On May 10, 2008, at = 3:00 PM, Geoffrey M Clemm wrote:

So here's the = problem: The primary purpose of the DAV:principal-URL is to = specify the "identity" of a principal (so you can use it to check for = equality). But you might not have an HTTP URI that can be used as = the "identity" (you might need to use some URN URI, for example). = So you might be forced to use a non-HTTP URL in the = DAV:principal-URL property.

So the spec says that there must be an HTTP URL for a = principal, but it does not require that the HTTP URL be the one that = appears in the DAV:principal-URL property.

At least that's how I remember it ... I could of course be = wrong (it's been a while :-).

Cheers,
Geoff

= --Apple-Mail-1-294493174-- From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Mon May 12 04:28:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7893A67F9 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 04:28:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ebRFiyDb0Ch8 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 04:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F953A67AC for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 04:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JvW9S-0006pE-LI for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:25:06 +0000 Received: from farnsworth.w3.org ([128.30.52.43]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JvW9R-0006oa-Qw for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:25:05 +0000 Received: from nobody by farnsworth.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JvW9R-00078E-Om for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:25:05 +0000 Received: from aji.w3.org ([133.27.228.225]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JvW3W-0005Ab-6O for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:18:58 +0000 Received: from gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com ([192.18.6.21]) by aji.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JvW3O-0000VN-4v for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:18:57 +0000 Received: from fe-emea-10.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe1.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.10]) by gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4CBIETu021755 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:18:14 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-10.sun.com by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K0R00L015U2AW00@fe-emea-10.sun.com> (original mail from Arnaud.Quillaud@Sun.COM) for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:18:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.158.250.220] by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0R0045662CQ870@fe-emea-10.sun.com> for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:18:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:48:44 +0530 From: Arnaud Quillaud To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Message-id: <48282794.80604@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: aji.w3.org 1JvW3O-0000VN-4v 8e9b7188d12b361b88184826d7552dfd X-caa-id: 8e1ad4ed03067bc1f58f X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: acl settings and extended MKCOL Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12839 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:25:06 +0000 Hello, The WebDAV ACL spec does not offer a way to create a resource and set its acl in a single operation. Nor does it let you discover the initial acl set on a new resource (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3744#section-12.3). With the new extended MKCOL (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-daboo-webdav-mkcol), it is now possible to set properties and create a collection in one single operation. By setting the DAV:acl property among those properties, one can achieve an atomic (MKCOL + ACL). I think no WebDAV specification prevents a server from allowing this (especially given that the WebDAV ACL spec precedes extended MKCOL draft). But isn't it something that would be worth mentioning in the extended MKCOL spec, either to clarify the expected behavior,... or to discourage its use if it is found to be problematic. Arnaud Q From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Mon May 12 05:01:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAAD3A68FB for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 05:01:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CrOMdwzmvIxI for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 05:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18843A6885 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 05:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JvWet-00070U-W2 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:57:36 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JvWet-0006zq-Ag for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:57:35 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JvWem-0001Ze-L1 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:57:34 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so1856448fgg.44 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 04:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.62.3 with SMTP id k3mr14096709fga.32.1210593421962; Mon, 12 May 2008 04:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?172.16.15.128? ( [212.209.62.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l19sm6617045fgb.9.2008.05.12.04.57.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 12 May 2008 04:57:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Henrik Holst To: Arnaud Quillaud Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org In-Reply-To: <48282794.80604@sun.com> References: <48282794.80604@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:56:59 +0200 Message-Id: <1210593419.16452.0.camel@henrik-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1JvWem-0001Ze-L1 82e1782a1b3624e603b539b3d9e708d9 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: acl settings and extended MKCOL Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12840 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:57:35 +0000 mĂĄn 2008-05-12 klockan 16:48 +0530 skrev Arnaud Quillaud: > Hello, > > The WebDAV ACL spec does not offer a way to create a resource and set > its acl in a single operation. Nor does it let you discover the initial > acl set on a new resource (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3744#section-12.3). > > With the new extended MKCOL > (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-daboo-webdav-mkcol), it is now > possible to set properties and create a collection in one single operation. > By setting the DAV:acl property among those properties, one can achieve > an atomic (MKCOL + ACL). > I think no WebDAV specification prevents a server from allowing this > (especially given that the WebDAV ACL spec precedes extended MKCOL draft). > But isn't it something that would be worth mentioning in the extended > MKCOL spec, either to clarify the expected behavior,... or to discourage > its use if it is found to be problematic. > > Arnaud Q > > DAV:acl is a protected property so it shouldn't be possible to set it using the extended MKCOL as far as I can see. /Henrik Holst From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Mon May 12 05:20:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232C03A6885 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 05:20:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 78td9BuCLUwB for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 05:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33E73A67F9 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 05:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JvWzE-0006ab-SZ for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:18:36 