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From owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Wed Oct 18 14:52:08 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA15062 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23802 for ietf-weird-bks; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.nominum.com (shell.nominum.com [204.152.187.59]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23798 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.nominum.com (shell.nominum.com [204.152.187.59]) by shell.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853963190E for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: April Marine To: WEIRD WG Subject: San Diego Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: So, what do y'all think about meeting in San Diego? At the last IETF, I asked for some feedback from USWG re whether they thought WEIRD should declare its experiment done and close down, or keep going. The consensus was that many thought WEIRD should keep going. Of course, WEIRD didn't meet last time, so it's not like actually asking the WG itself, so I thought I would ask you yourself. One thing that Chris and I have talked about is getting a co-chair. Is it worth conning, uh, drafting someone to assist our WEIRD leader (couldn't resist that one :-), or do you all feel the WG is a loss? Should we schedule a mtg in San Diego to regroup? Should we put "WEIRD status" on the USWG agenda? Anything we should consider that I haven't? Feedback welcome and requested! thanks, April ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ April Marine Director of Client Services april.marine@nominum.com Nominum, Inc. +1.650.779.6006 From owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Wed Oct 18 15:09:27 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA18226 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24390 for ietf-weird-bks; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgfsparc.cr.usgs.gov (rgfsparc.cr.usgs.gov [136.177.164.192]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24381 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgfsparc.cr.usgs.gov (rgfsparc.cr.usgs.gov [136.177.164.192]) by rgfsparc.cr.usgs.gov (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA05102 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:58:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200010181858.NAA05102@rgfsparc.cr.usgs.gov> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:58:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "Robert G. Ferrell" Reply-To: "Robert G. Ferrell" Subject: Re: San Diego To: ietf-weird@imc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: auLk4HuCAiZq0MkQ1w6Q1w== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 CDE Version 1.3 SunOS 5.7 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: >At the last IETF, I asked for some feedback from USWG re whether they >thought WEIRD should declare its experiment done and close down, or keep >going. The consensus was that many thought WEIRD should keep going. Of >course, WEIRD didn't meet last time, so it's not like actually asking the >WG itself, so I thought I would ask you yourself. I may have missed something back at the beginning, but isn't WEIRD supposed to be an ongoing effort, rather than a goal-oriented task like protocol development? I mean, we can't just up and declare one day that the public are sufficiently elucidated, wash our hands and head home, can we? >One thing that Chris and I have talked about is getting a co-chair. Is it >worth conning, uh, drafting someone to assist our WEIRD leader (couldn't >resist that one :-), or do you all feel the WG is a loss? I should think that the number of responses you get to this query will be a fairly accurate reflection of whether or not the group is defunct. I've forwarded a few "WEIRD Questions" from my Web site to the group and gotten zero response. Not even crickets. From that experience I would have to say that, as a working group, there isn't much to go on here. But maybe it was just bad timing. Cheers, RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Systems Security Officer National Business Center U. S. Dept. of the Interior Robert_G_Ferrell@nbc.gov ======================================== Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed. ======================================== From owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Wed Oct 18 17:10:54 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id RAA03033 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27883 for ietf-weird-bks; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.cn.huc.edu (www.cn.huc.edu [207.78.247.54]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27878 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by PROXY with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:09:29 -0400 Message-ID: <308C3372663DD4119DBD00508B8B89CF23F950@PROXY> From: "Bruggeman, John" To: ietf-weird@imc.org Subject: RE: San Diego Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:09:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Based on this email list I was assuming the list was somewhat dead as well. I haven't heard much here - I thought maybe I was missing something (like some other active list). Perhaps not - is this this only WEIRD mailing list? John -----Original Message----- From: Robert G. Ferrell [mailto:root@rgfsparc.cr.usgs.gov] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:58 PM To: ietf-weird@imc.org Subject: Re: San Diego >At the last IETF, I asked for some feedback from USWG re whether they >thought WEIRD should declare its experiment done and close down, or keep >going. The consensus was that many thought WEIRD should keep going. Of >course, WEIRD didn't meet last time, so it's not like actually asking the >WG itself, so I thought I would ask you yourself. I may have missed something back at the beginning, but isn't WEIRD supposed to be an ongoing effort, rather than a goal-oriented task like protocol development? I mean, we can't just up and declare one day that the public are sufficiently elucidated, wash our hands and head home, can we? >One thing that Chris and I have talked about is getting a co-chair. Is it >worth conning, uh, drafting someone to assist our WEIRD leader (couldn't >resist that one :-), or do you all feel the WG is a loss? I should think that the number of responses you get to this query will be a fairly accurate reflection of whether or not the group is defunct. I've forwarded a few "WEIRD Questions" from my Web site to the group and gotten zero response. Not even crickets. From that experience I would have to say that, as a working group, there isn't much to go on here. But maybe it was just bad timing. Cheers, RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Systems Security Officer National Business Center U. S. Dept. of the Interior Robert_G_Ferrell@nbc.gov ======================================== Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed. ======================================== From owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Wed Oct 18 17:33:16 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id RAA05635 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28410 for ietf-weird-bks; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28405 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: [from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (motgate 2.1) with ESMTP id OAA05622 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:28:09 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from az33exi01.corp.mot.com (az33exi01.corp.mot.com [199.2.84.10]) by pobox.mot.com (MOT-pobox 2.0) with ESMTP id OAA12508 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:28:08 -0700 (MST)] Received: by az33exi01.corp.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id <4Q66QC1Q>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:28:08 -0700 Message-ID: <7DB8A48B5875D411875E00805F77919C8AB17D@az25exm04.geg.mot.com> From: Austin Bill-P23393 To: ietf-weird@imc.org Subject: RE: San Diego Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:28:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: What has the group accomplished? Have we measured the results of those accomplishments? How many visitors per day come to the WEIRD Web site? Is that number increasing or decreasing? What kind of questions and how many questions are asked by visitors at the web site? Is our mailing list for our visitors growing or shrinking in size and how active is the message traffic on that list? How long do visitors to the web site stay and look around? How often do they return? Do they refer other people to the site? How many other web sites link to this one? How well are we placed in search engines for our "targeted" key word and phrases? ... And so forth. ... Lots of questions. Not many answers. How serious do we want to get about this? Bill Austin http://www.motorola.com/aspira/ http://bluetooth.listbot.com/ http://www.egroups.com/group/wirelesslan/ -----Original Message----- From: Bruggeman, John [mailto:jbruggeman@cn.huc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:09 PM To: ietf-weird@imc.org Subject: RE: San Diego Based on this email list I was assuming the list was somewhat dead as well. I haven't heard much here - I thought maybe I was missing something (like some other active list). Perhaps not - is this this only WEIRD mailing list? John -----Original Message----- From: Robert G. Ferrell [mailto:root@rgfsparc.cr.usgs.gov] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:58 PM To: ietf-weird@imc.org Subject: Re: San Diego >At the last IETF, I asked for some feedback from USWG re whether they >thought WEIRD should declare its experiment done and close down, or keep >going. The consensus was that many thought WEIRD should keep going. Of >course, WEIRD didn't meet last time, so it's not like actually asking the >WG itself, so I thought I would ask you yourself. I may have missed something back at the beginning, but isn't WEIRD supposed to be an ongoing effort, rather than a goal-oriented task like protocol development? I mean, we can't just up and declare one day that the public are sufficiently elucidated, wash our hands and head home, can we? >One thing that Chris and I have talked about is getting a co-chair. Is it >worth conning, uh, drafting someone to assist our WEIRD leader (couldn't >resist that one :-), or do you all feel the WG is a loss? I should think that the number of responses you get to this query will be a fairly accurate reflection of whether or not the group is defunct. I've forwarded a few "WEIRD Questions" from my Web site to the group and gotten zero response. Not even crickets. From that experience I would have to say that, as a working group, there isn't much to go on here. But maybe it was just bad timing. Cheers, RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Systems Security Officer National