From owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Tue Feb 1 18:15:07 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA09284 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24437 for ietf-weird-bks; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:04:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from comnet.ca (comnet.ca [207.107.47.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24421 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from iaai.ca (dynamic-576.comnet.ca [206.186.72.132]) by comnet.ca (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA04904 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:06:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <389765CB.12D5BFA8@iaai.ca> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 18:01:31 -0500 From: Bernie Monette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-weird@imc.org Subject: re: Meeting in Adelaide... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although I cannot make it I do have an agenda item. I am curious about the response to the WEIRD page I put up. Feedback etc. Go to http://www.iaai.ca/weird to check it out. Bernie Bernie Monette InterActive Arts Internet Presence Management http://www.iaai.ca mailto:monette@iaai.ca (416) 469-4337 From owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Thu Feb 3 17:00:20 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA00519 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 17:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07034 for ietf-weird-bks; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:51:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [136.182.1.10]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07030 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:51:51 -0800 (PST) Received: [from pobox2.mot.com (pobox2.mot.com [136.182.15.8]) by motgate2.mot.com (VWALL-IN-motgate2 2.0) with ESMTP id OAA26645 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:54:18 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from s-il06al.corp.mot.com (s-il06al.corp.mot.com [199.2.152.60]) by pobox2.mot.com (MOT-pobox2 2.0) with ESMTP id OAA29275 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:54:17 -0700 (MST)] Received: by s-il06al.corp.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 15:54:13 -0600 Message-ID: From: Burke Chris-CCB007 To: "'ietf-weird@imc.org'" Subject: Adelaide Meeting Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 15:54:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Nobody has expressed a preference for when we meet at Adelaide, so I am going to file a request this week as follows: - Single 2 hour slot - Avoid: application area meeting, the other user services working groups, and selected application working group meetings Please write me at Chris.Burke@motorola.com if you want any other parameters on the scheduling request. Chris Burke WIERD Chair From owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Sat Feb 5 20:50:37 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA09114 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11472 for ietf-weird-bks; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 17:45:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from comnet.ca (comnet.ca [207.107.47.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11468 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 17:45:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from iaai.ca (dynamic-615.comnet.ca [206.186.72.171]) by comnet.ca (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA10585; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:47:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <389CD1A6.D30AFDE8@iaai.ca> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 20:43:02 -0500 From: Bernie Monette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darrin , "ietf-weird@imc.org" CC: chris.burke@motorola.com, april_marine@iengines.com Subject: Re: WEIRD template References: <001001bf6f2f$3da91360$eb23fea9@skyler> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! I was responding to a general request by Chris-I was unaware that any work had been done on the templates. In any event what is to be done with the templates? Information? I can't make the meetings but I would like to participate. Bernie Bernie Monette InterActive Arts Internet Presence Management http://www.iaai.ca mailto:monette@iaai.ca (416) 469-4337 Darrin wrote: > > Hi Bernie, > > As far as I know, the template was decided at last years meeting in Oslo. > Here is a snippet from an email to the list from Chris on 9.22.99: > > > To kick-start WEIRD again for the Washington, DC meeting, here are two > > topics for list discussion: > > 1) Follow up on the action items from Oslo. > > 2) A suggestion for new progress the group can make. > > > > Action Items from Oslo: > > > > - We agreed to assemble a core web design team of about 5 people. Status: > I > > have not seen a roster, other than the Oslo result that April Marine and > Bob > > Quinn would participate, and someone would solicit help from Darin Jones > > (who made the prototype at http://www.ravenrock.net/usv/weird.html). Any > > update from the list subscribers? > > I haven't heard anything to the contrary. April? Chris? > > Sincerely, > > Darrin Jones From owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Tue Feb 8 17:12:22 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12618 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:12:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21596 for ietf-weird-bks; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [136.182.1.10]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21592 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:01:23 -0800 (PST) Received: [from pobox2.mot.com (pobox2.mot.com [136.182.15.8]) by motgate2.mot.com (VWALL-IN-motgate2 2.0) with ESMTP id PAA02696 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:04:15 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from s-il06am.corp.mot.com (s-il06am.corp.mot.com [199.5.78.61]) by pobox2.mot.com (MOT-pobox2 2.0) with ESMTP id PAA18249 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:04:14 -0700 (MST)] Received: by s-il06am.corp.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:04:14 -0600 Message-ID: From: Burke Chris-CCB007 To: "'ietf-weird@imc.org'" Subject: Last call for WEIRD drafts for Adelaide! Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:04:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: The WEIRD group hasn't authored any drafts so far, since we're developing web content. If, for some reason, you'd like to write an internet draft for WEIRD, please take note of Steve Coya's reminder that the drafts must be submitted by March 10. The official March 10 deadline does not apply to the "hot topics" write-ups some of you are working on for WEIRD. Still, as a courtesy to others who might want to read the current work on "hot topics" before Adelaide, please try to get your "hot topics" write-ups in by March 15. I have received an early write-up on multicast from Kathy Bosovich, and I am working on a draft on wireless internet, but have not seen any other drafts. Thanks for all your work! I hope to see some of you in Adelaide. Regards, Chris Burke > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Coya [SMTP:scoya@ietf.org] > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 1:11 PM > To: wgchairs@ietf.org > Subject: Getting close to "that" time > > > Greetings, > > The cut-off date for Internet-Drafts prior to the IETF meeting in Adelaide > is March 10. We'll be sending out a notice later this week. > > We (that is, Natalia) processed over 300 I-D submissions the week > following the DC meeting I-D cutoff. One of the problems encountered was > keeping documents in a special holding queue. There were, of course, the > many -00 submissions of draft-ietf-acronym- filename types. > > It was suggested that we require all -00 submissions be sent directly to > the WG chairs (fear not, I explained the reality of things :-). > > Believe me, it IS a hassle trying to process all the I-D submissions and > keep track of all those we must hold while waiting for a WG chair to say > ok (or no way). > > As such, I'm asking chairs to do their best to quickly respond when > queried about -00 submissions. I would also ask that if the chairs are > copied on the original submission, there is no need to wait for Natalia's > query before responding :-) > > If ANYONE has a suggestion on how to we might be able to efficiently > handle initial submissions, please feel free to let me know. > > BTW, moving the deadline back YAW is not a good suggestion, albeit > tempting :-) > > Thanks. > > > Steve > > > > From owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Wed Feb 9 17:48:23 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA26280 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06101 for ietf-weird-bks; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h009.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.198]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06097 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:41:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 13496 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2000 14:44:11 -0800 Date: 9 Feb 2000 14:44:11 -0800 Message-ID: <20000209224411.13494.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Feb 2000 22:44:11 GMT Received: from [216.185.31.62] by mail.giantsfan.com with HTTP; 09 Feb 2000 14:44:11 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-weird@imc.org From: 614275 GIANTS <614275@giantsfan.com> Cc: Chris.Burke@motorola.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.5.0.3 Subject: Copyright Notice "Wireless Giants Design"... (614275) Sender: owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Dear Chris and other 'WEIRD' 1's.... Here is a quick look at something I was hoping Motorola might be able to use effectively as an inroads advertising gimmick in Baseball Broadcast, should they be involved in that in the near future-(Aren't they the ones doing a 'Net similcast of the ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS, the GIANTS minor league team, from the old AIR FORCE 'DARPA' equiprment out of MARCH or BEALE AIR FORCE BASE? If you know more about that please get back with me before the beginning of GIANTS' SPRING TRAINING which begins in PHOENIX, I guess around MARCH 4th? Meanwhile- I recieved no other notice concerning the WEIRD meeting in Adelaide, can I get more details? Is it still on? Thank you, Casey Subject: Copyright Notice "Wireless Giants Design"... (614275) Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 698 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: 614275@giantsfan.com X-Received: 9 Feb 2000 20:29:10 GMT Delivered-To: giantsfan.com%614275@giantsfan.com From: Casey Farrell Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:46:49 -0800 (PST) Cc: oh_yeah_dot_net@yahoo.com Message-Id: <20000209194649.2626.qmail@web1806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: (cpmta 21824 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2000 12:29:10 -0800 from web1806.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.23.49) by smtp.c008.sfo.cp.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 2000 12:29:10 -0800 (qmail 2627 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2000 19:46:49 -0000 from [216.185.31.158] by web1806.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:46:49 PST Casey Farrell; Designer Wednesday San Francisco, California February 9, 2000 RE:Copyright Notice "Wireless Giants Design"...(614275) Please see: http://www.slip.net/~o614275 This designwork concept is explained at some length at these several URLs..... http://www.sfgate.com/vent/giants/messages/7785.shtml http://www.sfgate.com/vent/giants/messages/471.shtml The design is "FOR SALE" -asking price $1,500,000. 614275 Copyright 2000 Casey Farrell ===== Casey Farrell; Information Designer San Francisco oieau@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------- End of forwarded message ------- __________________________________________________________ The Going Away Party! Giants Baseball 1999 Giants Fan Email - Official Email of the San Francisco Giants Get your free Giants Fan Email account http://www.sfgiants.com From owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Wed Feb 9 17:51:17 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA26308 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06183 for ietf-weird-bks; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:47:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ib.rc.vix.com (ib.rc.vix.com [204.152.187.22]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06179 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:47:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from bb.rc.vix.com (bb.rc.vix.com [204.152.187.11]) by ib.rc.vix.