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[70.234.233.187]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f21sm15637060otq.4.2022.02.02.10.38.04 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Feb 2022 10:38:04 -0800 (PST) From: Mahesh Jethanandani Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DC662575-1E05-4212-A414-1713D0300911" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Message-Id: <0567AF8D-9EC1-4DF8-B5B8-66B967C59B2E@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 10:38:03 -0800 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org To: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Archived-At: Subject: [xml2rfc] Warning messages - How to address? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2022 18:38:19 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_DC662575-1E05-4212-A414-1713D0300911 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am seeing the following warning messages using the latest version of = xml2rfc (3.12.1). Do not know how to address them. Can anyone help? = Thanks. % xml2rfc draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-09.xml -o = draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-09.txt --text Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML. Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-other.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML. Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML. Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-other.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML. Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML. Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-other.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML. Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML. Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-other.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML. Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_DC662575-1E05-4212-A414-1713D0300911 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = am seeing the following warning messages using the latest version of = xml2rfc (3.12.1). Do not know how to address them. Can anyone help? = Thanks.

% xml2rfc draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-09.xml -o = draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-09.txt --text
Warning:= = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML.
Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-other.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML.
Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML.
Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-other.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML.
Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML.
Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-other.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML.
Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML.
Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-other.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML.

Mahesh = Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com






= --Apple-Mail=_DC662575-1E05-4212-A414-1713D0300911-- From nobody Wed Feb 2 11:15:31 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B9D3A1C8E; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:15:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Bz2HKIikCBX; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:15:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (ietfx.amsl.com [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CEB43A1C8B; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:15:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E935E4113627; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:15:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gnC6tG33zHih; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:15:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [158.140.230.105]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3EC8D4113625; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:15:19 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) From: Jay Daley In-Reply-To: <0567AF8D-9EC1-4DF8-B5B8-66B967C59B2E@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 08:15:15 +1300 Cc: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <0567AF8D-9EC1-4DF8-B5B8-66B967C59B2E@gmail.com> To: Mahesh Jethanandani X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] Warning messages - How to address? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2022 19:15:25 -0000 Hi Mahesh The tl;dr is that you do not need the DOCTYPE statement that includes a = .ent file. Read = https://authors.ietf.org/en/templates-and-schemas#character-entities for = a fuller explanation. Jay > On 3/02/2022, at 7:38 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani = wrote: >=20 > I am seeing the following warning messages using the latest version of = xml2rfc (3.12.1). Do not know how to address them. Can anyone help? = Thanks. >=20 > % xml2rfc draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-09.xml -o = draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-09.txt --text > Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML. > Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-other.