Business Center U. S. Dept. of the Interior Robert_G_Ferrell@nbc.gov ======================================== Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed. ======================================== From owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Wed Oct 18 18:27:15 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA11530 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29541 for ietf-weird-bks; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [136.182.1.10]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29526 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: [from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate2.mot.com (motgate2 2.1) with ESMTP id PAA18929 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:25:55 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from il06exw10.corp.mot.com (il06exw10.corp.mot.com [199.5.78.81]) by pobox.mot.com (MOT-pobox 2.0) with ESMTP id PAA28292 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:25:54 -0700 (MST)] Received: by il06exw10.corp.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id <48D2GSBB>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:24:49 -0500 Message-ID: <034D8B328BD3D311BDC0009027E33C1701754739@il06exm22.corp.mot.com> From: Burke Chris-CCB007 To: "'April Marine'" , WEIRD WG Subject: RE: San Diego Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:24:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Co-Chair might work well here. I've been swamped with work and personal issues for a while now and we've made very little progress, for which I apologize to the WG. I still think the work is worthwhile, and would appreciate the help. Chris -----Original Message----- From: April Marine [mailto:April.Marine@nominum.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:50 AM To: WEIRD WG Subject: San Diego So, what do y'all think about meeting in San Diego? At the last IETF, I asked for some feedback from USWG re whether they thought WEIRD should declare its experiment done and close down, or keep going. The consensus was that many thought WEIRD should keep going. Of course, WEIRD didn't meet last time, so it's not like actually asking the WG itself, so I thought I would ask you yourself. One thing that Chris and I have talked about is getting a co-chair. Is it worth conning, uh, drafting someone to assist our WEIRD leader (couldn't resist that one :-), or do you all feel the WG is a loss? Should we schedule a mtg in San Diego to regroup? Should we put "WEIRD status" on the USWG agenda? Anything we should consider that I haven't? Feedback welcome and requested! thanks, April ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ April Marine Director of Client Services april.marine@nominum.com Nominum, Inc. +1.650.779.6006 From owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 19 04:26:48 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id EAA12682 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14230 for ietf-weird-bks; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marvin.axion.bt.co.uk (marvin.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.16.82]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14226 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:19:28 -0700 (PDT) From: graham.travers@bt.com Received: from chqlubnt02.lon.bt.com by marvin (local) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:23:36 +0100 Received: by chqlubnt02.lon.bt.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) id <4MC6AGH1>; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:23:34 +0100 Message-ID: <451D45016C2CD2119DA50000F8FE7F0705D8ECB1@mlngcbnt01.hc.bt.com> To: April.Marine@nominum.com, ietf-weird@imc.org Subject: WIERD Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:23:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Guys, I didn't attend the Adelaide meeting, and there was no WEIRD meeting in Pittsburgh, so I've lost sight of where we are. Before deciding to wrap up the WG, I'd like to see a review of what progress has been made against the list of objectives that we brainstormed for the WG. If they are all achieved, then termination may be the right option ( although I tend to agree with comments that education is a continuing process ); if not, shouldn't we address what remains to be done ? I would prefer such a review to take place on this list, as I find the USWG meetings usually clash with something else that I have to cover ( hence my ususal no-show ). Regards, Graham Travers IP Standards Co-ordinator aexaCT * Tel: +44 1359 235086 * Mobile: 0780 8502536 > * Fax: +44 1359 235087 * HW B279, P.O. Box 200, London, N18 1ZF * - Email: graham.travers@bt.com > -----Original Message----- > From: April Marine [SMTP:April.Marine@nominum.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 7:50 PM > To: WEIRD WG > Subject: San Diego > > So, what do y'all think about meeting in San Diego? > > At the last IETF, I asked for some feedback from USWG re whether they > thought WEIRD should declare its experiment done and close down, or keep > going. The consensus was that many thought WEIRD should keep going. Of > course, WEIRD didn't meet last time, so it's not like actually asking the > WG itself, so I thought I would ask you yourself. > > One thing that Chris and I have talked about is getting a co-chair. Is it > worth conning, uh, drafting someone to assist our WEIRD leader (couldn't > resist that one :-), or do you all feel the WG is a loss? > > Should we schedule a mtg in San Diego to regroup? > > Should we put "WEIRD status" on the USWG agenda? > > Anything we should consider that I haven't? > > Feedback welcome and requested! > > thanks, > April > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > April Marine > Director of Client Services april.marine@nominum.com > Nominum, Inc. +1.650.779.6006 From owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 19 12:03:17 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA17300 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02858 for ietf-weird-bks; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hilton.cec.wustl.edu (hilton.