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) via ESMTP id OAA13241; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:49:41 -0800 (PST) env-from (April.Marine@nominum.com) Received: from localhost (amarine@localhost) by bb.rc.vix.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) via ESMTP id OAA27360; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:49:41 -0800 (PST) env-from (April.Marine@nominum.com) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:49:41 -0800 (PST) From: April Marine To: 614275 GIANTS <614275@giantsfan.com> cc: ietf-weird@imc.org, Chris.Burke@motorola.com Subject: Re: Copyright Notice "Wireless Giants Design"... (614275) In-Reply-To: <20000209224411.13494.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Casey, there is no bigger Giants fan than I (being a native San Franciscan); however, I must tell you that everything included in this msg except the question about Adelaide is considered spam. Please don't use this list for such off-topic posts, especially commercial ones. WEIRD will be meeting in Adelaide. April On 9 Feb 2000, 614275 GIANTS wrote: > ------- Start of forwarded message ------- > Dear Chris and other 'WEIRD' 1's.... > > Here is a quick look at something I was hoping Motorola might be able to use > effectively as an inroads advertising gimmick in Baseball Broadcast, should they > be involved in that in the near future-(Aren't they the ones doing a 'Net similcast of the ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS, the GIANTS minor league team, from the > old AIR FORCE 'DARPA' equiprment out of MARCH or BEALE AIR FORCE BASE? If you know more about that please get back with me before the beginning of GIANTS' SPRING TRAINING which begins in PHOENIX, I guess around MARCH 4th? Meanwhile- > I recieved no other notice concerning the WEIRD meeting in Adelaide, can I get more details? Is it still on? Thank you, > Casey > > Subject: Copyright Notice > "Wireless Giants Design"... > (614275) > Return-Path: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Length: 698 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > To: 614275@giantsfan.com > X-Received: 9 Feb 2000 20:29:10 GMT > Delivered-To: giantsfan.com%614275@giantsfan.com > From: Casey Farrell > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:46:49 -0800 (PST) > Cc: oh_yeah_dot_net@yahoo.com > Message-Id: <20000209194649.2626.qmail@web1806.mail.yahoo.com> > Received: (cpmta 21824 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2000 12:29:10 -0800 > from web1806.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.23.49) > by smtp.c008.sfo.cp.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 2000 12:29:10 -0800 > (qmail 2627 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2000 19:46:49 -0000 > from [216.185.31.158] by web1806.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:46:49 PST > > Casey Farrell; Designer Wednesday > San Francisco, California February 9, 2000 > > RE:Copyright Notice "Wireless Giants > Design"...(614275) > > Please see: http://www.slip.net/~o614275 > > This designwork concept is explained at some length > at > these several URLs..... > > http://www.sfgate.com/vent/giants/messages/7785.shtml > > http://www.sfgate.com/vent/giants/messages/471.shtml > > The design is "FOR SALE" -asking price $1,500,000. > > 614275 Copyright 2000 Casey Farrell > > ===== > > Casey Farrell; > Information Designer > San Francisco > > oieau@yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > ------- End of forwarded message ------- > > > __________________________________________________________ > The Going Away Party! Giants Baseball 1999 > Giants Fan Email - Official Email of the San Francisco Giants > Get your free Giants Fan Email account http://www.sfgiants.com > > From owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Thu Feb 10 04:25:06 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA17844 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 04:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23766 for ietf-weird-bks; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:16:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.pipemedia.net (IDENT:root@smtp.pipemedia.net [194.207.89.6]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23761 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:16:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from techserv (perle-modem3.pipemedia.net [194.207.89.131] (may be forged)) by smtp.pipemedia.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA11769; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:18:52 GMT Received: from 172.27.1.1 by techserv ([172.27.1.1] running VPOP3) with SMTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:21:16 -0000 Received: by TECHSERV with Microsoft Mail id <01BF73A8.2E82D790@TECHSERV>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:21:16 -0000 Message-ID: <01BF73A8.2E82D790@TECHSERV> From: Philip To: "'April Marine'" , 614275 GIANTS <614275@giantsfan.com> Cc: "ietf-weird@imc.org" , "Chris.Burke@motorola.com" Subject: RE: Copyright Notice "Wireless Giants Design"... (614275) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:21:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.1 - Registered to: CKL!1997 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns.secondary.com id BAA23762 Sender: owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am sorry to have to inform you, but sadly Chris past away on boxing day and is no longer with us. -----Original Message----- From: April Marine [SMTP:April.Marine@nominum.