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML. > Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML. > Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-other.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML. > Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML. > Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-other.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML. > Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML. > Warning: = /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-other.ent= is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters = has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in = RFCXML. >=20 > Mahesh Jethanandani > mjethanandani@gmail.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc-dev mailing list > xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc-dev --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director exec-director@ietf.org From nobody Wed Feb 2 23:32:22 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B293A20D9; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 23:32:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=eggert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WZVAr5AUlSd0; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 23:32:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.eggert.org (mail.eggert.org [91.190.195.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 181483A20D5; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 23:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:2a00:ac00:4000:400:54fa:be87:1e8d:ffae]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eggert.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 733C91D4113; Thu, 3 Feb 2022 09:31:55 +0200 (EET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=eggert.org; s=dkim; t=1643873515; bh=NRfCaRthGp5hq/tzvyyFmT/wLRFpqZUi6xgkvw9SjAo=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=xtigYYnzxnsy7Jxegq0Ien6Y3auc90qelU0S2edjD0gwzAtM8xVlX9iMibwHbHWaD Nz+ddSrUM6pfwpoWIzieTOOvlA+wGnhFkTmmhArm7lFHBXH9rstKPrY5mOYPnOSqm3 z1pp1TYlHCp606k5ttH2qpSHJmwyjib2hcDBMfJk= Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0050CE67-EC08-4E37-AEAD-A33A565DB5D0"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.60.0.1.1\)) From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 09:31:55 +0200 Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani , xml2rfc@ietf.org, xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org Message-Id: <3E165089-0560-435F-A1F7-38D24A4E5D65@eggert.org> References: <0567AF8D-9EC1-4DF8-B5B8-66B967C59B2E@gmail.com> To: Jay Daley X-MailScanner-ID: 733C91D4113.A1417 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: lars@eggert.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] Warning messages - How to address? 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I has been converted to .txt without any problems all the time, but now I get the following warning: Warning: /usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in RFCXML What is that can be removed? /Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert loa.pi.nu@gmail.com Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Sun Feb 6 09:55:24 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C483A0AEF for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2022 09:55:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Oe0ymQffV5a for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2022 09:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A67BA3A0ADF for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2022 09:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1nGlkm-000IR5-QX; Sun, 06 Feb 2022 17:55:12 +0000 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2022 09:55:12 -0800 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Loa Andersson Cc: "xml2rfc@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <2e176930-fa34-faa6-5930-375748dd0db4@pi.nu> References: <2e176930-fa34-faa6-5930-375748dd0db4@pi.nu> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] warning on the xml for a old draft X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2022 17:55:21 -0000 > Warning: > /usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent > is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters > has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in > RFCXML > > What is that can be removed? 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Yes, you can use non-ASCII characters (such as non-breaking-space) verbatim in the XML source (for instance encoded as UTF-8 or as " "). However, if you want to use the *named* entities (such as " "), you still need to declare them somehow. Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon Feb 7 01:27:50 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F57E3A09D0 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 01:27:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iedu_Uk5I_sz for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 01:27:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99DAF3A09C1 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 01:27:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089ad4f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.173.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Jsglw28qzzDCck; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 10:27:40 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <89d2b82c-309c-4359-c0f4-85316f4dc625@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 10:27:39 +0100 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 665918859.840507-b6aba890e1df84e6a342ee0d0967eb1f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8C468385-FDA2-42A7-A870-C325B3CB641E@tzi.org> References: <2e176930-fa34-faa6-5930-375748dd0db4@pi.nu> <89d2b82c-309c-4359-c0f4-85316f4dc625@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] warning on the xml for a old draft X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 09:27:49 -0000 On 2022-02-07, at 09:09, Julian Reschke wrote: >=20 > Am 06.02.2022 um 18:55 schrieb Randy Bush: >>> Warning: >>> = /usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent= >>> is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII = characters >>> has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in >>> RFCXML >>>=20 >>> What is that can be removed? >>=20 >> >=20 > Unless I'm missing something that is misleading. >=20 > Yes, you can use non-ASCII characters (such as non-breaking-space) > verbatim in the XML source (for instance encoded as UTF-8 or as > " "). However, if you want to use the *named* entities (such as > " "), you still need to declare them somehow. It seems we are now all supposed to use this standard preamble = (abbreviated from [1]): =20 ]> So with this standard preamble, we would have the five predefined XML = entities (< > & " &apos) plus the four above (I still don=E2=80= =99t know what makes exactly these four so special; a similar set are = called =E2=80=9CTypographic help characters=E2=80=9D in = rfc2629-xhtml.ent but include &br for U+2028). Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Feb 7 01:54:38 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833353A0C0D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 01:54:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.612 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.612 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.714, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SDmqc5O0bDpZ for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 01:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89E513A0C24 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 01:54:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1644227657; bh=QUF1Vx0ovsurIy0H0sd+Bz+gMCmlMcePaW6lB6slGN4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=jjXNup+B0O24s94CxENVXVzEpfnUZe7MNwGGXsGncUEKZgX5x47pBQZQaIuuI/Gjq 1moJUlVrCPrBNSWuRq+xpx4EZwGIo1wJ0ljoHYmt70y48tomGKVAfn2wchK9XraH+Y mEpPtTqrbhS6kboMjWBdVJCQj6zgZutQlxVGgrRY= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.179] ([91.61.56.83]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MD9XF-1nQ3HV3wYL-009747; Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:54:17 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 10:54:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.5.1 To: Carsten Bormann Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <2e176930-fa34-faa6-5930-375748dd0db4@pi.nu> <89d2b82c-309c-4359-c0f4-85316f4dc625@gmx.de> <8C468385-FDA2-42A7-A870-C325B3CB641E@tzi.org> From: Julian Reschke In-Reply-To: <8C468385-FDA2-42A7-A870-C325B3CB641E@tzi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:yCtyRI35URjz/LNtlerF3m8ZOF07bpbztvbfUzweCY3hL7b5xcd R1Vkj9WolheJWM67Ctbp0a9dVjoK3BMsN49DyiSVC6OOIxJ6FOLoC2AVdEbO9Lc/PgveimW 46xpGrvjOb056BsGuDvfPqBqCUc37h25IrTl2RaQbswpOyFdV7QLCcx6t8u9sLplv+JqayW aOYDkgvqS4WW30aiB/iqw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:h7QGoDGZBU4=:rNslvyfELiCfZ2LqENMLAe 8LJHLQ54rkPeEVsadUciwM5gAdA1lcOQViMnkd2xBMtiXfyucw/UqezD41K7+CsSOwUdioHXi frK8BAVAqjTgqL/OT5BpSmzl3rSGqtmm6Mq7KZUcX/JwgLaCQuT0zf16aMVvuNv45nkOhb1/+ kJE0v4DWrDGMW1hjoah5oEe3TR/pSlw9OnFET3ODp7aY+mQzqhIf7C1LyM66gs5nrVnpBQqp0 QJsl5kzGa91n9KaQDKuxz1rAhSrP57mejeobHKjngawGnQM6nT9jq4cdQBgj0J/rr0lFxd4Gh 0WNrUAEpTQeKVwEznMlIc16IDXzXxbDlJ26ooT6YsMiJsKZyAamEtLk3POWlAEtMYV7q+bvoI pMKtYTQC29+6BjKYF68I330lxxpq1iBpEXlZYMYzTsVaz9X4z6Aj/snW8FWb32O+YF0foSN92 KSTBltnmQfXtpsGwaMtQ0AMOvPLnrT3G7x3on0l5KOF9W5J52zVkuRiRW9vsZo4ePsRAgk0Y4 gWTjWF48eJfSG2aELSPPDPLRJMZM31wskuhnLslRddjqfaxqZk4+ysrBJnKEv2emMLun+Cog4 