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JvWzE-0006Z5-8p for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:18:36 +0000 Received: from gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com ([192.18.6.21]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JvWz4-0004Cd-T8 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:18:33 +0000 Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.12]) by gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4CCHnxG028057 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 12:17:50 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K0R001018RK8000@fe-emea-09.sun.com> (original mail from Arnaud.Quillaud@Sun.COM) for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 13:17:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.158.250.220] by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0R004MC8SPZW60@fe-emea-09.sun.com>; Mon, 12 May 2008 13:17:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 17:47:45 +0530 From: Arnaud Quillaud In-reply-to: <1210593419.16452.0.camel@henrik-desktop> To: Henrik Holst Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Message-id: <48283569.10302@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 References: <48282794.80604@sun.com> <1210593419.16452.0.camel@henrik-desktop> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com id m4CCHnxG028057 Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: lisa.w3.org 1JvWz4-0004Cd-T8 549f436a8910bcbffc4a9f8248146054 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: acl settings and extended MKCOL Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12841 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:18:36 +0000 Henrik Holst wrote: > m=C3=A5n 2008-05-12 klockan 16:48 +0530 skrev Arnaud Quillaud: > =20 >> Hello, >> >> The WebDAV ACL spec does not offer a way to create a resource and set=20 >> its acl in a single operation. Nor does it let you discover the initia= l=20 >> acl set on a new resource (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3744#section-= 12.3). >> >> With the new extended MKCOL=20 >> (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-daboo-webdav-mkcol), it is now=20 >> possible to set properties and create a collection in one single opera= tion. >> By setting the DAV:acl property among those properties, one can achiev= e=20 >> an atomic (MKCOL + ACL). >> I think no WebDAV specification prevents a server from allowing this=20 >> (especially given that the WebDAV ACL spec precedes extended MKCOL dra= ft). >> But isn't it something that would be worth mentioning in the extended=20 >> MKCOL spec, either to clarify the expected behavior,... or to discoura= ge=20 >> its use if it is found to be problematic. >> >> Arnaud Q >> >> >> =20 > DAV:acl is a protected property so it shouldn't be possible to set it u= sing the extended MKCOL as far as I can see. > =20 Per the WebDAV Spec: << A protected property is one that cannot be changed with a PROPPATCH request. >> It does not mean that it can not be created or changed by another command. Actually, the CALDAV:supported-calendar-component-set property of the=20 CalDAV Spec exposes that behavior: it is protected but can be initially=20 set via the MKCALENDAR method=20 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4791#section-5.2.3) Arnaud Q From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Mon May 12 11:54:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474D43A67C1 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:54:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_SHORT=1.078, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN02=1.666, SARE_SUB_OBFU_Q0=0.303] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HXOXQGMaZTIb for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF603A67E1 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 11:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Jvd7z-0003bR-2e for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 18:52:03 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Jvd7i-0003UO-JN; Mon, 12 May 2008 18:51:46 +0000 Received: from mail1.chtech.com.br ([201.63.24.130]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Jvd7S-0002ZJ-4H; Mon, 12 May 2008 18:51:38 +0000 Received: from 123412 (201-42-130-242.dsl.telesp.net.br [201.42.130.242]) by mail1.chtech.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id D9B39A5B75; Mon, 12 May 2008 15:50:07 -0300 (BRT) From: "Dra. 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From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Wed May 14 07:13:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C42E3A6927 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 07:13:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.385 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.385 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.314, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wd8Pk5yuZoOb for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 07:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98DFC3A68F4 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 07:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JwHfp-0005FX-9J for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:09:41 +0000 Received: from aji.w3.org ([133.27.228.225]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JwHfo-0005Eo-60 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:09:40 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by aji.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JwHfb-0001vV-LU for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:09:39 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 May 2008 14:08:52 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.107]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp014) with SMTP; 14 May 2008 16:08:52 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18S7gIe48MSmkM865+q5LYeliL2dTRzzl2ZLsCb4C o9CXDUmg253I3A Message-ID: <482AF270.9050107@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:08:48 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wilfredo_S=E1nchez_Vega?= CC: WebDAV References: <20080513233447.A336B3A6946@core3.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: aji.w3.org 1JwHfb-0001vV-LU 7213c51b91e94ada69138ff86fa159a6 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sanchez-webdav-current-principal-00 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12844 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:09:41 +0000 Wilfredo Sánchez Vega wrote: > > Cyrus and I have submitted a draft for a property that lets a client > determine which principal the server thinks the client is using in a > request. > ... Looks good so far. Nit: "Definition: DAV:href value: a URL to a principal resource" -- Not sure why you use the DAV: prefix for the child elements here, this seems to be inconsistent. I'd also recommend making the DTD fragments valid, for example: BR, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Wed May 14 12:25:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBEC3A6907 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 12:25:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.224 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.224 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.225, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vSmmVSPn2ZpS for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 12:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7872F3A6781 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 12:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JwMYO-0000wC-EL for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:22:20 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JwMYN-0000vV-Ec for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:22:19 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by lisa.