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 10:50 PM To: 614275 GIANTS Cc: ietf-weird@imc.org; Chris.Burke@motorola.com Subject: Re: Copyright Notice "Wireless Giants Design"... (614275) Casey, there is no bigger Giants fan than I (being a native San Franciscan); however, I must tell you that everything included in this msg except the question about Adelaide is considered spam. Please don't use this list for such off-topic posts, especially commercial ones. WEIRD will be meeting in Adelaide. April On 9 Feb 2000, 614275 GIANTS wrote: > ------- Start of forwarded message ------- > Dear Chris and other 'WEIRD' 1's.... > > Here is a quick look at something I was hoping Motorola might be able to use > effectively as an inroads advertising gimmick in Baseball Broadcast, should they > be involved in that in the near future-(Aren't they the ones doing a 'Net similcast of the ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS, the GIANTS minor league team, from the > old AIR FORCE 'DARPA' equiprment out of MARCH or BEALE AIR FORCE BASE? If you know more about that please get back with me before the beginning of GIANTS' SPRING TRAINING which begins in PHOENIX, I guess around MARCH 4th? Meanwhile- > I recieved no other notice concerning the WEIRD meeting in Adelaide, can I get more details? Is it still on? Thank you, > Casey > > Subject: Copyright Notice > "Wireless Giants Design"... > (614275) > Return-Path: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Length: 698 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > To: 614275@giantsfan.com > X-Received: 9 Feb 2000 20:29:10 GMT > Delivered-To: giantsfan.com%614275@giantsfan.com > From: Casey Farrell > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:46:49 -0800 (PST) > Cc: oh_yeah_dot_net@yahoo.com > Message-Id: <20000209194649.2626.qmail@web1806.mail.yahoo.com> > Received: (cpmta 21824 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2000 12:29:10 -0800 > from web1806.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.23.49) > by smtp.c008.sfo.cp.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 2000 12:29:10 -0800 > (qmail 2627 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2000 19:46:49 -0000 > from [216.185.31.158] by web1806.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:46:49 PST > > Casey Farrell; Designer Wednesday > San Francisco, California February 9, 2000 > > RE:Copyright Notice "Wireless Giants > Design"...(614275) > > Please see: http://www.slip.net/~o614275 > > This designwork concept is explained at some length > at > these several URLs..... > > http://www.sfgate.com/vent/giants/messages/7785.shtml > > http://www.sfgate.com/vent/giants/messages/471.shtml > > The design is "FOR SALE" -asking price $1,500,000. > > 614275 Copyright 2000 Casey Farrell > > ===== > > Casey Farrell; > Information Designer > San Francisco > > oieau@yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > ------- End of forwarded message ------- > > > __________________________________________________________ > The Going Away Party! Giants Baseball 1999 > Giants Fan Email - Official Email of the San Francisco Giants > Get your free Giants Fan Email account http://www.sfgiants.com > > From owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Thu Feb 10 14:00:25 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA07611 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:00:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07435 for ietf-weird-bks; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:55:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07429 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:55:16 -0800 (PST) Received: [from pobox2.mot.com (pobox2.mot.com [136.182.15.8]) by ftpbox.mot.com (VWALL-IN-ftpbox 2.0) with ESMTP id LAA14236 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:58:16 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from s-il06am.corp.mot.com (s-il06am.corp.mot.com [199.5.78.61]) by pobox2.mot.com (MOT-pobox2 2.0) with ESMTP id LAA08729 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:58:16 -0700 (MST)] Received: by s-il06am.corp.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:58:16 -0600 Message-ID: From: Burke Chris-CCB007 To: "'Philip'" , "'April Marine'" , 614275 GIANTS <614275@giantsfan.com> Cc: ietf-weird@imc.org Subject: RE: Copyright Notice "Wireless Giants Design"... (614275) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:58:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: What Chris are you talking about? And why are you disrupting this forum? Chris Burke Motorola > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip [SMTP:phil@foxform.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 1:21 AM > To: 'April Marine'; 614275 GIANTS > Cc: ietf-weird@imc.org; Chris.Burke@motorola.com > Subject: RE: Copyright Notice "Wireless Giants Design"... (614275) > > I am sorry to have to inform you, but sadly Chris past away on boxing day > and is no longer with us. > From owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Tue Feb 15 14:25:33 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19423 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00611 for ietf-weird-bks; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:19:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00607 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: [from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by ftpbox.mot.com (VWALL-IN-ftpbox 2.0) with ESMTP id MAA21691 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:23:17 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from s-il06al.corp.mot.com (s-il06al.corp.mot.com [199.2.152.60]) by pobox.mot.com (MOT-pobox 2.0) with ESMTP id MAA01367 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:23:17 -0700 (MST)] Received: by s-il06al.corp.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1Q2DKLBK>; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:23:17 -0600 Message-ID: From: Burke Chris-CCB007 To: "'ietf-weird@imc.org'" Subject: Is Denial of Service a WEIRD Hot Topic? Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:23:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Any thoughts on whether this type of information is worth highlighting on the web site? Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: The IESG [SMTP:iesg-secretary@ietf.org] > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:24 AM > Cc: RFC Editor; Internet Architecture Board > Subject: Protocol Action: Network Ingress Filtering: Defeating Denial > of Service Attacks which employ IP Source Address Spoofing to BCP > > > > The IESG has approved 'Network Ingress Filtering: Defeating Denial of > Service Attacks which employ IP Source Address Spoofing' as a > Best Current Practice. > > The IESG Contact Persons are Randy Bush and Bert Wijnen. > > > Technical Summary > > This document describes recommended router configurations to reduce > likelihood of attacks over the network. It describes how an ISP customer > aggregation router should be configured to prevent a customer from > sending > packets with source addresses from space other than their own. > > Working Group Summary > > This is not the product of a working group, but has been used in > practice, > has passed general IETF last call twice, and is generally considered to > be > good practice. > > Protocol Quality > > This was reviewed for the IESG by Randy Bush. From owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Wed Feb 16 07:05:50 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA23221 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01357 for ietf-weird-bks; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 03:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ops2.nic.mil (ops2.nic.mil [192.112.38.5]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01353 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 03:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (plzak@localhost) by ops2.nic.mil (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA18953; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:58:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:58:56 -0500 (EST) From: Ray Plzak To: Burke Chris-CCB007 cc: "'ietf-weird@imc.org'" Subject: Re: Is Denial of Service a WEIRD Hot Topic? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: While this is certainly the topic d'jour, there are two ways to look at how it can be addressed. First, are putting up a tutorial type of service? If so then maybe what we do is point to the resources that are already there such as the site that Paul Ferguson and Dan Senie have at URL http://www.denialinfo.com/. We don't want to reinvent the wheel. Second, we can highlight IETF activity in this area, of which the message below is a example of one part of the solution to the problem. This has some value in its timeliness, but does not point out all of the discussions about this problem. There are other RFCs and IDs that address aspects of this as well. They should be highlighted as well. A keyword search capability that would find these documents would certainly be helpful here. The effort here is obviously an upfront one to decide how to set up the mechanism - perhaps a web crawler type tool that looks at certain types of info at selected sites - RFCs, IDs, IETF mail list archives, etc. Food for thought. Ray On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Burke Chris-CCB007 wrote: > Any thoughts on whether this type of information is worth highlighting on > the web site? Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: The IESG [SMTP:iesg-secretary@ietf.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:24 AM > > Cc: RFC Editor; Internet Architecture Board > > Subject: Protocol Action: Network Ingress Filtering: Defeating Denial > > of Service Attacks which employ IP Source Address Spoofing to BCP > > > > > > > > The IESG has approved 'Network Ingress Filtering: Defeating Denial of > > Service Attacks which employ IP Source Address Spoofing' as a > > Best Current Practice. > > > > The IESG Contact Persons are Randy Bush and Bert Wijnen. > > > > > > Technical Summary > > > > This document describes recommended router configurations to reduce > > likelihood of attacks over the network. It describes how an ISP customer > > aggregation router should be configured to prevent a customer from > > sending > > packets with source addresses from space other than their own. > > > > Working Group Summary > > > > This is not the product of a working group, but has been used in > > practice, > > has passed general IETF last call twice, and is generally considered to > > be > > good practice. > > > > Protocol Quality > > > > This was reviewed for the IESG by Randy Bush. > From owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Fri Feb 18 19:43:43 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA04517 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09341 for ietf-weird-bks; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:37:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h008.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.197]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA09337 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:37:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 28819 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2000 16:40:54 -0800 Date: 18 Feb 2000 16:40:54 -0800 Message-ID: <20000219004054.28816.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 19 Feb 2000 00:40:54 GMT Received: from [216.185.31.25] by mail.giantsfan.com with HTTP; 18 Feb 2000 16:40:54 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: plzak@ops2.nic.mil From: 614275 GIANTS <614275@giantsfan.com> Cc: Chris.Burke@motorola.com, ietf-weird@imc.org X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.5.0.3 Subject: Re: Is Denial of Service a WEIRD Hot Topic? Or What! Sender: owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I'm sure a lot of designers out there are not familiar with some of the strange ideosynchracies (please correct the spelling?) of the REAL BUSINESS WORLD out there-BUT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT...in SAN FRANCISCO...at the CITY CLERKS's OFFICE which is where you register your DBA...."No NAME is ever turned away..." That is KORRECT! "We can not for reasons heretofor told because it would be big sleaze-ball 'mustachio-Pete' expose...tell you ''why' ANYONE can regoister the NAME of YOUR BUSINESS...on top of it already being registered! If you KNOEW NOTHING of LAW...common sence would tell you...it is wrong, little voice would be saying these are big time Communist Nut Crooks! And such is the situation! The same 'morons' at the LIBRARY of CONGRESS and "INTERNIC" say that they do not know that it is ILLEGAL to register a 'DOT.COM' in the name of FORD MOTOR COMPANY, KELLOGGS, JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY, etc. Now in theis CITY it is BOTH 'legal' and EXPECTED of you to "VOTE EARLY AND OFTEN"..which once was a joke...is NOW A REALITY, just change your hat, go back in and use your 'other' 594 'names!' The freaks who run the City of FRISCO, no longer 