OI5t6WvSVCQRin8wLF/3ImppWD0oLiwyhNuowTiG8cqyKhfpORrIUlYvD75H/wF7C+iornW1p LjfdbpKTlubw0m6IIOdcByByio8OTKTtOVW8X90fRzc3Ji5sjJXKM427zxn1heJ7pBl/uvSCJ w1cmWCUaxgp0VmLjpqzo95YKvzfGL04zv4XXaBtFqPU2he6Pi8vMetAT1/e6U+uzcv9lCynMy G4dmpajcm7n1GaPTvX6mlNjoQC6aHNEf8YjoRPSnq+kKJJhcIUnx0o5uMrf6bW/Hp5Kr54LgD 98Noutcm1OP766vM2ZCReltOKLkfPdC5CtzsmC7zV8Y9e1Jh6I2BxPPsasTnTqOUt57iyYluY YFMdWmIM5+i2B56rWISkjDRNR135FVjDlHqyrO79UrHztGRXy4rsl3nidjHJYu3Skfq+IUIDn cJnKZGUGn5pudis9H0LUijjdtSTpJgHL2oSlIjeem2L4K6KSVrDyYLSo6NEYKSBohDPVOqiQW A4vQ+eBPbV1tFw= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] warning on the xml for a old draft X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 09:54:37 -0000 Am 07.02.2022 um 10:27 schrieb Carsten Bormann: > On 2022-02-07, at 09:09, Julian Reschke wrote: >> >> Am 06.02.2022 um 18:55 schrieb Randy Bush: >>>> Warning: >>>> /usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtm= l.ent >>>> is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII characters >>>> has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in >>>> RFCXML >>>> >>>> What is that can be removed? >>> >>> >> >> Unless I'm missing something that is misleading. >> >> Yes, you can use non-ASCII characters (such as non-breaking-space) >> verbatim in the XML source (for instance encoded as UTF-8 or as >> " "). However, if you want to use the *named* entities (such as >> " "), you still need to declare them somehow. > > It seems we are now all supposed to use this standard preamble (abbrevia= ted from [1]): > > > > > > > > > > ]> > > > So with this standard preamble, we would have the five predefined XML en= tities (< > & " &apos) plus the four above (I still don=E2=80= =99t know what makes exactly these four so special; a similar set are call= ed =E2=80=9CTypographic help characters=E2=80=9D in rfc2629-xhtml.ent but = include &br for U+2028). They are "special" in that they are actively used by the RFC Production Center. (FWIW I agree that we need more clarity about what non-ASCII characters are allowed, and how they are processed) Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon Feb 7 02:07:23 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4463A0BC7 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 02:07:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8KK4kg-SyUWd for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 02:07:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56C583A0C87 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 02:07:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089ad4f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.173.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4JshdP6ZvYzDCfn; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 11:07:05 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 11:07:05 +0100 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 665921225.538958-a63aa20d760c252e1de3ccef448c6455 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9B7A9952-F4C0-486A-A243-E8CD0303ED4A@tzi.org> References: <2e176930-fa34-faa6-5930-375748dd0db4@pi.nu> <89d2b82c-309c-4359-c0f4-85316f4dc625@gmx.de> <8C468385-FDA2-42A7-A870-C325B3CB641E@tzi.org> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] warning on the xml for a old draft X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:07:21 -0000 On 2022-02-07, at 10:54, Julian Reschke wrote: >=20 > (FWIW I agree that we need more clarity about what non-ASCII = characters > are allowed, and how they are processed) Well, the first one is well-defined in the source code for xml2rfc, in = unicode.py: def isascii(u): =E2=80=A6 for ch in [ '\u00a0', '\u200B', '\u2011', '\u2028', '\u2060', ]: =E2=80=A6 accept them as =E2=80=9CASCII=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6 With this commentary '\u00a0' # non-breaking whitespace '\u2060' # word joiner '\u200B' # zero-width space '\u2011' # non-breaking hyphen '\u2028' # line separator '\uE060' # word joiner (I don=E2=80=99t know how U+E060 gets in there as an alternative for = U+2060, nor do I understand the special role U+E060 seems to play in = xml2rfc source.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Feb 7 07:43:06 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5B43A0D36 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 07:42:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q6VXQuAH54sn for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 07:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from spark.crystalorb.net (spark.crystalorb.net [IPv6:2607:fca8:1530::c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 184D83A0D32 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 07:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.15.242] (c-71-233-150-209.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [71.233.150.209]) (authenticated bits=0) by spark.crystalorb.