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JwMYG-00024h-Od for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:22:18 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 May 2008 19:21:38 -0000 Received: from mnsr-d9b8cea2.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO [217.184.206.162]) [217.184.206.162] by mail.gmx.net (mp007) with SMTP; 14 May 2008 21:21:38 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18xO5EKCeAxmxanBycQUMjUFsSZwkXTc6aRfFc3bo z6HplfmoFI9nH2 Message-ID: <482B3A71.7000703@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:16:01 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Geoffrey M Clemm CC: Konstantin Breu , acl@webdav.org, 'WebDAV' , w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=27Wilfredo_S=E1nchez_V?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ega=27?= References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: lisa.w3.org 1JwMYG-00024h-Od 6629454f2146cdd7e8222f21e72cb79e X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: AW: DAV:principal-URL Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12845 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:22:20 +0000 Geoffrey M Clemm wrote: > > So here's the problem: The primary purpose of the DAV:principal-URL is > to specify the "identity" of a principal (so you can use it to check for > equality). But you might not have an HTTP URI that can be used as the > "identity" (you might need to use some URN URI, for example). So you > might be forced to use a non-HTTP URL in the DAV:principal-URL property. Not totally convinced. If you can make a URN work, you can probably make an HTTP URI work as well. Maybe not a pretty one, though. But anyway... > So the spec says that there must be an HTTP URL for a principal, but it > does not require that the HTTP URL be the one that appears in the > DAV:principal-URL property. > > At least that's how I remember it ... I could of course be wrong (it's > been a while :-). OK, let's start with the assumption that you are right, usually a safe position :-). The spec say that the principal-URL must be used in ACL requests. Does this also mean it will be the one that will be used in the Access Control Properties, such as DAV:acl? I would think so, otherwise roundtripping will be messy... If this is the case, the only way to actually get to the HTTP principal URL the spec requires in to use one of the reports, such as DAV:principal-property-search? If yes, I'd argue we probably write down an example showing how to do that, and add that to RFC3744bis... BR, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Wed May 14 12:33:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB61C3A6891 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 12:33:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.148 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.148 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jt2jLeTo22QD for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 12:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82B23A688C for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 12:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JwMhY-0005Sq-OM for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:31:48 +0000 Received: from aji.w3.org ([133.27.228.225]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JwMhX-0005Rs-IQ; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:31:47 +0000 Received: from e5.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.145]) by aji.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JwMhQ-0005np-DF; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:31:46 +0000 Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e5.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4EJV28N012859; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:31:02 -0400 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (d01av02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.216]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v8.7) with ESMTP id m4EJV2CN147068; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:31:02 -0400 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m4EJV1OO022769; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:31:02 -0400 Received: from d01ml261.pok.ibm.com (d01ml261.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.97]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m4EJV1gu022755; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:31:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <482B3A71.7000703@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke Cc: acl@webdav.org, Konstantin Breu , "'WebDAV'" , w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org, "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?'Wilfredo_S=E1nchez_Vega'?=" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Geoffrey M Clemm Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:31:01 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML261/01/M/IBM(Release 8.0|August 02, 2007) at 05/14/2008 15:31:01, Serialize complete at 05/14/2008 15:31:01 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 006B34B885257449_=" Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.6 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: aji.w3.org 1JwMhQ-0005np-DF c05b6b9c938cc9d807dda66ade8b1f53 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: AW: DAV:principal-URL Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12846 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:31:48 +0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006B34B885257449_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" If we believe that it is reasonable to require that the DAV:principal-URL be an HTTP URL, then I'm fine with just requiring this in RFC3774bis. If we don't require that, then I don't think we can require that there be a way to "find" that principal, since as you say, if you can find it using the information in the DAV:principal-URL, you should have been able to format that information as an HTTP URL. Cheers, Geoff w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org wrote on 05/14/2008 03:16:01 PM: > > Geoffrey M Clemm wrote: > > > > So here's the problem: The primary purpose of the DAV:principal-URL is > > to specify the "identity" of a principal (so you can use it to check for > > equality). But you might not have an HTTP URI that can be used as the > > "identity" (you might need to use some URN URI, for example). So you > > might be forced to use a non-HTTP URL in the DAV:principal-URL property. > > Not totally convinced. If you can make a URN work, you can probably make > an HTTP URI work as well. Maybe not a pretty one, though. But anyway... > > > So the spec says that there must be an HTTP URL for a principal, but it > > does not require that the HTTP URL be the one that appears in the > > DAV:principal-URL property. > > > > At least that's how I remember it ... I could of course be wrong (it's > > been a while :-). > > OK, let's start with the assumption that you are right, usually a safe > position :-). > > The spec say that the principal-URL must be used in ACL requests. Does > this also mean it will be the one that will be used in the Access > Control Properties, such as DAV:acl? I would think so, otherwise > roundtripping will be messy... > > If this is the case, the only way to actually get to the HTTP principal > URL the spec requires in to use one of the reports, such as > DAV:principal-property-search? If yes, I'd argue we probably write down > an example showing how to do that, and add that to RFC3744bis... > > BR, Julian > > > > --=_alternative 006B34B885257449_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
If we believe that it is reasonable to require that the DAV:principal-URL be an HTTP URL, then I'm fine with just requiring this in RFC3774bis.
