widely known. >=20 > Where would pre-drafts, outlines, and other auxiliary / temporary > documents go in the IETF wiki space? (I haven't found a guidelines or > best practices page on IETF wiki use yet, but will keep looking.) >=20 >=20 > Morgaine. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:04 AM, Peter Saint-Andre > wrote: >=20 > With my area director hat on: >=20 > a.) I like the idea of collaborative effort at a wiki. This lowers = the > barriers to entry. A big +1. >=20 > b.) I'd prefer to see this happen at the official working group wik= i: >=20 > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/vwrap/trac/wiki >=20 > The main factor here is the IETF's policy on contributions, a.k.a. = "Note > Well"... >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html >=20 > I am not a lawyer, but I doubt that work happening at a wiki site > somewhere else is covered under "Note Well". The last thing we want= is > ambiguity about copyrights and patents, so I strongly encourage fol= ks to > do this work at the Trac URL I posted above. >=20 > To request login credentials, go here: >=20 > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/loginmgr/newlogin >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Peter >=20 > On 1/19/11 2:01 PM, Morgaine wrote: > > The idea of putting this "pre-draft" on a wiki was not mine (the = work > > was started by two other contributors). I fully support the goal= > > though: to use a medium where lots of people can have input, eve= n if > > it's just a single paragraph or just a word correction, so that t= he > > initial draft doesn't suffer the problem of inertia while massive= > > changes are afoot. > > > > It also overcomes the personalization issue that arises when > drafts are > > tagged officially with a particular person's name. Since this is= > being > > done as a collaborative effort, perhaps it would be fairer if som= e > > impartial party tags this initial draft of the "new" Intro instea= d. > > We've suffered somewhat with draft personalization issues in the = past. > > > > Be that as it may, we have much work ahead of us to make this Int= ro a > > document that reflects the group's rough consensus of aspirations= on > > interop, even for an initial draft. We need more people to contr= ibute > > some typing time. Those who found the current draft lacking in > respect > > of interop, this is your chance for change. :-) > > > > > > Morgaine. > > > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Barry Leiba > > > >= > > wrote: > > > > > As for timescales, we already started work on a new Intro i= n > > October and > > > November, as I described in my first email in this thread. > It was > > being > > > done informally, not as an official draft but as input to a= > > totally new > > > draft. It was not being done as a revision because the > previous Intro > > > simply did not meet key requirements for many contributors,= > as was > > clear > > > from the group's very intense discussions of September. > > > > Can you see if you can get it into reasonable shape to introd= uce > > publicly, and then submit it as draft-morgaine-vwrap-intro-00= > ? 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Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.42.229.67 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:52:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D30F6FE.4020805@ics.uci.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:52:00 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 71fM35EcLsqWebSErMiQrDtff1o Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: vwrap@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [vwrap] Status and future of the VWRAP working group X-BeenThere: vwrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Virtual World Region Agent Protocol - IETF working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:51:03 -0000 On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Barry Leiba wrot= e: >> As for timescales, we already started work on a new Intro in October and >> November, as I described in my first email in this thread.=A0 It was bei= ng >> done informally, not as an official draft but as input to a totally new >> draft.=A0 It was not being done as a revision because the previous Intro >> simply did not meet key requirements for many contributors, as was clear >> from the group's very intense discussions of September. > > Can you see if you can get it into reasonable shape to introduce > publicly, and then submit it as draft-morgaine-vwrap-intro-00 ? =A0That > would give people something concrete to work from. I haven't seen any activity on this, so let me repeat this with a deadline: The chairs ask the proponents to please get a new intro document into reasonable (not final) shape to introduce publicly, and to submit it as an Internet Draft with a name like "draft-SOMEONE-vwrap-intro-00" by 10 April (the significance of which will be left for the reader to research, should s/he care to). There may, of course, be any (reasonable) number of authors listed on the draft, and any one may be the name chosen to live in the draft name. If we're not able to do that, I think we need to seriously question whether there's enough real energy to continue. Barry, as chair