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4+deb7u1) with ESMTP id 217FgMMI007565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 7 Feb 2022 07:42:25 -0800 From: "David R. Oran" To: Carsten Bormann Cc: Julian Reschke , xml2rfc@ietf.org Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:42:22 -0500 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.14r5869) Message-ID: <5DEBCE16-7F1F-4B7F-9F9D-192D6BE41139@orandom.net> In-Reply-To: <8C468385-FDA2-42A7-A870-C325B3CB641E@tzi.org> References: <2e176930-fa34-faa6-5930-375748dd0db4@pi.nu> <89d2b82c-309c-4359-c0f4-85316f4dc625@gmx.de> <8C468385-FDA2-42A7-A870-C325B3CB641E@tzi.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] warning on the xml for a old draft X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 15:43:05 -0000 Is there a defined !ENTITY for an em-dash I can use, or are such good typ= ographic conventions not advisable for RFCs? ? On 7 Feb 2022, at 4:27, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 2022-02-07, at 09:09, Julian Reschke wrote: >> >> Am 06.02.2022 um 18:55 schrieb Randy Bush: >>>> Warning: >>>> /usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xht= ml.ent >>>> is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII character= s >>>> has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in >>>> RFCXML >>>> >>>> What is that can be removed? >>> >>> >> >> Unless I'm missing something that is misleading. >> >> Yes, you can use non-ASCII characters (such as non-breaking-space) >> verbatim in the XML source (for instance encoded as UTF-8 or as >> " "). However, if you want to use the *named* entities (such as >> " "), you still need to declare them somehow. > > It seems we are now all supposed to use this standard preamble (abbrevi= ated from [1]): > > > > > > > > > > ]> > > > So with this standard preamble, we would have the five predefined XML e= ntities (< > & " &apos) plus the four above (I still don=E2=80= =99t know what makes exactly these four so special; a similar set are cal= led =E2=80=9CTypographic help characters=E2=80=9D in rfc2629-xhtml.ent bu= t include &br for U+2028). > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc DaveO From nobody Mon Feb 7 07:59:05 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29C93A089B for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 07:59:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nYjl21X8hfyo for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 07:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E245F3A0889 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 07:58:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089ad4f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.173.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4JsrRM1R8VzDCd0; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:58:55 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <5DEBCE16-7F1F-4B7F-9F9D-192D6BE41139@orandom.net> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:58:54 +0100 Cc: Julian Reschke , xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 665942334.715301-4acc90b92854fdd719e0821a74b05b2f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <67173867-6842-4E50-A1FF-A3853E01AB63@tzi.org> References: <2e176930-fa34-faa6-5930-375748dd0db4@pi.nu> <89d2b82c-309c-4359-c0f4-85316f4dc625@gmx.de> <8C468385-FDA2-42A7-A870-C325B3CB641E@tzi.org> <5DEBCE16-7F1F-4B7F-9F9D-192D6BE41139@orandom.net> To: "David R. Oran" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] warning on the xml for a old draft X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 15:59:03 -0000 On 2022-02-07, at 16:42, David R. Oran wrote: >=20 > Is there a defined !ENTITY for an em-dash I can use, Not without rfc2629-xhtml.ent. I generally simply type the thing (SHIFT + OPTION + -). > or are such good typographic conventions not advisable for RFCs? They are advisable, but currently not allowed (current interpretation of = RFC 7997, which needs to be updated for the new decade that has recently = started). As long as that is the case, the usual pipeline kramdown-rfc =E2=9E=94 = xml2rfc will turn em-dashes into -- (and en-dashes into -, which is a = larger disaster). Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > ? >=20 > On 7 Feb 2022, at 4:27, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 >> On 2022-02-07, at 09:09, Julian Reschke = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Am 06.02.2022 um 18:55 schrieb Randy Bush: >>>>> Warning: >>>>> = /usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent= >>>>> is no longer needed as the special processing of non-ASCII = characters >>>>> has been superseded by direct support for non-ASCII characters in >>>>> RFCXML >>>>>=20 >>>>> What is that can be removed? >>>>=20 >>>> >>>=20 >>> Unless I'm missing something that is misleading. >>>=20 >>> Yes, you can use non-ASCII characters (such as non-breaking-space) >>> verbatim in the XML source (for instance encoded as UTF-8 or as >>> " "). However, if you want to use the *named* entities (such as >>> " "), you still need to declare them somehow. >>=20 >> It seems we are now all supposed to use this standard preamble = (abbreviated from [1]): >>=20 >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> ]> >> >>=20 >> So with this standard preamble, we would have the five predefined XML = entities (< > & " &apos) plus the four above (I still don=E2=80= =99t know what makes exactly these four so special; a similar set are = called =E2=80=9CTypographic help characters=E2=80=9D in = rfc2629-xhtml.ent but include &br for U+2028). >>=20 >> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> xml2rfc mailing list >> xml2rfc@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > DaveO From nobody Mon Feb 7 07:59:15 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBBD3A0BD9 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 07:59:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.613 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.613 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.714, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aQ6MAPLbw3HR for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 07:59:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 643323A0889 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 07:59:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1644249545; bh=55qoprRUGhSTGXPPiEHfOLov3XxNwXkNaf2UCP8AabU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=Cxt7ca2LT/RzyJT//FTRY+oKGwaGChjO9RchGaIXrAF2UDiOYTaiR/O6z9tGVpw+W 5VDF4PTA48NGX50EeIzlgS80tUbE4HGwKjYAygrnGoD53qOQNFS2qMoUPNzaIWI4ig AB8tMPROQjtjWcRJ9j5YvE1ybDnCmLxVWJVfpv3k= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.179] ([91.61.56.83]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mo6v3-1o6AlO0nb1-00pYvT for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2022 16:59:05 +0100 Message-ID: <5daf107a-b617-6a6e-25d2-f504b75560cd@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:59:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.5.1 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <2e176930-fa34-faa6-5930-375748dd0db4@pi.nu> <89d2b82c-309c-4359-c0f4-85316f4dc625@gmx.de> <8C468385-FDA2-42A7-A870-C325B3CB641E@tzi.org> <5DEBCE16-7F1F-4B7F-9F9D-192D6BE41139@orandom.net> From: Julian Reschke In-Reply-To: <5DEBCE16-7F1F-4B7F-9F9D-192D6BE41139@orandom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Ffi/4T6V93hOgA05qoRHsaaas1IhswxJxk1oUqL570ULi6WNB3P k6kIwjwxCB36fUBUyoRe8NhaAmJEjMrU2shLAF5Wf2x3NJxZk2fZmY8XqvU3nIrvQ5c75Iq w3JlzA+NXkHW+zGfCH9+3nb0+1w9jVVQ2n8uDguu8sz7sXwe0rbHfW7IqhTgc/JxUXiZGeP BWl6Tqb8ClLZI094AzeXA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:bpi9deI02pI=:uua0VGl7I9xA17N6qKUOOE cAPFIJsYskisGpizJXJOPFOYiOYqRoHaCPBpiO+OURSSs+Y0USFXXgW2d+t5Ogt9vsHVoxptk BbmvCp9fwfpVXYgUzCdPtJca5BLbWIuU2rLfG/FzpCIsILsQr9sl4B3lY2mzp6fcOK9KyxxK4 xhEIQprsYNX7/726wFd1YIZFQ6XcNIcXj51t9lEH8oUYRv6mtjaXWu5nxdLaTW8TBo4j7ZmnI zZ6IlrMtesGV+q51Hd5oD9SlHUShrmSzJVyw1zuhUX8Ex0STGR+VZYtlxFyLdXR1ftibqGRLX q/Ha8SgGZR21ouOydExs3deU2Zgb5yIgrQFGRsUR+sQH3WbB75WcquCySnQuEo+QDSyP7M5HJ aHZcsiENyJXCIYUf5DcAmFLEr1Jlhnh8E1VdRljlYyY8tVaPzv5SU2sB0xQkZ0300ndS89gse sMExHMA7HNFVYylKTUGrqNaoWZvNyFYyPKhSPPED/dwa6+rlIIBHZjmpinNKxB4OL5PyXurIx arFv+nh+LUvNjQePKdMGm82uOo49SsBEvt7R5OQOPc7MhOEVEKnTzbHA51+wtgPWwN/g3cjyQ Ka0nNsr4vEDExhi3aQ2u/YFozlNxK5Ki8P2HNw1isSSss5ysH7HiO6XftrNbRp0u8jUMg4nRK yk/ril/EFoOTWP1INLEwUh/9VHG8/RvLS3arELmvSo8z9bw7Fu7XmphpRqSwKsGzs6pQu2Buq 39vLTYeDgr1jAxp6yO5kLbBOqrXcYpIuAuUrWG6Sy00P3SiHc4wOLKsaZHPNtKmutykoU39XJ nI/+1oIYpk/JYii4YqSnfhcJSwzlE0OtwfPWRHMpLA3nx64t5tBEZNUQNBZAFdl3k6FXpx20h Ok5jXLt4X6EUo6gh/Gi7fJbV3LqgI7xfb9pHAt06MkkcBi4j2+55IO2Q2fBox5osc92u5br4w eybzJ9OCnPINjgjPe2ib8ZS1bMrq0jTVe8hpHp2GWJ6mtjFD0VXg0WXiwEHHs7WslP56uzV7h 9QwdYqQ+lJFQ3jwXxZmIUZlsgcgGLjv9PgH7XPYAfEvspD2ASnN274uxBGItlBx4XR2TqjpH9 CXgKZfH0ZHSdoc= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] warning on the xml for a old draft X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 15:59:14 -0000 Am 07.02.2022 um 16:42 schrieb David R. Oran: > Is there a defined !ENTITY for an em-dash I can use, or are such good typographic conventions not advisable for RFCs? > ? AFAIU, the RFC Production Center currently converts mdashes to "--" (sadly). Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon Feb 7 08:06:29 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925423A0910 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:06:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UFjYxQcShqs2 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:06:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from spark.crystalorb.net (spark.crystalorb.net [IPv6:2607:fca8:1530::c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 692563A089C for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:06:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.15.242] ([IPv6:2601:184:407f:80cf:95a5:18f7:3c3f:33da]) (authenticated bits=0) by spark.crystalorb.