If we don't require that, then I don't think we can require that there be a way to "find" that principal, since as you say, if you can find it using the information in the DAV:principal-URL, you should have been able to format that information as an HTTP URL.

Cheers,
Geoff

w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org wrote on 05/14/2008 03:16:01 PM: > > Geoffrey M Clemm wrote: > > > > So here's the problem: The primary purpose of the DAV:principal-URL is > > to specify the "identity" of a principal (so you can use it to check for > > equality). But you might not have an HTTP URI that can be used as the > > "identity" (you might need to use some URN URI, for example). So you > > might be forced to use a non-HTTP URL in the DAV:principal-URL property. > > Not totally convinced. If you can make a URN work, you can probably make > an HTTP URI work as well. Maybe not a pretty one, though. But anyway... > > > So the spec says that there must be an HTTP URL for a principal, but it > > does not require that the HTTP URL be the one that appears in the > > DAV:principal-URL property. > > > > At least that's how I remember it ... I could of course be wrong (it's > > been a while :-). > > OK, let's start with the assumption that you are right, usually a safe > position :-). > > The spec say that the principal-URL must be used in ACL requests. Does > this also mean it will be the one that will be used in the Access > Control Properties, such as DAV:acl? I would think so, otherwise > roundtripping will be messy... > > If this is the case, the only way to actually get to the HTTP principal > URL the spec requires in to use one of the reports, such as > DAV:principal-property-search? If yes, I'd argue we probably write down > an example showing how to do that, and add that to RFC3744bis... > > BR, Julian > > > > --=_alternative 006B34B885257449_=-- From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Wed May 14 13:19:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCE13A6781 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:19:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WzLgSiCvc2+x for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF2F3A681F for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JwNQE-0005lR-2F for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:17:58 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JwNQD-0005kR-5K for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:17:57 +0000 Received: from daboo.name ([151.201.22.177]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JwNQ7-0004KA-Uc for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:17:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED63F74EF4F; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:17:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1hP97s12ZM16; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caldav.corp.apple.com (unknown [17.101.32.44]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43B774EF47; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:17:16 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Geoffrey M Clemm , Julian Reschke cc: acl@webdav.org, Konstantin Breu , 'WebDAV' , =?UTF-8?Q?'Wilfredo_S=C3=A1nchez_Vega'?= Message-ID: <88045FA6253BCEB763E06402@caldav.corp.apple.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: lisa.w3.org 1JwNQ7-0004KA-Uc 2d89ec5f37f1cc181fb70722a9444949 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: AW: DAV:principal-URL Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12847 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:17:58 +0000 Hi Geoffrey, --On May 14, 2008 3:31:01 PM -0400 Geoffrey M Clemm wrote: > If we believe that it is reasonable to require that the DAV:principal-URL > be an HTTP URL, then I'm fine with just requiring this in RFC3774bis. > If we don't require that, then I don't think we can require that there be > a way to "find" that principal, since as you say, if you can find it > using the information in the DAV:principal-URL, you should have been able > to format that information as an HTTP URL. 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Which is the good practice to go for implementation. I am using tomcat for deploying my application. Currently we are supporting WebDAV for windows through IE. We are planning to support WebDAV clients like Xythos and Mac OS finder etc -- Thanks and Regards Hanmayya Udgiri ------=_Part_4451_29551080.1211305388929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi
I am looking to implementing WebDAV which supports multiple WebDAV clients.
Which is the good practice to go for implementation.
I am using tomcat for deploying my application.
Currently we are supporting WebDAV for windows through IE.