'depend' STRICTLY on the "DECEASED" to swing votes...they done everything but move the PEOPLE's REPUBLIC of CHINA here enMasse, to 'vote'...and among the laws this City has, it is 'illegal' to check ID of suspicious people. It is 'illegal' to ask for ID of 'voters'...and so forth. If you think this is odd, MAYOR WILLIE BROWN is described in the Angela Alioto book as being the most highly rewarded person in the history of the tobacco industry, as a PRO-SMOKE lobbyist...the thing is in 'FRISCO" he was awarded the "AMERICA's GREATEST HUMANITARIAN award, by the SAN FRANCISCO CHAPTER of the AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY! So, now you see how that not only are 'dot.coms' Trademarks, Copyrights, etc. all being diluted by NUTS who never invented anything, never wrote a SONG, didn't do diddly,, and THESE are the REAL 'HOGS"...if you really want it to all be FREE...give "YOURS" 1st! (And P.S) Just like the JAPANESE, Bill GATES and STEVE CASE, and LARRY ELLISON contrary to the 'little guys' understanding of everything...did NOT 'invent' ANYTHING...just like STEVE JOBS, GEORGE LUCAS, and Adam Osbourne, and many many others...these guys are just the 'Bull Shit Artists" for their category... "APPLE"...INVENTED BY STEVE.....WOZNIAK! "STAR WARS"...written by CLARK ASHTON SMITH...in 1918!....(Please see Literary World of SAN FRANCISCO) ...and REVEREND MOON was the MARKETEER! Adam Osbourne....talked a staff of 300 women into working for him for FREE for 3-years while he was a BANKRUPT! (Hey, it's a PLUS when you got an ENGLISH ACCENT...so ROMANTIC...but more importantly...in case it all hits the fan...a "BRITISH PASSPORT..in order to flee? fly? flue?... the country!") Steve Case...social workers get the Fed gov. to supply 'dummies' deaf retarded, crippled, and seniors with 'PUTERS...so they have some companionship interest besides...FIDO! Well...'A MIRACLE Un-LINE" worked this way, you sign 'em up like AMWAY, and preach to 'um like it was TUPPERWARE...thing is they would give you a disc for 50 FREE HOURS....right? After that you had to pay a 'phone bill'...so YOUR disc's "DIAL-UP" is in BOSTON...and you live in FRISCO...the guy who lives in NEW YORK...his "DIAL-UP" is LOS ANGELES! The disc 'allowed' your 'PUTER to come on with a slow fuzzy warm glow, which took anywhere from 39-minutes when it was 'hot' to about 3 and a half hours when it was 'not!' The service of course improved just like a CHAIN LETTER...(Not a CHAIN DISCOUNT!)...over time as more 'just plain folks' (Grandma & HELEN KELLER) used it increasingly longer as they tried to figure out what makes it work-and how come their phone was shut off and credit cards cut in half! A perfectly planned PONZI SCHEME for the INTERNET AGE! The several BILLION that these PIGS racked up insured that the 'PHONE co." everywhere would ALWAYS be in 'your pocket'( please see JAMES COBURN in "OUR MAN FLINT" ) Well, enough of that-as most of you have no idea how America was orignally set up as a 'play fair' kind of a place, (we are not talking 'greed' here...these are WAY ILLEGAL PRACTICES...and furthermore, just a few years back may have even come under the investigation of our government as "POSSIBLE MONOPOLISTIC ACTS OF TREASON?"!) What I see for the FUTURE? Weel, first of all they have to 'catch' MICROSOFT for the 'hacker attack!' It was an obvious, the 'attack' was mostly in the Hotmail boxes, and they just wanted to 'close the files' on a couple of thousand 'dreamers' out there who had been putting some cool stuff in their letters...so were put under scrutiny and observation....ILLEGALLY! And that is called....INDUSTRIAL SABOTAGE! ..."No Shit SHERLOCK!" But, when the whole deal quiets down, I am anticipating a major 'crackdown' on 'email' and 'talk' on the 'Net, and more and more 'features' which cost you alot-and you cannot refuse, if you want to stay running! Each 'feature' will be a 'tap'...and the 'feed' will probably go from these GIGANTIC corporations, who will give your personal info to the ever increasing prison population which has been 'GROWN" in order to do "business' at a PROFIT, that is so that the "OLD FORMULA"... "keep 'um barefoot and pregnant!" can be brought forward to keep the MIDDLE CLASS from getting too BIG! A way to have a 'sweatshop' 'Net! Who am I quoting? GEORGE ORWELL! His "1984!" said it all! It has not only ALL COME TRUE...but we are being forced to a reality which needn't be! The 'Net is an ACCIDENTAL BREATH of FRESH AIR for MANKIND! We must keep it FREE and CLEAN! But that means we must do what you would do if you were talking of corn and potaoes out in the country! Nothing but that! Comments? Questions? On Wed, 16 February 2000, Ray Plzak wrote: > In-Reply-To: > Sender: owner-ietf-weird@imc.org > To: Burke Chris-CCB007 > Delivered-To: giantsfan.com%614275@giantsfan.com > Cc: "'ietf-weird@imc.org'" > Received: (cpmta 26714 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2000 04:06:32 -0800 > from ns.secondary.com (208.184.76.39) > by smtp.c008.sfo.cp.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2000 04:06:32 -0800 > by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01357 > for ietf-weird-bks; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 03:56:21 -0800 (PST) > from ops2.nic.mil (ops2.nic.mil [192.112.38.5]) > by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01353 > for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 03:56:14 -0800 (PST) > from localhost (plzak@localhost) > by ops2.nic.mil (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA18953; > Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:58:56 -0500 (EST) > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Length: 2414 > List-Archive: > X-Received: 16 Feb 2000 12:06:32 GMT > Precedence: bulk > List-Unsubscribe: > Subject: Re: Is Denial of Service a WEIRD Hot Topic? > From: Ray Plzak > List-Id: > Return-Path: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:58:56 -0500 (EST) > Message-Id: > > While this is certainly the topic d'jour, there are two ways to look at > how it can be addressed. First, are putting up a tutorial type of > service? If so then maybe what we do is point to the resources that are > already there such as the site that Paul Ferguson and Dan Senie have at > URL http://www.denialinfo.com/. We don't want to reinvent the wheel. > Second, we can highlight