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.4]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02854 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bac1@localhost) by hilton.cec.wustl.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA13944; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:01:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:01:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian Curtis To: graham.travers@bt.com cc: April.Marine@nominum.com, ietf-weird@imc.org Subject: Re: WIERD In-Reply-To: <451D45016C2CD2119DA50000F8FE7F0705D8ECB1@mlngcbnt01.hc.bt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: remove from this list On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 graham.travers@bt.com wrote: |Guys, | |I didn't attend the Adelaide meeting, and there was no WEIRD meeting in |Pittsburgh, so I've lost sight of where we are. | |Before deciding to wrap up the WG, I'd like to see a review of what progress |has been made against the list of objectives that we brainstormed for the |WG. If they are all achieved, then termination may be the right option ( |although I tend to agree with comments that education is a continuing |process ); if not, shouldn't we address what remains to be done ? | |I would prefer such a review to take place on this list, as I find the USWG |meetings usually clash with something else that I have to cover ( hence my |ususal no-show ). | | |Regards, | |Graham Travers | |IP Standards Co-ordinator aexaCT |* Tel: +44 1359 235086 |* Mobile: 0780 8502536 |> * Fax: +44 1359 235087 |* HW B279, P.O. Box 200, London, N18 1ZF |* - Email: graham.travers@bt.com | | | | |> -----Original Message----- |> From: April Marine [SMTP:April.Marine@nominum.com] |> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 7:50 PM |> To: WEIRD WG |> Subject: San Diego |> |> So, what do y'all think about meeting in San Diego? |> |> At the last IETF, I asked for some feedback from USWG re whether they |> thought WEIRD should declare its experiment done and close down, or keep |> going. The consensus was that many thought WEIRD should keep going. Of |> course, WEIRD didn't meet last time, so it's not like actually asking the |> WG itself, so I thought I would ask you yourself. |> |> One thing that Chris and I have talked about is getting a co-chair. Is it |> worth conning, uh, drafting someone to assist our WEIRD leader (couldn't |> resist that one :-), or do you all feel the WG is a loss? |> |> Should we schedule a mtg in San Diego to regroup? |> |> Should we put "WEIRD status" on the USWG agenda? |> |> Anything we should consider that I haven't? |> |> Feedback welcome and requested! |> |> thanks, |> April |> |> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |> ---- |> April Marine |> Director of Client Services april.marine@nominum.com |> Nominum, Inc. +1.650.779.6006 | From owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 19 12:51:55 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA27230 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04131 for ietf-weird-bks; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marvin.axion.bt.co.uk (marvin.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.16.82]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04127 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:43:58 -0700 (PDT) From: graham.travers@bt.com Received: from chqlubnt02.lon.bt.com by marvin (local) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:23:37 +0100 Received: by chqlubnt02.lon.bt.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) id <4MC6BKZS>; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:23:34 +0100 Message-ID: <451D45016C2CD2119DA50000F8FE7F0705D8ECC1@mlngcbnt01.hc.bt.com> To: bac1@cec.wustl.edu, graham.travers@bt.com Cc: April.Marine@nominum.com, ietf-weird@imc.org Subject: RE: WIERD Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:23:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Brian, That's too cryptic for me. Can you respond in comprehensible English, please ? Regards, Graham Travers IP Standards Co-ordinator aexaCT * Tel: +44 1359 235086 * Mobile: 0780 8502536 > * Fax: +44 1359 235087 * HW B279, P.O. Box 200, London, N18 1ZF * - Email: graham.travers@bt.