We are planning to support WebDAV clients like Xythos and Mac OS finder etc

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Thanks and Regards
Hanmayya Udgiri ------=_Part_4451_29551080.1211305388929-- From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue May 20 20:41:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E1B28C396 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:41:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GoY0Jw++u3mh for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9354728E30D for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 13:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JyYLt-00060v-7d for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:22:29 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JyYLs-00060G-7d for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:22:28 +0000 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.187]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JyYLd-0004Ct-IS for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:22:28 +0000 Received: from [84.187.45.206] (p54BB2DCE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.187.45.206]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1JyYL12sFz-0007CQ; Tue, 20 May 2008 22:21:36 +0200 Message-ID: <483332C7.2010109@onlinehome.de> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:21:27 +0200 From: Werner Baumann User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de-AT; rv:1.8.0.14eol) Gecko/20070505 Iceape/1.0.9 (Debian-1.0.13~pre080323b-0etch3) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hanmay Udgiri CC: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19wXYQV2NtbcqnOCsq2D5Qkv5Ci9ks0zTFiUhv mEDMQGukrpG9qdDcQZ04lCs4qKT8jOdPtL8bEYDAKsDXyrNctC pBHy4lBL4hQ27GvdeelhA== Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: neutral X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: lisa.w3.org 1JyYLd-0004Ct-IS 44b3eac2b6c12c2f03a248d257c21ccf X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Implementing WebDAV for different WebDAV clients Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12850 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 20:22:29 +0000 Hanmay Udgiri wrote: > Hi > I am looking to implementing WebDAV which supports multiple WebDAV clients. > Which is the good practice to go for implementation. > I am using tomcat for deploying my application. > Currently we are supporting WebDAV for windows through IE. > We are planning to support WebDAV clients like Xythos and Mac OS finder etc > Why not just start supporting the standards? If there should be problems with certain clients, you may decide whether to help debugging the clients or provide a workaround. Still better: why don't you take an existing server. Or help make it better? As developer of a WebDAV-client I am fed up with broken servers. Just had to answer an help-request, because they can't even implement HEAD according to the standards. You are using tomcat. What is wrong with Jigsaw (http://www.w3.org/Jigsaw/)? Can you improve it? Cheers Werner From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue May 20 20:44:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1F728C2AC for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:44:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WxQqJ3QnribR for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B63B28DB39 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 10:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JyVui-0007Kz-3A for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 17:46:16 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JyVuh-0007KF-4o for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 17:46:15 +0000 Received: from mail-out4.apple.com ([17.254.13.23]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JyVuY-0003tu-8M for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 17:46:15 +0000 Received: from relay12.apple.com (relay12.apple.com [17.128.113.53]) by mail-out4.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7302D8ED04; Tue, 20 May 2008 10:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay12.apple.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by relay12.apple.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 43629464004; Tue, 20 May 2008 10:45:32 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807135-aa1bcbb000000d04-de-48330e3c13d2 Received: from pucca.apple.com (pucca.apple.com [17.224.20.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay12.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with ESMTP id 1FC45420003; Tue, 20 May 2008 10:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Geoffrey M Clemm , Julian Reschke , acl@webdav.org, Konstantin Breu , "'WebDAV'" Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wilfredo_S=E1nchez_Vega?= To: Cyrus Daboo In-Reply-To: <88045FA6253BCEB763E06402@caldav.corp.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:45:31 -0700 References: <88045FA6253BCEB763E06402@caldav.corp.apple.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: neutral X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: lisa.w3.org 1JyVuY-0003tu-8M 66b79bf0b95cd4d7eb7bd32d33384ec7 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: AW: DAV:principal-URL Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12848 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:46:16 +0000 The reason I brought this up was that is affects draft-sanchez- webdav-current-principal-00 which I submitted. I had hoped to require that the principal URL returned in the current-user-principal-resource property MUST be the same as the principal-url property on the resource at that URL. That would avoid requiring a client from having to fetch the current-user-principal- resource property on a DAV resource, then fetch the principal-url from there in order to know what to use in ACEs. That's only feasible if the principal-url property must also be an http(s) URL. -wsv From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Wed May 21 07:02:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2547D3A6A8F for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 07:02:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 43OaRQ-kT9eC for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 07:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555923A6A22 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 07:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JyorI-0001DA-QE for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 21 May 2008 14:00:00 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JyorH-0001CV-LC for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 21 May 2008 13:59:59 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by lisa.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Jyor7-0000jO-W7 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 21 May 2008 13:59:59 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 May 2008 13:59:16 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.107]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp004) with SMTP; 21 May 2008 15:59:16 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18mZRNnI4km3Xd1I7uNkcB2WsiJ5aQxlSv/15KF2U 5JuTk3bSXY+ufY Message-ID: <48342AAD.5010404@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:59:09 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wilfredo_S=E1nchez_Vega?