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4+deb7u1) with ESMTP id 217G667e008941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:06:08 -0800 From: "David R. Oran" To: Julian Reschke Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 11:06:01 -0500 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.14r5869) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5daf107a-b617-6a6e-25d2-f504b75560cd@gmx.de> References: <2e176930-fa34-faa6-5930-375748dd0db4@pi.nu> <89d2b82c-309c-4359-c0f4-85316f4dc625@gmx.de> <8C468385-FDA2-42A7-A870-C325B3CB641E@tzi.org> <5DEBCE16-7F1F-4B7F-9F9D-192D6BE41139@orandom.net> <5daf107a-b617-6a6e-25d2-f504b75560cd@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] warning on the xml for a old draft X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 16:06:28 -0000 On 7 Feb 2022, at 10:59, Julian Reschke wrote: > Am 07.02.2022 um 16:42 schrieb David R. Oran: >> Is there a defined !ENTITY for an em-dash I can use, or are such good = typographic conventions not advisable for RFCs? >> ? > > AFAIU, the RFC Production Center currently converts mdashes to "--" (sa= dly). > Sigh - thanks anyway for the quick responses. Those of us whipsawed betwe= en LaTex (with the complications of the ACM conference templates) and xml= 2rfc, just have to deal with the frequent cognitive overload. Now, if only bibdesk had built-in xml2rfc reference outputs=E2=80=A6 > Best regards, Julian > > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc DaveO From nobody Mon Feb 7 08:11:57 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DEA43A0D0F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:11:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DXnQHgwDNggu for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:11:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35E0D3A0D29 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:11:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089ad4f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.173.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Jsrjz2ZnCzDCd1; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 17:11:35 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 17:11:34 +0100 Cc: Julian Reschke , xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 665943094.698445-df034df26d5a18f69007b160b41502e3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2e176930-fa34-faa6-5930-375748dd0db4@pi.nu> <89d2b82c-309c-4359-c0f4-85316f4dc625@gmx.de> <8C468385-FDA2-42A7-A870-C325B3CB641E@tzi.org> <5DEBCE16-7F1F-4B7F-9F9D-192D6BE41139@orandom.net> <5daf107a-b617-6a6e-25d2-f504b75560cd@gmx.de> To: "David R. Oran" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] warning on the xml for a old draft X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 16:11:56 -0000 On 2022-02-07, at 17:06, David R. Oran wrote: >=20 > Now, if only bibdesk had built-in xml2rfc reference outputs=E2=80=A6 DOI references have made life much easier for me here. informative: FOO: DOI.10.1016/0169-7552(89)90019-6 NIST.SP.800-56a: DOI.10.6028/NIST.SP.800-56a NIST.SP.800-56Ar2: DOI.10.6028/NIST.SP.800-56Ar2 NIST.SP.800-56Ar3: DOI.10.6028/NIST.SP.800-56Ar3 But maybe adding something to bibdesk to generate the reference YAML = would not be a bad idea... 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Oran said: >Is there a defined !ENTITY for an em-dash I can use, or are such good typographic conventions not advisable for RFCs? I agree it would be nice to have better typography but we need to look at it in the overall context of what non-ASCII text we allow in RFCs, keeping in mind that whatever we do needs to render consistently a decade or two from now. R's, John From nobody Mon Feb 7 11:16:09 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8233A0BEE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 11:16:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HMMMcsZvmJUI for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 11:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (ietfx.amsl.com [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9E633A0C01 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 11:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F894113628; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 11:16:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9l5-HZ29dSQq; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 11:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [101.98.159.82]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7C2034113625; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 11:16:00 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) From: Jay Daley In-Reply-To: <67173867-6842-4E50-A1FF-A3853E01AB63@tzi.org> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:15:57 +1300 Cc: Julian Reschke , xml2rfc@ietf.org, Carsten Bormann Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9B28232E-44EB-49CF-847A-173963A7A1AF@ietf.org> References: <2e176930-fa34-faa6-5930-375748dd0db4@pi.nu> <89d2b82c-309c-4359-c0f4-85316f4dc625@gmx.de> <8C468385-FDA2-42A7-A870-C325B3CB641E@tzi.org> <5DEBCE16-7F1F-4B7F-9F9D-192D6BE41139@orandom.net> <67173867-6842-4E50-A1FF-A3853E01AB63@tzi.org> To: "David R. Oran" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] warning on the xml for a old draft X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 19:16:08 -0000 > On 8/02/2022, at 4:58 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > On 2022-02-07, at 16:42, David R. Oran wrote: >>=20 >> Is there a defined !ENTITY for an em-dash I can use, >=20 > Not without rfc2629-xhtml.ent. Not quite.