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Curtis [SMTP:bac1@cec.wustl.edu] > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 5:01 PM > To: graham.travers@bt.com > Cc: April.Marine@nominum.com; ietf-weird@imc.org > Subject: Re: WIERD > > > remove from this list > > On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 graham.travers@bt.com wrote: > > |Guys, > | > |I didn't attend the Adelaide meeting, and there was no WEIRD meeting in > |Pittsburgh, so I've lost sight of where we are. > | > |Before deciding to wrap up the WG, I'd like to see a review of what > progress > |has been made against the list of objectives that we brainstormed for the > |WG. If they are all achieved, then termination may be the right option ( > |although I tend to agree with comments that education is a continuing > |process ); if not, shouldn't we address what remains to be done ? > | > |I would prefer such a review to take place on this list, as I find the > USWG > |meetings usually clash with something else that I have to cover ( hence > my > |ususal no-show ). > | > | > |Regards, > | > |Graham Travers > | > |IP Standards Co-ordinator aexaCT > |* Tel: +44 1359 235086 > |* Mobile: 0780 8502536 > |> * Fax: +44 1359 235087 > |* HW B279, P.O. Box 200, London, N18 1ZF > |* - Email: graham.travers@bt.com > | > | > | > | > |> -----Original Message----- > |> From: April Marine [SMTP:April.Marine@nominum.com] > |> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 7:50 PM > |> To: WEIRD WG > |> Subject: San Diego > |> > |> So, what do y'all think about meeting in San Diego? > |> > |> At the last IETF, I asked for some feedback from USWG re whether they > |> thought WEIRD should declare its experiment done and close down, or > keep > |> going. The consensus was that many thought WEIRD should keep going. > Of > |> course, WEIRD didn't meet last time, so it's not like actually asking > the > |> WG itself, so I thought I would ask you yourself. > |> > |> One thing that Chris and I have talked about is getting a co-chair. Is > it > |> worth conning, uh, drafting someone to assist our WEIRD leader > (couldn't > |> resist that one :-), or do you all feel the WG is a loss? > |> > |> Should we schedule a mtg in San Diego to regroup? > |> > |> Should we put "WEIRD status" on the USWG agenda? > |> > |> Anything we should consider that I haven't? > |> > |> Feedback welcome and requested! > |> > |> thanks, > |> April > |> > |> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > |> ---- > |> April Marine > |> Director of Client Services > april.marine@nominum.com > |> Nominum, Inc. +1.650.779.6006 > | > > From owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 19 12:52:15 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA27315 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04096 for ietf-weird-bks; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.nominum.com (shell.nominum.com [204.152.187.59]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04092 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.nominum.com (shell.nominum.com [204.152.187.59]) by shell.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1AF3190D; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:47:56 -0700 (PDT) From: April Marine To: graham.travers@bt.com Cc: April.Marine@nominum.com, ietf-weird@imc.org Subject: Re: WIERD In-Reply-To: <451D45016C2CD2119DA50000F8FE7F0705D8ECB1@mlngcbnt01.hc.bt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Graham, Are you planning to be in San Diego? Would you be willing to co-chair the WG for that mtg, at which we should finalize the answers to the very good questions you raise and decide whether to fold or go forward? You seem to have a good grasp of what needs to be done and would be a good colleague with Chris, who knows the history. This wouldn't be a long-term commitment, but I'm wondering if you can help at this particular impasse? (Just as an aside, do you normally react better to whining or bribery as incentive to say yes to a request? :v) thanks! April On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 graham.travers@bt.com wrote: > Guys, > > I didn't attend the Adelaide meeting, and there was no WEIRD meeting in > Pittsburgh, so I've lost sight of where we are. > > Before deciding to wrap up the WG, I'd like to see a review of what progress > has been made against the list of objectives that we brainstormed for the > WG. If they are all achieved, then termination may be the right option ( > although I tend to agree with comments that education is a continuing > process ); if not, shouldn't we address what remains to be done ? > > I would prefer such a review to take place on this list, as I find the USWG > meetings usually clash with something else that I have to cover ( hence my > ususal no-show ). > > > Regards, > > Graham Travers > > IP Standards Co-ordinator aexaCT > * Tel: +44 1359 235086 > * Mobile: 0780 8502536 > > * Fax: +44 1359 235087 > * HW B279, P.O. Box 200, London, N18 1ZF > * - Email: graham.travers@bt.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: April Marine [SMTP:April.Marine@nominum.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 7:50 PM > > To: WEIRD WG > > Subject: San Diego > > > > So, what do y'all think about meeting in San Diego? > > > > At the last IETF, I asked for some feedback from USWG re whether they > > thought WEIRD should declare its experiment done and close down, or keep > > going. The consensus was that many thought WEIRD should keep going. Of > > course, WEIRD didn't meet last time, so it's not like actually asking the > > WG itself, so I thought I would ask you yourself. > > > > One thing that Chris and I have talked about is getting a co-chair. Is it > > worth conning, uh, drafting someone to assist our WEIRD leader (couldn't > > resist that one :-), or do you all feel the WG is a loss? > > > > Should we schedule a mtg in San Diego to regroup? > > > > Should we put "WEIRD status" on the USWG agenda? > > > > Anything we should consider that I haven't? > > > > Feedback welcome and requested! > > > > thanks, > > April > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > April Marine > > Director of Client Services april.marine@nominum.com > > Nominum, Inc. +1.650.779.6006 > From owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 19 13:23:58 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id NAA02546 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04725 for ietf-weird-bks; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marvin.axion.bt.co.uk (marvin.