= CC: Cyrus Daboo , Geoffrey M Clemm , acl@webdav.org, Konstantin Breu , 'WebDAV' References: <88045FA6253BCEB763E06402@caldav.corp.apple.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: lisa.w3.org 1Jyor7-0000jO-W7 54c8f9e5928096286ff4e6ec3eff97a5 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: AW: DAV:principal-URL Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12851 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:00:00 +0000 Wilfredo Sánchez Vega wrote: > > The reason I brought this up was that is affects > draft-sanchez-webdav-current-principal-00 which I submitted. > > I had hoped to require that the principal URL returned in the > current-user-principal-resource property MUST be the same as the > principal-url property on the resource at that URL. That would avoid > requiring a client from having to fetch the > current-user-principal-resource property on a DAV resource, then fetch > the principal-url from there in order to know what to use in ACEs. > That's only feasible if the principal-url property must also be an > http(s) URL. Let's assume that the principal URL can be something like a mailto: URL. As far as I understand, RFC 3744 requires to use the principal URL in the ACL request, and it would be very strange if it didn't come back in the DAV:acl property. So assuming we'd have a mailto URL in all these places, how can a client - in general - find the associated HTTP URL? The DAV:principal-property-search report *could* do that, as long as the server supports searching on the DAV:principal-URL property. Geoff said: GC> If we believe that it is reasonable to require that the DAV:principal-URL be an HTTP URL, then I'm fine with just requiring this in RFC3774bis. GC> If we don't require that, then I don't think we can require that there be a way to "find" that principal, since as you say, if you can find it using the information in the DAV:principal-URL, you should have been able to format that information as an HTTP URL. ...so I'm really tempted to state that, after all, the principal URL needs to be an HTTP URL. However, Section 2 states: "A URI of any scheme MAY be used to identify a principal resource. However, servers implementing this specification MUST expose principal resources at an http(s) URL, which is a privileged scheme that points to resources that have additional properties, as described in Section 4. So, a principal resource can have multiple URIs, one of which has to be an http(s) scheme URL. Although an implementation SHOULD support PROPFIND and MAY support PROPPATCH to access and modify information about a principal, it is not required to do so." So if a server chooses not to fulfill "SHOULD support PROPFIND", what would that buy us? Is anybody aware of a server that exposes principals as non-HTTP resources, or as HTTP resources not supporting PROPFIND? Going back to Wilfredo's mail...: > I had hoped to require that the principal URL returned in the > current-user-principal-resource property MUST be the same as the > principal-url property on the resource at that URL. That would avoid > requiring a client from having to fetch the > current-user-principal-resource property on a DAV resource, then fetch > the principal-url from there in order to know what to use in ACEs. > That's only feasible if the principal-url property must also be an > http(s) URL. Why wouldn't that work for servers that in fact do not have any WebDAV enabled principal resources? 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The > DAV:principal-property-search report *could* do that, as long as the > server supports searching on the DAV:principal-URL property. Right, and having to do that query, which may not be supported anyway, doesn't seem like a good solution. > Geoff said: > > GC> If we believe that it is reasonable to require that the > DAV:principal-URL be an HTTP URL, then I'm fine with just requiring > this in RFC3774bis. > GC> If we don't require that, then I don't think we can require that > there be a way to "find" that principal, since as you say, if you > can find it using the information in the DAV:principal-URL, you > should have been able to format that information as an HTTP URL. > > ...so I'm really tempted to state that, after all, the principal URL > needs to be an HTTP URL. Agreed. > However, Section 2 states: > > "A URI of any scheme MAY be used to identify a principal resource. > However, servers implementing this specification MUST expose > principal resources at an http(s) URL, which is a privileged scheme > that points to resources that have additional properties, as > described in Section 4. So, a principal resource can have multiple > URIs, one of which has to be an http(s) scheme URL. Although an > implementation SHOULD support PROPFIND and MAY support PROPPATCH to > access and modify information about a principal, it is not required > to do so." > > So if a server chooses not to fulfill "SHOULD support PROPFIND", > what would that buy us? I guess I can only be concerned about those who do, since there is little point in getting a principal URI if you can't query it for information, other than to use it in ACEs, but I think such use is limited unless you have some way to map principal URLs to something you know about. > Going back to Wilfredo's mail...: > > > I had hoped to require that the principal URL returned in the > > current-user-principal-resource property MUST be the same as the > > principal-url property on the resource at that URL. That would > avoid > > requiring a client from having to fetch the > > current-user-principal-resource property on a DAV resource, then > fetch > > the principal-url from there in order to know what to use in ACEs. > > That's only feasible if the principal-url property must also be an > > http(s) URL. > > Why wouldn't that work for servers that in fact do not have any > WebDAV enabled principal resources? I agree with your comments, but don't understand this question. 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It seems there was some confusion about what level 3 actually is: I think this is a big error, requiring all that stuff. Consider if one would want to implement read-only CardDAV implementation. 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It offers excellent quality timepieces at unsurpassed prices; a privacy-assured guarantee, incomparable customer service, and what's better: 15% off when you buy two watches! http://vitivowemyd70.blogspot.com/ From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Fri May 23 02:43:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABCD3A6B14 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 02:43:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.162 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.162 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.438, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rmkx8TmTRu1i for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 02:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6873A6996 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 02:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzTmG-0005il-BA for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 09:41:32 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzTmC-0005i2-4y for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 09:41:28 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by maggie.