IETF activity in this area, of which the message > below is a example of one part of the solution to the problem. This has > some value in its timeliness, but does not point out all of the > discussions about this problem. There are other RFCs and IDs that address > aspects of this as well. They should be highlighted as well. A keyword > search capability that would find these documents would certainly be > helpful here. The effort here is obviously an upfront one to decide how > to set up the mechanism - perhaps a web crawler type tool that looks at > certain types of info at selected sites - RFCs, IDs, IETF mail list > archives, etc. Food for thought. > > Ray > > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Burke Chris-CCB007 wrote: > > > Any thoughts on whether this type of information is worth highlighting on > > the web site? Chris > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From:The IESG [SMTP:iesg-secretary@ietf.org] > > > Sent:Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:24 AM > > > Cc:RFC Editor; Internet Architecture Board > > > Subject:Protocol Action: Network Ingress Filtering: Defeating Denial > > > of Service Attacks which employ IP Source Address Spoofing to BCP > > > > > > > > > > > > The IESG has approved 'Network Ingress Filtering: Defeating Denial of > > > Service Attacks which employ IP Source Address Spoofing' as a > > > Best Current Practice. > > > > > > The IESG Contact Persons are Randy Bush and Bert Wijnen. > > > > > > > > > Technical Summary > > > > > > This document describes recommended router configurations to reduce > > > likelihood of attacks over the network. It describes how an ISP customer > > > aggregation router should be configured to prevent a customer from > > > sending > > > packets with source addresses from space other than their own. > > > > > > Working Group Summary > > > > > > This is not the product of a working group, but has been used in > > > practice, > > > has passed general IETF last call twice, and is generally considered to > > > be > > > good practice. > > > > > > Protocol Quality > > > > > > This was reviewed for the IESG by Randy Bush. > > __________________________________________________________ The Going Away Party! Giants Baseball 1999 Giants Fan Email - Official Email of the San Francisco Giants Get your free Giants Fan Email account http://www.sfgiants.com From owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Tue Feb 22 08:26:38 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA09931 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09013 for ietf-weird-bks; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 05:14:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ops2.nic.mil (ops2.nic.mil [192.112.38.5]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA09001 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 05:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (plzak@localhost) by ops2.nic.mil (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA12427; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:14:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:14:53 -0500 (EST) From: Ray Plzak To: 614275 GIANTS <614275@giantsfan.com> cc: Chris.Burke@motorola.com, ietf-weird@imc.org Subject: Re: Is Denial of Service a WEIRD Hot Topic? Or What! In-Reply-To: <20000219004054.28816.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I should mention one of the available tools is moderated lists. Ray On 18 Feb 2000, 614275 GIANTS wrote: > I'm sure a lot of designers out there are not familiar with some of the strange > ideosynchracies (please correct the spelling?) of the REAL BUSINESS WORLD out there-BUT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT...in SAN FRANCISCO...at the CITY CLERKS's OFFICE > which is where you register your DBA...."No NAME is ever turned away..." That is KORRECT! "We can not for reasons heretofor told because it would be big sleaze-ball 'mustachio-Pete' expose...tell you ''why' ANYONE can regoister the NAME of YOUR BUSINESS...on top of it already being registered! If you KNOEW NOTHING of LAW...common sence would tell you...it is wrong, little voice would > be saying these are big time Communist Nut Crooks! And such is the situation! > The same 'morons' at the LIBRARY of CONGRESS and "INTERNIC" say that they do not know that it is ILLEGAL to register a 'DOT.COM' in the name of FORD MOTOR COMPANY, KELLOGGS, JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY, etc. Now in theis CITY it is BOTH 'legal' and EXPECTED of you to "VOTE EARLY AND OFTEN"..which once was a joke...is NOW A REALITY, just change your hat, go back in and use your 'other' 594 'names!' The freaks who run the City of FRISCO, no longer 'depend' STRICTLY > on the "DECEASED" to swing votes...they done everything but move the PEOPLE's REPUBLIC of CHINA here enMasse, to 'vote'...and among the laws this City has, > it is 'illegal' to check ID of suspicious people. It is 'illegal' to ask for ID > of 'voters'...and so forth. If you think this is odd, MAYOR WILLIE BROWN is > > > On Wed, 16 February 2000, Ray Plzak wrote: > > > In-Reply-To: > > Sender: owner-ietf-weird@imc.org > > To: Burke Chris-CCB007 > > Delivered-To: giantsfan.com%614275@giantsfan.com > > Cc: "'ietf-weird@imc.org'" > > Received: (cpmta 26714 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2000 04:06:32 -0800 > > from ns.secondary.com (208.184.76.39) > > by smtp.c008.sfo.cp.