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.16.82]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04721 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:16:11 -0700 (PDT) From: graham.travers@bt.com Received: from cirwm3nt01.nor.bt.com by marvin (local) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:04:33 +0100 Received: by cirwm3nt01.nor.bt.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) id <41BM5HB5>; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:04:30 +0100 Message-ID: <451D45016C2CD2119DA50000F8FE7F0705D8ECC4@mlngcbnt01.hc.bt.com> To: April.Marine@nominum.com, graham.travers@bt.com Cc: ietf-weird@imc.org Subject: RE: WIERD Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:04:31 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: April, That's what I get for sticking my head above the parapet ! Bribery usually works better, but any sort of attention makes a pleasant change !! I will be in San Diego, but as you can see from my job title below, I'm not a free agent. Despite the fact that we all attend the IETF as individuals, my company has this WIERD idea that I should keep tabs on all the guys that I am paying to attend. And there are some meetings that I have to cover myself. If there is no clash with another of my scheduled sessions, I will attend the WIERD meeting, if there is one. However, I can't commit to anything else at present. I might have a better idea of exactly what I'm doing (that'll make a change), when the IETF agenda is published. Regards, Graham Travers IP Standards Co-ordinator aexaCT * Tel: +44 1359 235086 * Mobile: 0780 8502536 > * Fax: +44 1359 235087 * HW B279, P.O. Box 200, London, N18 1ZF * - Email: graham.travers@bt.com > -----Original Message----- > From: April Marine [SMTP:April.Marine@nominum.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 5:48 PM > To: graham.travers@bt.com > Cc: April.Marine@nominum.com; ietf-weird@imc.org > Subject: Re: WIERD > > Graham, > > Are you planning to be in San Diego? Would you be willing to co-chair the > WG for that mtg, at which we should finalize the answers to the very good > questions you raise and decide whether to fold or go forward? You seem to > have a good grasp of what needs to be done and would be a good colleague > with Chris, who knows the history. This wouldn't be a long-term > commitment, but I'm wondering if you can help at this particular impasse? > > (Just as an aside, do you normally react better to whining or bribery as > incentive to say yes to a request? :v) > > thanks! > April > > On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 graham.travers@bt.com wrote: > > > Guys, > > > > I didn't attend the Adelaide meeting, and there was no WEIRD meeting in > > Pittsburgh, so I've lost sight of where we are. > > > > Before deciding to wrap up the WG, I'd like to see a review of what > progress > > has been made against the list of objectives that we brainstormed for > the > > WG. If they are all achieved, then termination may be the right option > ( > > although I tend to agree with comments that education is a continuing > > process ); if not, shouldn't we address what remains to be done ? > > > > I would prefer such a review to take place on this list, as I find the > USWG > > meetings usually clash with something else that I have to cover ( hence > my > > ususal no-show ). > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Graham Travers > > > > IP Standards Co-ordinator aexaCT > > * Tel: +44 1359 235086 > > * Mobile: 0780 8502536 > > > * Fax: +44 1359 235087 > > * HW B279, P.O. Box 200, London, N18 1ZF > > * - Email: graham.travers@bt.com > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: April Marine [SMTP:April.Marine@nominum.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 7:50 PM > > > To: WEIRD WG > > > Subject: San Diego > > > > > > So, what do y'all think about meeting in San Diego? > > > > > > At the last IETF, I asked for some feedback from USWG re whether they > > > thought WEIRD should declare its experiment done and close down, or > keep > > > going. The consensus was that many thought WEIRD should keep going. > Of > > > course, WEIRD didn't meet last time, so it's not like actually asking > the > > > WG itself, so I thought I would ask you yourself. > > > > > > One thing that Chris and I have talked about is getting a co-chair. > Is it > > > worth conning, uh, drafting someone to assist our WEIRD leader > (couldn't > > > resist that one :-), or do you all feel the WG is a loss? > > > > > > Should we schedule a mtg in San Diego to regroup? > > > > > > Should we put "WEIRD status" on the USWG agenda? > > > > > > Anything we should consider that I haven't? > > > > > > Feedback welcome and requested! > > > > > > thanks, > > > April > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > > > April Marine > > > Director of Client Services > april.marine@nominum.com > > > Nominum, Inc. +1.650.779.6006 > > From owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 19 13:24:55 2000 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id NAA02685 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04754 for ietf-weird-bks; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.nominum.com (shell.nominum.com [204.152.187.59]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04750 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.nominum.com (shell.nominum.com [204.152.187.59]) by shell.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769E73190F; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:22:27 -0700 (PDT) From: April Marine To: graham.travers@bt.com Cc: April.Marine@nominum.com, ietf-weird@imc.org Subject: RE: WIERD In-Reply-To: <451D45016C2CD2119DA50000F8FE7F0705D8ECC4@mlngcbnt01.hc.bt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-weird@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Well, that's kinda why I asked. If you were willing to help chair, we would schedule it not to conflict with whatever you want to avoid. Or at least try to. I.e. we have the opportunity to affect the agenda now. :-) evilly yours, A. On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 graham.travers@bt.com wrote: > April, > > That's what I get for sticking my head above the parapet ! Bribery usually > works better, but any sort of attention makes a pleasant change !! > > I will be in San Diego, but as you can see from my job title below, I'm not > a free agent. Despite the fact that we all attend the IETF as individuals, > my company has this WIERD idea that I should keep tabs on all the guys that > I am paying to attend. And there are some meetings that I have to cover > myself. > > If there is no clash with another of my scheduled sessions, I will attend > the WIERD meeting, if there is one. However, I can't commit to anything > else at present. I might have a better idea of exactly what I'm doing > (that'll make a change), when the IETF agenda is published. > > Regards, > > Graham Travers > > IP Standards Co-ordinator aexaCT > * Tel: +44 1359 235086 > * Mobile: 0780 8502536 > > * Fax: +44 1359 235087 > * HW B279, P.O. Box 200, London, N18 1ZF > * - Email: graham.travers@bt.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: April Marine [SMTP:April.Marine@nominum.com] > > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 5:48 PM > > To: graham.travers@bt.com > > Cc: April.Marine@nominum.com; ietf-weird@imc.org > > Subject: Re: WIERD > > > > Graham, > > > > Are you planning to be in San Diego? Would you be willing to co-chair the > > WG for that mtg, at which we should finalize the answers to the very good > > questions you raise and decide whether to fold or go forward? You seem to > > have a good grasp of what needs to be done and would be a good colleague > > with Chris, who knows the history. This wouldn't be a long-term > > commitment, but I'm wondering if you can help at this particular impasse? > > > > (Just as an aside, do you normally react better to whining or bribery as > > incentive to say yes to a request? :v) > > > > thanks! > > April > > > > On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 graham.travers@bt.com wrote: > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > I didn't attend the Adelaide meeting, and there was no WEIRD meeting in > > > Pittsburgh, so I've lost sight of where we are. > > > > > > Before deciding to wrap up the WG, I'd like to see a review of what > > progress > > > has been made against the list of objectives that we brainstormed for > > the > > > WG. If they are all achieved, then termination may be the right option > > ( > > > although I tend to agree with comments that education is a continuing > > > process ); if not, shouldn't we address what remains to be done ? > > > > > > I would prefer such a review to take place on this list, as I find the > > USWG > > > meetings usually clash with something else that I have to cover ( hence > > my > > > ususal no-show ). > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Graham Travers > > > > > > IP Standards Co-ordinator aexaCT > > > * Tel: +44 1359 235086 > > > * Mobile: 0780 8502536 > > > > * Fax: +44 1359 235087 > > > * HW B279, P.O. Box 200, London, N18 1ZF > > > * - Email: graham.travers@bt.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: April Marine [SMTP:April.Marine@nominum.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 7:50 PM > > > > To: WEIRD WG > > > > Subject: San Diego > > > > > > > > So, what do y'all think about meeting in San Diego? > > > > > > > > At the last IETF, I asked for some feedback from USWG re whether they > > > > thought WEIRD should declare its experiment done and close down, or > > keep > > > > going. The consensus was that many thought WEIRD should keep going. > > Of > > > > course, WEIRD didn't meet last time, so it's not like actually asking > > the > > > > WG itself, so I thought I would ask you yourself. > > > > > > > > One thing that Chris and I have talked about is getting a co-chair. > > Is it > > > > worth conning, uh, drafting someone to assist our WEIRD leader > > (couldn't > > > > resist that one :-), or do you all feel the WG is a loss? > > > > > > > > Should we schedule a mtg in San Diego to regroup? > > > > > > > > Should we put "WEIRD status" on the USWG agenda? > > > > > > > > Anything we should consider that I haven't? > > > > > > > > Feedback welcome and requested! > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ---- > > > > April Marine > > > > Director of Client Services > > april.marine@nominum.com > > > > Nominum, Inc. +1.650.779.6006 > > > >