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzTm3-0007T5-B4 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 09:41:27 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 May 2008 09:40:48 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.107]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp040) with SMTP; 23 May 2008 11:40:48 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/MKD9jf0PMpM3TXrkWjRYalIPfCPtspcxD3x0jiL pB+Jp3Z+dBQhNW Message-ID: <4836911C.5050906@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:40:44 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Petr Tomasek CC: WebDAV References: <47DBAB30.1060306@gmx.de> <20080522195536.GA2087@ebed.etf.cuni.cz> In-Reply-To: <20080522195536.GA2087@ebed.etf.cuni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1JzTm3-0007T5-B4 d11e20003d1d5eabbf7e850ee5cec2d7 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Thoughts on relation to WebDAV Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12854 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:41:32 +0000 Petr Tomasek wrote: > On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 11:55:44AM +0100, Julian Reschke wrote: >> Hi, >> >> here are a few thoughts about how to handle the WebDAV dependencies of >> CardDAV (mostly based on what was discussed in the VCARDDAV WG meeting >> in Philadelphia): >> >> 1) WebDAV base requirements >> >> I think CardDAV should require WebDAV level 3 support, as defined by RFC >> 4918. It seems there was some confusion about what level 3 actually is: > > I think this is a big error, requiring all that stuff. Consider if one > would want to implement read-only CardDAV implementation. > Why should one worry about locking, MKCOL and the other stuff? In that case you would simply return 403 Forbidden. Anyway, what does this have to do with the question whether CardDAV should require level 1 or level 3? BR, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Fri May 23 04:12:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCC63A6C90 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 04:12:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z5G3ggCM2kmH for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 04:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5E23A6C8D for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 04:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzVBF-00028Y-D6 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 11:11:25 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzVBE-00027u-8M for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 11:11:24 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by maggie.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzVB5-0002qb-Ex for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 11:11:23 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 May 2008 11:10:44 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.107]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp026) with SMTP; 23 May 2008 13:10:44 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Zpwxio9oZ/zU03TEWpiLRZkzSRoyEDlAekv12ov 3y5pVMuOiWz6V9 Message-ID: <4836A631.7030909@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:10:41 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wilfredo_S=E1nchez_Vega?= CC: Cyrus Daboo , Geoffrey M Clemm , acl@webdav.org, Konstantin Breu , 'WebDAV' References: <88045FA6253BCEB763E06402@caldav.corp.apple.com> <48342AAD.5010404@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1JzVB5-0002qb-Ex 4c8f861072c603756139c08b20e42a56 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: AW: DAV:principal-URL Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12855 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:11:25 +0000 Wilfredo Sánchez Vega wrote: >> Going back to Wilfredo's mail...: >> >> > I had hoped to require that the principal URL returned in the >> > current-user-principal-resource property MUST be the same as the >> > principal-url property on the resource at that URL. That would avoid >> > requiring a client from having to fetch the >> > current-user-principal-resource property on a DAV resource, then fetch >> > the principal-url from there in order to know what to use in ACEs. >> > That's only feasible if the principal-url property must also be an >> > http(s) URL. >> >> Why wouldn't that work for servers that in fact do not have any WebDAV >> enabled principal resources? > > I agree with your comments, but don't understand this question. > There's no point in trying to discover the URL to your principal > resource if the server doesn't support them, since it wouldn't implement > the extension I proposed. Hm. OK, let's assume a server that has only one URI per principal, and that URI is a mailto URI. Obviously, you wouldn't able to PROPFIND the DAV:principal-URL property. The mailto URIs would be exposed in ACLs. DAV:current-user-principal-resource (*) would show expose the mailto URI. So, what would be the problem here with respect to your extension BR, Julian PS: I don't think that would be a terrible useful impl, I'm just trying to understand your previous statement about needing HTTP URIs for your extension. (*) Shouldn't that be "DAV:current-user-principal-URL", by the way? From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Fri May 23 05:01:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57FAB3A6BDA for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 05:01:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fx57ux9y2sBU for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 05:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58AED3A6BD1 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 05:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzVxH-0005x7-75 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 12:01:03 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzVxG-0005w4-4T for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 12:01:02 +0000 Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca ([206.123.31.2]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzVx2-0000K6-Ou for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 12:01:02 +0000 Received: by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix, from userid 8) id C1A2C29E14A5; Fri, 23 May 2008 08:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringo.viagenie.ca (ringo.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:c000::67]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D3E29E1493 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 08:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Simon Perreault Organization: =?iso-8859-1?q?Viag=E9nie?= To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 08:00:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <47DBAB30.1060306@gmx.de> <20080522195536.GA2087@ebed.etf.cuni.cz> In-Reply-To: <20080522195536.GA2087@ebed.etf.cuni.