=20 As https://authors.ietf.org/en/templates-and-schemas#character-entities = explains "If you wish to use additional character entities then the = recommended method is to add further inline definitions to this DOCTYPE = declaration" The old ent files are now preserved in the GitHub repository for = reference and this one = https://github.com/ietf-authors/legacy-templates-and-schemas/blob/main/rfc= 2629-xhtml.ent includes such things as em dash >>>>=20 >>>> Unless I'm missing something that is misleading. >>>>=20 >>>> Yes, you can use non-ASCII characters (such as non-breaking-space) >>>> verbatim in the XML source (for instance encoded as UTF-8 or as >>>> " "). However, if you want to use the *named* entities (such = as >>>> " "), you still need to declare them somehow. >>>=20 >>> It seems we are now all supposed to use this standard preamble = (abbreviated from [1]): >>>=20 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> ]> >>> >>>=20 >>> So with this standard preamble, we would have the five predefined = XML entities (< > & " &apos) plus the four above (I still = don=E2=80=99t know what makes exactly these four so special; a similar = set are called =E2=80=9CTypographic help characters=E2=80=9D in = rfc2629-xhtml.ent but include &br for U+2028). >>>=20 >>> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> xml2rfc mailing list >>> xml2rfc@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc >> DaveO >=20 > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director exec-director@ietf.org From nobody Mon Feb 7 11:23:33 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9AF3A0BF2; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 11:23:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P7SuJzxq1J0i; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 11:23:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E3403A0BF0; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 11:23:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (p5089ad4f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.173.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4JswzH2FGTzDCd0; Mon, 7 Feb 2022 20:23:23 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <9B28232E-44EB-49CF-847A-173963A7A1AF@ietf.org> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 20:23:19 +0100 Cc: "David R. Oran" , Julian Reschke , xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8EF0D073-2C55-4D0D-B6AB-E7C8A37E2BDF@tzi.org> References: <2e176930-fa34-faa6-5930-375748dd0db4@pi.nu> <89d2b82c-309c-4359-c0f4-85316f4dc625@gmx.de> <8C468385-FDA2-42A7-A870-C325B3CB641E@tzi.org> <5DEBCE16-7F1F-4B7F-9F9D-192D6BE41139@orandom.net> <67173867-6842-4E50-A1FF-A3853E01AB63@tzi.org> <9B28232E-44EB-49CF-847A-173963A7A1AF@ietf.org> To: Jay Daley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] warning on the xml for a old draft X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: XML2RFC discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 19:23:29 -0000 On 7. Feb 2022, at 20:15, Jay Daley wrote: >=20 > Though as others points out, em dash is not the best example here. Given that our manuscripts usually have a significant lifetime, = preparing them for the day this is fixed is prudent. Until then, xml2rfc has the regression to multihyphens built in :-) (But I would still type =E2=80=9C=E2=80=94" not — =E2=80=94 just = as I=E2=80=99d type Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe and not Grü&ssharp;e.) 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U+E060 is a code point in the private use area. It's totally inappropriate for xml2rfc, even in a comment. However it got in there, it be better taken out as quickly as possible. 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Feb 2022, at 20:15, Jay Daley wrote: >> >> Though as others points out, em dash is not the best example here. > > Given that our manuscripts usually have a significant lifetime, preparin= g them for the day this is fixed is prudent. > Until then, xml2rfc has the regression to multihyphens built in :-) > > (But I would still type =E2=80=9C=E2=80=94" not — =E2=80=94 just a= s I=E2=80=99d type Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe and not Grü&ssharp;e.) > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten A typo maybe? 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