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2000 04:06:32 -0800 > > by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01357 > > for ietf-weird-bks; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 03:56:21 -0800 (PST) > > from ops2.nic.mil (ops2.nic.mil [192.112.38.5]) > > by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01353 > > for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 03:56:14 -0800 (PST) > > from localhost (plzak@localhost) > > by ops2.nic.mil (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA18953; > > Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:58:56 -0500 (EST) > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Content-Length: 2414 > > List-Archive: > > X-Received: 16 Feb 2000 12:06:32 GMT > > Precedence: bulk > > List-Unsubscribe: > > Subject: Re: Is Denial of Service a WEIRD Hot Topic? > > From: Ray Plzak > > List-Id: > > Return-Path: > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:58:56 -0500 (EST) > > Message-Id: > > > > While this is certainly the topic d'jour, there are two ways to look at > > how it can be addressed. First, are putting up a tutorial type of > > service? If so then maybe what we do is point to the resources that are > > already there such as the site that Paul Ferguson and Dan Senie have at > > URL http://www.denialinfo.com/. We don't want to reinvent the wheel. > > Second, we can highlight IETF activity in this area, of which the message > > below is a example of one part of the solution to the problem. This has > > some value in its timeliness, but does not point out all of the > > discussions about this problem. There are other RFCs and IDs that address > > aspects of this as well. They should be highlighted as well. A keyword > > search capability that would find these documents would certainly be > > helpful here. The effort here is obviously an upfront one to decide how > > to set up the mechanism - perhaps a web crawler type tool that looks at > > certain types of info at selected sites - RFCs, IDs, IETF mail list > > archives, etc. Food for thought. > > > > Ray > > > > > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Burke Chris-CCB007 wrote: > > > > > Any thoughts on whether this type of information is worth highlighting on > > > the web site? Chris > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From:The IESG [SMTP:iesg-secretary@ietf.org] > > > > Sent:Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:24 AM > > > > Cc:RFC Editor; Internet Architecture Board > > > > Subject:Protocol Action: Network Ingress Filtering: Defeating Denial > > > > of Service Attacks which employ IP Source Address Spoofing to BCP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The IESG has approved 'Network Ingress Filtering: Defeating Denial of > > > > Service Attacks which employ IP Source Address Spoofing' as a > > > > Best Current Practice. > > > > > > > > The IESG Contact Persons are Randy Bush and Bert Wijnen. > > > > > > > > > > > > Technical Summary > > > > > > > > This document describes recommended router configurations to reduce > > > > likelihood of attacks over the network. It describes how an ISP customer > > > > aggregation router should be configured to prevent a customer from > > > > sending > > > > packets with source addresses from space other than their own. > > > > > > > > Working Group Summary > > > > > > > > This is not the product of a working group, but has been used in > > > > practice, > > > > has passed general IETF last call twice, and is generally considered to > > > > be > > > > good practice. > > > > > > > > Protocol Quality > > > > > > > > This was reviewed for the IESG by Randy Bush. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > The Going Away Party! Giants Baseball 1999 > Giants Fan Email - Official Email of the San Francisco Giants > Get your free Giants Fan Email account http://www.sfgiants.com > > From owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Tue Feb 22 10:11:17 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11872 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10638 for ietf-weird-bks; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:04:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from rgfsparc.cr.usgs.gov (rgfsparc.cr.usgs.gov [136.177.164.192]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10634 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:04:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from rgfsparc.cr.usgs.gov (rgfsparc.cr.usgs.gov [136.177.164.192]) by rgfsparc.cr.usgs.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA04214 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:08:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200002221508.JAA04214@rgfsparc.cr.usgs.gov> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:08:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert G. Ferrell" Reply-To: "Robert G. Ferrell" Subject: Re: Is Denial of Service a WEIRD Hot Topic? Or What! To: ietf-weird@imc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: 2ev1CiN1UTKmbqzPXUr/hA== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 CDE Version 1.3 SunOS 5.7 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: > I'm sure a lot of designers out there are not familiar with some of the >strange ideosynchracies This disturbed individual haunts several WG lists that I monitor, as well as IETF-Announce. I think a little IP filtering might be in order here. RGF Robert G. Ferrell Information Security Officer National Business Center, US DoI Robert_G_Ferrell@nbc.gov ------------------------------------------------------------ Nothing I have ever said should be construed as even vaguely representing an official statement by the NBC or DoI. ------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Tue Feb 22 11:09:33 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA13770 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:09:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13078 for ietf-weird-bks; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:03:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from isrv3.isc.org (isrv3.isc.org [204.152.184.87]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13072 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:03:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from bb.rc.vix.com (bb.rc.vix.com [204.152.187.11]) by isrv3.isc.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) via ESMTP id IAA25381; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:07:07 -0800 (PST) env-from (April.Marine@nominum.com) Received: from localhost (amarine@localhost) by bb.rc.vix.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) via ESMTP id IAA05475; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:07:07 -0800 (PST) env-from (April.Marine@nominum.com) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:07:07 -0800 (PST) From: April Marine To: Ray Plzak cc: Chris.Burke@motorola.com, WEIRD WG Subject: Re: Is Denial of Service a WEIRD Hot Topic? Or What! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-weird@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 22 Feb 2000, Ray Plzak wrote: > I should mention one of the available tools is moderated lists. > > Ray Good point. I'll ask Paul. A.