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200805230800.11458.simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: lisa.w3.org 1JzVx2-0000K6-Ou 04d7d685ab9f05ef305da4f0d9f6e892 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Thoughts on relation to WebDAV Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12856 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:01:03 +0000 On Thursday 22 May 2008 15:55:36 Petr Tomasek wrote: > > I think CardDAV should require WebDAV level 3 support, as defined by RFC > > 4918. It seems there was some confusion about what level 3 actually is: > > I think this is a big error, requiring all that stuff. Consider if one > would want to implement read-only CardDAV implementation. > Why should one worry about locking, MKCOL and the other stuff? I think you're confused (as I was) about what class 3 implies. It does *not* imply locking. This is the very confusion that Julian is talking about. I wonder where you got the strange idea that class 3 would include MKCOL. :) From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Fri May 23 06:23:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEA928C26B for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 06:23:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R1w6qh1nurtS for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 06:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A8A28C264 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 06:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzXDO-0000KB-W9 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:21:47 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzXDN-0000JR-Qr for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:21:45 +0000 Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca ([206.123.31.2]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzXDE-0000rJ-Qc for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:21:45 +0000 Received: by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix, from userid 8) id A25CE29E14A5; Fri, 23 May 2008 09:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringo.viagenie.ca (ringo.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:c000::67]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995DA29E1493 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 09:21:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Simon Perreault Organization: =?iso-8859-1?q?Viag=E9nie?= To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:21:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <47DBAB30.1060306@gmx.de> <20080522195536.GA2087@ebed.etf.cuni.cz> <200805230800.11458.simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <200805230800.11458.simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200805230921.06408.simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1JzXDE-0000rJ-Qc 38a3f8b5752a686a95e62702861b4c6c X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Thoughts on relation to WebDAV Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12857 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:21:46 +0000 On Friday 23 May 2008 08:00:11 Simon Perreault wrote: > I wonder where you got the strange idea that class 3 would include MKCOL. > :) Woah, that didn't make a lot of sense. Let's try again: I wonder where you got the strange idea that class *1* would *not* include MKCOL. :) ...sleepy... From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Fri May 23 06:37:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1ABD28C27B for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 06:37:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id keTP9L4gMLjB for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 06:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2761C28C26C for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 06:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzXSY-0006W4-Hh for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:37:26 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzXSX-0006U4-Ia for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:37:25 +0000 Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com ([72.14.214.228]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzXSN-0001Y0-LA for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:37:25 +0000 Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 40so943828hub.16 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 06:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.125.102.15 with SMTP id e15mr521460mkm.21.1211549809102; Fri, 23 May 2008 06:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?172.16.15.128? ( [212.209.62.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm10571107fks.12.2008.05.23.06.36.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 23 May 2008 06:36:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Henrik Holst To: Simon Perreault Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org In-Reply-To: <200805230921.06408.simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> References: <47DBAB30.1060306@gmx.de> <20080522195536.GA2087@ebed.etf.cuni.cz> <200805230800.11458.simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> <200805230921.06408.simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:36:46 +0200 Message-Id: <1211549806.6184.2.camel@henrik-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1JzXSN-0001Y0-LA b9463203962bfcc23d015e3b689b7fcf X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Thoughts on relation to WebDAV Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12858 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:37:26 +0000 fre 2008-05-23 klockan 09:21 -0400 skrev Simon Perreault: > On Friday 23 May 2008 08:00:11 Simon Perreault wrote: > > I wonder where you got the strange idea that class 3 would include MKCOL. > > :) > > Woah, that didn't make a lot of sense. Let's try again: > > I wonder where you got the strange idea that class *1* would *not* include > MKCOL. :) > > ...sleepy... > There is no MUST in RFC4918 for the MKCOL Method so class 1 does not include MKCOL as far as I can see. /Henrik From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Fri May 23 06:51:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750643A6B3B for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 06:51:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 052uVGj+4cIT for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 06:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD413A6CA0 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 06:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzXfW-0004a1-Ly for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:50:50 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzXfV-0004ZN-V7 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:50:50 +0000 Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca ([206.123.31.2]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JzXfN-00027Z-5w for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:50:49 +0000 Received: by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix, from userid 8) id D3B8229E14AE; Fri, 23 May 2008 09:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringo.viagenie.ca (ringo.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:c000::67]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C998629E1493 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 09:50:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Simon Perreault Organization: =?iso-8859-1?q?Viag=E9nie?= To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:50:14 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <47DBAB30.1060306@gmx.de> <200805230921.06408.simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> <1211549806.6184.2.camel@henrik-desktop> In-Reply-To: <1211549806.6184.2.camel@henrik-desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200805230950.14596.simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1JzXfN-00027Z-5w 7dcc1c9c457cbcd2f8d0b3a077fe7f12 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Thoughts on relation to WebDAV Archived-At: